Celia, I have some records of the Rangiwahia and Kawahatau Mckinnons, I will look them out at the weekend. Margaret.

I'll see what I can do to find out about this branch of the family. I'll contact you off List .Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Celia > > All of the Islay McKinnon male descendants of Alexander and Hugh can be > accounted for save one. None of those for whom I have information live in > Taihape or Rangiwahia. > > However, Alexander (1835 - 1926) had a son John George McKinnon (1879 - > 1951) who may have had some falling out with his father perhaps over war > service (his two younger brothers Robert and Walter went to France). John > left Gore, Southland, moved to the North Island and didn't maintain much > contact with his family. He married Beatrice Madeline Swan in 1915 and > spent > most of his life in Harewa, Taranaki working as a clerk. He and Beatrice > had > two children a boy and a girl who must have been brought up in Hawera but > as > yet I've not dug out their names. No McKinnon's were living in Hawera in > 2008 when I started to take an interest in family history and I didn't > follow the matter up. > > These two children, on the death of their bachelor Uncle Alexander (1875 - > 1953) who had not left a will, inherited the family farm Whiterig in east > Gore. Although the will was contested by other relatives the court decided > that the estate should pass to John's children. They sold the farm. At > that > time Gore was one of the most prosperous farming areas in New Zealand and > it > would have set them up pretty well to buy a farm elsewhere. > > Maybe the McKinnon's at Taihape or Rangiwahia know this story and make up > (for me!)the missing branch of the family? I can't do any better than > this. > Cheers, > Another John! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Celia Geary > Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 9:46 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > > Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the > North > Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between > those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a > McKean.I've > often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > > >> Dear All >> >> >> >> I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - >> 1919) >> met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me >> whether >> the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of >> Tarbert, >> Argyll? >> >> >> >> My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable >> record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded >> in >> the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in >> Kynagarry >> under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead >> by >> 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked >> as >> a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I >> don't >> know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's >> four >> sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) >> and >> Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, >> all >> but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The >> two >> younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh >> most >> probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police >> inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was >> good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in >> Southland. >> >> >> >> You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and >> Hugh >> had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New >> Zealand? >> Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - >> 1907) > >> a >> couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this >> arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland >> or >> was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had >> been >> working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant >> in >> Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established >> relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels >> Dugald >> and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively >> lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their >> families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that >> between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid >> thirties? >> >> >> >> >> Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field >> with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter >> frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite >> remarkable >> that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, >> mother >> and wife it must have been extremely difficult. >> >> >> >> I hope somebody in the Islay network can help >> >> Sincerely >> >> John McKinnon >> >> >> >> >> >> 48 Ferry Road >> >> Days Bay >> >> Wellington 5013 >> >> New Zealand >> >> >> >> Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 >> >> Mobile +64 21 1350103 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor >> netiquette. 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Celia All of the Islay McKinnon male descendants of Alexander and Hugh can be accounted for save one. None of those for whom I have information live in Taihape or Rangiwahia. However, Alexander (1835 - 1926) had a son John George McKinnon (1879 - 1951) who may have had some falling out with his father perhaps over war service (his two younger brothers Robert and Walter went to France). John left Gore, Southland, moved to the North Island and didn't maintain much contact with his family. He married Beatrice Madeline Swan in 1915 and spent most of his life in Harewa, Taranaki working as a clerk. He and Beatrice had two children a boy and a girl who must have been brought up in Hawera but as yet I've not dug out their names. No McKinnon's were living in Hawera in 2008 when I started to take an interest in family history and I didn't follow the matter up. These two children, on the death of their bachelor Uncle Alexander (1875 - 1953) who had not left a will, inherited the family farm Whiterig in east Gore. Although the will was contested by other relatives the court decided that the estate should pass to John's children. They sold the farm. At that time Gore was one of the most prosperous farming areas in New Zealand and it would have set them up pretty well to buy a farm elsewhere. Maybe the McKinnon's at Taihape or Rangiwahia know this story and make up (for me!)the missing branch of the family? I can't do any better than this. Cheers, Another John! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Celia Geary Sent: Wednesday, 9 June 2010 9:46 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the North Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a McKean.I've often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Dear All > > > > I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - > 1919) > met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me > whether > the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of Tarbert, > Argyll? > > > > My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable > record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded in > the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in > Kynagarry > under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead by > 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked > as > a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I don't > know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's > four > sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) > and > Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, > all > but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The > two > younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh most > probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police > inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was > good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in > Southland. > > > > You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and Hugh > had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New Zealand? > Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - 1907) > a > couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this > arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland > or > was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had > been > working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant > in > Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established > relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels > Dugald > and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively > lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their > families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that > between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid thirties? > > > > > Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field > with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter > frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite > remarkable > that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, > mother > and wife it must have been extremely difficult. > > > > I hope somebody in the Islay network can help > > Sincerely > > John McKinnon > > > > > > 48 Ferry Road > > Days Bay > > Wellington 5013 > > New Zealand > > > > Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 > > Mobile +64 21 1350103 > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. 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Hi John, There are McKinnon's living in Taihape and Rangiwahia in the North Is. of New Zealand. Are they related to you? There is a connection between those McKinnons and my daughter-in-law, as a McKinnon married a McKean.I've often wondered if the McKeans were an Islay family too. Celia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McKinnon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] McKinnon's of Kynagarry > Dear All > > > > I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - > 1919) > met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me > whether > the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of Tarbert, > Argyll? > > > > My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable > record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded in > the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in > Kynagarry > under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead by > 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked > as > a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I don't > know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's > four > sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) > and > Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, > all > but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The > two > younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh most > probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police > inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was > good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in > Southland. > > > > You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and Hugh > had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New Zealand? > Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - 1907) > a > couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this > arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland > or > was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had > been > working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant > in > Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established > relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels > Dugald > and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively > lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their > families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that > between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid thirties? > > > > > Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field > with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter > frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite > remarkable > that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, > mother > and wife it must have been extremely difficult. > > > > I hope somebody in the Islay network can help > > Sincerely > > John McKinnon > > > > > > 48 Ferry Road > > Days Bay > > Wellington 5013 > > New Zealand > > > > Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 > > Mobile +64 21 1350103 > > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2924 - Release Date: 06/07/10 18:35:00

