Census Look up Milton of Petty for John Fraser born 1858 Boleskine, Inverness age 23 in 1881 census age 33 in 1891 census Regards Karen Donald

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1372 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on Arthur Pollock and Margaret MaGregor, they had a daughter Janet that was born December 22, 1862 in Inverness, Scotland. I would appreciate any help. Thanks, Carolyn

Many thanks for your reply Judy. I will pass the information on to the friend the query was for. Regards, Yvonne -------Original Message------- From: judy olsen Date: 10/15/05 22:34:10 To: Yvonne Pratt Cc: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-INV] pre-cognition Hi there Yvonne I will answer your question on list if you dont mind as this will probably be of general interest. The Procurator Fiscal is part of the Scottish legal system. Its all explained here: http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/llb/deathinvestig.htm (go to the top of the page and click the link to find the bit about the PF) According to this site (a university legal dept) the type of death you describe would automatically lead to an investigation. This of course is current information and you need to take account any changes to the law that may have taken place since the event. Judy On 15 Oct 2005, at 12:34, Yvonne Pratt wrote: > Can anyone advise what "pre-cognition" means written on the side of a > Scottish Death Certificate please? > Yvonne > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Can anyone advise what "pre-cognition" means written on the side of a Scottish Death Certificate please? Yvonne

Does anyone have any idea where Presnacallich might be? It is listed as the home of one Lachlan Mackintosh who married Mary Macpherson in 1811 but I have no clue what part of the country they are referring to. Any leads much appreciated. Laura

Hi there Yvonne I will answer your question on list if you dont mind as this will probably be of general interest. The Procurator Fiscal is part of the Scottish legal system. Its all explained here: http://www.dundee.ac.uk/forensicmedicine/llb/deathinvestig.htm (go to the top of the page and click the link to find the bit about the PF) According to this site (a university legal dept) the type of death you describe would automatically lead to an investigation. This of course is current information and you need to take account any changes to the law that may have taken place since the event. Judy On 15 Oct 2005, at 12:34, Yvonne Pratt wrote: > Can anyone advise what "pre-cognition" means written on the side of a > Scottish Death Certificate please? > Yvonne > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Not sure exactly but it sounds like there was a sudden death and an investigation by the FIscal. Judy On 15 Oct 2005, at 12:34, Yvonne Pratt wrote: > Can anyone advise what "pre-cognition" means written on the side of a > Scottish Death Certificate please? > Yvonne > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//TeC.2ACE/1371 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on my great aunt Ann Scott, born at Druids Temple near Culcabock in 1871. I have found Ann in the 1881 census, age 9, living with her parents at the Carters Cottage, Bogbain. Her Family , all from the Bogbain area, is: Father: Donald Scott born 1848, son of William Scott and Ann Mackintosh Mother: Isabella Mackintosh born 1844, daughter of Donald Mackintosh and Isabella Macdonald. They married in 1869. Siblings: Isabella Scott born 1870, married to Robert Paisley Shaw - my grandparents. Margaret Scott born 1873, married to Sinclair Sutherland, emigrated to Australia in 1914. I think I may have found Ann in the 1891 census working at Balvonie House. I have checked the Scotlandspeople site for her with no luck. Many thanks in advance for any help, Regards, Min Walker ex Nairn.

