Hi Ted, There were two Sinclairs - Daniel and Archibald, who went to North Carolina. I am very certain that they were brothers. According to Daniel's tombstone he was born in Kilchoman parish 24 March, 1794, and emigrated "to America" in 1820. Family legend says that he married young to Flora McKenzie, also of Kilchoman, and they emigrated after their first child, Catharine, was born on Islay. They believe that the family went first to Canada, stayed there for 8 years, then coming to Fayetteville, N.C. In a few months they returned to Canada, and back to Marion County in 1830 where they continued to live.They and their family are buried at the McLucas Cemetery, S.C. Family tradition also says that he is the son of Daniel Archibald Sinclair and Mary Campbell. Archibald, also born in Kilchoman parish, married Catherine McGilivray, of Kilchoman. They also had one child born there, and emigrated to America in 1820. They and their family are buried at Sinclair cemetery near Clio, S.C. Neither family histories name the ship. I have always thought that they probably travelled with the other families that you mention, but this will be difficult to prove. I have recently bought a book about the emigration societies in Scotland, because it names ships and assisted passengers in 1820 and 1821. If these lists are complete, it would seem that these Islay people were not assisted (ie. loaned money for their passage). Most of them settled in Lanark County, Ontario. Toni >From: Ted Larson <tlarson@usfamily.net> >Reply-To: tlarson@usfamily.net, sct-islay@rootsweb.com >To: Sct-Islay <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Campbells and others to North Carolina >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:28:28 -0500 > >Hi List: > >Somewhere between 1819 and 1821 a number of families went from Islay to >North Carolina. Some later went on the Canada and some stayed in North >Carolina. I have some questions about those who stayed in North >Carolina. I would like to hear anything about these families and others >that may have emmigrated to North Carolina in that 1820 time frame? > >James Gilchrist who was married to Christian Campbell. His child George >is listed as deaf and dumb. Found in 1830, 1840, 1850 census. >Charles Gilchrist who was married to Nancy McArthur. >A George Campbell who was born somewhere near 1790. >A Catherine Campbell who was born about 1795. Possibly wife of George. >A Margaret Gilchrist born about 1795 listed as deaf and dumb. I think >probably never married. Found in 1850 census >An Isabella Gilchrist born about 1790 listed as deaf and dumb. I think >probably never married. Foune in 1850 census >A Mary Gilchrist born about 1810 listed as deaf and dumb. I think >probably never married. Found in 1850 census. > >Does anyone know what ship they sailed on? > >Ted Larson > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006

Thanks very much for sharing this with us Mac. I'm just trying to figure out which Sinclair family that Duncan belonged to. Toni >From: "Mac Coinnich" <maccon1@msn.com> >Reply-To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com >To: sct-islay@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] boating accident >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:57:43 -0400 > >There was mention recently of a boating accident near Bowmore. I had the >following account which may be related. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Drowning Tragedy on Lochindall, Islay, 14th November 1879 _________________________________________________________________ Say hello to the next generation of Search. Live Search – try it now. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca

We're just back from Islay via Port Askaig. Apart from a few large containers and some construction materials (complete with wee men in dayglo vests and hardhats), all of which/whom are fenced off round the corner past the booking office, there seems no disruption to the terminal to date. The main parking / acess areas to both the Kennacraig ferry and the Jura ferry were as normal and the new road over the hill is a great improvement. Regards Iain MacIntosh -----Original Message----- From: sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-islay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Visser Sent: 27 October 2006 21:34 To: ISLAY LIST Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] planning a trip to Islay in 2007??? Hi listers Are you planning a trip to Islay within the next year? There is an article with pics in the latest edition of the Ileach (Islay's newspaper) about the second stage of construction at Port Askaig. With construction huts all over the dock area, it's not the place I'd choose to either land or leave Islay. This next stage of construction will last 42 weeks. Something to keep in mind when booking your ferry tickets....I'd choose Port Ellen until it's completed. Also if you are visiting and would rather not rent a car.....Christine Logan has started a new Islay tour business called the Lady of the Isles , website http://www.ladyoftheisles.co.uk/ or email christine@ladyoftheisles.co.uk Don't forget to check out other travel options at http://www.islayinfo.com/ and click on Travel Info. Cheerio Sue Visser ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ted, I am researching my husband's family and his gggrandfather and wife left Islay in 1819 or 20. His name was Duncan (Benjamin?) Niven born January 1, 1787, in Scotland, and from all accounts Islay. His wife was Flora Anne McDougall born 1786. They were living at Ballitarsin prior to leaving Islay with two young daughters and an infant son. The infant son died on the passage. We have been unable to find name of ship, location of arrival, etc. We believe they arrived in North Carolina but nothing to prove that just a sense from all the research. The first land transaction found for Duncan, is in August 1821 in Anson County, North Carolina. In March of 1821 they had another son, the first one born in America. Duncan's life in America is documented through church records, his will, obituary, etc. The lives of his seven children and their descendants have been researched and recorded. Last September my husband and I fulfilled our dream of visiting Islay and Ballitarsin/Balytarsen/Baletarsin. From our research we believe that Duncan and Flora were married in the Round Church or at least there is a record that their Bans were called on the 28th of February 1814. Their marriage date is March 6, 1814. The lady at the Islay Family History Center said that custom was even thought the Bans were called in church, vows/wedding could have been at home or elsewhere. From records recounting his involvement in his chosen church in America, my guess is that they would have gotten married in the Round Church. The name of the ship is a missing piece of the puzzle that I too would love to find. Phyllis Beachum ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Larson To: Sct-Islay Sent: 10/25/2006 5:28:15 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Campbells and others to North Carolina Hi List: Somewhere between 1819 and 1821 a number of families went from Islay to North Carolina. Some later went on the Canada and some stayed in North Carolina. I have some questions about those who stayed in North Carolina. I would like to hear anything about these families and others that may have emmigrated to North Carolina in that 1820 time frame? James Gilchrist who was married to Christian Campbell. His child George is listed as deaf and dumb. Found in 1830, 1840, 1850 census. Charles Gilchrist who was married to Nancy McArthur. A George Campbell who was born somewhere near 1790. A Catherine Campbell who was born about 1795. Possibly wife of George. A Margaret Gilchrist born about 1795 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Found in 1850 census An Isabella Gilchrist born about 1790 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Foune in 1850 census A Mary Gilchrist born about 1810 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Found in 1850 census. Does anyone know what ship they sailed on? Ted Larson ------------------------------- --- Phyllis Beachum --- abeachum2@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

I was only commenting on the ferry venue - which has to be either Port Ellen or Port Askaig. For the time of construction, Port Ellen is what I'd recommend. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy A. MacLarty" <nanmac825@dccnet.com> To: <sct-islay@rootsweb.com> Cc: "ISLAY LIST" <SCT-ISLAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] planning a trip to Islay in 2007??? On Oct 27, 2006, at 13:33, Sue Visser wrote: > There is an article with pics in the latest edition of the Ileach > (Islay's newspaper) about the second stage of construction at Port > Askaig. With construction huts all over the dock area, it's not the > place I'd choose to either land or leave Islay. This next stage of > construction will last 42 weeks. Something to keep in mind when > booking your ferry tickets....I'd choose Port Ellen until it's > completed. Having just returned from Islay, I would also choose either Port Ellen or Bowmore. Port Charlotte is sort of "out of the way" although the restaurant at the Port Charlotte Hotel is well worth a visit (and I would suggest reservations). Port Askaig didn't have much to offer, except for the fact that it had the ferry terminal - but Port Ellen does too. McKenzie Motors rent cars and will meet you at the Port Askaig terminal if you take the noon ferry and you can leave the car at Port Ellen Ferry terminal for the morning ferry to return to Kennacraig. Don't be afraid to drive on the "wrong side of the road" on Islay. It takes a little getting used to, but the roads are straight (and narrow) but not crowded and there aren't any dreaded roundabouts. I guess Bowmore had more going on - but Port Ellen was great. I stayed at the White Hart Hotel - quite reasonable and they have a nice waterfront grassed area in front with picnic tables, etc. that you can take your beverage of choice to in good weather. The Machrie Hotel and Golf Course near Port Ellen has a good dining room as well and a great bar. If anyone wants info on car rentals, etc. - let me know. Nancy MacLarty ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers Are you planning a trip to Islay within the next year? There is an article with pics in the latest edition of the Ileach (Islay's newspaper) about the second stage of construction at Port Askaig. With construction huts all over the dock area, it's not the place I'd choose to either land or leave Islay. This next stage of construction will last 42 weeks. Something to keep in mind when booking your ferry tickets....I'd choose Port Ellen until it's completed. Also if you are visiting and would rather not rent a car.....Christine Logan has started a new Islay tour business called the Lady of the Isles , website http://www.ladyoftheisles.co.uk/ or email christine@ladyoftheisles.co.uk Don't forget to check out other travel options at http://www.islayinfo.com/ and click on Travel Info. Cheerio Sue Visser

