Hi Seann - A friend and I and possibly a third person are planning a trip to Scotland this coming September, and plan to spend about three days on Islay. I am on the Islay list because my great-grandfather Donald Smith, who was a tailor on the Kinnabus estate on The Oa, emigrated to Canada in 1862. I don't know what our itinerary is yet, but if your cottage is available for 2-3 nights sometime during the first two weeks in September, we would love to know about it. Is it located in or near Bowmore? Do you have a website with pictures of it? What would be the cost for 2 or 3 nights? Please let me know! Thanks. Cory Smith in Coos Bay, Oregon, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "seann mhaighdean" <seannmhaighdean@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Holiday Cottages Bowmore > And whilst I am on this thing - how comes the Bowmore Distillery gets free > advertising on this list? > > Does this mean we can all advertise our own wee holiday cottages as well? > > Let me know if any of yous are interested in the real Islay experience. > > all the best to yous, > S.M. > > > > --------------------------------- > Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm > >

Hi again Ted, A flowerer was also someone (mainly rural ladies)who embroidered flowers onto muslin or cambric. I also found the term as in Boot/Shoe Flowerer......how strange and that was as late as 1900..........did people have flowers on their shoes! Ann

Hi Seann I don't remember who had the original post but I don't think it was meant specificially as an advert - at least I didn't take it that way. While it was off the topic of genealogy, I interpreted it as a 'heads up'. There are a number of people on the list who are related to people who owned/worked at Islay distilleries so the opportunity to stay in a cottage that they perhaps had lived in might be considered a special experience. The distilleries are very much intertwined with Islay's history. There have been requests from folks planning their first Islay visit who need to know about accommodations and we have shared our experiences - which is something quite different from advertising a personal property. Cheerio Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "seann mhaighdean" <seannmhaighdean@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Holiday Cottages Bowmore And whilst I am on this thing - how comes the Bowmore Distillery gets free advertising on this list? Does this mean we can all advertise our own wee holiday cottages as well? Let me know if any of yous are interested in the real Islay experience. all the best to yous, S.M. --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now. ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm

Thanks very much for the info on present day Dawsons.Do you have any idea as to how I might get contact details of any of them? An Email address would be fantastic or even if I could get them my email address so that they could contact me if they are willing? I will have a look for the book and see what I can find. Best reards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "seann mhaighdean" <seannmhaighdean@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Looking for info on DAWSONS of ISLAY > Dear Mr Pinder, > > There is an English family called Dawson living in Islay at the present. > > Mrs Jane Dawson lives at Lagmore House in Portnahaven and there are > others of the same family living at Easter Ellister. They have got horses > and llamas and a wee bird colony and all sorts. > > Mrs Dawson wrote a very interesting book about her life and how she came > to live in Islay with her late husband. Can't remember the name of it, but > it would maybe come up in Google. > > Maybe it's not the same Dawsons or maybe it is. > > All the best to you in finding out. > s.m. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos - NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a > photo. > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > FOR QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS MAILING LIST - HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE - HOW TO > CHANGE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, ETC, ETC...: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/maillist.htm > >

Hi List: In the 1851 census of Islay I found several young single women with an occupation that looked like 'Flowerer'. Can anyone shed some light on this or tell me what it is. The writing was not all that bad so I don't think I misread the entries. The age of the women seemed to range between 17 and 25. Ted Larson

And whilst I am on this thing - how comes the Bowmore Distillery gets free advertising on this list? Does this mean we can all advertise our own wee holiday cottages as well? Let me know if any of yous are interested in the real Islay experience. all the best to yous, S.M. --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now.

Dear Mr Pinder, There is an English family called Dawson living in Islay at the present. Mrs Jane Dawson lives at Lagmore House in Portnahaven and there are others of the same family living at Easter Ellister. They have got horses and llamas and a wee bird colony and all sorts. Mrs Dawson wrote a very interesting book about her life and how she came to live in Islay with her late husband. Can't remember the name of it, but it would maybe come up in Google. Maybe it's not the same Dawsons or maybe it is. All the best to you in finding out. s.m. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo.