Dear All I'm trying to find out how my great grandfather Hugh McKinnon (1837 - 1919) met his wife Catharine Carmichael (1835 - 1907). Can anybody tell me whether the Carmichael's of Kynagarry were related to the Carmichael's of Tarbert, Argyll? My McKinnon forebears came from Kynagarry on Islay. The first verifiable record of their presence other than baptism & death records is recorded in the 1828 Blackbook in which they are listed as holding lot 250 in Kynagarry under the name Lachlan McKinnon (1769 - 1824). Lachlan was already dead by 1828 and the lease was inherited by his son John (1793 - 1860) who worked as a mason and ran it jointly with his brother Malcolm (1809 - 1876). I don't know exactly when the family was thrown off the land but all of John's four sons Donald (1824 - 1891), Lachlan (1826 - 1869) Alexander (1835 - 1926) and Hugh (1837 - 1919) born at Kynagarry ended up as young men in Greenoch, all but one in the Police Force (Alexander was briefly a prison warden). The two younger brothers emigrated to New Zealand. Alexander in 1862 and Hugh most probably in 1870, the year after his older brother Lachlan a police inspector was killed by a drunk on New Year's Day (1869). New Zealand was good to them and they eventually became reasonably successful farmers in Southland. You couldn't easily take up land in New Zealand without a partner and Hugh had either arranged this ahead of time or after he arrived in New Zealand? Anyway, in October 1871 Hugh (1837 - 1919) married Catherine (1835 - 1907) a couple of weeks after she arrived in Dunedin. How did they come to this arrangement? How did they meet? Was it arranged before they left Scotland or was Catherine a mail order bride? There is no correspondence. Hugh had been working in Greenoch and Catherine had been working as a domestic servant in Rothesay. I can only guess but there could have been a long established relationship between the Carmichael's and McKinnon's. The Carmichaels Dugald and Neil farmed land adjacent to the McKinnon's in Kynagarry respectively lots 248 and 249. Over the two generations they were neighbours had their families become quite close? Close enough to arrange a marriage like that between Hugh and Catherine when they were both were in their mid thirties? Given the conditions in which they lived, making a home on an open field with two young children in a tent, in an area subject to severe winter frosts and heavy winds and rain with next to no money, it's quite remarkable that they raised five children. You had to be tough and for a woman, mother and wife it must have been extremely difficult. I hope somebody in the Islay network can help Sincerely John McKinnon 48 Ferry Road Days Bay Wellington 5013 New Zealand Tel/Fax +64 4 5627138 Mobile +64 21 1350103