Hi Steve/Paula I found the applications and register for poor relief was very helpful with my poor in Elgin. Alas the Inverness one is kept in Inverness and I don't think it is indexed, but may be wrong,requires booking ( it is kept in a different building from the reference section, where it is avaiable to view!) If anyone is able to do look ups I would be very greatful and always hopeful, hint hint. William Fraser married to Isabella Matheson. Children c 1820 to 1890 Inverness/Boleskine/Dores. Shepherd/labourer. Children Catherine, Ann, William, Alexander, Roderick, John. See original posting. and William Fraser married Mary McDonald ( McDonell) Shepherd , Boleskine/Dores c 1780 to 1850. Children Thomas, John, Christy, Catherine, Margaret, Hugh, Alexander,Donald , William , Duncan, Mary, Thomas. Regards Karen Donald --- karen donald <karenadona@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Paula > > I am also hunting a William Fraser ( with same > frustration) around Inverness area around same time. > On occasions, and after one too many wines, have > gone > on a spending spree on Scotlandspeople ( how they > must > love me X ) and because of the blitz plan effect I > have a few B/M/D certs for Willaim Frasers which > aren't mine. Will have another look through, and can > send them to you and see if anything is helpful, if > only for elimination purposes. > > I am sure John Smiths in England have same > problem... > > Regards > > Karen Donald > > --- paula_wells <paula_wells@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > Hi Guys , > > Need some Ideas and thoughts of tracing my William > > Fraser of Inverness > > I have two comfirmed sightings of him > > 1st from his sons birth certificate > > 2nd from his sons marriage cirtificate > > > > now the time frame i'm talking about is, his son > > Hugh was born 1878 in > > muirtown near Inverness and married in 1902 in > > Glasgow > > > > from his sons birth cert, > > William is recorded as a wine merchents porter and > > living at 31 Grant street > > Inverness > > from his sons marriage cert > > only as a tram bus driver (i guess in Glasgow) > > > > now I've used Scotland people to try and trace him > > there seems to be no 31 Grant street Inverness in > > the 1881 census and and > > just far to many William Frasers in the 1881 to > 1901 > > census to go though > > with no other way of identifing him from all ther > > other William Frasers > > > > William's partner in the birth of Hugh is a Martha > > Martin, who (i think) i > > can trace so my thought is they (William and > Martha) > > never married , (i've > > also looked for a marriage cert for them),hugh is > > recored on his birth Cert > > as illegitimate and Martha is recored as married > to > > William Fraser on Hugh's > > marriage cert (but i feel Hugh was coving up the > > fact he was illegitimate) > > Hugh , well i cant trace him in any of the census > as > > yet even though I've > > looked. > > > > so where to next ????? how can i find him , now > bear > > in mind I'm in New > > Zealand and tis a bit hard to just pop over and > > look :) > > though i wouldn't mind , tis my life long dream to > > go home to my father > > birth county > > > > Kind Regards > > Steve Fraser > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories > about > > your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in > the > > last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Paula I am also hunting a William Fraser ( with same frustration) around Inverness area around same time. On occasions, and after one too many wines, have gone on a spending spree on Scotlandspeople ( how they must love me X ) and because of the blitz plan effect I have a few B/M/D certs for Willaim Frasers which aren't mine. Will have another look through, and can send them to you and see if anything is helpful, if only for elimination purposes. I am sure John Smiths in England have same problem... Regards Karen Donald --- paula_wells <paula_wells@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Guys , > Need some Ideas and thoughts of tracing my William > Fraser of Inverness > I have two comfirmed sightings of him > 1st from his sons birth certificate > 2nd from his sons marriage cirtificate > > now the time frame i'm talking about is, his son > Hugh was born 1878 in > muirtown near Inverness and married in 1902 in > Glasgow > > from his sons birth cert, > William is recorded as a wine merchents porter and > living at 31 Grant street > Inverness > from his sons marriage cert > only as a tram bus driver (i guess in Glasgow) > > now I've used Scotland people to try and trace him > there seems to be no 31 Grant street Inverness in > the 1881 census and and > just far to many William Frasers in the 1881 to 1901 > census to go though > with no other way of identifing him from all ther > other William Frasers > > William's partner in the birth of Hugh is a Martha > Martin, who (i think) i > can trace so my thought is they (William and Martha) > never married , (i've > also looked for a marriage cert for them),hugh is > recored on his birth Cert > as illegitimate and Martha is recored as married to > William Fraser on Hugh's > marriage cert (but i feel Hugh was coving up the > fact he was illegitimate) > Hugh , well i cant trace him in any of the census as > yet even though I've > looked. > > so where to next ????? how can i find him , now bear > in mind I'm in New > Zealand and tis a bit hard to just pop over and > look :) > though i wouldn't mind , tis my life long dream to > go home to my father > birth county > > Kind Regards > Steve Fraser > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about > your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the > last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Guys , Need some Ideas and thoughts of tracing my William Fraser of Inverness I have two comfirmed sightings of him 1st from his sons birth certificate 2nd from his sons marriage cirtificate now the time frame i'm talking about is, his son Hugh was born 1878 in muirtown near Inverness and married in 1902 in Glasgow from his sons birth cert, William is recorded as a wine merchents porter and living at 31 Grant street Inverness from his sons marriage cert only as a tram bus driver (i guess in Glasgow) now I've used Scotland people to try and trace him there seems to be no 31 Grant street Inverness in the 1881 census and and just far to many William Frasers in the 1881 to 1901 census to go though with no other way of identifing him from all ther other William Frasers William's partner in the birth of Hugh is a Martha Martin, who (i think) i can trace so my thought is they (William and Martha) never married , (i've also looked for a marriage cert for them),hugh is recored on his birth Cert as illegitimate and Martha is recored as married to William Fraser on Hugh's marriage cert (but i feel Hugh was coving up the fact he was illegitimate) Hugh , well i cant trace him in any of the census as yet even though I've looked. so where to next ????? how can i find him , now bear in mind I'm in New Zealand and tis a bit hard to just pop over and look :) though i wouldn't mind , tis my life long dream to go home to my father birth county Kind Regards Steve Fraser

There is, but the people living there are HASSON (on the index). Judy On 12 Oct 2005, at 05:46, paula_wells wrote: > there seems to be no 31 Grant street Inverness in the 1881 census

Maybe not. I had a quick look to see if there were electric or cable trams in Inverness and failed to find any reference - but maybe William drove a horse drawn tram. It might be worth contacting the Inverness museum to see if they can throw any light on these possibilities. Judy On 12 Oct 2005, at 05:46, paula_wells wrote: > only as a tram bus driver (i guess in Glasgow)