Hi Paul, I have also been wondering why a long standing Yorkshire family would move to Islay. What did Herman do for a living in Yorkshire? Having been on Scotlands People the last few days, I took a look for Eric today and Johan is correct, it has to be him I also searched on the surname in Kildalton and remember seeing 1 Dawson who had died aged 88 years. Scotlands people has deaths up to 1955. I would think this is your only record you would get from here as all the others will be too new.........if you get my drift. I would write directly to the Parish Priest, (or all of them around Kildalton!) you will find most of them quite accomodating if you are prepared to wait for them to get back to you. As you know the dates of their deaths it will not be a case of them searching through years of records. I am about to go back on SP site so I will have a dig around for you and if I have enough credits I will pull off the Eric record. If you e-mail me direct aqtu56@dsl.pipex.com save clogging the list with chit chat, I will mail you any findings. Bye for now Ann (Wales)

I am researching John McKay who married Margaret Calder abt 1811 in Kildalton. Children were Janet - Martha - Flora - Dougald - Alex I have downloaded a death cert from S/people showing a John McKay who died Port Charlotte Kilchoman 10 Dec 1861. It describes him as a pauper and widower. Age 75. Parents Hugh McKay and Isabella Johnson. But no name of late wife. Informant was Donald Martin - grandson. Are any of you good people able to confirm this is - or indeed is not - my John McKay. Thanks, John Shaw

Paul, The 1954 death of Eric Dawson at Kildalton is available in Scotland's People. You may think it's not worth the £6.00, but you never know where it might lead. Regards Johan Lochridge Paul pinder <thepinders@tds.net> wrote: To Ann and also Dixie, Thanks very much for replying to my message.I have had a look at the Scotlands people site and I think that my Dawsons are going to be too recent to feature there. I think I am going to have to resort to records such as Memorial inscriptions,Newspaper archives,Telephone Directorys,etc. I was also hoping that someone on the list who lives in Islay may have remembered the family living there and so have some personal details/memories of them. Do either of you have any idea as to how I go about finding any of this type of information? Do you know what the local churches/cemetaries would be to Leorin , Kildalton ? Is there a local Newspaper that would have maybe carried an Obituary for the funerals? It puzzles me as to how the family ended up in Islay at all. The family is originally from Lancashire and Yorkshire and I have the family in census records from 1901 back to 1851 in these two countys.There is a family story that says that the Dawson's owened the land that was Compulsory Purchased for the building of the BBC Pebble Mill Studios in Birmingham and that the funds recieved from this sale financed the purchase of the farm in Islay.I have yet to find any evidence of this story but how do you end up going from Birmingham to Islay? If either of you know on anyone who is local to Islay and may have local more recent family history knowledge - I would love to get in contact with them. I currently live in Indianna USA although my home is in Mid Wales and so making a trip to Islay to "have a look" is not possible at the moment. Thanks again for the advice so far and I hope to hear from you again Best regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] FOR PAUL PNDER

Hi Pail, I was looking up for myself last night when i saw your mail to the islay List. As Dixie mentioned the Scotlands People site is excellent, and well worth spending a bit of dosh! However if you can narrow your search years down a little your money will not disappear so fast. Herman I would of thought in Scotland was not such a common name not like searching for a John or Donald! I had a quick look on a few free sites for England and Wales and saw your Herman born December 1882 in Todmorden Yorkshire. He is also on the 1901 census in Todmorden aged 18. His son Herman Foreshaw was also born in England in 1908 at Stockport, so that takes you a little further on from 1900. Ann (North Wales)

To Ann and also Dixie, Thanks very much for replying to my message.I have had a look at the Scotlands people site and I think that my Dawsons are going to be too recent to feature there. I think I am going to have to resort to records such as Memorial inscriptions,Newspaper archives,Telephone Directorys,etc. I was also hoping that someone on the list who lives in Islay may have remembered the family living there and so have some personal details/memories of them. Do either of you have any idea as to how I go about finding any of this type of information? Do you know what the local churches/cemetaries would be to Leorin , Kildalton ? Is there a local Newspaper that would have maybe carried an Obituary for the funerals? It puzzles me as to how the family ended up in Islay at all. The family is originally from Lancashire and Yorkshire and I have the family in census records from 1901 back to 1851 in these two countys.There is a family story that says that the Dawson's owened the land that was Compulsory Purchased for the building of the BBC Pebble Mill Studios in Birmingham and that the funds recieved from this sale financed the purchase of the farm in Islay.I have yet to find any evidence of this story but how do you end up going from Birmingham to Islay? If either of you know on anyone who is local to Islay and may have local more recent family history knowledge - I would love to get in contact with them. I currently live in Indianna USA although my home is in Mid Wales and so making a trip to Islay to "have a look" is not possible at the moment. Thanks again for the advice so far and I hope to hear from you again Best regards Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ann" <aqtu56@dsl.pipex.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] FOR PAUL PNDER > Hi Pail, > > > I was looking up for myself last night when i saw your mail to the islay > List. > > As Dixie mentioned the Scotlands People site is excellent, and well worth > spending a bit of dosh! However if you can narrow your search years down a > little your money will not disappear so fast. Herman I would of thought in > Scotland was not such a common name not like searching for a John or > Donald! > > I had a quick look on a few free sites for England and Wales and saw your > Herman born December 1882 in Todmorden Yorkshire. > > He is also on the 1901 census in Todmorden aged 18. His son Herman > Foreshaw > was also born in England in 1908 at Stockport, so that takes you a little > further on from 1900. > > Ann (North Wales) > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Find out who has books and research data pertaining to Islay at the > Virtual Library: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/library.htm > >

