Murphy's Law of Genealogy 1. The public ceremony in which your distinguished ancestor participated and at which the platform collapsed under him turned out to be a hanging. 2. When at last after much hard work you have solved the mystery that you have been working on for two years, your aunt says, "I could have told you that". 3. You search ten years for your grandmother's maiden name to eventually find it on a letter in a box in the attic. 4. You never asked your father about his family when he was alive because you weren't interested in genealogy then. 5. The will you need is in the safe on board the Titanic. 6. Copies of old newspapers have holes occurring only on the surnames. 7. John, son of Thomas the immigrant whom your relatives claim as the family progenitor, died on board ship at the age of 10. 8. Your great grandfather's newspaper obituary states that he died leaving no issue of record. 9. Another genealogist has just insulted the keeper of the vital records you need. 10. The relative who had all the family photographs gave them to her daughter who has no interest in genealogy and no inclination to share. 11. The only record you find for your great grandfather is that his property was sold at auction. 12. The one document that would supply the missing link in your dead end line has been lost due to fire, flood, or war. 13. The town clerk to whom you wrote for information sends you a long handwritten letter which is totally illegible. 14. Your ancestors' name changed from county to county due to local accents, and according to whether or not the registrar could spell. 15. None of the pictures in your recently deceased grandmother's photo album have names written on them. 16. No one in your family tree ever did anything noteworthy, owned property, was sued or was named in a will. 17. You learn that your great aunt's executor just sold her life's collection of family genealogical materials to a dealer in his local pub. 18. Ink fades and paper deteriorates at a rate inversely proportionate to the value of the data recorded. 19. The 37 volume, 16,000 page history of your county of origin isn't indexed. 20. You evenutally locate your great grandparents' wedding record and discover that the bride's father was John Smith. 21. When, finally, you have a wonderful collection of ancestors and documents, you discover there was an alternative spelling for your father's hometown, and that he was adopted...

My thanks to various posters for their replies. I may now cast my net a bit wider. There is an answer to most questions - we just need to find it. I went to Islay last year for the first time. Can't wait to get back. A very special place. Felt I belonged there. Cheers JOHN SHAW AUCKLAND NZ.

To John Shaw According to the Gazetteer for Scotland Luing is an island which is part of "Kilbrandon and Kilchattan, a united parish in Nether Lorn district, Argyllshire, comprising the four preReformation parishes of Kilbrandon, Kilchattan, Kilbride, and Kilchoan. It comprehends a section of the mainland, with the inhabited islands of Seil, Luing, Easdale, Shuna, Torsay, and Inis Capel; contains the villages of Toberonichy, Ellanabriech, and Easdale, the last with a post and telegraph office under Oban; and enjoys communication by means of the Clyde and Oban steamers. It is bounded N by the Sound of Lorn, NE by the Sound of Clachan, E by Kilninver parish, S by the northern outlet of the Sound of Jura, and W by the Atlantic Ocean. Its length, from N to S, inclusive of intersecting sea-belts, is 10 miles; its breadth is 6 miles; and its area is 14, 457 acres, of which 996 ½ are foreshore and 746/7 water" For more information try: http://www.scottish-places.info/parishes/parhistory585.html Cheers John

Hi Sue, Thanks for the link to this very interesting article. In the photos, Mr. McPhee appears to be wearing the Dunlossit Estate tweed. Estate tweeds came about in the mid-19th century. The first true estate tweed was designed by Prince Albert himself for Balmoral, when he bought the Balmoral estate in 1848. It's appearance mimics the granite mountains of Aberdeenshire around Balmoral, and was designed to provide camouflage while stalking. Whether to camouflage the stalkers from the deer, or to camouflage the gamekeepers and ghillies from the stalkers (servants should not be seen!), is somewhat disputed! The Dunlossit tweed also mimics the colors of the Islay hills. It is a simple overall check of two shades of green with overchecks or red and blue. It is thought tohave been designed in the 1920s. The Islay Woollen Mill was leased by Mr. J.T. Christie at that time, and is assumed he was the designer. Mr Gordon Covell, the present mill owner could probably provide more information. I think it likely that the tweed is produced at his mill today for the estate. Ethically, only the estate owner and estate employees should wear the tweed, but in today's world of commerically letting stalking, some estates "permit" visiting stalkers to wear and/or own the tweed. Islay Estate and Ardtalla also have estate tweeds, and Laggan and Foreland may as well. As a weaver I find it all fascinating. Anyone who is smitten as I am can find more information in "Scottish Estate Tweeds," by E.P. Harrison of Johnstons of Elgin, a mill that for more than 200 years has designed produced many of the estate tweeds. Steffenie > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:19:02 -0400 > From: "Sue Visser" <[email protected]> > Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] estates, crofts, farms > > > There is an excellent article on Islay's estates, farms and crofts at > http://www.islayinfo.com/estates-on-islay.html > > Sue Visser > >

