Sorry, I've looked up my diary but just wrote a few notes and didn't mention the names but it could be Kennedy. There was a Kennedy family farming at Tallant in 2002 when I was there. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Claggett" <ann42@dccnet.com> To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 > Could the people who died in the boating tragedy be the Kennedy men? > > ann ........from Delta BC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geary mail" <celia_geary@infogen.net.nz> > To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 > > > >I have been all around that graveyard by the round church at Bowmore. There > > were some fallen stones but not many, and I agree that most are later > > stones > > and include people who died before 1870 in some cases. It is a well laid > > out > > cemetery but I was only looking for McDougalls or Browns at the time. I > > did > > notice a multiple grave for some men who died in a boating tragedy. I > > found > > it a peaceful place and just loved the whole ambience of all of Islay. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been all around that graveyard by the round church at Bowmore. There were some fallen stones but not many, and I agree that most are later stones and include people who died before 1870 in some cases. It is a well laid out cemetery but I was only looking for McDougalls or Browns at the time. I did notice a multiple grave for some men who died in a boating tragedy. I found it a peaceful place and just loved the whole ambience of all of Islay. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Campbell" <campbellha@uqconnect.net> To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 > Thanks Nancy MacLarty for your Islay photos. I doubt if I'll ever get there > so I really appreciate the photos you and others have put on websites. > Otherwise I would only ever have seen the views connected with commercial > sites. I look at all the photos very closely. They have given me a good idea > of the area some of my ancestors lived in. > > I am curious about the gravestones/monuments in the Round Church churchyard > at Bowmore. A recent answer to a posting on the Renfrew mailing list by > Nivard Ovington suggests that gravestones generally 'were for the somewhat > better off'. I can understand that particularly in the industrial and mining > areas of Renfrew and Lanark where incomes were poor for many people. > > However, many of the gravestones/monuments shown in the churchyard at > Bowmore are more than simple headstones. They are substantial monuments > which must have cost a bit. Who would they all be for? Former businessmen? > Farmers? Would the cost have been a great burden on families? Was there a > loss of face issue if a substantial monument was not erected? Were the > monuments made on Islay or brought from somewhere else? None appeared to be > leaning over as happens in other old cemeteries. > > Perhaps other listers may be able to explain. > > Robert Campbell in Brisbane > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 10/12/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue I wouldn't mind a copy of your photos of the Kennedy gravestone. Some listers may be interested in the family story. My gg-grandfather Captain John Kennedy had three sons, Donald, Malcolm and Lachlan. On 1st January 1879 Donald (aged 24) went out to sea on the family schooner with Lachlan (the baby of the family aged 20). Presumably the weather was awful. Lachlan was swept overboard "between the Point of Rhinns and Mull of Oa" and never seen again. Donald searched for hours: he couldn't bear to go home to tell his parents he'd lost his brother. When he did, his mother was completely distraught. Six months later she lost her first grandchild to diphtheria, and three years later her husband (Captain John) died from drinking poison out of a whisky bottle. She never recovered from these shocks and the family story is that she spent the rest of her life (20 years) wandering up and down the shore looking for her son's body. Donald was drowned off Bowmore pier the year after his mother died. Seymour Hosking

Hello, all; I just noticed an English postcard dated 1905 for sale showing "ST. SAVIOUR'S HOSPITAL, OSNABURG STREET, LONDON, N.W. ISLAY WARD" published apparently by the "Tourists' Association, Turnham Green, W." Does anyone know why the name "Islay Ward"? or was it common to name a hospital ward after a place? Looks very comfortable! Diane Rogers British Columbia, Canada

One of the most beautiful gravestones on Islay is the Kennedy grave at the Round Church cemetery. I'm not related but took a couple of pictures of it. I confess that the focus is on the artistic value rather than the inscription. Please let me know if you want scanned copies and I'll forward separately. Cheerio Sue Visser Ontario, Canada

Could the people who died in the boating tragedy be the Kennedy men? ann ........from Delta BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geary mail" <celia_geary@infogen.net.nz> To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 >I have been all around that graveyard by the round church at Bowmore. There > were some fallen stones but not many, and I agree that most are later > stones > and include people who died before 1870 in some cases. It is a well laid > out > cemetery but I was only looking for McDougalls or Browns at the time. I > did > notice a multiple grave for some men who died in a boating tragedy. I > found > it a peaceful place and just loved the whole ambience of all of Islay. >