Sorry, meant to add the following: Port Charlotte - Image DSCN1890 ERECTED BY HIS WIDOW SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF ARCHIBALD MARTIN FEAUR PORT-CHARLOTTE WHO DIED 28th MAY 1875 AGED 58 YEARS CATHERINE CLARK OR MARTIN WHO DIED 12th JULY 1911, AGED 84 YEARS THEIR DAUGHTER MARGARET DIED 5th MAY 1948 AGED 86 YEARS -----Original Message----- From: John Shaw [mailto:shaw.family@clear.net.nz] Sent: 06 March 2006 07:14 To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] John McKay d port Charlotte 10 Dec 1861 I am researching John McKay who married Margaret Calder abt 1811 in Kildalton. Children were Janet - Martha - Flora - Dougald - Alex I have downloaded a death cert from S/people showing a John McKay who died Port Charlotte Kilchoman 10 Dec 1861. It describes him as a pauper and widower. Age 75. Parents Hugh McKay and Isabella Johnson. But no name of late wife. Informant was Donald Martin - grandson. Are any of you good people able to confirm this is - or indeed is not - my John McKay. Thanks, John Shaw ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/

Hi John Can't help you with the definitive connection, but below is what I have to date on that Port Charlotte family/link Iain Descendant Indented Chart Hugh MCKAY, b. circa 1752 at Kilchoman? +Isabella JOHNSTON, b. circa 1752 at Kilchoman?, m. circa 1776 at Kilchoman +-- John MCKAY, b. 1780 at Kilchoman?, d. 1861 at Port Charlotte, Kilchoman Parish L-- Ann MCKAY, b. circa 1785 at Kilchoman? +Donald MARTIN, b. circa 1785 at Kilchoman?, m. circa 1815 at Kilchoman? +-- Archibald MARTIN, b. 1817 at Kilchoman, d. 29 May 1875 at Port Charlotte, Kilchoman │ +Catherine CLARK, b. 1827 at Kilchoman Parish, m. circa 1843 at Kilchoman, d. 12 Jul 1911 at Port Charlotte, Kilchoman Parish │ +-- Mary MARTIN, b. 1847 at Kilchoman? │ │ +Allan GILLIES, b. 1843 at Kilchoman, m. 6 Jan 1870 at Kilchoman │ L-- Margaret MARTIN, b. 1862 at Port Charlotte, d. 5 May 1948 at Port Charlotte L-- Bell MARTIN, b. 1820 at Kilchoman?, d. 1861 at Kilchoman -----Original Message----- From: John Shaw [mailto:shaw.family@clear.net.nz] Sent: 06 March 2006 07:14 To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] John McKay d port Charlotte 10 Dec 1861 I am researching John McKay who married Margaret Calder abt 1811 in Kildalton. Children were Janet - Martha - Flora - Dougald - Alex I have downloaded a death cert from S/people showing a John McKay who died Port Charlotte Kilchoman 10 Dec 1861. It describes him as a pauper and widower. Age 75. Parents Hugh McKay and Isabella Johnson. But no name of late wife. Informant was Donald Martin - grandson. Are any of you good people able to confirm this is - or indeed is not - my John McKay. Thanks, John Shaw ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/

Hi John: The Donald Martin was probably born to Neil Martin and Isabella McKay in 1849. According to the birth records John and Margaret did not have a daughter Isabella. John and Margaret (Peggy) were listed in the 1841 census as being 65 and 60 years old and in the 1851 census as being 78 and 76 years old. There was another John McKay 20 Dec 1859 as reported by son Alexander. He was listed as being 88 years old. I think he is more likely your John. See HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ Ted Larson John Shaw wrote: >I am researching John McKay who married Margaret Calder abt 1811 in Kildalton. >Children were Janet - Martha - Flora - Dougald - Alex >I have downloaded a death cert from S/people showing a John McKay who died Port Charlotte Kilchoman 10 Dec 1861. It describes him as a pauper and widower. Age 75. Parents Hugh McKay and Isabella Johnson. But no name of late wife. Informant was Donald Martin - grandson. >Are any of you good people able to confirm this is - or indeed is not - my John McKay. >Thanks, > >John Shaw > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: >HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > > >. > > >

