Al, In the 1841 +1851 census we could not find them as "McDonald" and there were 2 extra members of the "McDonald" family we thought we had were not the Macissacs we found. We thought we had a few extra. So she just happened to mention she had found a family with similiar, but not the exact names in the 1851 census. It was copied and sent to me, so I insisted she go back to the 1841 census, and there they were again. Macisaac's were the traditional Bailiffs for Clan Ranald and it was considered an honour to be asked into the Clan to change their name. All of the 5 McDonald's who lived in the Kylesmore Property as part of the Kinlochmoidart estate were McDonald", so I believe it would have been comfortable for them to change their name. Also the voyage, and Clannish nature of the move they were all taking, I feel they may have felt a bit closer to the other 5 McDonald Families from Kylesmore that left with them. Overall the family adds up as they all named their properties in Victoriia and NSW "Glen Moidart", and I hope to be changing my name back to Macisaac... Don't worry it was a shock to us, believe you me... Story and facts below.. _________________________________________________________________________ +Sometime in 1852 before the Macisaac's left Scotland, they changed their name to McDonald and left for Geelong, Victoria on the "Allison" with the Highland and Island Emigration Society. _____________________________________________________________________________ 1841 Census Ardnamurchan, Acharacle, Inverness (Taken, 7 June 1841) Address, Kylesmore (Acharacle) 1/2 acre Crofter - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Angus MacIsaac age 45, Agricultural labourer, born in the county ..b1795c Mary MacIsaac age 40, born in the county ...................................b1799c, (McDonald) John MacIsaac age 15, born in the county ....................................b1822c Roger (sic) MacIsaac age 15, born in the county ...........................b1824c Mary MacIsaac age 12, born in the county ....................................b1830c Duncan Macisaac (See Below) b1831 Donald MacIsaac age 7, born in the county ....................................b1834c John MacIsaac age 5, born in the county .......................................b1836c Catherine MacIsaac age 2, born in the county ................................b1839c ___________________________________________________________________________ 1851 Census Ardnamurchan, Acharacle, Moidart, Inverness-shire (Taken 30th March 1851) Address, Kylemore (Acharacle) 1/2 acre Crofter - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Angus McIsaac age 63, Agricultural labourer, born in the county ...........b1795c Mary McIsaac age 52, born in the county ............................................b1799c, (McDonald) John McIsaac age 28, born in the county ... .......................................b1822c Rodrick (sic) McIsaac age 26, born in the county .. ...............................b1824c Mary McIsaac age 21, born in the county ............................................b1830c <(Donald McIsaac age 17, born in the county missing from household....b1834c> John McIsaac age 14, born in the county .............................................b1836c Catherine McIsaac age 12, born in the county .......................................b1839c Ronald McIsaac age 9, born in the county .............................................b1842c __________________________________________________________________________ The Roman Catholic Baptismal Register of Mingarry in Moidart, first recording, 1829. __________________________________________________________________________ 1) "John McIsaac, born 19 March 1836, the lawful child of Angus McIsaac and of Mary McDonald, Kylesmore, was baptised by me 21 March 1836; sponsor was John McDonald, Merchant Kylesmore Alexr. McDonald Priest" 2) "Ranald lawful son of Angus McIsaac and Mary McDonald, Caolas, born 17 Augt 1841 was baptised by me on the 18th, ditto, Sponsor was John McDonald, Dorlin (?) Ranald Rankin (priest)" Portphilip 1852 3) "Catherine lawful daughter of Angus McDonald and Mary McDonald, Caolasmore was born on 11 November and baptised 20th November 1838, Sponsors Archy and Ann McDonald, Glenuig" ___________________________________________________________________________ 1831 4) "April 10, I have this day baptised Duncan MacIsaac, born same day the son of A----- MacIsaac and Mary McDonald his wife residing at Kylesmore, Allan MacDonald residing at Kylesbeg being Sponsor" ___________________________________________________________________________ At 04:38 PM 6/28/00 -0400, you wrote: >Peter: if the researcher was a volunteer, and not for profit, then I >would not be too concerned...but there are a lot of suspicious >characters lurking about now. Just ask your self why would anyone want >to change their surname, that radically. > >A bit more research on your own of the times and the character of the >notables of the times may shed some light on this. They did change >surnames, but most often under circumstances which afforded the >opportunity for it to happen. In earlier times, before the common use of >surnames, a person may have been known by any number of affiliative >surnames, depending upon the way the political and religious winds blew. >But the closer you get to the present, the more firm the names held. If >you have accepted this information, without firm, appropriate resources, >always suspect it. This is not my opinion, but that of many >professionals. > >Al > >"Peter J. McDonald" wrote: > > > > Jan + David, > > The 1841 and 1851 Census were the key to finding out my family, I suggest > > you get a researcher to do that. > > I was astounded to find out we were actually "Macisaac's" and changed their > > name to McDonald just before they left, but I got the full list of family > > members and almost year/dates of birth. So putting them all together was > > easier on the "Allison". > > Peter > > > > At 09:51 PM 6/27/00 +1000, Robert Grant wrote: > > >I would be pleased if someone could tell > > > >me how to further identify one of the HIES passengers who was simply > > > >listed as ie. Donald McDonald, 30 of Inverness. This description is so > > > >broad as to be virtually useless. Are there other records that expand on > > > >the HIES individuals. > > > >David > > > >Port Fairy > > > > > > > >Yes David there are. Which ship did Donald come on? In the lists > that I > > >transcribed for Bryan Keddy's site I have only given name age and > place they > > >were from. They are listed in family groups. These are the ship's lists > > >and the actual information in the manuscript shows Ref. No. Name, Age, > > >Residence, Estate, Remarks (which is something like £5.8.11 [the > amount paid > > >for the voyage] - very eligible young people). However, to save time, > I was > > >more interested in getting the names up with ships they came on so that > > >people would have something to start with. Giving the age and place they > > >were from should help to link in with other information that you have > > >gathered about the person, perhaps from parish registers, census > lists, etc. > > >However, more importantly, there is the List of Immigrants as inspected by > > >the Immigration Board. This gives the further information that you > would be > > >looking for such as Name, Age, Calling, Religion, Read or Write, Birth > Place > > >and County, Parents Names and if alive, their residence. 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