On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:19, Helen Campbell wrote: > many of the gravestones/monuments shown in the churchyard at > Bowmore are more than simple headstones. They are substantial monuments > which must have cost a bit. Who would they all be for? Former > businessmen? > Farmers? Would the cost have been a great burden on families? Was > there a > loss of face issue if a substantial monument was not erected? Were the > monuments made on Islay or brought from somewhere else? None appeared > to be > leaning over as happens in other old cemeteries. The round church at Bowmore is very much a working church. When I was there, a wedding was going on - (the men in their kilts). Many of the gravestones are recent - i.e. 1950's and upwards. Also markers for those who fell in the 1st and 2nd World Wars. The oldest I could find there were either late 1800's or early 1900's and they were from families who had later deaths recorded on the same stone. Of course the oldest stones I found were at Kildalton, but many were in such bad condition that I couldn't read them - although there were some new ones (1970's) there too. Strangely, the oldest cemetery I have ever been to was in an outport on Newfoundland's east coast where dates were from the 1600's. Also, there were many groups of stones there that told a story - i.e. ship wrecks, epidemics of small pox, etc. In our family plot in Ottawa (Beechwood Cemetery) my Great Grandfather Dugald is buried as is his son. His son James died in 1892 and Dugald died in 1926. He (Dugald) was the son of Donald McLarty and Mary Love who were married in the round church at Bowmore and emmigrated to Canada during the Clearances. Dugald was born in Canada shortly after they arrived. Nancy MacLarty (in BC)

Islay family: For years I searched for my gg grandfather, Donald Sinclair, whose family had immigrated to Ontario from Islay in the 1850s. He was not buried with the rest of the family, nor was he buried near a brother-in-law's home where the family stories said he had rested, ill, after the sea voyage. I looked- without luck- in Islay cemeteries to see whether he had possibly never made the trip. I was in the library in Owen Sound and had time to listen to the grandson of the youngest of the seven brothers describe his grandfather's tin business. He began by telling the story of his grandfather's immigration to Canada, where the father had become ill on the voyage, died, and was buried at sea. I have yet to look for ship records, but I am sure there is a note there. One other place to look. Connie Sinclair

Evening All, The following information is what I have for my ggggrandparents. I am having the darndest time finding anything on either of them prior to their arrival here in Canada. I don't have any idea who Thomas' parents were. Or siblings for either Thomas or Catherine. Any suggestions for searching would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Vicki Sudbury, Ontario, Canada THOMAS CALDER Marriages Spouse CATHRINE MACNAB 31 DEC 1818 Kildalton, Argyll, Scotland Parochial Registers of Marriages 1789-1819 Co of Argyll Kildalton Parish #541 Microfilm #1041079 BOTP - Both Of This Parish International Genealogical Index - British Isles 1. Catherine McNabb - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUN 1803 Kildalton, Islay Island, Argyll, Scotland Catherine McNabb Christening: 03 JUN 1803 Kildalton, Islay Island, Argyll, Scotland Death: 1879 Father: John McNabb Mother: Janet Leitch Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter. >From the book, 'they came to mara...' Thomas Calder and his wife, Catherine (McNabb), were born in Islay, Scotland. Catherine was the daughter of John and Janet (Leitch) McNabb. The two oldest children of Thomas and Catherine were born in the United States; the remaining children were born in Canada. The Calder family had settled in Mara by 1852. In 1862, Thomas purchased Lot 8 Con 2 were he spent many years with his family. Thomas, Catherine, and many of their descendants were interred in the Gamebridge Cemetery. CALDER, Thos, m, February 9, 1882, 89 years, Argyle [Islay] Scotland, cause - not given, farmer, infm - Rev. J. McNabb, Beaverton, Mara Twp (Ontario Co.) 012988-82