Ken Harrison, would you please contact me directly, off the mailing list. I'm searching for information on my gg grandparents, Duncan Cameron (b 1811) and Catherine Morrison (b 1813), both presumed to have been born on Islay. John Cameron Email: [email protected]

There is an excellent article on Islay's estates, farms and crofts at http://www.islayinfo.com/estates-on-islay.html Sue Visser

I am not a Calder descendant, However, I have the Simcoe family of William Calder & Isabella Fletcher in my family info. William Calder was b.1846 Coilabus, Islay m. Isabella Fletcher in Simcoe ON in 1873. William Calder d. in 1904 in Manitoba. children - Tom (b.1875) & Catherine (b.1876) in Ontario; and Alex (b.1880), Jack /John (b.1881) & Isabella (b.1886) in Manitoba. A few years ago, I corresponded with Ted Larsen about the Calder family. The remainder of my data was taken from Ted's data on-line. >From the marriage record of William & Isabella the parents of William are stated to be Thomas Calder & Cathrine Calder. Thomas Calder (b.1799, Islay) & Cathrine Calder children - John (1843), William (1846), George (1848), Flora (1850), Thomas (1857) Parents of Thomas Calder (1799 - 1867) appear to be William Calder & Catherine Bethune children Mary (b.1796), Thomas (1799), William (1811) Does anyone have any info on Cathrine Calder, wife of Thomas Calder (b. 1799) Islay? Thanks, Sheila

My 4g grandmother was Julia or Sheila Carmichael who married James Logan 1809 at Kildalton. They were at Ballivicar 1811. Children I know of were Duncan - Mary - Dugald - Flora. She probably died pre 1841. I have always assumed she was born Islay abt 1785 but never found a baptism. Now I see Carmichaels may have come over from Luing. Does anyone know which parish covers Luing? Any connections out there? JOHN SHAW AUCKLAND NZ.

Sandy Do you know the year in which the Carmichael's left Kynagarry? Do you know if they had Carmichael relatives in Tarbert? John

John, I can't add much for you, except for some "geography". I lived for a month in 1996 on Seil Island, a small island a few miles SW of Oban and separated from the mainland by a bit of ocean which can be jumped across at low tide near its northern point at the arched stone bridge built by Telfer at Clachan. Near the south end of Seil (which is about 10 miles long, as the crow flies), Luing lies off its eastern shore, separated from Seil by a very narrow pass about the same width as the one between Islay and Jura. The tide sweeps through this pass at up to about 10 knots almost all the time, first one way, then the other, with an extremely short "slack water" period. We took our car over on the small ferry -- an exciting ride! Luing is now populated almost exclusively by black cattle and their human tenders, and is about 2 miles long and 1 mile wide. Going back to Seil Island, there is a town on its east coast called Balvicar (close to Easdale on the west coast, site of the filming of "Ring of Bright Water", and formerly site of a large slate mine [now flooded] which provided slate for pavements and roofs all over the world). I mention this because of your reference below to Ballivicar. If you were not aware of this location, you might give it some thought. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Shaw Sent: July 21, 2010 3:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] Carmichaels on Islay My 4g grandmother was Julia or Sheila Carmichael who married James Logan 1809 at Kildalton. They were at Ballivicar 1811. Children I know of were Duncan - Mary - Dugald - Flora. She probably died pre 1841. I have always assumed she was born Islay abt 1785 but never found a baptism. Now I see Carmichaels may have come over from Luing. Does anyone know which parish covers Luing? Any connections out there? JOHN SHAW AUCKLAND NZ. -------------------------------

