ochoin, ochoin! As yous say; folk'll just come out with any old thing and pass it off as if that's the way it is. Flype? Flype ma socks? The Scots say it? Neffer effer in all my days have I heard of flyping socks or anything else. It chust shows you - beware of what people tell you. Check it and check it again for it might not be the flyping truth. s m celiageary <celia_geary@infogen.net.nz> wrote: I have been reading the latest listings and have this to offer. Ages:-people always tell lies about their ages, especially on official documents. One gr. grandmother got progressively younger for every child she had. She had 11 and her husband who was illiterate, always registered the births. When asked how old his wife was, he said '35' for the last child, but she was actually 45. I suppose it was embarrassing in those days to be still having chilren in your forties. Names:- People change their names for all sorts of reasons. One cousin I have changed her surname to that of her gr.grandmother after a marriage split as she didn't like any of the other family names. Another unmarried couple who both have unusual suAames which were likely to be the source of teasing for their children, have given them historical family surnames. My grandmother was born and registered as Mary Ann Brown McDougall in 1884(born to an Islay father) had her named changed at baptism to Margaret Jane but was always known as Maggie. A cousin always known as Janey in her youth, became Jean as an adult because Janey wasn't posh enough. All these people have been genealogical nightmares to trace. another snippet---'flype' is a word used by the Scots to describe putting a pair of socks together in a little bundle. I think it is a wonderful word and I've flyped all my socks. Celia. ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 8p a photo.

I have been reading the latest listings and have this to offer. Ages:-people always tell lies about their ages, especially on official documents. One gr. grandmother got progressively younger for every child she had. She had 11 and her husband who was illiterate, always registered the births. When asked how old his wife was, he said '35' for the last child, but she was actually 45. I suppose it was embarrassing in those days to be still having chilren in your forties. Names:- People change their names for all sorts of reasons. One cousin I have changed her surname to that of her gr.grandmother after a marriage split as she didn't like any of the other family names. Another unmarried couple who both have unusual suAames which were likely to be the source of teasing for their children, have given them historical family surnames. My grandmother was born and registered as Mary Ann Brown McDougall in 1884(born to an Islay father) had her named changed at baptism to Margaret Jane but was always known as Maggie. A cousin always known as Janey in her youth, became Jean as an adult because Janey wasn't posh enough. All these people have been genealogical nightmares to trace. another snippet---'flype' is a word used by the Scots to describe putting a pair of socks together in a little bundle. I think it is a wonderful word and I've flyped all my socks. Celia.

Dear Ted Thanks for your reply, and can I say thanks for all the lists and work you have done over the years. I have to admit it is several years since I have actively been engaged in following these lines and things blur somewhat. I sort of reached the bottom of the well and have been sitting waiting watching the list for various queries from related branches. Forgive me if I have got something wrong, I know there are some inconsistencies in my records (surname spelling and ages especially) and perhaps you can help, but this is what I have: Donald McEwing/McEwan and Janet Calder had a son. Archibald McEwing who married Catherine Campbell and who died in Jan 1875 in Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. He was listed on the death certificate as 69 = born ~1806 and his parents are also clearly listed on the death certificate and his married daughter was present at the death. His father was listed as a farmer. Archibald left Islay soon after his wife died in 1869 and went to stay close to his sons and daughters most of whom then resided near Paisley or Glasgow. I had a note of his birth as 15 Oct 1807 at Oa Islay, but this is from private correspondence not the public lists you have of births, as is also the birth date of his mother (not from a census which I misquoted). Archibald Donald's son was married in 1833 and