On Oct 27, 2006, at 13:33, Sue Visser wrote: > There is an article with pics in the latest edition of the Ileach > (Islay's newspaper) about the second stage of construction at Port > Askaig. With construction huts all over the dock area, it's not the > place I'd choose to either land or leave Islay. This next stage of > construction will last 42 weeks. Something to keep in mind when > booking your ferry tickets....I'd choose Port Ellen until it's > completed. Having just returned from Islay, I would also choose either Port Ellen or Bowmore. Port Charlotte is sort of "out of the way" although the restaurant at the Port Charlotte Hotel is well worth a visit (and I would suggest reservations). Port Askaig didn't have much to offer, except for the fact that it had the ferry terminal - but Port Ellen does too. McKenzie Motors rent cars and will meet you at the Port Askaig terminal if you take the noon ferry and you can leave the car at Port Ellen Ferry terminal for the morning ferry to return to Kennacraig. Don't be afraid to drive on the "wrong side of the road" on Islay. It takes a little getting used to, but the roads are straight (and narrow) but not crowded and there aren't any dreaded roundabouts. I guess Bowmore had more going on - but Port Ellen was great. I stayed at the White Hart Hotel - quite reasonable and they have a nice waterfront grassed area in front with picnic tables, etc. that you can take your beverage of choice to in good weather. The Machrie Hotel and Golf Course near Port Ellen has a good dining room as well and a great bar. If anyone wants info on car rentals, etc. - let me know. Nancy MacLarty

There was mention recently of a boating accident near Bowmore. I had the following account which may be related. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Drowning Tragedy on Lochindall, Islay, 14th November 1879 This drowning tragedy took place in Lochindaal when a small 13 ft. boat was returning from Bowmore with a group of young people who had attended the November feeing (?) market there. The boat was overloaded and despite warnings from one of the party, Archibald MacLellan who refused to go with them, preferring to walk the long road to Kilchoman, they set off. The wind was from the south so they put up the sail at Bowmore. All went well until they were about half way across the loch between Gartbreck and Port Charlotte. Once they came out of the shelter of Laggan Point the boat started plunging and was swamped. All on board were drowned. They were: John MacLellan, 21 years brother and sisters of Archibald MacLellan Janet Maclellan, 17 years who walked home Margaret Mclellan, 26 years Duncan Maclean, 26 years Port Charlotte Duncan Sinclair, 27 years Tormisdale Margaret Johnstone, 17 years Conispie Robert Mackenzie, 48 years Port Charlotte Archibald Anderson, 18 years Tormisdale Catherine Ferguson, 25 years Portnahaven John Torrie, 28 years Port Charlotte Ann MacLachlan, 18 years Kilchoman Catherine Anderson, 23 years Tormisdale Archibald Turner, 32 years owner of the boat

Margaret MacNeill and James M(a)cNab with several offspring came to Moore County NC from Islay late in 1818 or early in 1819. Sorry, but we haven't been able to find any information as to the ship, port of departure, etc. B. Cameron

Hi Listers Below is an extract from todays Dundee Courier: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Early maps to move to Perth AN IMPORTANT slice of Scotland's heritage has been secured for future generations through the vital conservation of a collection of early maps which will eventually be housed in in Perth. The world-famous collection held by the Royal Scottish Geographical Society is to be preserved and made more accessible to the public after a £160,000 Heritage Lottery Fund award, it was announced by Professor Bruce Proudfoot, of St Andrews University. Significant within the RSGS early map holdings is the Cuthbert Collection, gifted to the society in 2000 by the widow of the late William Cuthbert, a well-known Perth solicitor. This stunning collection consists of 300 maps spanning 400 years, depicting both Scotland and overseas. William Cuthbert collected maps portraying both the whole of Scotland and a number of the old Scottish counties and regions. The earliest item is a curious map depicting Scotland at a 90-degree angle to England and Wales, published in 1573 in the Theatrum Orbis Terrarum, or world atlas, of Flemish mapmaker Abraham Ortelius. Perhaps the finest "gem" in the Cuthbert Collection is a large, beautifully wrought, detailed plan of Perth, produced by William MacFarlane in 1792, and engraved by James Kirkwood, of the well-known Edinburgh family of engravers. Colin McLean, the Heritage Lottery Fund manager for Scotland, said, "Maps such as these are central to the story and identity of Scotland, revealing much about the geography of our history but also about the politics, culture and artistic skills of the time." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can access this article, and thus the Couriers web-site, at : http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2006/10/25/newsstory8894754t0.asp Regards Les