Welcome to this list, Natalie. It's the best! I realize that you might be away for a little while, but I'll send you what little I have, which you can mull over at your leisure: The Ann Sinclair who married Dugald Morrison was the daughter of Duncan Sinclair and Ann (aka Nancy) Kerr who married in Kildalton parish on the 3rd of Feb, 1820. She was baptised on the 8th of May, 1824, and died in 1855, at the age of 31. If anyone had to die, 1855 was a great year for it because this was the first year for death registrations, and a lot of information was given. Besides the names of the spouse and parents, it also supplied the names of her children, which were: Catherine age 8; Ann 5; William who died as an infant; and Archibald age 2. If you are interested, I can give you the names of Ann's siblings later. It's interesting to learn that her descendants ended up in South Africa, which I'll add to my notes. Thank you for that info! Toni Sinclair tracking all Islay Sinclairs > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:32:20 +0200 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] John MacTaggart son of Donald MacTaggart > > Yet another, McTaggart. > > I am a newcomer to this List. _________________________________________________________________ Look 'em in the eye: FREE Messenger video chat http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734386

Dear Listers, since my first post yesterday, I have had numerous e-mails in response. Many thanks for information, hints and even a photograph received. The forced school holidays start tomorrow and I am driving to Zimbabwe to fetch Dad, whilst there will hopefully have time to search the Bulawayo cemetery for some more clues. cheers all, Natalie Johannesburg

