The same name is Nils and Niels in Norwegian and Danish, which I guess means it is Norse as well. Judy On 19 Mar 2006, at 12:19, Ray Hennessy wrote: > Neil is considered to be an English spelling of the Gaelic Niall. > In Gaelic this is taken to have the meaning "champion". > The only other name I have come across which has any connection > with Neil is Nigel. This is because, in old documents in Latin, > they used Nigellus for Neil.

Sara Thomas sent me a message by Margaret Guider. Margaret wrote: >> Can anyone tell me whether persons named >> Neil used another name - like Daniel & Donald - >> are interchangeable? _________________________________________ Hi Margaret I have a website www.whatsinaname.net where I have tried to show the meanings and connections between Forenames which is why Sara asked me to comment. Neil is considered to be an English spelling of the Gaelic Niall. In Gaelic this is taken to have the meaning "champion". The only other name I have come across which has any connection with Neil is Nigel. This is because, in old documents in Latin, they used Nigellus for Neil. This has led to a confusion about the equivalence of the names and hence a tendency [I put it no stronger] for Neil and Nigel to become synonymous. For want of a better expression, I have classified this relationship as a "Lesser Synonym"", unlike Elizabeth and Isobel which are fully interchangeable and so, in my definition, "Synonyms". Incidentally Daniel is from the Hebrew with the meaning "God has judged". Because Domhnall, the Gaelic version of Donald, is sometimes Anglicised as Daniel the two names are also somewhat interchangeable and so I consider these to be "Lesser Synonyms". Donald is thought to be from the Gaelic meaning "world ruler" so there is no similarity in the derivation of these names either! Hope this helps. I've gone into greater depth than is in my website entries because you need to link across the entries to get the whole picture. Best wishes Ray Hennessy www.whatsinaname.net PS I am struggling with Gaelic names and the forms they can take in different cases so I haven't publicised the site outside the NE: Aberdeenshire & neighbouring counties. But it is freely available so I would welcome any and all comments, suggestions, corrections and even complaints.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TeC.2ACE/1424 Message Board Post: Hello: In doing my own family genealogy from Nova Scotia I came across a name - Sawyer -. This is from a WW 1 enlistment roll for the 246th Battalion from Nova Scotia. Listed is a James Sawyer, L. Corporal - next of kin is Samuel Sawyer - Samuel is listed as living in Inverness, Scotland. James enlisted at Halifax, Nova Scotia on Jan. 20, 1917. Hope this information may be of help to someone who may be researching the Sawyer name. Sandi

Just a suggestion....what about MacKillop....according to a family tree that I have re the MacLeods of Harris...on an neighbouring island of Lewis...their was a John MacKillop b. 1843... MacKillop appears to me to sound a wee bit similar to Marcarla...lol...if said quickly... Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coastal Faggs" <lakers@exemail.com.au> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:56 AM Subject: [SCT-INV] macaulay - isle of lewis > G'day > My gt gt gt grandmother came from Lewis Isle. > She was born abt 1785. > She was married in Gravesend Kent in 1810. > She was illiterate, so the person who wrote her name on the marriage cert > in > Gravesend Kent wrote her name as he heard it.........as Marcarla. > I am hoping that this was Macaulay as a Scottish person told me that would > be close the the pronounciation. > Does anyone have an alternative? > Anyway, her name was Christiana Marcarla, and she married John Walford. > > I am having great difficulty finding her a family in Scotland. > Can anyone give me some ideas please? > Thank you > Karen in Australia > > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Maggie Its a possibility that your Margaret was a sister of my Angus. My 1st Angus was born about 1788 and married Janet Russell in May 1814. The Russell family were "employees" of the Earl of Moray, whose estates were Petty, Inverness-shire, Scotland. Or maybe Petty was on the estate? Anyway the children of Angus and Janet were born/baptized in Dayyeil/Petty, I have copies of some of their baptismal records indicate birth in Dalyeil and baptized in Petty. A Donald McIntosh is listed on one of the baptism records as a witness. He could have been the Grandfather (father to Angus) or could have been a brother to Angus. Using naming tradition 1st born male is named after the father's father (child's paternal grandfather) 1st born female is named after the mother's mother (child's maternal grandmother . . 2nd born male is named after the mother's father (child's maternal grandfather) 2nd born female named after the father's mother (child's paternal grandmother) An so on alternating back the generations. The children of Angus and Janet(Russell) Mcintosh were as follows: Janet, Donald, Isabella, John Margaret, Angus, James, Alexander. So that makes Donald and Margaret McIntosh the parents of Angus Going back to the baptismal records; the names John and James Russell also appear as witnesses. So that makes John and Janet Russell the parents of Janet. James Russell being a brother of John Russell. The Russell brothers are listed as Factors on old estate records So I guess Angus could have had a sister Margaret. The names, marriage and places dates fit All we have to do now is find some documentation to prove it. Even my great grandparents Angus and Janet (McLachlan) Mcintosh used a modification of the saem naming tradition. These children were all born in Canada. They turned the matrix over. Their children wer Archibald - after Janet's father, Angus - after Angus's father, James - after Janet's grandfather, Jeanette - after Angus's mother, Catherine - after Janet's mother, Donald - after Angus's grandfather, Margaret - after Angus's grandmother, and John - after Janet's grandfather. Are you confused? Let me know what you think. Contact me off list. Take care Bev Powell bwpowell@sympatico.ca Strathroy Ontario Canada