was 33 years old and listed as a farmer in 1841 census living at upper Killeyan. Donald I presume his father is also on the rental lists in Upper Killeyan in 1828 and 1836 and was listed in the 1841 census as 66 as you note at Upper Killeyan. Donald and Janet had offspring in 1803, 1805, (1807), 1815, 1817, 1820, 1822 although the earlier births do not have their mothers name listed. A Donald McEwen and Janet Calder are listed as being married 30th Jan 1802 in Kildalton BOTP. It is pretty obvious that the Janet married to Donald can not be 45 years of age in 1841 (as listed on the census) she would have been ~6 when she married and 11 when she gave birth to her son. However, the Janet's age that was in the same household as Donald is very clear on the census records (I have a copy as well). I have been aware of this inconsistency, but just left it. The entry could be just wrong, or the Janet listed was not his wife, but that would be an unusual coincidence. There was ever only one Donald McEwen on Islay that was married to a Janet. I note his son Donald is listed with the correct age in the same household, but to my knowledge there is also no Margret McEwing born ~1837 either, nor a Janet McEwing born ~1831, but both are also listed in the same family on the census. Unfortunately the 1841 census does not have the relationship with the head of the family. A mystery, perhaps they are relatives? You are also correct that Donald and Janet don't appear in later censuses. The 1855 death record is almost certainly an error that I have corrected. This still leaves my same original question: is Janet Calder a relative of Margaret CALDER married to John MCKAY 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton? There were a number of female Kildalton Calders who married close to 1800 usually BOTP. Cheers John McEwan -----Original Message----- From: Ted Larson [mailto:tlarson@usfamily.net] Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 4:50 a.m. To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... Hi John: In the 1841 census I show Donald McEwan 66 and Janet 45 living at Upper Killean and in the 1851 census neither Donald or Janet appear anywhere on Islay. Also there is no death record in the 1855-1875 time period for either of them. This could not be the couple married in 1802. I went back and checked the original census record for 1841 and her 45 age is clearly written. Ted Larson KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, >mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > > >>Dear Jim >> >>I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in >>Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. She >>is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I >>don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married and >>that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. >> >>Cheers >> >>John McEwan >> >> > >John, > >Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if you >don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The 1855 >certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the questions >you listed above. > >Ken Harrison >North Vancouver, Canada > >Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... >HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) >POTCHIT Yorkshire >FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) >GREAVES Yorkshire > London >GRIFFIN Staffordshire >STANLEY Staffordshire >SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania >STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow >BAIN Caithness >MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa >SPENCE Orkney >FOTHERINGHAM Orkney >TRAILL Orkney >SELKRIG Lanark >WICKETSHAW Lanark >MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) >MORRISON Islay > Ontario >BAIRD Renfrew >HAM Australia (Vic) >THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire >AGGUS Suffolk >BRIGHTWELL Suffolk >LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario >McNABB Islay > Ontario >MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew >SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew >GILLESPIE Dumfries >HENDERSON Dumfries >TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark >CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew >GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario >Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. > >Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional >attachment on this e-mail transmission. > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/

