Hugh Orr - are you still on the list? (former email address [email protected] ) If so, could you please contact me about the Manitoulin Orrs off list. genealgal2 at execulink.com Thanks Sue Visser

www.findagraveinscotland.com This new web site does not cover Islay at present, but it may be useful for seeking ancestors who moved from Islay to greater Glasgow area. It has been very useful to me re graves in Neilston Cemetery, but it requires that you put Barrhead in the search. Regards Johan L

Hi Toni, Going to stick my neck out.. As far as I can understand it looks as though the land mass of Dunyvaig and Lagavulin were one in the same, ie, Lagavulin taking over from Dunyvaig. I have the rentals of Dunyvaig running from 1614 through to 1741 and then Lagavulin rental running from 1733 through to 1914. The early period was obviously under the shadow of the Castle of Dunyvaig and it protectorate lands but the emphasis moved towards Lagavulin on its demise in history and over to Farming and Distilling. Let the arguments begin Regards Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toni Sinclair" <[email protected]> To: "Islay" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Dunnyveg & Lagavullin Can somebody set me straight, please? Is Lagavullin within Dunnyveg farm? In the 1686 tenant list (The Book of Islay), there an Upper and Nether Dunivig, and also the Miln of Dunuvig. There are also 2 cottages near Lagavulin. In 1722, it mentions Dunniveige and the Mylne of Dunniveig,, and the Court house of Laggavulline. In 1733, again Upper and Nether Dunuvig, plus Miln, plus 2 cottages near Lagavulin. However, on the map between pg. 552 and 553, it looks like the farm is Lagavullin, and there's only a drawing of a castle, with the name "Dunn..." at the most southerly side (facing the North Channel.) Anyone know? Toni _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes: Hotmail makes your day easier! Enter Now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729710 ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can somebody set me straight, please? Is Lagavullin within Dunnyveg farm?  In the 1686 tenant list (The Book of Islay), there an Upper and Nether Dunivig, and also the Miln of Dunuvig.  There are also 2 cottages near Lagavulin. In 1722, it mentions Dunniveige and the Mylne of Dunniveig,, and the Court house of Laggavulline. In 1733, again Upper and Nether Dunuvig, plus Miln, plus 2 cottages near Lagavulin. However, on the map between pg. 552 and 553, it looks like the farm is Lagavullin, and there's only a drawing of a castle, with the name "Dunn..." at the most southerly side (facing the North Channel.) Anyone know? Toni _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes: Hotmail makes your day easier! Enter Now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729710

Dear Ken This is a smashing piece of information with historical value, especially to your family. It is interesting to read how things in the 'old' country were viewed in 1913 by descendants from the 'new' world. Thank you for sharing it. Kind regards Melanie McKellar

Thank you so very much for sharing this poem with us! It's lovely. Toni > Ode to the MacDuffee Clan > > MacDuffee and McAfee we're all the same > Regardless of how you spell our name. > "Dark one of peace" so they say > Mermaids and fairies of yesterday. _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes to be won with Hotmail. Enter Here. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729709

Ode to the MacDuffee Clan MacDuffee and McAfee we're all the same Regardless of how you spell our name. "Dark one of peace" so they say Mermaids and fairies of yesterday. Kenneth MacAlpin is our king Descended from him, a legendary thing. Royal blood runs thru our veins Like the streams in Scotland after it rains. "Keepers of the Records of the Isles" Our Clan welcomes you with many smiles. You've heard "Every dog has its day" According to MacPhie of Colonsay. >From Bannockburn to Boyne defending our way Fighting Scots we are, mess with us - you'll pay. County Antrim and Derry, also our home Back and forth to the Inner Hebrides we roam. >From Colonsay to Islay, Jura and more To Ulster in Ireland on the Northern shore. Traveling over the oceans, leading the way To Canada, Australia and the USA. We love the bagpipes, from cradle to the grave We listen with pride to "Scotland, the Brave". We sharpen our claymores and prepare for war With Wallace and Bruce, we stand for more. Andrew is our greatest patron of the saints The blue sky is his canvass, a white saltire he paints. Wherever we may live, wherever we may roam We are one big family, we call Scotland our home. So here's to you and here's to me I hope we never disagree But if we do, I'll laugh with you Because we are of the Clan MacDuffee! Author - Jay McAfee Dedicated to the memory of my father, Jerry Ray McAfee b. February 2, 1934 d. June 1, 2002. Published in the Corncrake, April, 2010. http://www.colonsay.org.uk/corncrake/cornb223.html _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5