Hi Cathy - my very busy weekend is over. Four family birthday celebrations in one fell swoop and a surprise biggie for me :>)) Is your Mary Orr born 5 Jul 1825, Torra, Kilarrow parish, Isle of Islay, the dau of Duncan Orr and Ann/Nancy McQueen? Descendants of Duncan Orr 1 Duncan Orr b: Abt. 1791 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 30 Mar 1875 Egremont, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN . +Ann/Nancy McQueen b: Abt. 1801 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT m: 07 Jul 1817 BOTP; Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Donald Orr b: 07 Dec 1818 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 John Orr b: 26 Dec 1820 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: not with family in 1841 census ...... 2 Janet Orr b: 04 Apr 1823 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Mary Orr b: 05 Jul 1825 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Alexander Orr b: 01 May 1831 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 27 Jun 1916 Lefray Twp, Thessalon, Algoma Dist, Ontario, CAN .......... +Catherine Elizabeth Clarke b: Abt. 1841 SCT m: 01 Feb 1863 Mount Forest, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 24 Jun 1888 Bruce Mines, Plummer Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Ann Orr b: Mar 1864 Ontario, CAN .................. +Daniel Ferguson b: Mar 1857 .............. 3 Hugh Orr b: Abt. 1866 Ontario, CAN .............. 3 John Orr b: Abt. 1868 Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Christina Orr b: 28 May 1870 Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Duncan Orr b: 28 Mar 1872 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Donald Orr b: 10 Oct 1874 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Neil Alexander Orr b: 27 Mar 1877 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Malcolm Orr b: Abt. 1879 .............. 3 Still Born Orr b: 23 Jun 1881 Bruce Mines, Plummer Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Allan Orr b: 02 Mar 1882 Bruce Mines, Plummer Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 William Henry Orr b: 03 Jul 1884 Rydal Bank, Plummer Twp, Algoma Dist, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Catherine Orr b: Abt. 1888 Bruce Mines, Plummer Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN ...... 2 Allan Orr b: 15 Jan 1834 Bowmore, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 29 Apr 1911 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN .......... +Flora McCannell b: 22 Mar 1849 Glenelg Twp, Grey Co, Ontario CAN m: 14 Dec 1873 Priceville, Artemesia Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 30 Dec 1933 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Duncan Orr b: 05 Jan 1875 d: In 1933 in MB and died there .............. 3 Jennet Orr b: 04 Dec 1876 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .................. +John MacKay m: 21 Jun 1916 Thessalon .............. 3 Mary Anne Orr b: 02 Apr 1879 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN .............. 3 Alexander Orr b: 26 Nov 1881 Egremont Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: In 1933 in AB but died in BC .............. 3 Betsy Orr b: 27 Sep 1885 .............. 3 Flora Orr b: 22 Mar 1890 d: 1959 Buried Gordon Cemetery, Manitoulin, Ontario, CAN .................. +Robert Beaton ...... 2 Betty/Betsy Orr b: 03 Mar 1837 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT .......... +James McCannell ...... 2 Neil Orr b: 29 Aug 1843 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT I'm also willing to share. Sue Visser ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy McKey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] Duncan ORR married Ann McQUEEN > I'm descended from Mary (Anne) Orr who married Alexander Kerr in 1853 in > Scotland. They moved to grey County and had 9 children. I have all of her > info and pictures of her grave, as well as her parents' grave in Mount > Forest, ON. > > Willing to share info. > > Cathy > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yet another, McTaggart. I am a newcomer to this List. I am researching the family history of a shepherd named Donald MacTaggart born circa 1853 son of Dugald McTaggart and Bell (or Isabella) McKinnon. Donald was 28 when he married 7.7.1881 at Kildalton Anne Morrison born circa 1856 daughter of Dugald Morrison and Anne Sinclair. I got the details of their marriage from their son's birth certificate so I used that date to give me their parents names. >From the 1891 Census I found a shepherd named Donal McTaggart with his family all under the age of nine years, Dugald, Archibald, John, Alexander and Thomas with him is a sister-in-law named Catherine Morrison so that sort of fitted. Catherine could be Anne Morrisons sister, however she has a daughter named Euphemia with her so she may be a sister-in-law of Anne Morrison. Your comments please. Now, John MacTaggart born 30.5.1884 Kildalton came out to South Africa to fight in the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902 but to avoid being sent back to Scotland with the rest of the troops, changed his name to John Morrison (maiden name of mother) John worked as an engineer on a mine outside Bulawayo where he married in 1914 in Bulawayo, Rhodesia Annie Dick Kirkland born 1885 daughter of John Kirkland and Jane Dick who in turn were married in 1879 at Kilchoman. John and Annie had five boys one of whom now eighty-five, says one of the brothers Alexander owned the Pub, another worked at the Power Station and the third thinks perhaps Tom emigrated to Canada, there was only one sister. The family returned to Islay on several occasions once indicating Port Charlotte as their destination. I thought the names of their five boys John, Dugald, (so named after both maternal and paternal grandfathers) David, Ken and Alistair Donal just may be a clue to John's Uncles as I must admit I don't know a lot about Scottish naming paterns. These five lads started an Engineering firm in Rhodesia. I would like to make contact with anyone who recognises this family. Natalie da Silva Johannesburg, South Africa

Natalie, I don't know how the families on Islay kept track of who their relatives were! It seems they all used the same fore names in every family. My 3x grandfather was Colin Sinclair, his daughter Euphemia b. 1825, married John McTaggart. Of course they had children named John & Euphemia. The task of tracing my McTaggarts & Sinclairs has been a real challenge. I wish you luck, Joe Hay in VA, USA **************************************************************** > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:32:20 +0200 > Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] John MacTaggart son of Donald MacTaggart > > Yet another, McTaggart. > > I am a newcomer to this List. > > Natalie da Silva > Johannesburg, South Africa > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4

