Hi Nolene, Dougald and all - If anyone has any leads on the Calders/ MacCalders, I would very much like to hear from you. On Mar 15, 2010, at 3:26 AM, Nolene wrote: > > Malcolm bap 1 Jun 1817 Kildalton married Margaret/Peggy CALDER - stayed on > Islay until at least 1861 census. Regards Jeanette MacArthur Scott The Scotts at Douglas Bay <[email protected]>

Hi Jeanette, Charles Muir and his wife Catherine are in the 1841 census: Transcription of the 1841 Census of Oa, Islay, Scotland, LDS film 101813 Oa 152 9 Kintra Charles Monie Male 60 Hand Loom Worker ARY Oa 152 9 Kintra Catherine Monie Female 66 ARY Oa 152 9 Kintra Robert Monie Male 24 Hand Loom Worker ARY Oa 152 9 Kintra Malcolm Monie Male 23 Tailor ARY Oa 153 9 Kintra John Monie Male 35 Ag. Lab. ARY Oa 153 9 Kintra Marion Monie Female 28 ARY Oa 153 9 Kintra Charles Monie Male 5 ARY Oa 153 9 Kintra Neil Monie Male 6 Mo ARY Oa 153 9 Kintra Ann Monie Female 3 ARY So it was sometime after that he went to Canada. It's possible he came with Hugh McArthur and Jane McNabb about 1845. I never heard the story that Catherine died at sea. There is a story that Ann Muirs's son Charles was sick on the voyage and was encouraged by fellow passengers to toss him overboard. She didn't. Dougald -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeanette Scott Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie marr 1848 to Margaret McCuaig Hi Dougald - Have you found documentation on this? I had always assumed that Charles came to Canada with Peter and Ann and the children. Was there not some story that suggested that Catherine had died aboard ship? Jeanette

I am trying to contact Ronald Bell, Gourock, Scotland - we share the same (above) great-great grandfather. We met several years ago, but I lost contact details other than [email protected] which is no longer working. The list is my last hope! Freddie Bell, Port Ellen, Islay

Hi Donald McArthur, As you can see your? Archibald MacArthur was resident and registered at Avinlussa up to the 1811 Rental but is no longer registered in the 1828 Rental which bears out your suspicions of an emigration in 1820. AVINLUSSA meaning Salmon River. NGR : NR 3512 : 5815 Authorities in 1878 were : Reverend John McGilchrist, minister, Bowmore- Mr John McLennan, Farmer, Avinlussa - Mr Donald Sinclair Esq Teacher, Gartachossan (Fraser C/A) Avenlussa, a farm, is named from the river of that name. Lussa, written 'Lassy' in the 16th century is a softening of the Norse 'Laxa' meaning a Salmon river. 'A'. Having lost its meaning with the Gael, 'amhuinn' has bee prefixed, so that Avenlussa, when translated is Salmon-river River. Applies to a Farmhouse and Offices built of Stone and thatch, situated about 3 miles South East of Bowmore and the same distance immediatlely South East from Bridgend (B of N 40/p86) 1654 Rental of Awin lossa is waste. 1686 Rental of Awinlossor to Archibald Campbel Set to. - £36 13s 4d Beir & Meill half 1733 Rental 18 part land of Averlusse to Duncan McVicar 4', Neil McNokard 4', Donald McLugish 5-1/3rd', Duncan McIntyre 2-2/3rds', Old Rent £45 00s 00d, New Rent £60 00s 00d, Gressum Sterling £10 00s 00d, New Rent Sterling £5 00s 00d, Stotts 1/2. 1741 Rental of Averlussa to William Campbell in Kilkerran £5. 11s. 00d for 18 part land. 1745 July 8th Reported that there are a great deal of thefts committed in this countrie and Duncan McIntyre in Talent and Archibald Campbell in Mulindry to search Mulindry, Talent, Avinvoggy, and the 2 Killinans, Sliath Avinlussa & Torra. That they are to secure every person in whose family or possession stolen goods are found and commit them to Kilarrow Prison and secure all their effects and tha they call for assistants and such as refuse to report the same, who are to be fyned in £10 for each refusal and deemed dishonest. Signed by Duncan Campbell at Shinderline. 1749 McDougall Survey of Avinlussa 75 arable acres, 684 heathy pasture acres. 1779 Rental of Avenlussa 1774 Crop Rent £8 10s new Rent £28 6s to Gilbert McArthur. 1799 Rental £45 00s 00d of Avinlussa, Avonvogie with Glenmolachan to Archibald McArthur & others. 1811 Rental of Avinlussa to Peter McArthur snr and jnr, Archibald McArthur, Duncan McMillan, George McDearmid, Duncan Livingston, Duncan McIntyre, Gilbert Beaton and Archibald Gilchrist. 1828 Rental of Avinlussa to Donald McArthur, Niel McMillan, James & M. McDiarmid, Neil McIntyre and Alexander McIntyre. 1836 Rental of Avinlussa to James McDearmid, Malcolm McDearmid, Gilbert McInnes and Charles McArthur. 1841 Census registers 6 families/houses occupied at Avinlussa. Duncan McArthur, James McDermid, Gilbert Angus & Kenneth Clerk farmers. 1848 Rental of Avinlussa to James M'Dermid £13.0s.0d., Malcolm M'Dermid £13.0s.0d., Gilbert M'Innes £13.0s.0d., Charles M'Arthur's heirs £13.0s.0d., 1833 for 17 years till 1850. 1851 Census registers 2 families resident at Avenlussa, Margaret Smith and Malcolm McDairmid tenant of 14 acres. 1851 Census registers a further 4 families resident, 3 farmers, John McArthur, James McDermid and Ronald McArthur. 1876-7 Rental of Avenlussa to John McLellan £20. No 8625. 1878 Ordnance survey names Mr John McLennan, Farmer, Avinlussa as an authority 1889 Archibald McLugash, tenant farmer, Avenlussa (Register of voters for the County of Argyll 1889-90). Regards Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don McArthur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 4:19 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Book of Names > Hi Roger McWee, > What does the Book of Names have to say about Avinlussa? I am trying > to establish if my Archibald MacArthur came from there to Caledon, > Ontario in 1820. > Thanks so much for all your help. > > Don > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have not checked it myself, but have a note that someone else found Charles and Catherine in the 1841 census at Kintra, Oa Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeanette Scott Sent: March 14, 2010 1:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie marr 1848 to MargaretMcCuaig Hi Dougald - Have you found documentation on this? I had always assumed that Charles came to Canada with Peter and Ann and the children. Was there not some story that suggested that Catherine had died aboard ship? Jeanette On Mar 13, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Dougald MacArthur wrote: > Archibald's father joined his daughter Ann at Eldon Township sometime after 1841. The Scotts at Douglas Bay <[email protected]>