Right you are Laurie Bell Harron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert McArthur" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] The BOOK! >I think what the OP meant was that the large number of "I have received the > book" and "I have not received the book" emails are perhaps unnecessary. > > Robert > > Sharee Hughes wrote: > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] The BOOK! > > What makes this book "off topic/" It is a book of the history of Islay, > with much information pertinent to our search for family. > > Sharee > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What makes this book "off topic/"  It is a book of the history of Islay, with much information pertinent to our search for family. Sharee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gord Calder" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:29:53 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] The BOOK! Hi Folks, When will the ''off topic'' book messages stop?? Webmaster?? Thanks, Gord ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think what the OP meant was that the large number of "I have received the book" and "I have not received the book" emails are perhaps unnecessary. Robert Sharee Hughes wrote: Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] The BOOK! What makes this book "off topic/"  It is a book of the history of Islay, with much information pertinent to our search for family. Sharee

I haven't received mine yet, hopefully next week. Val Sunshine Coast -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David McArthur Sent: Thursday, 20 May 2010 7:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Off topic The Book Of Islay. Not in Australia yet. David McArthur >>> Geri <[email protected]> 20/05/2010 9:20 am >>> Evening: Did all the people who ordered the Book Of Islay for Canada receive their book? If so when did you get it? Sincerely: Janet Chubb ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au/tt ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2857 - Release Date: 05/06/10 06:26:00

Hi Folks, When will the ''off topic'' book messages stop?? Webmaster?? Thanks, Gord

Hi everyone, Before I get my teeth into the new "Book of Islay", I wanted to finish another that I started earlier, called "The Crofter and the Laird" by John McPhee. ISBN 0-374-51465-8, published by Farrar Straus Giroux, New York. What a lovely read! John McPhee's ancestors left the Island of Colonsay in the mid 1850's, and although his American ancestors and relatives never returned, "just the name of the island seems to set off in virtually all these people, who now live anywhere between the oceans, some sort of atavistic vibration, and all they really have in common is the panoptic glaze that will appear in their eyes at the mention of the word "Colonsay." He decided to take his family from the comforts of New York City to live for a while on Colonsay. He writes humourously about the characters he encounters, the myths and legends of old, the situation that the dwindling population are finding themselves in, their complaints and criticisms of the laird, and vice versa. Both sides have merit! [The laird was then the 4th Baron Strathcona, the 1st being Donald Smith, a Scot of lowly birth who made a big name for himself in Canada, first with the Hudson's Bay Company, later becoming High Commissioner for Canada, and a founding director of the Canadian Pacific Railway [he drove the famous final spike that linked east and west]. By that time he was the richest man in Canada, and sought a peerage back in the UK, bought Glencoe, and later acquired Colonsay in much the same way that Campbell of Shawfield acquired Islay from the Cawdors.] As to the history of his surname, he writes "In its earliest Gaelic form, my own name - McPhee, that of Colonsay's original clan - was Mac Dubh Sith (pronounced like 'she'). The word 'dubh' means 'black,' and referred in part, to the characteristically swarthy skin of these early people of the island.....The parliaments of the isles were held on a small island in Loch Finlagan, on Islay, and at these councils - attended by the clan chiefs of the Hebrides and presided over by the Lord of the Isles - the chief from Colonsay [McPhee] kept a journal of what went on. He was the traditional secretary, recorder, scribe." I peeked into "The Book of Islay", and this claim is confirmed on page 450 "...MacFinnon was obliged to see weights and measures adjusted; and MacDuffie, or MacPhie of Colonsay, kept the records of the Isles." Any of you who are McPhee descendants, or have Colonsay in your history, or just want to know what life was like in the Hebrides around 1970, this is a must-read. Now, on to The Book of Islay! Toni _________________________________________________________________ 30 days of prizes to be won with Hotmail. Enter Here. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729709

That was a lovely read Ken, I have done as your ancesters did and was able to envisage it exactly, the only thing that has changed as far as I can see are the prices for the trips. Regards Roger