And - more -- snippets: when searching the Scotlandpeople data base, their search feature will, in my nine cases, list the real recorded birth certificate name for the female, but then when one reads their accompanying marriage certificate, the girls almost always used a nick name or middle name in lieu of the first name, but rarely the birth certificate name. (The men didn't seem to make these same changes.) This tells me that there must be two different sets of documents in Scotlandpeople or perhaps the GRO? Don

OOOPS - I guess I already knew that but forgot! When I went into the tree to add it, it was already there. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Hutchinson" <mjhutch@bmts.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... Hi I have much the same dilemma ..Here is my experience for what it is worth ... Some people seem to forget their age ... If we were living then we might have done the same thing ... I found one ancestor who stayed 52 for 10 years 2 census .. I know it is the same person and he was more than 52 in the first census ... I have a woman who seem to have totally forgotten her age because she was older than her husband and she made herself 5 years younger in the first census and only aged 2 years to the next 10 years .... And as far as names are concerned ... people often began using their second name to favour someone and later on changed to their first name .... Others didn't like the name they were called and they changed it to something entirely different to suit their fancy .... or make it difficult for genealogists in years to come ... I have an ongoing problem with my name ... I was registered as Margaret Jane but no one knew me as either names .. because my parents called me Jean and everyone knows me as Jean , but the government insists on official documents I should be called Margaret .... Well who on earth is Margaret ?? I will be Margaret Jane in some census but in later ones I will be Jean .....I have given instructions that my tomb stone should be inscribe with Jean or no one will know who is buried with my husband .... Just apply that to your problem .... Jean mjhutch@bmts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McEwan" <mcewanj@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... > Dear Ted > > Thanks for your reply, and can I say thanks for all the lists and work > you have done over the years. > > I have to admit it is several years since I have actively been engaged > in following these lines and things blur somewhat. I sort of reached the > bottom of the well and have been sitting waiting watching the list for > various queries from related branches. > > Forgive me if I have got something wrong, I know there are some > inconsistencies in my records (surname spelling and ages especially) and > perhaps you can help, but this is what I have: Donald McEwing/McEwan and > Janet Calder had a son. Archibald McEwing who married Catherine Campbell > and who died in Jan 1875 in Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. He was listed on > the death certificate as 69 = born ~1806 and his parents are also > clearly listed on the death certificate and his married daughter was > present at the death. His father was listed as a farmer. Archibald left > Islay soon after his wife died in 1869 and went to stay close to his > sons and daughters most of whom then resided near Paisley or Glasgow. I > had a note of his birth as 15 Oct 1807 at Oa Islay, but this is from > private correspondence not the public lists you have of births, as is > also the birth date of his mother (not from a census which I misquoted). > Archibald Donald's son was married in 1833 and was 33 years old and > listed as a farmer in 1841 census living at upper Killeyan. Donald I > presume his father is also on the rental lists in Upper Killeyan in 1828 > and 1836 and was listed in the 1841 census as 66 as you note at Upper > Killeyan. Donald and Janet had offspring in 1803, 1805, (1807), 1815, > 1817, 1820, 1822 although the earlier births do not have their mothers > name listed. A Donald McEwen and Janet Calder are listed as being > married 30th Jan 1802 in Kildalton BOTP. It is pretty obvious that the > Janet married to Donald can not be 45 years of age in 1841 (as listed on > the census) she would have been ~6 when she married and 11 when she gave > birth to her son. However, the Janet's age that was in the same > household as Donald is very clear on the census records (I have a copy > as well). > > I have been aware of this inconsistency, but just left it. The entry > could be just wrong, or the Janet listed was not his wife, but that > would be an unusual coincidence. There was ever only one Donald McEwen > on Islay that was married to a Janet. I note his son Donald is listed > with the correct age in the same household, but to my knowledge there is > also no Margret McEwing born ~1837 either, nor a Janet McEwing born > ~1831, but both are also listed in the same family on the census. > Unfortunately the 1841 census does not have the relationship with the > head of the family. A mystery, perhaps they are relatives? You are also > correct that Donald and Janet don't appear in later censuses. The 1855 > death record is almost certainly an error that I have corrected. > > This still leaves my same original question: is Janet Calder a relative > of Margaret CALDER married to John MCKAY 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton? There > were a number of female Kildalton Calders who married close to 1800 > usually BOTP. > > Cheers > > John McEwan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Larson [mailto:tlarson@usfamily.net] > Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 4:50 a.m. > To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 > Parents Dugald ... > > Hi John: > In the 1841 census I show Donald McEwan 66 and Janet 45 living at Upper > Killean and in the 1851 census neither Donald or Janet appear anywhere > on Islay. Also there is no death record in the 1855-1875 time period > for either of them. This could not be the couple married in 1802. I > went back and checked the original census record for 1841 and her 45 age > > is clearly written. > Ted Larson > > KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > > > > > >>Dear Jim > >> > >>I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in > >>Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. > She > >>is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I > >>don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married > and > >>that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. > >> > >>Cheers > >> > >>John McEwan > >> > >> > > > >John, > > > >Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if > you > >don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The > 1855 > >certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the > questions > >you listed above. > > > >Ken Harrison > >North Vancouver, Canada > > > >Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... > >HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >POTCHIT Yorkshire > >FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >GREAVES Yorkshire > London > >GRIFFIN Staffordshire > >STANLEY Staffordshire > >SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania > >STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow > >BAIN Caithness > >MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa > >SPENCE Orkney > >FOTHERINGHAM Orkney > >TRAILL Orkney > >SELKRIG Lanark > >WICKETSHAW Lanark > >MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) > >MORRISON Islay > Ontario > >BAIRD Renfrew > >HAM Australia (Vic) > >THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire > >AGGUS Suffolk > >BRIGHTWELL Suffolk > >LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario > >McNABB Islay > Ontario > >MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew > >SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew > >GILLESPIE Dumfries > >HENDERSON Dumfries > >TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark > >CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew > >GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario > >Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. > > > >Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no > intentional > >attachment on this e-mail transmission. > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 > visit: > HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm

OK MJ - have added all the other names to the family tree with "Jean" noted. Hugs Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Hutchinson" <mjhutch@bmts.com> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... Hi I have much the same dilemma ..Here is my experience for what it is worth ... Some people seem to forget their age ... If we were living then we might have done the same thing ... I found one ancestor who stayed 52 for 10 years 2 census .. I know it is the same person and he was more than 52 in the first census ... I have a woman who seem to have totally forgotten her age because she was older than her husband and she made herself 5 years younger in the first census and only aged 2 years to the next 10 years .... And as far as names are concerned ... people often began using their second name to favour someone and later on changed to their first name .... Others didn't like the name they were called and they changed it to something entirely different to suit their fancy .... or make it difficult for genealogists in years to come ... I have an ongoing problem with my name ... I was registered as Margaret Jane but no one knew me as either names .. because my parents called me Jean and everyone knows me as Jean , but the government insists on official documents I should be called Margaret .... Well who on earth is Margaret ?? I will be Margaret Jane in some census but in later ones I will be Jean .....I have given instructions that my tomb stone should be inscribe with Jean or no one will know who is buried with my husband .... Just apply that to your problem .... Jean mjhutch@bmts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McEwan" <mcewanj@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... > Dear Ted > > Thanks for your reply, and can I say thanks for all the lists and work > you have done over the years. > > I have to admit it is several years since I have actively been engaged > in following these lines and things blur somewhat. I sort of reached the > bottom of the well and have been sitting waiting watching the list for > various queries from related branches. > > Forgive me if I have got something wrong, I know there are some > inconsistencies in my records (surname spelling and ages especially) and > perhaps you can help, but this is what I have: Donald McEwing/McEwan and > Janet Calder had a son. Archibald McEwing who married Catherine Campbell > and who died in Jan 1875 in Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. He was listed on > the death certificate as 69 = born ~1806 and his parents are also > clearly listed on the death certificate and his married daughter was > present at the death. His father was listed as a farmer. Archibald left > Islay soon after his wife died in 1869 and went to stay close to his > sons and daughters most of whom then resided near Paisley or Glasgow. I > had a note of his birth as 15 Oct 1807 at Oa Islay, but this is from > private correspondence not the public lists you have of births, as is > also the birth date of his mother (not from a census which I misquoted). > Archibald Donald's son was married in 1833 and was 33 years old and > listed as a farmer in 1841 census living at upper Killeyan. Donald I > presume his father is also on the rental lists in Upper Killeyan in 1828 > and 1836 and was listed in the 1841 census as 66 as you note at Upper > Killeyan. Donald and Janet had offspring in 1803, 1805, (1807), 1815, > 1817, 1820, 1822 although the earlier births do not have their mothers > name listed. A Donald McEwen and Janet Calder are listed as being > married 30th Jan 1802 in Kildalton BOTP. It is pretty obvious that the > Janet married to Donald can not be 45 years of age in 1841 (as listed on > the census) she would have been ~6 when she married and 11 when she gave > birth to her son. However, the Janet's age that was in the same > household as Donald is very clear on the census records (I have a copy > as well). > > I have been aware of this inconsistency, but just left it. The entry > could be just wrong, or the Janet listed was not his wife, but that > would be an unusual coincidence. There was ever only one Donald McEwen > on Islay that was married to a Janet. I note his son Donald is listed > with the correct age in the same household, but to my knowledge there is > also no Margret McEwing born ~1837 either, nor a Janet McEwing born > ~1831, but both are also listed in the same family on the census. > Unfortunately the 1841 census does not have the relationship with the > head of the family. A mystery, perhaps they are relatives? You are also > correct that Donald and Janet don't appear in later censuses. The 1855 > death record is almost certainly an error that I have corrected. > > This still leaves my same original question: is Janet Calder a relative > of Margaret CALDER married to John MCKAY 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton? There > were a number of female Kildalton Calders who married close to 1800 > usually BOTP. > > Cheers > > John McEwan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Larson [mailto:tlarson@usfamily.net] > Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 4:50 a.m. > To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 > Parents Dugald ... > > Hi John: > In the 1841 census I show Donald McEwan 66 and Janet 45 living at Upper > Killean and in the 1851 census neither Donald or Janet appear anywhere > on Islay. Also there is no death record in the 1855-1875 time period > for either of them. This could not be the couple married in 1802. I > went back and checked the original census record for 1841 and her 45 age > > is clearly written. > Ted Larson > > KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > > > > > >>Dear Jim > >> > >>I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in > >>Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. > She > >>is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I > >>don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married > and > >>that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. > >> > >>Cheers > >> > >>John McEwan > >> > >> > > > >John, > > > >Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if > you > >don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The > 1855 > >certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the > questions > >you listed above. > > > >Ken Harrison > >North Vancouver, Canada > > > >Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... > >HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >POTCHIT Yorkshire > >FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >GREAVES Yorkshire > London > >GRIFFIN Staffordshire > >STANLEY Staffordshire > >SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania > >STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow > >BAIN Caithness > >MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa > >SPENCE Orkney > >FOTHERINGHAM Orkney > >TRAILL Orkney > >SELKRIG Lanark > >WICKETSHAW Lanark > >MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) > >MORRISON Islay > Ontario > >BAIRD Renfrew > >HAM Australia (Vic) > >THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire > >AGGUS Suffolk > >BRIGHTWELL Suffolk > >LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario > >McNABB Islay > Ontario > >MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew > >SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew > >GILLESPIE Dumfries > >HENDERSON Dumfries > >TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark > >CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew > >GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario > >Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. > > > >Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no > intentional > >attachment on this e-mail transmission. > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 > visit: > HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm

Hi I have much the same dilemma ..Here is my experience for what it is worth ... Some people seem to forget their age ... If we were living then we might have done the same thing ... I found one ancestor who stayed 52 for 10 years 2 census .. I know it is the same person and he was more than 52 in the first census ... I have a woman who seem to have totally forgotten her age because she was older than her husband and she made herself 5 years younger in the first census and only aged 2 years to the next 10 years .... And as far as names are concerned ... people often began using their second name to favour someone and later on changed to their first name .... Others didn't like the name they were called and they changed it to something entirely different to suit their fancy .... or make it difficult for genealogists in years to come ... I have an ongoing problem with my name ... I was registered as Margaret Jane but no one knew me as either names .. because my parents called me Jean and everyone knows me as Jean , but the government insists on official documents I should be called Margaret .... Well who on earth is Margaret ?? I will be Margaret Jane in some census but in later ones I will be Jean .....I have given instructions that my tomb stone should be inscribe with Jean or no one will know who is buried with my husband .... Just apply that to your problem .... Jean mjhutch@bmts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McEwan" <mcewanj@xtra.co.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: RE: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald ... > Dear Ted > > Thanks for your reply, and can I say thanks for all the lists and work > you have done over the years. > > I have to admit it is several years since I have actively been engaged > in following these lines and things blur somewhat. I sort of reached the > bottom of the well and have been sitting waiting watching the list for > various queries from related branches. > > Forgive me if I have got something wrong, I know there are some > inconsistencies in my records (surname spelling and ages especially) and > perhaps you can help, but this is what I have: Donald McEwing/McEwan and > Janet Calder had a son. Archibald McEwing who married Catherine Campbell > and who died in Jan 1875 in Kilbarchan, Renfrewshire. He was listed on > the death certificate as 69 = born ~1806 and his parents are also > clearly listed on the death certificate and his married daughter was > present at the death. His father was listed as a farmer. Archibald left > Islay soon after his wife died in 1869 and went to stay close to his > sons and daughters most of whom then resided near Paisley or Glasgow. I > had a note of his birth as 15 Oct 1807 at Oa Islay, but this is from > private correspondence not the public lists you have of births, as is > also the birth date of his mother (not from a census which I misquoted). > Archibald Donald's son was married in 1833 and was 33 years old and > listed as a farmer in 1841 census living at upper Killeyan. Donald I > presume his father is also on the rental lists in Upper Killeyan in 1828 > and 1836 and was listed in the 1841 census as 66 as you note at Upper > Killeyan. Donald and Janet had offspring in 1803, 1805, (1807), 1815, > 1817, 1820, 1822 although the earlier births do not have their mothers > name listed. A Donald McEwen and Janet Calder are listed as being > married 30th Jan 1802 in Kildalton BOTP. It is pretty obvious that the > Janet married to Donald can not be 45 years of age in 1841 (as listed on > the census) she would have been ~6 when she married and 11 when she gave > birth to her son. However, the Janet's age that was in the same > household as Donald is very clear on the census records (I have a copy > as well). > > I have been aware of this inconsistency, but just left it. The entry > could be just wrong, or the Janet listed was not his wife, but that > would be an unusual coincidence. There was ever only one Donald McEwen > on Islay that was married to a Janet. I note his son Donald is listed > with the correct age in the same household, but to my knowledge there is > also no Margret McEwing born ~1837 either, nor a Janet McEwing born > ~1831, but both are also listed in the same family on the census. > Unfortunately the 1841 census does not have the relationship with the > head of the family. A mystery, perhaps they are relatives? You are also > correct that Donald and Janet don't appear in later censuses. The 1855 > death record is almost certainly an error that I have corrected. > > This still leaves my same original question: is Janet Calder a relative > of Margaret CALDER married to John MCKAY 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton? There > were a number of female Kildalton Calders who married close to 1800 > usually BOTP. > > Cheers > > John McEwan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Larson [mailto:tlarson@usfamily.net] > Sent: Friday, 7 April 2006 4:50 a.m. > To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 > Parents Dugald ... > > Hi John: > In the 1841 census I show Donald McEwan 66 and Janet 45 living at Upper > Killean and in the 1851 census neither Donald or Janet appear anywhere > on Islay. Also there is no death record in the 1855-1875 time period > for either of them. This could not be the couple married in 1802. I > went back and checked the original census record for 1841 and her 45 age > > is clearly written. > Ted Larson > > KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: > > >In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, > >mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > > > > > >>Dear Jim > >> > >>I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in > >>Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. > She > >>is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I > >>don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married > and > >>that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. > >> > >>Cheers > >> > >>John McEwan > >> > >> > > > >John, > > > >Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if > you > >don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The > 1855 > >certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the > questions > >you listed above. > > > >Ken Harrison > >North Vancouver, Canada > > > >Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... > >HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >POTCHIT Yorkshire > >FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) > >GREAVES Yorkshire > London > >GRIFFIN Staffordshire > >STANLEY Staffordshire > >SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania > >STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow > >BAIN Caithness > >MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa > >SPENCE Orkney > >FOTHERINGHAM Orkney > >TRAILL Orkney > >SELKRIG Lanark > >WICKETSHAW Lanark > >MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) > >MORRISON Islay > Ontario > >BAIRD Renfrew > >HAM Australia (Vic) > >THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire > >AGGUS Suffolk > >BRIGHTWELL Suffolk > >LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario > >McNABB Islay > Ontario > >MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew > >SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew > >GILLESPIE Dumfries > >HENDERSON Dumfries > >TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark > >CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew > >GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario > >Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. > > > >Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no > intentional > >attachment on this e-mail transmission. > > > > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 > visit: > HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > >

Dear Jim I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. She is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married and that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. Cheers John McEwan -----Original Message----- From: Jim Baird [mailto:jbaird@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 6 April 2006 1:27 a.m. To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Re: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald MacKay/Marion McCuaig Hi John, Welcome to the family! Flora LOGAN, m.s. MCKAY, was my 2g.grandmother. I am descended from her youngest daughter Margaret (Peggy) LOGAN. I have Flora MCKAY christened at Ardimersay, Kildalton 25 May 1813, IGI Batch C115412, OPR Film 1041079. Her parents were John MCKAY (1771-1859), married Margaret CALDER (1773-1867) on 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton. (I can take both of those back one more generation). I'll be very happy to exchange information with you if you'd like to get in touch offline. I was raised and educated on Islay, so I may be able to help with local geography. All the best Jim Baird Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shaw" <shaw.family@clear.net.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald MacKay/Marion McCuaig >I have just obtained a copy death cert given the above for Flora who was my >3g grannie. She was married to Duncan Logan (1811-1879). She died Port >Ellen aged 87. Informant was her son Donald ( then aged 52). I can accept >that Donald would well know his grandparents names. > My problem now is I cannot get her date of birth or details of parents' > wedding or any further data on parents such as their birth dates or > parents. IGI and Scotlandspeople produced nothing although Ted's site > shows Dugald and Marion had several other children. > Can any of you Logan/MacKay/McCuaig researchers help?? > This has been another hard lesson for me. Till now I had made some logical > and seemingly well founded assumptions which were ultimately proved wrong > when I got this one primary source document. > > JOHN SHAW > AUCKLAND NZ. > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== Click on this link for some wonderful stories, and general information about Islay: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/misc.htm

Hello everyone I am working on my father's family tree (in very early stages) and came across your mailgroup, so thought I'd post a message ... I am a granddaughter of Flora Johnston, born on 19 March 1908 at Kintraw, Oa. Flora died in 1963 and sadly I never knew her. I have her birth certificate, so know she was the daughter of Marion Ferguson (domestic servant) and John Johnston (farm servant) and was one of five children. Flora left Islay and became a nurse, and by the time she was married in 1936, her father's profession is listed as "distillery maltman" on the marriage certificate. Can anyone get me started with info about Flora's parents and about her brothers and sisters: Robert, Sarah, Mary and Janet. I believe that Robert (Bob) emigrated to Canada. I am not sure if any of the others - who would be my great uncles and aunts - are still alive or have family. Do hope some of you may be able to help get me started! Kind regards Ali Abington

Hi John: In the 1841 census I show Donald McEwan 66 and Janet 45 living at Upper Killean and in the 1851 census neither Donald or Janet appear anywhere on Islay. Also there is no death record in the 1855-1875 time period for either of them. This could not be the couple married in 1802. I went back and checked the original census record for 1841 and her 45 age is clearly written. Ted Larson KenHarrison11@cs.com wrote: >In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, >mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > > >>Dear Jim >> >>I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in >>Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. She >>is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I >>don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married and >>that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. >> >>Cheers >> >>John McEwan >> >> > >John, > >Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if you >don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The 1855 >certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the questions >you listed above. > >Ken Harrison >North Vancouver, Canada > >Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... >HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) >POTCHIT Yorkshire >FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) >GREAVES Yorkshire > London >GRIFFIN Staffordshire >STANLEY Staffordshire >SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania >STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow >BAIN Caithness >MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa >SPENCE Orkney >FOTHERINGHAM Orkney >TRAILL Orkney >SELKRIG Lanark >WICKETSHAW Lanark >MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) >MORRISON Islay > Ontario >BAIRD Renfrew >HAM Australia (Vic) >THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire >AGGUS Suffolk >BRIGHTWELL Suffolk >LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario >McNABB Islay > Ontario >MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew >SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew >GILLESPIE Dumfries >HENDERSON Dumfries >TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark >CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew >GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario >Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. > >Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional >attachment on this e-mail transmission. > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To visit the website associated with this project, visit: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > > >

In a message dated 06/04/2006 2:35:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, mcewanj@xtra.co.nz writes: > Dear Jim > > I have a Janet Calder marrying a Donald McEwing on 30 Jan 1802 in > Kildalton. She was born ~1786 based on census records and died 1855. She > is not a sister or relation by any chance? She is my ggggrandmother. I > don't have her parents and I only know for certain they were married and > that from her census she may have been in Upper Killeyan on the Oa. > > Cheers > > John McEwan John, Please excuse my "butting in". I know nothing about this group, but if you don't already have it you really should get her death certificate. The 1855 certificates are a goldmine of information and it may answer all the questions you listed above. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Only a genealogist regards a step backwards as PROGRESS ... HARRISON Yorkshire > Staffordshire > London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GREAVES Yorkshire > London GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark > Orkney > Glasgow > Canada + Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire > Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness > Swaziland + S. Africa SPENCE Orkney FOTHERINGHAM Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire > Dumbarton > Glasgow > Australia (Vic) MORRISON Islay > Ontario BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk > Yorkshire AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannanshire > Ontario McNABB Islay > Ontario MURRAY Dumfries > Renfrew SINCLAIR Perthshire > Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries + Lanark CALDWELL Tyrone > Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone > Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Hi John, Welcome to the family! Flora LOGAN, m.s. MCKAY, was my 2g.grandmother. I am descended from her youngest daughter Margaret (Peggy) LOGAN. I have Flora MCKAY christened at Ardimersay, Kildalton 25 May 1813, IGI Batch C115412, OPR Film 1041079. Her parents were John MCKAY (1771-1859), married Margaret CALDER (1773-1867) on 12 Apr 1801 at Kildalton. (I can take both of those back one more generation). I'll be very happy to exchange information with you if you'd like to get in touch offline. I was raised and educated on Islay, so I may be able to help with local geography. All the best Jim Baird Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shaw" <shaw.family@clear.net.nz> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: Flora Logan m.s. Mackay died 23 Apr 1904 Parents Dugald MacKay/Marion McCuaig >I have just obtained a copy death cert given the above for Flora who was my >3g grannie. She was married to Duncan Logan (1811-1879). She died Port >Ellen aged 87. Informant was her son Donald ( then aged 52). I can accept >that Donald would well know his grandparents names. > My problem now is I cannot get her date of birth or details of parents' > wedding or any further data on parents such as their birth dates or > parents. IGI and Scotlandspeople produced nothing although Ted's site > shows Dugald and Marion had several other children. > Can any of you Logan/MacKay/McCuaig researchers help?? > This has been another hard lesson for me. Till now I had made some logical > and seemingly well founded assumptions which were ultimately proved wrong > when I got this one primary source document. > > JOHN SHAW > AUCKLAND NZ. >

Hi Ted, Having looked at some few thousand of these now, I agree that distinguishing between H and K in the 1841 Census can be very difficult. If you'd like another opinion on this one, I'd be happy to oblige. All the best Jim Baird FreeCEN Coordinator for Renfrewshire renfrewcensus@hotmail.com www.freewebs.com/renfrewcensus YOU can make a difference! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Larson" <tlarson@usfamily.net> To: <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Unusual Forenames > Hi Dona: > When I transcribed the name of the 11 year old below in the 1841 census I > read it as Kamy McDonald. I just went back and looked at the census page > and still think that it is Kamy. The transcription of the OPR that I have > lists the birth as that of a daughter with the name Hammy. I do not have > access to the original OPR for Kilchoman. > Ted Larson > > Dona Findlay wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> I am researching the Macdonald side of my family tree and have come >> across an strange first name in the baptism records taken from the >> Finlaggan site. >> This states that Hammy Macdonald was registered as a son of Donald >> Macdonald ,1829 Hammy MacDonald was born on the 10th January a son of >> Donald MacDonald and Marion Clarke, Kilchoman. >> >> The 1841 Census registers Hamy McDonald aged 11, farm servant and living >> with Donald McFayden and resident on the Farm of Grobolls. House >> Schedule No. Killarrow 6/7/2 but states that this is a female person. >> >> Having found no other trace of this Hammy I wondered if anyone on the >> list knows if this is a short version of Hamilton or Hamish or could it >> be a female name ! >> >> All suggestions gratefully received. >> >> >> Dona Findlay >> >> >> >> ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >> To visit the website associated with this project, visit: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm >> >> >> . >> > > ______________________________

I have just obtained a copy death cert given the above for Flora who was my 3g grannie. She was married to Duncan Logan (1811-1879). She died Port Ellen aged 87. Informant was her son Donald ( then aged 52). I can accept that Donald would well know his grandparents names. My problem now is I cannot get her date of birth or details of parents' wedding or any further data on parents such as their birth dates or parents. IGI and Scotlandspeople produced nothing although Ted's site shows Dugald and Marion had several other children. Can any of you Logan/MacKay/McCuaig researchers help?? This has been another hard lesson for me. Till now I had made some logical and seemingly well founded assumptions which were ultimately proved wrong when I got this one primary source document. JOHN SHAW AUCKLAND NZ.