Ken I have had difficulty connecting my McNab's to present day families that are apparently still in the area. My Great Grandfather, Alexander Calder was married to: Elizabeth McNab: Born on the Oa, Islay about 1830; Died 16 May 1917, Beaverton, ON John Stanyon I assume that the Alex Calder you wrote about previously was married to one of the three daughters you list below. I would appreciate it if you would let us know which one. Ken Harrison

John, I had assumed that your Ggmother was the Elizabeth shown in your earlier posting, but didn't want to "lead" your response. I am trying to connect my own McNabbs in Islay and Ontario to this group and will get in touch with you when I have sorted things a bit. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Stanyon Sent: July 21, 2010 5:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] FW: CALDER families - Islay, Argyll to Ontario,Canada - prior to 1900 Ken I have had difficulty connecting my McNab's to present day families that are apparently still in the area. My Great Grandfather, Alexander Calder was married to: Elizabeth McNab: Born on the Oa, Islay about 1830; Died 16 May 1917, Beaverton, ON John Stanyon

John, Thank you for this information. I had been hoping someone would identify Donald McNabb as someone else I knew about, but now I have another new family to include in the huge jigsaw puzzle :-) I assume that the Alex Calder you wrote about previously was married to one of the three daughters you list below. I would appreciate it if you would let us know which one. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Stanyon Sent: July 20, 2010 1:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-ISLAY] FW: CALDER families - Islay, Argyll to Ontario,Canada - prior to 1900 Ken I have the following regarding Donald McNab: Birth Date: 1789 -Lurabus, Islay Death Date: 24 Mar 1880 - Brock Township (Ontario County) Married: 24 Dec 1817 - Kildalton, Islay To: Mary Campbell - (BD 1794) (Death 12 APR 1849 - Brock Township) Came to Canada about 1846 - acreage shown in Historical Atlas of Ontario 1870, near Cannington. Children: Colin,Catherine,John,Mary,Elizabeth Several items unconfirmed but death dates are confirmed. Hope this is of value Ken. John Stanyon -------------------------------

Hugh Carmichael was married to Mary McKay. As far as I can tell he came from the isle of Luing...father's name Archibald. His daughter, Anne...married by Great Great Grandfather Neil Campbell and the family moved to Glasgow On 20 July 2010 18:47, Sandra Carmichael <[email protected]> wrote: > Alan, > There were a lot of Hugh Carmichaels (!). I am a direct descendent of > a Hugh Carmichael, son of Duncan Carmichael & Isabelle Campbell, > farmers in Kynagarry and then other townships. Can you say more about > the relations of Hugh Carmichael of Scarabus? > > Sand > > On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Alan O'Donoghue wrote: > > > And on this topic, any newcomers related to Hugh Carmichael of various > > places, but notably Scarabus? > > > > Alan > > > > On 20 July 2010 05:47, John McKinnon <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Sandy > >> > >> Are you related to the Carmichaels on Islay who farmed in the > >> vicinity of > >> Kynagarry? > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > >> netiquette. Please don't do it. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.justgiving.com/alanodonoghue > > > > Collecting donations for the Anglo-Thai Foundation > > > > Supporting education in poor communities, providing hardship grants, > > supplying clean water etc > > > > Having the ATF symbol as a tattoo when reach target > > ------------------------------- > > > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.justgiving.com/alanodonoghue Collecting donations for the Anglo-Thai Foundation Supporting education in poor communities, providing hardship grants, supplying clean water etc Having the ATF symbol as a tattoo when reach target

Sandy Are you related to the Carmichaels on Islay who farmed in the vicinity of Kynagarry? John