Well, now I'm very puzzled. My book arrived last week (May 18 or 19) by courier, because I understood that Canada Post wouldn't handle a parcel of that size. The cost of the courier delivery was almost as much as the book. How did you manage to get it delivered for "only" $10.02? Toni, in Ontario > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:13:05 -0600 > From: [email protected] > Afternoon: For Canadians only. > > I received my book just now and paid an extra $10.02 I have let Kevin know. > But the book is worth every cent. > > Janet Chubb _________________________________________________________________ Win a $10,000 shopping spree from Hotmail! Enter now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729711

John McVorran who married Unity (Una) Simpson - he is recorded as the tenant of Island farm, Kilarow 1774-80-99 Children: Dugal & John McVorran, B: Bowmore 1783 Jene (Jane) McVorran. B: Jura 1787?, D: 1862, Camden, NSW, Australia. In 1807 Jean married Donald McIndeor (McAlister). B: 1778?, D: 1835 and buried at Kilarow Cemetery. Donald and Jean continued as tenants of Island farm until his death in 1835. Jean, and almost all her children then packed up and moved to Australia, where they promptly changed the family name to McAlister. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARILYN FAVARO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:51 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McVorrans of Islay >I have a Margaret McVorran brn abt 1770, who married John Smith. 1841 >census, they were living in Upper Killean Oa. > Does anyone know or have an interest in the McVorran family? > > Marilyn > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The $10.02 was the custom and duty tax Canadians had to pay. Heather --- On Wed, 5/26/10, Toni Sinclair <[email protected]> wrote: From: Toni Sinclair <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] The Book Of Islay Off Topic To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 2:37 PM Well, now I'm very puzzled.  My book arrived last week (May 18 or 19) by courier, because I understood that Canada Post wouldn't handle a parcel of that size.  The cost of the courier delivery was almost as much as the book.  How did you manage to get it delivered for "only" $10.02?  Toni, in Ontario > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:13:05 -0600 > From: [email protected] > Afternoon: For Canadians only. > > I received my book just now and paid an extra $10.02  I have let Kevin know. >  But the book is worth every cent. > > Janet Chubb                           _________________________________________________________________ Win a $10,000 shopping spree from Hotmail! Enter now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9729711 ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have McVoran/McVorran/Morrisons. I can only go back as far as Jon (James) McVorran b. 1799 m, Cristian McFadyen. One fo their daughters was Margaret but born in 1836. If thats of any help -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MARILYN FAVARO Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McVorrans of Islay I have a Margaret McVorran brn abt 1770, who married John Smith. 1841 census, they were living in Upper Killean Oa. Does anyone know or have an interest in the McVorran family? Marilyn ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great-grandmother was born in Ontario, the grand-daughter of Duncan McNabb & Grace Morrison or McVoran of Ballechatrigin farm, Islay. In 1852 Duncan & Grace went with most of their children and grandchildren, together with several related families of McNabbs & Morrisons (and possibly others), to Ontario. In Ontario my great-grandmother married a recent immigrant from England. She had been raised on a farm in backwoods Ontario and he had been raised in small towns in Yorkshire by a policeman father, until his mother died when he was about 12 and was put out to be apprenticed. Neither had any luxuries in their early life, but managed after 3 decades of hard work in Ontario to have accumulated a comfortable nest egg. In 1913 they took a 6 month tour to Europe & the UK (a honeymoon delayed by 32 years). As part of this tour, they visited Islay and went to see my great-grandmother's cousins who were still living at Upper Killean. Following is my great-grandfather's diary entry for the days of their visit, with his spelling and grammar. I give the account above as background to his perceptions of life in Islay, remembering that he came from relatively poor circumstances himself and noting that the relatives he visited in England the week previous also lived in quite rough conditions. "1913, Saturday Sep 27: leave Glasgow at 8:20 for the Isle of Isla. Go through Paisley to Greenock, take steamer "Iona" for Tabot. "Queen Alexandra" leaves at the same time. She leaves us away behind. The weather is very thick. Our first call is Gouroch, Dunoon, Innelan, Rothesay, Colintram, Tioh-na-Bruaigh. Engines