I don't know if this is of any help, Baptisms from Scotlandspeople for Alexander Smith & Mary McEachern, (the only marriage I found was in 1804!!! For Alexander Smith & Mary McEachern) 30/10/1822 SMITH MARGARET ALEXANDER SMITH/MARY MACEACHERN FR14 F KILCHOMAN /ARGYLL 540/ 0010 0016 31/12/1826 SMITH CATHARINE ALEXANDER SMITH/MARY MACEACHERN FR39 F KILCHOMAN /ARGYLL 540/ 0010 0064 20/05/1832 SMITH JANET ALEXANDER SMITH/MARY MCEACHERN FR57 F KILCHOMAN /ARGYLL 540/ 0010 0099 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MARILYN FAVARO Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Alexander Smith & Mary McEachren Alexander McKENZIE, 25, Islay, Esquesing, s/o Alexander McKENZIE & Mary McEACHREN, married Janet SMITH, 25, Islay, Erin, d/o Alexander SMITH & Mary McEACHREN, witn: Alexander McEACHREN of Caledon & Ann McLEAN of Erin, 21 Nov 1861 Does anyone have knowledge of Alexander Smith`s family line, his parents. Marilyn ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Natalie, Welcome to the Islay List! I have very little McTaggart info, but might be better able to help you with your Morrison side. Some of the Morrison names could match persons in my data, particularly Catharine and Euphemia. If you have any more details on the Morrison persons you mention, please forward it and I will have a close look to see whether I can match them and send you more data. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Natalie da Silva Sent: June 7, 2010 4:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] John MacTaggart son of Donald MacTaggart Yet another, McTaggart. I am a newcomer to this List. I am researching the family history of a shepherd named Donald MacTaggart born circa 1853 son of Dugald McTaggart and Bell (or Isabella) McKinnon. Donald was 28 when he married 7.7.1881 at Kildalton Anne Morrison born circa 1856 daughter of Dugald Morrison and Anne Sinclair. I got the details of their marriage from their son's birth certificate so I used that date to give me their parents names. >From the 1891 Census I found a shepherd named Donal McTaggart with his family all under the age of nine years, Dugald, Archibald, John, Alexander and Thomas with him is a sister-in-law named Catherine Morrison so that sort of fitted. Catherine could be Anne Morrisons sister, however she has a daughter named Euphemia with her so she may be a sister-in-law of Anne Morrison. Your comments please. Now, John MacTaggart born 30.5.1884 Kildalton came out to South Africa to fight in the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902 but to avoid being sent back to Scotland with the rest of the troops, changed his name to John Morrison (maiden name of mother) John worked as an engineer on a mine outside Bulawayo where he married in 1914 in Bulawayo, Rhodesia Annie Dick Kirkland born 1885 daughter of John Kirkland and Jane Dick who in turn were married in 1879 at Kilchoman. John and Annie had five boys one of whom now eighty-five, says one of the brothers Alexander owned the Pub, another worked at the Power Station and the third thinks perhaps Tom emigrated to Canada, there was only one sister. The family returned to Islay on several occasions once indicating Port Charlotte as their destination. I thought the names of their five boys John, Dugald, (so named after both maternal and paternal grandfathers) David, Ken and Alistair Donal just may be a clue to John's Uncles as I must admit I don't know a lot about Scottish naming paterns. These five lads started an Engineering firm in Rhodesia. I would like to make contact with anyone who recognises this family. Natalie da Silva Johannesburg, South Africa -------------------------------

> > 2. video of Islay in the 1960s (Sue Visser) > > > > Hi, last week in Canada we had a TV program called Islands of Britain. > There was a portion on Islay. There is a web site but I haven't been able to locate the program re Islay on the web site. http://www.itv.com/lifestyle/martinclunesislandsofbritain/default.html Of course the production of whisky was the main subject of Martin Clune's documentary. Ellen Sager

Well worth the 25 minutes of watching! http://www.islay.tv/videos/66/islay-docu-1960s A 1960s black and white tv programme from scottish television about life on Islay.

Alexander McKENZIE, 25, Islay, Esquesing, s/o Alexander McKENZIE & Mary McEACHREN, married Janet SMITH, 25, Islay, Erin, d/o Alexander SMITH & Mary McEACHREN, witn: Alexander McEACHREN of Caledon & Ann McLEAN of Erin, 21 Nov 1861 Does anyone have knowledge of Alexander Smith`s family line, his parents. Marilyn

Hi Roger, I saw that you have a copy of the rentals for Dunyvaig from 1614 - 1741 and also Lagavulin. Could you tell me if there is any mention of Johnston/ MacIain or Macdonald on the list? In particular is there any mention of a MacIain individual who is ,later,clearly identifiable as a Johnston? We met several years ago on Islay and you were just completing the graveyard surveys. It would be great if there was a link to my gtgtgtgt grandfather Ronald Johnston Tacksman of Corary who was buried against the chapel E wall of Kilnaughton and whose record of death I think you have ? Regards Val Macfarlane ( Johnston)