Hi Paul, Your Islay connections are much more recent than mine but welcome to the list -- one of the most helpful anywhere). I suspect some of our more expert members will be able to give you pointers but I can tell you that Scotland's records are among the best in the world. You can check the scotlandspeople web site to see if they contain some of what you may be looking for. I would think, if deaths occurred on Islay that, even if dates too recent for "public" access, you could get information from them as you are a family member. Best of luck Dixie Cutler > Hi, > My name is Paul Pinder and I am new to this list today.I am trying to find out > all I can about some ancestors of mine. > HERMAN DAWSON b1883 in Yorkshire and his wife ANNIE moved to ISLAY some time > between 1900 and 1950 (sorry I can't be more specific) I believe that they > lived at a farm called Leorin.I have found Leorin and it is I believe in > Kildalton NR355486. > Herman and Annie had to my Knowledge 3 boys - > 1) Percy who married Jane Jones and moved to Maesoglan , Ceidio , Caernarfon > and then Cannon farm , Llanerfyl before returning to Maesoglan to retire. > 2)Eric who died 14 Aug 1954 aged 34 and is believed to be buried in Islay > (Don't know where) > 3)Herman Forshaw Dawson (Known as Bill) who went with Percy to Cannon and died > 1 jan 1980 aged 71 and is buried in Llanerfyl. > > Herman (senior) died 23 Jan 1970 aged 88 and is either burried in Islay or > Ceidio and Annie died 27 April 1969 aged 86 and is buried in Islay. > > That is all the info I have. > All of my family history so far has been concerned with English and Welsh > records and I have no idea as to what is available for Scottish census , BMD > etc. > If anybody has any Knowledge of this family , knows where they may be burried > or can offer any advice as to how I might go about finding out more about them > , I would be extremely grateful. > Thanks in advance for any help or advice you may have to offer > Best regards > Paul > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > Here are some links related to the Isle of Islay: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/links.htm >

Hi, My name is Paul Pinder and I am new to this list today.I am trying to find out all I can about some ancestors of mine. HERMAN DAWSON b1883 in Yorkshire and his wife ANNIE moved to ISLAY some time between 1900 and 1950 (sorry I can't be more specific) I believe that they lived at a farm called Leorin.I have found Leorin and it is I believe in Kildalton NR355486. Herman and Annie had to my Knowledge 3 boys - 1) Percy who married Jane Jones and moved to Maesoglan , Ceidio , Caernarfon and then Cannon farm , Llanerfyl before returning to Maesoglan to retire. 2)Eric who died 14 Aug 1954 aged 34 and is believed to be buried in Islay (Don't know where) 3)Herman Forshaw Dawson (Known as Bill) who went with Percy to Cannon and died 1 jan 1980 aged 71 and is buried in Llanerfyl. Herman (senior) died 23 Jan 1970 aged 88 and is either burried in Islay or Ceidio and Annie died 27 April 1969 aged 86 and is buried in Islay. That is all the info I have. All of my family history so far has been concerned with English and Welsh records and I have no idea as to what is available for Scottish census , BMD etc. If anybody has any Knowledge of this family , knows where they may be burried or can offer any advice as to how I might go about finding out more about them , I would be extremely grateful. Thanks in advance for any help or advice you may have to offer Best regards Paul

to Alexander McNabb and Flora Currie. Anyone know what became of him? I ask because he is the nearest I can find to my 3g grandfather Malcolm McNabb who married Chirsty MacDonald at Duirinish on Skye 1847. I know little about him. He died 1857 in a Glasgow hospital. Death cert does not show parents but gives age as 52 ( an estimate I think). 1841 Freecen census is no help. Maybe I will get lucky when the 1851 census comes out on Scotlandspeople. JOHN SHAW 1 REDWING STREET BROWNS BAY AUCKLAND NZ.

Thought anyone planning a visit to Islay may be interested to know that Bowmore Distillery now has self catering cottages. Have a look http://www.bowmore.com/Cottages.aspx Johan Lochridge

Steve, can you explain how to read the crofts and farms data from the site below: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/rawdata/crofts.htm thanks Norma Callicott