Hi Dougald - Have you found documentation on this? I had always assumed that Charles came to Canada with Peter and Ann and the children. Was there not some story that suggested that Catherine had died aboard ship? Jeanette On Mar 13, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Dougald MacArthur wrote: > Archibald's father joined his daughter Ann at Eldon Township sometime after 1841. The Scotts at Douglas Bay <[email protected]>

Hi Sue, Have your checked Victoria County records? Archibald's father joined his daughter Ann at Eldon Township sometime after 1841. I doubt that Archibald and Margaret were at Eldon but there were plenty of Muirs in Ontario. Or you could look in the area of Kilmartin on the mainland. Dougald Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie marr 1848 toMargaret McCuaig Hi again Dougald It's interesting that neither Archibald Moanie/Monie/Mooney/Muir nor Margaret McCuaig can be found on Islay in the 1851 census after their marriage intent was retracted. Sue

Hi again Dougald It's interesting that neither Archibald Moanie/Monie/Mooney/Muir nor Margaret McCuaig can be found on Islay in the 1851 census after their marriage intent was retracted. Sue There is an entry in the parish records, a proclamation, dated March 6, 1848, that Arch Muir and one Margaret McCuaig intended to marry but this was "Retracted"

Hi Sue I have the following Archibald MOANIE/MUIR in my family - he was the brother of one of my ancestors. I do not have any children for him but I have the marriage and his parentage etc. Give me a shout if that will help and I can send you the full Family Report offline Best rgds Nolene Lossau Johannesburg

Thank you Dougald. That saves more fruitless search in the records and explains why I couldn't find them in the 1851 census. Also thank you for the Moanie/Monie/Moonie = Muir. I've added this to my list of alternative names. Cheers Sue Visser