Jody There is a mail list for Glenurquhart - link found at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/Glen1.html Regards John Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jody Sylvester" <jodywheatenart@earthlink.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: MacDonalds of Urquhart area > Greetings. It has been a bit difficult to find much information on this > branch of my MacDonalds, but I can tell you they lived, and some may still > live on the land just west of Urquhart Castle, and some were in Inverness > as well. I know my gg grandfather Duncan left his family there and came to > the US when he was 21, in about 1875. He led the family sheep up Glen > Urquhart in the spring to get better feed, the legend has it, though I > don't know that for fact. Does anyone have any knowledge of this family? > Many thanks. Anything will be very much appreciated. We are all so tied to > our ancestry...each piece of new information is a gift. I will visit the > family heritage center when I visit Inverness-shire this spring, but > knowing all I can in advance keeps me going til I can get there... > Jody Sylvester > Daytona Beach >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1159.1.1.1.2.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Andy, to be honest I`m really not sure whether there is a connection or not. You may be right. I`m just not far enough back yet to know as I have only started searching on friday. As I said, I will be in touch when I get further back if that`s ok. Melanie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: DOWNIE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1370.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes, I've looked for Andrew's death in all Scotland and everwhere else I could think of. Checking back, several children died, but only one, Agnes Salmond Downie b 1874 on Mull, is also missing a death regisration. Andrew Downie b 1842 Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire. m. Clementina Grant in Hillhead, Partick 13 Nov 1867 His address at time of marriage, Bowmore, Islay. First 2 children born on Islay; Mary Ann 1868 Islay d 1872 Bunessan, Mull John 1869 Islay Andrew Kier 1871 Mull James Grant 1872 Mull d 1872 Bunessan Agnes Salmond 1874 Mull presumed died before 1881 Malcolm Maitland 1876 Mull d 1915 Mallaig Clementina Grant 1878 Mull James Grant 1879 Mull William Mair 1881 Mull Isabella Rose 1883 Mull Catherine Grant 1884 Mull d 1953 Glasgow Mary Calder 1884 Mull d 1885 Bunessan Elsie Murray 1885 Mull Ann(ie) Salmon 1886 Mull d about 1954 place not known Christina Rose 1886 Mull Margaret Marshall Stephen 1889 Lochboisdale Robert Grant 1890 Lochboisdale d 1940’s New Zealand 1871 census, Killfinichen parish Bunessan , Isle of Mull. Andrew, a baker, 28, Clementina 25, Mary Ann 2, John 1, Andrew under 1 mth 1881 census Andrew on vessel "Aros Castle" (passenger, baker) at Boisdale, while Clementina and the children are at Bunessan, except for Agnes who should be 7 and seems to have died by now. In 1891 they are at Pier Village, Lochboisdale. Eldest sons John (21?) and Andrew(20?) gone. By 1901 Clementina is a widow. in Cathcart, Glasgow (Renfrewshire). Malcolm (25) gone. No sign of Andrew.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1370.1 Message Board Post: When you say you have searched in vain, does that include the whole of Scotland or did you confine yourself to certain districts? And did you check English records as well? Could you post the dates, locations and ages from the childrens deaths that you know about - this may also provide a clue. Also Andrews age? There are several Andrew DOWNIEs on the 1901 census of England. One possibility is that he was not dead, but had simply left his wife - either by mutual consent or desertion. Hard to get away with a 'widow' fib in the islands but easy in Glasgow where the enumerator was probably a stranger. JAO

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Downie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1370 Message Board Post: Andrew Downie lived in Lochboisdale, S.Uist, in 1891 with his large family. In 1901 his widow and the younger family members were in Glasgow. I've searched in vain for any record of his death or emigration. My question is, is it known that some island deaths went unregistered? This family had previously lived on Mull and on Islay, and at least 2 of the children's deaths were also unregistered.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McKay, MacDonald, McAuliffe, Fogarty, O'Hanley, Becker, Conway Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1159.1.1.1.2.2.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for your responses, Joan & Melanie. From a Hebrides 'expert', I have a long history of some of the MacKays going back to the early 1657. I had made an error in my previous posting. It should have said armourers to the Campbells of Breadalbane rather than Camerons.. Miles of the 1841 census of Benbecula was a blind, retired soldier believed to be from a family that had settled on North Uist after moving from Islay to Skye. In my search, while looking for a Malcolm, who would have been about 11 in 1841 I have one 11 s/o Angus & Christy at Snizort, Skye and one 12, s/o Donald & Mary on South Uist. Donald was shown to be s/o Miles. Since most of the MacKays came from further north on the Sutherland mainland, movements following the battle of Culloden may hae been scattered. Good luck in your search Andy

3. NIEL MAC KINNON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 07 JAN 1864 Strath, Inverness, Scotland Niel MacKinnon from Strath married Mary MacArthur B 1866 in Luib, Strath Isle of Skye c 1880, to follow this line contact me. Don