Begin forwarded message: > From: Dona Findlay <donafindlay@biscituk.com> > Date: 4 April 2006 16:39:51 BDT > To: tlarson@usfamily.net > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Unusual Forenames > > Hi Ted, > > Thanks for the information, I will look up the original OPR record > for Kilchoman when I next visit Edinburgh. I am inclined towards > the name Hamish but cannot as yet find any link using the naming > rule although that may have nothing at all to do with it. Now I am > curious about the name Kamy as it sounds too modern for that era. > If I come across any more information I will let you know. > > Thanks to all who replied for their suggestions. Keep hunting. > > Dona Findlay > > > On 4 Apr 2006, at 13:39, Ted Larson wrote: > >> Hi Dona: >> When I transcribed the name of the 11 year old below in the 1841 >> census I read it as Kamy McDonald. I just went back and looked at >> the census page and still think that it is Kamy. The >> transcription of the OPR that I have lists the birth as that of a >> daughter with the name Hammy. I do not have access to the >> original OPR for Kilchoman. >> Ted Larson >> >> Dona Findlay wrote: >> >>> Hi List, >>> >>> I am researching the Macdonald side of my family tree and have >>> come across an strange first name in the baptism records taken >>> from the Finlaggan site. >>> This states that Hammy Macdonald was registered as a son of >>> Donald Macdonald ,1829 Hammy MacDonald was born on the 10th >>> January a son of Donald MacDonald and Marion Clarke, Kilchoman. >>> >>> The 1841 Census registers Hamy McDonald aged 11, farm servant >>> and living with Donald McFayden and resident on the Farm of >>> Grobolls. House Schedule No. Killarrow 6/7/2 but states that >>> this is a female person. >>> >>> Having found no other trace of this Hammy I wondered if anyone on >>> the list knows if this is a short version of Hamilton or Hamish >>> or could it be a female name ! >>> >>> All suggestions gratefully received. >>> >>> >>> Dona Findlay >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >>> To visit the website associated with this project, visit: >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm >>> >>> >>> . >>> >> >> >> ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >> To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to >> 1875 visit: >> HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ >> >

Hi Jim, The MCKAY name leads me to ask a question. I have Esther MCKAY married to Archibald MITCHELL(b. ~ 1777, Kilchoman) probably about 1795-1798 and they had a number of children that I know of: Alexander b. 1799, Islay Margaret b. 1804 Archibald b. 1811 Isabelle b. Cir 1812-1814 Mary b. 1815 Archibald senior died between the 1841 and 1851 censuses and Esther had died before the 1841 census. You mentioned that you have details of the parents of John MCKAY (1771-1859) so I wondered if Esther MCKAY fits into your tree anywhere. Thanks! Gay

Emma "Hamilton" Campbell married John Sinclair in June, 1833 in Bowmore parish. According to family history, she was romantically named for Emma Hamilton, the lover of Admiral Nelson. Her name appears as "Hammy" in some papers. Toni >From: "Iain Sinclair" <iain@iainsinclair.me.uk> >Reply-To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >To: SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Unusual Forenames >Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 10:54:28 +0100 > >Hello Dona, > >Hammy is not a common name in Scotland but it's not unusual either. In my >experience it has always been a contraction of Hamish (James) although it >would not surprise me for it to be used in place of Hamilton. > >I would put my money on Hamish! > >Iain > > >==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== >To find Vital Statistics for islay from the earliest records to 1875 visit: >HTTP://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~tlarson/bdm/ > _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Hello Dona, Hammy is not a common name in Scotland but it's not unusual either. In my experience it has always been a contraction of Hamish (James) although it would not surprise me for it to be used in place of Hamilton. I would put my money on Hamish! Iain

Hi List, I am researching the Macdonald side of my family tree and have come across an strange first name in the baptism records taken from the Finlaggan site. This states that Hammy Macdonald was registered as a son of Donald Macdonald ,1829 Hammy MacDonald was born on the 10th January a son of Donald MacDonald and Marion Clarke, Kilchoman. The 1841 Census registers Hamy McDonald aged 11, farm servant and living with Donald McFayden and resident on the Farm of Grobolls. House Schedule No. Killarrow 6/7/2 but states that this is a female person. Having found no other trace of this Hammy I wondered if anyone on the list knows if this is a short version of Hamilton or Hamish or could it be a female name ! All suggestions gratefully received. Dona Findlay

Hi Dona: When I transcribed the name of the 11 year old below in the 1841 census I read it as Kamy McDonald. I just went back and looked at the census page and still think that it is Kamy. The transcription of the OPR that I have lists the birth as that of a daughter with the name Hammy. I do not have access to the original OPR for Kilchoman. Ted Larson Dona Findlay wrote: > Hi List, > > I am researching the Macdonald side of my family tree and have come > across an strange first name in the baptism records taken from the > Finlaggan site. > This states that Hammy Macdonald was registered as a son of Donald > Macdonald ,1829 Hammy MacDonald was born on the 10th January a son of > Donald MacDonald and Marion Clarke, Kilchoman. > > The 1841 Census registers Hamy McDonald aged 11, farm servant and > living with Donald McFayden and resident on the Farm of Grobolls. > House Schedule No. Killarrow 6/7/2 but states that this is a female > person. > > Having found no other trace of this Hammy I wondered if anyone on the > list knows if this is a short version of Hamilton or Hamish or could > it be a female name ! > > All suggestions gratefully received. > > > Dona Findlay > > > > ==== SCT-ISLAY Mailing List ==== > To visit the website associated with this project, visit: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/islay/data.htm > > > . >