Hi Ken CURRIE, Alexander - M22/4/1852 - At Newton, Island of Islay, on the > >22d instant, by the Rev. Alexander Stewart of Killarow, Alexander > >Currie, Esq., M.D., to Anne Jane, fourth daughter of the late James > >Campbell, Esq., formerly of Kilchoman, Islay. Thank very much for forwarding this. The couple mentioned above are my g-g-grandparents. This is an interesting entry as I only recall having received information on three daughters (including my g-g-grandmother), not four. I still keep coming up against brick walls in my search for further details on my g-g-g-grandfather James Campbell. I cannot seem to find any birth or death records for him. I assume he was born in Kilchoman so the lack of a birth record does not surprise me but I'm puzzled as to why I can't find any death record for him. He died sometime between 1828 and 1836 as he is listed in the 1828 rentals for at Greamsay but not the 1836 rentals. His son's name was Henry Campbell which suggests to me that he might have been related (directly or otherwise) to Henry Campbell of Knockamilly. Or perhaps the naming was purely coincidental and he was named after another relative altogether. Does anyone have any further genealogical information at all on Henry Campbell of Knockamilly (other than the entry in Daniel Campbell's Day Book) or James Campbell? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Fiona MacAlister

Thanks Nancy MacLarty for your Islay photos. I doubt if I'll ever get there so I really appreciate the photos you and others have put on websites. Otherwise I would only ever have seen the views connected with commercial sites. I look at all the photos very closely. They have given me a good idea of the area some of my ancestors lived in. I am curious about the gravestones/monuments in the Round Church churchyard at Bowmore. A recent answer to a posting on the Renfrew mailing list by Nivard Ovington suggests that gravestones generally 'were for the somewhat better off'. I can understand that particularly in the industrial and mining areas of Renfrew and Lanark where incomes were poor for many people. However, many of the gravestones/monuments shown in the churchyard at Bowmore are more than simple headstones. They are substantial monuments which must have cost a bit. Who would they all be for? Former businessmen? Farmers? Would the cost have been a great burden on families? Was there a loss of face issue if a substantial monument was not erected? Were the monuments made on Islay or brought from somewhere else? None appeared to be leaning over as happens in other old cemeteries. Perhaps other listers may be able to explain. Robert Campbell in Brisbane -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 10/12/2006

Thank you Nancy for the wonderful memories you photos have produced, we were on Islay in August/September last year and was great to see graves on " my Campbell " relations in one of them. Islay will always be "home' having had a visit there. Thanks Margaret Noble. New Zealand.--- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy A. MacLarty" <nanmac825@dccnet.com> To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:47 AM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 > http://homepage.mac.com/ellacurly1/PhotoAlbum37.html > > Nancy MacLarty > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nancy, thank you for sharing your pictures of Islay. It has been a few years since I was last there. It was such a memorable experience and I have always yearned to return. One of these days hopefully but such a long way from NZ. I went to Sunderland farm on my visit to see where my Leitch family worked. The family who own the farm now kindly showed me around. I was greeted by about 3 or 4 NZ sheep dogs which surprised me. Glad you had such a nice time. Rgards Lorraine Levien -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy A. MacLarty Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2006 9:47 a.m. To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 http://homepage.mac.com/ellacurly1/PhotoAlbum37.html Nancy MacLarty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found a site for searching for name meanings: http://www.behindthename.com/ Cheerio Sue Visser

Carolyn if you try Roy's book shop in Islay, they may be able to help you. I ordered two books on line from them some time ago. They are very helpfull. Try http://www.roysceltichouse.com/ Cheers Ian McEachern Western Australia

On Oct 17, 2006, at 23:08, Rex Noble wrote: > Thank you Nancy for the wonderful memories you photos have produced, > we > were on Islay in August/September last year and was great to see > graves on " > my Campbell " relations in one of them. Islay will always be "home' > having had a visit there. You are welcome, wish I had more. I have lots of others of Scotland including Culloden. It was just the luck of the draw for all of us where we ended up. Me, in Canada, you in New Zealand, others in Australia and the U.S.A. I wonder if they chose where they were going or just took the "luck of the draw"? Nancy in British Columbia

Thank you Toni! I wondered what he had about Pt Ellen. I have seen the list of initial residents- I think it was originally in the community chest that is on FHC microfilm about Islay. There were some McNabb's listed which could have been mine. I know mine were living in Pt Ellen 1841-1861. They lived on Lagavullin Rd/Lennox St until they emigrated. John McNabb was listed as a stone quarrier on the census and quarryman when his daughter married. I understand that there was a slate quarry nearby that was used for the houses being built. I did have a chance to visit Pt Ellen when I came for the Return. I ordered Reminiscences from abebooks and it should be coming shortly. Islay in the early 1800's still intrigues me. I think the description of the housing arrangement is very interesting. from a wet Springfield, Carolyn