Ken I have the following regarding Donald McNab: Birth Date: 1789 -Lurabus, Islay Death Date: 24 Mar 1880 - Brock Township (Ontario County) Married: 24 Dec 1817 - Kildalton, Islay To: Mary Campbell - (BD 1794) (Death 12 APR 1849 - Brock Township) Came to Canada about 1846 - acreage shown in Historical Atlas of Ontario 1870, near Cannington. Children: Colin,Catherine,John,Mary,Elizabeth Several items unconfirmed but death dates are confirmed. Hope this is of value Ken. John Stanyon

Alan, There were a lot of Hugh Carmichaels (!). I am a direct descendent of a Hugh Carmichael, son of Duncan Carmichael & Isabelle Campbell, farmers in Kynagarry and then other townships. Can you say more about the relations of Hugh Carmichael of Scarabus? Sandy On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Alan O'Donoghue wrote: > And on this topic, any newcomers related to Hugh Carmichael of various > places, but notably Scarabus? > > Alan > > On 20 July 2010 05:47, John McKinnon <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sandy >> >> Are you related to the Carmichaels on Islay who farmed in the >> vicinity of >> Kynagarry? >> >> John >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor >> netiquette. Please don't do it. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > http://www.justgiving.com/alanodonoghue > > Collecting donations for the Anglo-Thai Foundation > > Supporting education in poor communities, providing hardship grants, > supplying clean water etc > > Having the ATF symbol as a tattoo when reach target > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

And on this topic, any newcomers related to Hugh Carmichael of various places, but notably Scarabus? Alan On 20 July 2010 05:47, John McKinnon <[email protected]> wrote: > Sandy > > Are you related to the Carmichaels on Islay who farmed in the vicinity of > Kynagarry? > > John > > > ------------------------------- > > Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor > netiquette. Please don't do it. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://www.justgiving.com/alanodonoghue Collecting donations for the Anglo-Thai Foundation Supporting education in poor communities, providing hardship grants, supplying clean water etc Having the ATF symbol as a tattoo when reach target

Has anyone traced the deaths of all the passengers from the SS Damascus in 1862. Marilyn

Can anyone clearly identify the below "Donald McNab, who was formerly in Lurabus"? Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Stanyon Sent: July 19, 2010 11:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SCT-ISLAY] CALDER families - Islay, Argyll to Ontario,Canada - prior to 1900 John My Donald Calder and Isabella Campbell first came to North Carolina from Islay about 1818. They came from NC to Thorah Township (Ontario County) about 1828. "Alexander Calder, whose father, Donald Calder, came out from Oa about fifty to fifty-five years since to North Carolina, and then came to Canada. Alexander resided in Fayettville, N.C., for ten years, and then followed his parents to Canada, and has been a resident in Beaverton for forty years past. The father and mother, who are still living with their family, acquired land here when the township of Thorah was first opened up. Alexander is married to a daughter of Donald McNab, who was formerly in Lurabus. She is second wife, and has a family of a boy and four girls, the eldest about 12 years of age. He has one boy by his first marriage. He owns 120 acres near this town and 100 acres about a mile further off, and is in comfortable circumstances; having no thought of the old country, though he likes to hear of it and to see anyone who, like myself, knows his relatives and friends. When he came here there was no cleared land around Beaverton." John Ramsey of Kildalton - Freda Ramsey - Peter Martin and Associates Notes from his diary of a trip to Canada in 1870 to visit emigres from Islay. "Intrepretation of this means that Donald Calder came out from Islay 1815-1820 to North Carolina. (1818 - The Beaverton Story - page 13) Donald Calder came to Beaverton in 1828 (page 13 - The Beaverton Story). Alexander remained in Fayettville (Cumberland County) North Carolina until 1830. He came to Beaverton about that time." This Donald Calder is my Great-great grandfather. If this is the Donald Calder you are interested in I have lots of other information about the Calder's of Beaverton and Thorah township. John Stanyon "Old Ontario County Family #3 Donald Calder & Isabella Campbell Origin: Isle of Islay, Argyll County, Scotland Year of Immigration: 1827" ------------------------------- Quoting the entire text of a previous message in a reply is poor netiquette. Please don't do it. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message