Daniel McArthur (b. 1741 on Islay) founded a huge clan. I estimate his descendents number somewhere around ten thousand. So it's not surprising that there are a few McArthur genealogists out there (some of them even on this list). We've always been unable to find anything about the Scots side of his life other than that he was born on Islay. Yesterday, a friend sent me some info she had acquired at ancestry.com. She told me that they were showing Daniel McArthur's father as John McArthur (b. 1719 Scotland; d. 1791 Scotland) and his mother as Jean Hair (b. 1 Jul 1722 Scotland; d. ca. 1795 Scotland). Unfortunately, no sources seem to be given. Does anyone have anything they might be able to add to this? (West Coast) Robert McArthur

Flora McCannell was my grandfather's sister ...I have her family names and a little bit of info ... Give me a bit of time and I will look it up for you Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Visser" <[email protected]> To: "ROOTSWEB - ISLAY LIST" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 8:09 PM Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Duncan ORR married Ann McQUEEN > Does anyone connect with this family? > > Descendants of Duncan Orr > > > > 1 Duncan Orr b: Abt. 1791 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 30 Mar 1875 > Egremont, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN > > . +Ann/Nancy McQueen b: Abt. 1801 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT m: 07 Jul > 1817 BOTP; Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT > > ...... 2 Donald Orr b: 07 Dec 1818 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT > > ...... 2 John Orr b: 26 Dec 1820 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT d: not with family in 1841 census > > ...... 2 Janet Orr b: 04 Apr 1823 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT > > ...... 2 Mary Orr b: 05 Jul 1825 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT > > ...... 2 Alexander Orr b: 01 May 1831 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of > Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 27 Jun 1916 Lefray Twp, Thessalon, Algoma Dist, > Ontario, CAN > > .......... +Catherine Elizabeth Clarke b: Abt. 1841 SCT m: 01 Feb 1863 > Mount Forest, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 24 Jun 1888 Bruce Mines, Plummer > Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN > > ...... 2 Allan Orr b: 15 Jan 1834 Bowmore, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: > 29 Apr 1911 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN > > .......... +Flora McCannell b: 22 Mar 1849 Glenelg Twp, Grey Co, Ontario > CAN m: 14 Dec 1873 Priceville, Artemesia Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 30 > Dec 1933 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN > > ...... 2 Betty Orr b: 03 Mar 1837 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT > > ...... 2 Neil Orr b: 29 Aug 1843 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, > Argyll, SCT > > > > Thanks > > Sue Visser > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm descended from Mary (Anne) Orr who married Alexander Kerr in 1853 in Scotland. They moved to grey County and had 9 children. I have all of her info and pictures of her grave, as well as her parents' grave in Mount Forest, ON. Willing to share info. Cathy

Does anyone connect with this family? Descendants of Duncan Orr 1 Duncan Orr b: Abt. 1791 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 30 Mar 1875 Egremont, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN . +Ann/Nancy McQueen b: Abt. 1801 Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT m: 07 Jul 1817 BOTP; Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Donald Orr b: 07 Dec 1818 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 John Orr b: 26 Dec 1820 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: not with family in 1841 census ...... 2 Janet Orr b: 04 Apr 1823 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Mary Orr b: 05 Jul 1825 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Alexander Orr b: 01 May 1831 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 27 Jun 1916 Lefray Twp, Thessalon, Algoma Dist, Ontario, CAN .......... +Catherine Elizabeth Clarke b: Abt. 1841 SCT m: 01 Feb 1863 Mount Forest, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 24 Jun 1888 Bruce Mines, Plummer Twp, Algoma District, Ontario, CAN ...... 2 Allan Orr b: 15 Jan 1834 Bowmore, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT d: 29 Apr 1911 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN .......... +Flora McCannell b: 22 Mar 1849 Glenelg Twp, Grey Co, Ontario CAN m: 14 Dec 1873 Priceville, Artemesia Twp, Grey Co, Ontario, CAN d: 30 Dec 1933 Gore Bay, Manitoulin, Algoma, Ontario, CAN ...... 2 Betty Orr b: 03 Mar 1837 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT ...... 2 Neil Orr b: 29 Aug 1843 Torra, Kilarrow Parish, Isle of Islay, Argyll, SCT Thanks Sue Visser