Hi List: Somewhere between 1819 and 1821 a number of families went from Islay to North Carolina. Some later went on the Canada and some stayed in North Carolina. I have some questions about those who stayed in North Carolina. I would like to hear anything about these families and others that may have emmigrated to North Carolina in that 1820 time frame? James Gilchrist who was married to Christian Campbell. His child George is listed as deaf and dumb. Found in 1830, 1840, 1850 census. Charles Gilchrist who was married to Nancy McArthur. A George Campbell who was born somewhere near 1790. A Catherine Campbell who was born about 1795. Possibly wife of George. A Margaret Gilchrist born about 1795 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Found in 1850 census An Isabella Gilchrist born about 1790 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Foune in 1850 census A Mary Gilchrist born about 1810 listed as deaf and dumb. I think probably never married. Found in 1850 census. Does anyone know what ship they sailed on? Ted Larson

HI all Does anyone know Catharine's parents names? Who was bride #3 Monta Salmon Stirling, Alberta, Canada

Sorry Christine I didn't write down anything from the Bowmore cemetery about John McDougall and Mary McDermid. (I thought it was spelled McDiarmid though, or is that another couple?) John McDougall and Mary McDiarmid had 6 children between 1794 and 1805, all baptised in Kilarrow and available on Ted Larson's BDMs. I thought once long ago that the entry for John bapt. 1800 may have been mine but it was 16 years too early, and the wrong parents anyway. Somebody was asking about a Kennedy entry for a gravestone. At the Kilmeny Cemetery I wrote down "Colin Kennedy, d.1864, aged 21 years, died on board ship, son of Malcolm Kennedy and Catherine McIndoer. + Colin & Lachlan". I wrote this down as Catherine McIndoer was the name given on the Death Cert.for the mother of my John McDougall. Obviously it could not be the same woman. I wrote down some others names but all turned out to be no connection to my family. Sorry I couldn't help. Celia.

Just wondering what clan I am. My Father's name was Murray, his Mother's maiden name was Dickie. Both from Fraserburgh Scotland. My Mothers maiden was Campbell and her Grandmother's name was McLeod / McCuaig. Grandfather & Grandmother both from Islay. So what clan / sept am I ?. Your thoughts would be appriciated. Margaret Noble. New Zealand.

In a message dated 22/10/2006 1:01:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnmarylou_stanyon@sympatico.ca writes: > Hi Carolyn > > I too have a Colin McNab but I don't have much on him. He was the brother > of my great grandmother. He was born about 1819 in Lurabus, Islay. > > "Colin has married three times and has "very numerous family"" > -John Ramsey of Kildalton > > Colin McNab, of Brock township, Home District, to Ann Campbell, of Eldon > Twp., Colborne district. 4 Oct. 1849, by licence, Rev. MacMurchy. Wit. Colin > McFadyen and Andrew McNab 1 > > Colin McNab, of Brock, widower, to Catharine McCuaig, of Thorah. 30 Mar. > 1853. Rev. McMurchy 1 > 1-The Marriage Registers of Upper Canada/Canada West - Colborne District, > 1841-1857.-jcs January 2003 > > McNab Donald Lyrabus Colin 21 Mar 1819 - unconfirmed Baptism > OPR- > > Brock township is south of Thorah. The villages of Woodville and Cannington > are nearby the McNabb farms as shown in the "Historical Atlas of Ontario - > Ontario County" > > John John, Would this Colin born about 1819 in Lyrabus be the one shown in that year and place in Ted Larson's extracts as baptized 21 March to Angus McNabb and Mary Campbell? If so, how do you know that he is the same one referred to by John Ramsey? And how do you know that he is the same one with the 2 marriages you list? I'm not asking this to be critical, but in the hopes of a "breakthrough" here. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Hi Carolyn I too have a Colin McNab but I don't have much on him. He was the brother of my great grandmother. He was born about 1819 in Lurabus, Islay. "Colin has married three times and has "very numerous family"" -John Ramsey of Kildalton Colin McNab, of Brock township, Home District, to Ann Campbell, of Eldon Twp., Colborne district. 4 Oct. 1849, by licence, Rev. MacMurchy. Wit. Colin McFadyen and Andrew McNab 1 Colin McNab, of Brock, widower, to Catharine McCuaig, of Thorah. 30 Mar. 1853. Rev. McMurchy 1 1-The Marriage Registers of Upper Canada/Canada West - Colborne District, 1841-1857.-jcs January 2003 McNab Donald Lyrabus Colin 21 Mar 1819 - unconfirmed Baptism OPR- Brock township is south of Thorah. The villages of Woodville and Cannington are nearby the McNabb farms as shown in the "Historical Atlas of Ontario - Ontario County" John