on boat 3 cylinders oscilating. Come to Tarbot, pay 1 penny to get off wharf, got on brake 8 pense each; it's raining good, the seats are wet and no cover on the rig, very pleasant. Arrive at Tarbot west, get on steamer "Pioneer", get dinner 2 Pounds-6s. Call at Gigha island (pronounced Geur) arrived at Port Ellen at 4:15, quite foggy. Put up at Isla Hotel, took a walk around the crescent - it is rather quaint but has modern conveniences but the little houses are very small. There has been several better houses built near the wharf. Also the hotel with a small garden in front with good edges of fuchias covered with flowers. Sunday morning we took a photo of the bay, drove up to MORRISONs about 7 miles. There is not a tree to be seen anywhere except some that have been planted around some few houses. We passed Ramsey's distillery just outside Port Ellen. Most of the island is very rough & not cultivated. There is lots of trees on the other side the island. There is nothing grown on the farms except oats, potatoes & turnips. Arrived at MORRISONs and had dinner then walked out to Mull of Oa & got some heather. It is a very rough coast - the most of the land is covered with heather. One would wonder how anyone could make a living. There is a school and church about 4 miles away. The girls were walking out to meeting. It must be an awful dreary country in the winter. We tried to get a photo of the folks but it was the Sabbath day and they could not stand it. However we took a snap at the house - it has been built the last few years so is some better than some of them. Some of the Cotters houses are awful places. The old lady thinks there is no place so nice as Isla. One point of the Mull of Oa is called Alth Calavan. The sheep are part of the farm are valued when going on the farm & when leaving. Peat is worth 3 to 4 shillings per load delivered 7 miles. The village of Port Ellen is built around a bay forming more than half a circle. The houses are mostly small & whitewashed, there are a few better ones and there is 4 churches and a Memorial hall & a police station & two fair hotels. In the evening a Mr. McDOUGAL called to see us. He has 3 sons in Vancouver & he is to give us their address. The island has 7,000 inhabitants and used to have over 20,000. There are a great many gone to Canada. Monday, Sept 29 - left Port Ellen at 9:30 by mail brake for Bow Moore, 10 miles. The country is very poor, all turf & not a tree to be seen. Arrive there about 11am; driver says "Ye'll a' be gettin' off here". We got off and he says "Ye'll a' be payin' me". We took in the town and had dinner at the hotel - 2d each. This is the capitol of the island, a quiet place, some poor houses - we saw into one with no floor. There is a small pier & 4 churches. We left Bow Moore at 1pm for Port Askaig. The country is much better - there is considerable good farming & lots of trees. It is a very pretty drive - we pass through Bridgend a nice little village. We saw an old fashioned reaper - one man driving and one pulling off with a rake and 8 husky men binding. It is about 10 miles - fare 2 shillings each. Arrive at Port Askaig about 3:15 - put up at the only hotel. Took a walk around the place. There is a torpedo boat lying off. The "Pioneer" came in about 5 pm & anchors out for the night. While we were at tea another torpedo boat came along past with searchlight. The island is about 30 miles across. Tuesday, Sept 30 - pay our hotel bill 9/6. Leave Port Askaig at 8:30; met Capt CAMPBELL of the "Iona" - he has a son at Vancouver with the McDOUGAL boys on 474 1/2 Keefer St. We call at Craighouse and at Gigah - arrive at Tarbot, have dinner 9d each. The day fine but cold - most all the grain is still out on these islands. Most of the people speak the Gaelic though they can speak English. English is taught in the schools and the children are not allowed to speak Gaelic in school. We arrive at Greenock at 5:45 and board train for Glasgow, arrived a little after 7." Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada

My Margaret McVORAN was married to Peter CURRIE, 24 Aug 1811. He left her behind while he and two sons came to Canada. See http://www.gencircles.com/users/gerodo1/14/data/247739 Peter was killed when he was felling trees in the 5 acre lots in Nottawasaga Twp., Simcoe County, Ontario, March of 1835. ********** A letter from Neil MORRISON contains the following quotation from Hunter's. History of Simcoe County; Peter CURRIE came with the first contingent of Islay settlers in the fall of 1834 but did not live long to see the growth of the settlement, having been killed by a falling tree in March 1835. The place, where the accident occurred was north of Duntroon on or about lot 26 concession 8 and his death was the first that took place in the new settlement. One of his sons John CURRIE afterwards settled on lot 35, conc. 12 and another James CURRIE on lot 38, conc. 10. ******** Malcolm Campbell