Hi Carolyn, I have a copy of Jupp's History of Islay. It literally goes "from the earliest times", through the Lordship of the Isles, the Cawdor period, and through the Campbells. Port Ellen was founded in 1821, and I remember somewhere reading a list of the first residents of the town, but it wasn't in this book. (I think it was in Booth's lists of Islay People). Since it is out of print, and it's pouring buckets outside, here goes: page 194 "...by far the most ambitious of his (Walter Frederick Campbell) most ambitious of his villages is Port Ellen. Like Bowmore, this was to be a port, the base of a fishing fleet, a centre of industry and trading centre of the parish of Kildalton and Oa. It was cleverly sited on the shores of the only really safe haven on the southwest coast of Islay, Loch Leodamais (often known as Leodamais Bay), which General Lambert had used to land the guns for the seige of Dunyvaig castle in 1615 (see Chapter 16). It had been a little used since, for it was a very shallow, marshy inlet between dangerous outcrops of rock. Only one part of the bay was usable as a landing place, below the ard (Rubha a "chuinnlein) on the south side of the inlet, where there were probably some fishermen's houses before Port Ellen was built. Before a village could be built the site had to be drained; to be usable as a port in all weathers and at all times a pier and a lighthouse had to be provided. To drain the marsh, ditches were dug, one of which ran down to the sea beside the site on which the church of St. John now stands. Another ran past the Islay Hotel. Both these drains were later put underground, but they still cause trouble occasionally. A pier was constructed on what was a rocky islet on the eastern side of the bay, reached by a bridge initially. The lighthouse, at Carraig Fhada, was added in 1832, and dedicated to Walter Frederick's first wife. Given the pier, the lighthouse and safer harbour than the little bays at Laphroaig, Lagavulin and Ardbeg, which were used by distilleries and local fishermen. It is noteworthy that in the Statistical Account of 1795, the Kildalton minister refers to Loch Cnoc as the only safe haven in his parish, and makes no reference to the three small distillery bays, or to Leodamais. The plan of Port Ellen village provided for a crescent (Frederick Crescent) of a number of terraces of houses frontinig Leodamais Bay, with two principal streets radiating from the crescent, Charlotte Street northeastwards past Port Imeraval towards the Oa and Bowmore, and New Street (now called Lennox Street) westwards parallel with the coast towards Lagavulin. At first there was apparently no road betweenthe houses in Frederick Crescent and the seashore, and all the houses were served by the back road, behind the houses and their gardens. A lane fave access to the pier. The plan remains virtually unchanged today, apart from three buildings between Frederick Crescent and the seashore, the road in front of Frederick Crescent, and additional houses behind the crescent, climbing up the hills and spreading towards and along Port Imeraval. It was apparently John Ramsay who allowed the temperance hotel and a police station to be built between Frederick Crescent and the sea, and Mr. Hindle, to whom he sold the village in 1921, who failed to stop an enterprising baker from erecting a 'temporary' wooden structure there without permission. Port Ellen Distillery, at Port Imeraval, was opened in 1827 and helped to draw people into the new village, but it was not until the 1830s that a significant number of houses was built and occupied. Alexander and Islay Shanks, writing in the Third Statistical Account, attribute the Port Ellen building boom of the 1830s to the property qualification required under the Franchise Act of 1832 to secure the vote, thought with what truth it is impossible to say. In 1836, Lord Teignmouth noted that although "several tradesmen have settled...none of them thrive as yet, except masons and wrights, who are employed in the building of houses." As in the case of Bowmore, the new village took a considerable time to become fully established, and it was not until 1888 and 1889 that the last houses in Charlotte Street were built. House-holders in Port Ellen were offered a "four-acre inducement", in that they were offered lotments of four acres outside the village on which to fraze cattle and raise crops. Many of these lotments survive as crofts today. Most of the houses built in Port Ellen in the first half of the nineteenth century also had byres in their back gardens, which opened onto what is now the 'back road', in which their cattle could be sheltered in winter" You can also find out more by reading the Statistical Accounts (they are online. I don't have the website, but you can probably google for it). I hope this helps, Toni >From: CAROLYN HARMON <charm59@sbcglobal.net> > >Hi Listers: > I've been interested in the history of Port Ellen for a little while and >finally am trying to purchase Jupp's book about the History of Islay to >1848- thinking maybe there would be some interesting > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. 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