This is really important. Would it be possible for you to send me a photo copy of the Original so I can cast my eye on it. You dont want to be heading down the wrong road. McEwens and McQueens are undoubtedly Islay names in the 19th century. Regards Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Clarke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] SCT-ISLAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 48 > Hi Roger - My details are from the OPR, but looking back at this, I can > well see how it could be interpreted as Beatrix McQueen rather than > McEwen. The date is 29-Jan, so undoubtedly the same marriage. > > I still think the 3rd letter looks more like an 'E' rather than a 'Q'. > Are either McEwen or McQueen known Islay surnames? > > Regards, > > David Clarke. > >> Hi David >> I have only seen a transcription of the Marriages which states 1780 Neil >> McDiarmid married Beatrice McQueen on the 29th January Kilarrow parish, >> is >> your data direct from the manuscript? >> Regards Roger > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Fiona, I think we have communicated on your Donald before, here is an extract from the Book of Names 1878 which explains your farms. Also a breakdown of your Donald, let me know if you agree ? Regards Roger Coillabus -Applies to a farm house and steading situated a short distance North East of the Manse and 1-1/2 miles North East of Kinnabus (B of N 35/p152) Kinnabus - Applies to a farmhouse with outbuildings and garden attached, situated near the South end of the Oa a mile and half South West of the Church and about 6 miles South West of Port Ellen (B of N 35/p189) Giol - Applies to ruins nearly 1 mile South West of Lower Glenastle Loch and 1/2 mile North East of lower Killeyan (B of N 35/p144) Your Donald : 1781c Donald McCuaig was born a son of John McCuaig, Kildalton parish 1809 Donald MacCuaig married Cathrine MacEwen on the 14th March both of this parish Kildalton. 1809c John McCuaig was born a son of Donald McCuaig & Catherine McEwen, Kildalton parish. (possible?). 1812 Cathrine MacCuaig was born on the 5th July a daughter of Donald MacCuaig, Coclebus. 1817 Archibald MacCuaig was born on the 24th June a son of Donald MacCuaig, Coilebus. 1820 Duncan McCuaig (1) was born on the 5th April a son of Donald McCuaig, Coilabus and Catherine McEwen. 1825 Niel MacCuaig was born on the 18th August a son Donald MacCuaig & Catherine McEwen, Kildalton parish. 1826c Mary McCuaig was born a daughter of Donald McCuaig & Catherine McEwen. 1828 Rental of Killabus to Donald Calder, William Calder, John Calder and Donald McCuaig. 1829 Donald McCuaig was born on the 7th August a son of Donald McCuaig, Coilabus and Catherine McEwen. 1833 Duncan McCuaig (2) was born on the 1st January a son of Donald McCuaig, Coilabus and Catherine McEwen. 1835c Alexander McCuaig was born a son of Donald McCuaig & Catherine McEwen. 1836c Flora McCuaig was born a daughter of Donald McCuaig & Catherine McEwen. 1839 Census of the Farm of Coilabuss is Donald McCuaig Tenant and others. 1841 Census registers Donald McCuaig aged 60, Farmer married to Catherine McCuaig and resident at Coilabus. House Schedule No. The Oa 6. 1848 Rental of Killabus to William Calder's heirs £10.10s.0d., Thomas Calder £10.10s.0d., Donald M'Cuaig's heirs £10.10s.0d., 1833 for 13 years till 1846. 1854 Valuation of the Wood Department on the houses on the Farm of Callibuss possessed by the heirs of Donald McCoig and the property of Morrison Esq London. Note : In 1855 Catherine (McEwen) McCuaig's death certificate lists her surviving children as John (42), Catherine (40), Archibald (36), Nancy (30), Neil (28), Donald (26), Duncan (24), & Flora (18). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woolfenden Fiona" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Kintra and Giol > Roger > > > > Are Giol and Killabus/Coilabuss all names for the same place? And > Kinnabus? > > > > I'm descended from Donald McCuaig who was living at Coilabuss in the > 1841 census but had died by the 1851 census and the details I have > gathered from the census make me believe that he is the Donald McCuaig > mentioned in your email in 1848 (and earlier): > > > > Donald M'Cuaig ?11.13s.10d., 1833 for 13 years till 1846 now year to > year. > > > > Regards Fiona Woolfenden. > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Roger McWee, What does the Book of Names have to say about Avinlussa? I am trying to establish if my Archibald MacArthur came from there to Caledon, Ontario in 1820. Thanks so much for all your help. Don

Islay is now on Google streetview! Lagavulin distillery looks good. Funnily enough, the sun is shining in Bowmore, but not in Port Ellen. regards Seymour Hosking