Margaret: I found this website to be very helpful regarding Scottish forenames. www.whatsinaname.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MACINTOSH GRANT MCLEAN KEEGAN BIGGS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1015.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, I am looking for a Margaret MacIntosh born Inverness married John Grant. They had a daughter Joanna/Johanna in circa 1811/1812 in Inverness, Inverness.Any connection? Maggie

Grateful thanks to everyone who so quickly replied with information. Kind regards, Linda Boyd > > From: "Neil Boyd" <suedog@tesco.net> > Date: 2006/03/18 Sat PM 04:36:32 GMT > To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-INV] Fw: Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation > > > > > This is a long-shot but does anyone have access to the above book by Donald Whyte, Volume 1? If so, I would be very grateful if they could do the following look-ups for me: > Place: Ontario > Primary Immigrants: McBain, John (both have same name) > Entry #: 3008117 and 3008116 > Publication code: > 9758 > Page #: 172 > If there are others who travelled with them could I also have their details? > In hope, > Linda Boyd > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Linda ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ 4886----McBain,John--1817-1905, From Alvie,INV s/o Lachlan M,tailor in Meadowside, and wife Margaret. To Teeswater,Culross Twp,Bruce Co,ONT ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ 4887---McBain, John , 1831--1904 From Rothiemurchus,INV s/o Thomas M. and Janet MaxIntyre, to Lucknow,Kinloss Twp,Bruce Co. ONT Teacher ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Another John McBain settled in Pictou Co NS. There are no other family members mentioned with either John. The book does not say whay year they emigrated . There are other McBains listed as well, but there is no indication that they may be related to either John McBain. Hope this helps. Nelson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Boyd" <suedog@tesco.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] Fw: Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation > > > > This is a long-shot but does anyone have access to the above book by Donald Whyte, Volume 1? If so, I would be very grateful if they could do the following look-ups for me: > Place: Ontario > Primary Immigrants: McBain, John (both have same name) > Entry #: 3008117 and 3008116 > Publication code: > 9758 > Page #: 172 > If there are others who travelled with them could I also have their details? > In hope, > Linda Boyd > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 17/03/2006 > >

This is a long-shot but does anyone have access to the above book by Donald Whyte, Volume 1? If so, I would be very grateful if they could do the following look-ups for me: Place: Ontario Primary Immigrants: McBain, John (both have same name) Entry #: 3008117 and 3008116 Publication code: 9758 Page #: 172 If there are others who travelled with them could I also have their details? In hope, Linda Boyd

Hi there listers; Have any of you details of any Census carried out in Forres from about 1840 to 1858 as I am trying to trace my GtGrandmother Jane Shaw who was a housemaid working at No.23 Urquhart Street Forres in 1857. I would like to know if she lived there prior to 1857. regards Jill Shaw

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1423 Message Board Post: Hi Can anyone help! I am trying to find prison records of inmates of Inverness Prison when the prison was in the castle.