Dear John: I'm interested in your McNabb's in Brock twp- would that be Beaverton? Would your McNabb's be part of the group that had the Revere House? My Catherine McNabb was supposed to have a wealthy cousin in Beaverton- and I have wondered if it was the Revere House McNabb's. They lived near her nephew Alexander in Fenelon right after emigrating in 1871. Alexander was the son of Colin McNabb. Do you think there's a connection? Thanks. Carolyn

Hi Listers Could I make a plea to you to ensure that you put a Subject to your Postings; as most Spam filters will cull out e-mails where the Subject is left blank. It also makes problems for the List to file your e-mail without a Subject. Remember that postings are linked by Subject in the List Archive. Thanks Les

Vicky, Edward, Ken et al. I am finally reviewing the flurry of August e-mails concerning the Calder-McNab(b) families. My hypothesis is that the connections between the "Thomas Calder - Catherine McNabb line (Mara Township); and (my line) Donald Calder, son Alexander Calder-Elizabeth McNabb line (Thorah Township-Beaverton) is likely in the previous (Islay) generation. There are too many similarities in Islay location, dates, first names, emigration destinations (North Carolina-Ontario) for it to be coincidental. There was never any connection mentioned of the Thomas Calder family in our family and there are no longer any living relatives that could shed any light on this. My Calder line emigrated to NC in about 1818 and Donald (spouse Isabella Campbell & son Duncan) left for Thorah Twp (Beaverton) with "the McMillan's and McFadden's and other natives of the Isle of Islay, Scotland," (Historical Atlas of Ontario-Thorah twp-1871). Son Alexander left Fayetteville NC for Beaverton in 1830. Vicky, I was surprised to read about "black Mary" in your e-mail. This was always a Calder family legend. I believe my grandmother had met her. Edward, you mentioned that you thought that "Duncan Calder" had arrived as an adult to NC. Alexander's brother Duncan came to the Charlotte area (from Beaverton) in the late 1870's with a daughter -Annie McMillan- following Duncan's wife's death. He died there shortly afterward. There are many McMillan descendents in the Charlotte area. My McNabb connection didn't come to Ontario until the 1850's from Islay. They settled in Brock Township. I understand there is McNabb's still living in that area. Please contact me and I will try to provide details. John Stanyon Sudbury ON

Celia, Did you write down any info on a John MacDougall and a Mary MacDermid while at the cemetary at the Round Church? Christine Harenberg Geary mail <celia_geary@infogen.net.nz> wrote: I have been all around that graveyard by the round church at Bowmore. There were some fallen stones but not many, and I agree that most are later stones and include people who died before 1870 in some cases. It is a well laid out cemetery but I was only looking for McDougalls or Browns at the time. I did notice a multiple grave for some men who died in a boating tragedy. I found it a peaceful place and just loved the whole ambience of all of Islay. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Campbell" To: Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Pictures of Islay - September, 2006 > Thanks Nancy MacLarty for your Islay photos. I doubt if I'll ever get there > so I really appreciate the photos you and others have put on websites. > Otherwise I would only ever have seen the views connected with commercial > sites. I look at all the photos very closely. They have given me a good idea > of the area some of my ancestors lived in. > > I am curious about the gravestones/monuments in the Round Church churchyard > at Bowmore. A recent answer to a posting on the Renfrew mailing list by > Nivard Ovington suggests that gravestones generally 'were for the somewhat > better off'. I can understand that particularly in the industrial and mining > areas of Renfrew and Lanark where incomes were poor for many people. > > However, many of the gravestones/monuments shown in the churchyard at > Bowmore are more than simple headstones. They are substantial monuments > which must have cost a bit. Who would they all be for? Former businessmen? > Farmers? Would the cost have been a great burden on families? Was there a > loss of face issue if a substantial monument was not erected? Were the > monuments made on Islay or brought from somewhere else? None appeared to be > leaning over as happens in other old cemeteries. > > Perhaps other listers may be able to explain. > > Robert Campbell in Brisbane > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.3/473 - Release Date: 10/12/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-ISLAY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message