Sorry Lynn, I can't pick up a connection here. The only connection to McArthurs is thru my Catherine Gilles family who married Donald McDermid. Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Lynn Seamark Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:04 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McDermid Peter Seeing that your McDermids are in Kilchoman - do you have any connections to Catherine McDermid married to James McArthur - aprox. 1770's. I descend from daughter Margaret McArthur b 1773 who married Gilbert Currie aprox. 1795 most likely Kilchoman. Margaret and Gilbert's daughter Mary Currie married John McDermid 1823, Kilchoman. Lynn (Your comment - I do not have any direct links to your McDermids that I can trace. My McDermids seem to all be Kilchoman. Thru our Gillies links in the 1700's there are links to McArthur, the names Donald and Catherine do appear in our line, ) ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4940 (20100312) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi David Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McDermid, I do not have any direct links to your McDermids that I can trace. My McDermids seem to all be Kilchoman. Thru our Gillies links in the 1700's there are links to McArthur, the names Donald and Catherine do appear in our line, the others do not seem to, however this is not to say they didn't at some stage, it is just often a clue. It is very hard to get any info prior to the late 1700's so prior to this I am sure there is a lot of connection between the McDermids but just impossible to tie up. They seem to be mainly in the parishes of Kilchoman, Kilarrow and Bowmore. Sorry can't help you further. Peter Tucker Seen several postings about McDermid (various spellings) recently, so does anyone have links with my McDermids. I have: Neill McDermid - born around 1760, probably in Islay. Married Beatrix McEwen on 29-Jan-1780 at Kildalton. Only have details of 1 child, who was: Peter McDermid, b.8-Jun-1797, Kildalton, who married Catherine McArthur 24-Sep-1820, Killarrow. They had: Ann, Margaret, Peter, Catherine, Donald, Rose & Sarah all born between 1822 and 1838, mainly in Kildalton. Ann is my main interest who married William Ramsay on 1-Jan-1848. The Ramsay family soon left Islay for Shotts on mainland Scotland. My wife is descended from them. So, any links/addtional info on these McDermids? Regards, David Clarke. ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4939 (20100312) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

He was actually Archibald Muir. (The English had a difficult time with spelling Gaelic names.) Archibald was a brother of my great grandmother. I had a lot of trouble identifying my ancestors until I discovered Monie is actually Muir. There is an entry in the parish records, a proclamation, dated March 6, 1848, that Arch and one Margaret McCuaig intended to marry but this was "Retracted" 1 Charles Muir b: 1776 d: 1866 in Eldon Twp, Victorian Co., Ontario .. +Catharine McNeill b: Abt. 1770 in Scotland d: Unknown in Unknown .. 2 Ann Muir b: 1797 in Balivicar, Kildalton Parish, Islay Scotland d: January 08, 1884 in Eldon Twp, Victoria Co., Ontario ...... +Peter McArthur b: 1797 in Tockmal,Kildalton Parish, Scotland d: August 12, 1888 in Eldon Twp, Victoria Co., Ontario .. 2 Mary Muir b: 1800 in Cornabus, Kildalton, Islay, Inner Hebrides, Scotland ...... +William McVorran b: Abt. 1800 .. 2 John Muir b: 1803 in Cornabus, Kildalton, Islay, Scotland d: 1886 in Islay, Scotland ? ...... +Marian McMillan b: 1815 in Islay, Scotland d: April 03, 1886 in Kildalton Parish, Islay .. 2 Robert Muir b: 1805 in Kintra, Kildalton Parish, Islay d: Bef. 1811 .. 2 Archibald Muir b: 1807 in Kintra, Kildalton, Islay, Inner Hebrides, Scotland .. 2 Catherine Muir b: Abt. 1809 ...... +Neil McInnes b: 1803 in Kilbride, Kildalton Parish, Islay .. 2 Robert Muir b: 1811 in Frachel, Kildalton, Islay, Scotland ...... +Mary McDougall b: Abt. 1820 .. 2 Charles Muir b: 1813 in Frachel, Kildalton, Islay, Inner Hebrides, Scotland ...... +Catherine McCauig b: Abt. 1825 .. 2 Malcolm Muir b: 1817 in Kintra, Kildalton, Islay, Inner Hebrides, Scotland ...... +Margaret Calder b: Abt. 1820 Dougald MacArthur -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sue Visser Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:03 PM To: ROOTSWEB - ISLAY LIST Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie marr 1848 to Margaret McCuaig Does anyone have any information on Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie or other spellings who married Margaret McCuaig 6 Mar 1848, Kildalton? Thanks Sue Visser -------------------------------

Does anyone have any information on Archibald Maunie/Monie/Moonie or other spellings who married Margaret McCuaig 6 Mar 1848, Kildalton? Thanks Sue Visser

Hi Roger - My details are from the OPR, but looking back at this, I can well see how it could be interpreted as Beatrix McQueen rather than McEwen. The date is 29-Jan, so undoubtedly the same marriage. I still think the 3rd letter looks more like an 'E' rather than a 'Q'. Are either McEwen or McQueen known Islay surnames? Regards, David Clarke. > Hi David > I have only seen a transcription of the Marriages which states 1780 Neil > McDiarmid married Beatrice McQueen on the 29th January Kilarrow parish, is > your data direct from the manuscript? > Regards Roger

Hi, Thanks for your comment which I used to connect two generations in my database. Still far too many Campbell's. Lorne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Colin Marion Sinclair > Hi Lorne, Colin's Mother was Catherine Campbell but his grandson didn't know Colin's father's first name when he reported Colin's death. He may not have been accurate about Colin's mother's maiden name. > Marion is daughter of Peter Sinclair and Ann Kinkland (My husband's > GGG Grandfather.)