1841 Census Piece: SCT1841/137 Place: Forres-Morayshire Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Burgh Of Forres Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 3 Page: 3 Address: High Street Surname First name(s) Sex Age OccupationWhere BornRemarks SHAW William M 60 Sawyer Morayshire ALLAN Christian F 60 Wife To Sawyer Morayshire SHAW Janet F 20 - Morayshire KENNEDY Ewen M 20 Blacksmith Outside Census County (1841) Piece: SCT1841/137 Place: Forres-Morayshire Enumeration District: 1 Civil Parish: Forres Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 1 Page: 3 Address: Mains Of Invererne Surname First name(s)Sex Age Occupation Where BornRemarks SHAW Colin M 30 Farmer Outside Census County (1841) SHAW Janet F 35 - Morayshire SHAW Isabel F 10 - Outside Census County (1841) SHAW Margaret F 8 Outside Census County (1841) Page: 1/4 SHAW Isabel F 20 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841) iece: SCT1841/137 Place: Forres-Morayshire Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Burgh Of Forres Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 3 Page: 19 Address: Batchen's Wynd Surname First name(s) Sex Age OccupationWhere BornRemark SHAW Alexr M 50 Shoemaker Morayshire THOMSON Isabella F 50 Wife To Shoemaker Morayshire SHAW William M 18 - Morayshire SHAW Jane F 11 - Morayshire --- victor underwood <vunderwo@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Hi there listers; > Have any of you details of any Census carried out in Forres from about 1840 to 1858 as I am > trying to trace my GtGrandmother Jane Shaw who was a housemaid working at No.23 Urquhart Street > Forres in 1857. I would like to know if she lived there prior to 1857. > regards > Jill Shaw > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Keith Was Donald Cameron's wife's name Christy & did they sail to Australia on the Ontario. Regards Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith & Shirley" <keith-shirley@bigpond.com> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: [SCT-INV] Family History >I am trying to trace a John McDonald, wife Mary Cameron. > It is possible that they lived at Inchberry. > > Their children were:- Born Christened at > 1. Anne 5/10/1797 5/10/1797 Kirkhill, Inverness > 2. James 18/7/1799 22/7/1799 " " > 3. Margaret 2/7/1801 2/7/1801 " " > 4. Donald 3/4/1803 6/4/1803 " " 5. > William June 1811 11/6/1811 " " > 6. Catherine 26/5/1813 1/6/1813 " " . > > I have been unable to find any further information on John > or Mary. > > I would be most grateful for any assistance that could be > provided. > > Keith. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

I am trying to trace a John McDonald, wife Mary Cameron. It is possible that they lived at Inchberry. Their children were:- Born Christened at 1. Anne 5/10/1797 5/10/1797 Kirkhill, Inverness 2. James 18/7/1799 22/7/1799 " " 3. Margaret 2/7/1801 2/7/1801 " " 4. Donald 3/4/1803 6/4/1803 " " 5. William June 1811 11/6/1811 " " 6. Catherine 26/5/1813 1/6/1813 " " . I have been unable to find any further information on John or Mary. I would be most grateful for any assistance that could be provided. Keith.

snip<the age IS right off, but the same census had her Father aged 60, when officially he died in 1897 aged 69.> Judy my gg grandfather has clearly documented evidence from two Scots censuses, shipping records to Australia and two marriages after that, that have him variously born in 1829, 1830, 1835, 1838 and 1842! Knowing your own age and having it recorded faithfully was NOT an exact science back then.... Val Burge, Sydney, OZ. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Austen" <josephwausten@iprimus.com.au> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV] 1881 census for Inverness-Rebecca McBeath > Thanks Win, you`re right it can only be the first one, and Fortunately it is not a common name so it was worth the effort to chase her, I`m now trying to find her death, unfortunately she married a BUTLER in London, so now I`m dredging 1837 online, quarter by quarter by quarter by q-----. Thanks For your help. Joe

Thanks Win, you`re right it can only be the first one, and the age IS right off, but the same census had her Father aged 60, when officially he died in 1897 aged 69. Fortunately it is not a common name so it was worth the effort to chase her, I`m now trying to find her death, unfortunately she married a BUTLER in London, so now I`m dredging 1837 online, quarter by quarter by quarter by q-----. Thanks For your help. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Win MacKenzie To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Joe Austen Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV] 1881 census for Inverness-Rebecca McBeath Hello Joe, There were only 3 Rebecca Mcbeaths in the National index for the 1881 census: MACBETH, Rebecca Serv <1850> Argy MC BETH, Rebecca Wife <1850> Pemb Pemb MC BETH, Rebecca Dau <1865> Irel Stir If yours is any of these she'll be the first one, although the age is really off: Dwelling: Prospect Hill Census Place: Dunoon & Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203556 GRO Ref Volume 510 EnumDist 9 Page 29 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizab. DALZIEL W 61 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Feurar Martha A. DALZIEL 13 F Glasgw, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Grd Child Occ: Scholar Margt. F. DALZIEL 12 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar Rebecca MACBETH U 31 F Inverness Town Rel: Serv Occ: General Dom Serv I purchased the 1881 Census cd's quite a few years ago, and I think the price is still the same, but the viewer has been updated. Well worth it. It can be purchased online from the familysearch.org website, but there is probably a distribution centre in Australia. (I've seen people mention on various lists not to order in from the US if you are in Australia, UK, etc because import costs make it far too expensive.) You might be able to find an Family History Centre close to you that can give you information: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Or, maybe there is someone on the list who can point you in the right direction for Australians. (Alec C.? ) Regards, Win MacKenzie Joe Austen wrote: I seek a little advice, regarding the above. I have had a little success recently between the IGI and Scotlands People. I believe that my g grandmother (Rebecca Macbeth or MacBeath, was born in Inverness in 1858, even though her marriage certificate would lead one to believe that she was born in 1865, anyway the Rebecca that I believe is the one, I have found in the 1861 and 1871 censii of Inverness with her parents, in service in London for the 1891(with a probable birthdate of 1862 and with my g grandfather, and my grandmother etcetera for the 1901. But the 1881 is causing me problems, I cannot find Rebecca on either the Ancestry or LDS versions of the England and Wales 1881 census, And on Scotlands People they want the address in the 1881, Rebeccas` parents lived at the same address at least from 1871 to 1897 when her father died and her mother died there in 1907 but nothing comes up for 1881, the address in question is 4 Frasers Close, Muirtown Road Inverness. Whilst I`m at it is Inverness-shire correct, or is there no hyphen. or what. Regards Joe Austen in OZ (Ex Pom) ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

Heather PLEASE keep posting to the list!!! The list loses its 'think tank' abilities when you have one person replying to one person. There are often people reading the threads, only needing one more little bit of info before they recognise something, and you never know when this is going to happen and set off a ***BINGO*** moment :-) The answers are also on the archives for people to find in future if you send them to the list, so even if the 'bingo' isn't right now, it may be in two years time for someone else. Kind regards, Val ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather" <familytree1@ntlworld.com> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] sorry folks did not mean to post it > Sorry did not mean to post this too the list > > Sorry again > Heather > > Subject: RE: SCT-INVERNESS-D Digest V06 #64 > > Hi Jo > Here you go, this is 1881 census for 4 frasers close but no Rebecca have > checked all variant spellings and does not appear anywhere in > Eng-Scot-Wales 1881unless Rebecca was a second name. Unless McBEATH WAS > HER MARRIED NAME you did not say if she was married to John. If so it > looks like Bella > > Dwelling: 4 Frasers Close > Census Place: Inverness, Inverness, Scotland > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 13/03/06 > >

Hello, Looking for information on the Campbell and Russell families that lived in Petty, Invernesshire. I have the information from the IGI, but am interested in anyone else having any connection to these families, or information on the cemetery in the area. ANy help is appreciated. Nancy

You're welcome. Some lists have blown a gasket in the past hence the apology Glad to be of help Heather -----Original Message----- From: Heather [mailto:familytree1@ntlworld.com] Sent: 15 March 2006 01:26 To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: sorry folks did not mean to post it Sorry did not mean to post this too the list Sorry again Heather Subject: RE: SCT-INVERNESS-D Digest V06 #64 Hi Jo Here you go, this is 1881 census for 4 frasers close but no Rebecca have checked all variant spellings and does not appear anywhere in Eng-Scot-Wales 1881unless Rebecca was a second name. Unless McBEATH WAS HER MARRIED NAME you did not say if she was married to John. If so it looks like Bella Dwelling: 4 Frasers Close Census Place: Inverness, Inverness, Scotland ______________________________