I've been enjoying Willie's tales. This is the only one where I can be certain there's a bit of embroidery added to it. He's right that there is a piobreach piece called McCrimmon's Lament, and that it was composed by one of the McCrimmon piping family on Skye, but I've never heard it connected with a death at Moy Hall before. This particular piece of music is on the pentaphonic scale, and was recently popularised by Sheila Chandra [the music of North India is also pentaphonic]. If anyone is interested, the Skye McCrimmon story is online at.http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/2230/ [where a 1937 family history/geneaology is reproduced in full]. A new book about the McCrimmons will also be out soon, which is being written by people in the piping fraternity R McInnes Sth Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles F. Larimer" <clarimer@prodigy.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Tales of Dunlichity #15 > Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen > Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer > > To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at > http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ > > The Captain of the Five and MacCrimmon's Lament > > Well, there's a story I forgot. We were talking a good bit about the clans, > but I didn't tell you about the Captain of the Five. > That was a blacksmith that was at Moy. During the 45 Rebellion, when Prince > Charlie was north here - the Mackintosh of Mackintosh, the Laird of Moy > Hall, he was away with the government troops. But, the Laird's wife, who > was an ardent Jacobite, was on the side of Prince Charlie. So, there were > twisters in those days too. You see, there was that in that family. They > fished both sides of the river! > > And, Prince Charlie came to Moy Hall and he was in that house - the Laird's > house when one came to them and told them that Lord Loudon was advancing > from Inverness to capture the Prince Charlie. Now, there were only about > five men left. The rest were all off with the Jacobite army or the > Hanoverians, I don't know which - whatever side they choose to fight for. > Then, the Laird's wife called the old blacksmith, Donald Fraser, and there > were only four other men. And, she placed them down the old roadway to > intercept them. There were no roads, of course - but, where they were > expected to come. And, it was dark and the soldiers were coming at night to > make a surprise capture. > > And, when the men heard the soldiers coming, they started playing the > pipes - blowing the pipes anyway - the bagpipe, and firing muskets. And, > the Lord Loudon with a company of 200 men thought that the whole of the > Highland host was there at Moy. And, the troops turned and fled. And, one > of their pipers, MacCrimmon* from Skye was killed in the melee - in the rush > to get away from the Highland Host as they supposed. But, there was nobody > there but five men. > > Of course, the Highland blacksmith was voted a hero for what he did. And, > his anvil was at the front door of Moy Hall up until about 1940. The chief > that was there in my young days died. He died about 1938. I don't know > what became of the anvil. Likely it was sold when the estate was sold out. > > But, you see there were twisters in those days too. Those who fought for > Prince Charlie, a lot of them lost their estates or lost their lives, but > the Mackintosh was sly enough. Of course, he had good folk on his side as > you shall come to hear in a few minutes. > > * A bagpipe tune was afterwards composed called "MacCrimmon's Lament." > > ========= > > Charlie Fraser Larimer > clarimer@prodigy.net > > > > > > >

Thanks Dave. I had been told that due to pressure by the government, probably my Macdonalds who fought with Prince Charles were not Catholic. I am looking for a Macdonald that I think was from Kilmuir parish who fought with the Jacobites. I understand that the Skye Macdonalds were not among the Jacobite clans. Pat -----Original Message----- From: ScotHeritage@aol.com <ScotHeritage@aol.com> To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: April 9, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Re: McDougall & McDonald >In a message dated 08/04/00 7:19:45 AM Central Daylight Time, >psmyth@lindsaycomp.on.ca writes: > ><< If not Presbyterian Macdonalds then what Dave? >> > >Church of Rome. I had always thought most of the Skye MacDonalds were >catholic, ( Church of Rome Catholic) I suppose Clan Rannald may not of been. >Just a bit of a thought was caused. I do not think I have ever met a non >catholic MacDonald, then again its not something we would ask. We usually >knew by where the person came from. Which Island etc. >Dave M. > >______________________________

Hi list, Does anyone have the 1841 census for the Moy area? If they would please look-up the following for me I would greatly appreciate it. Donald McBain- head (Possibly dead at time of census) Catherine - wife Donald - son Thanks for any information you can provide. Bob McBain

Hello Everyone: As it hjas been some time since I posted this, is there by chance, anyone following a line for these 3 boys. They left Tigharry, North Uist about 1870, where they were born. William Alexander Arbuckle McLELLAN - born August 11, 1850 Donald Arbuckle McLELLAN - born February 27, 1853 Alexander MacLeod McLELLAN - born December 18, 1854 Any help would sure be appreciated. Thank You, Lorraine, Ottawa, Ontario

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ Comments from CFL: This may be my favorite of Willie's stories. Willie was only 10 years old when the following occurred, yet he was well known for this story until his mid-twenties when the story faded out. About 25 years ago, a man collected stories from the region and broadcast them on the radio, including this story, and again Willie became regionally famous for a while. After you read this, I'm sure that most of you will consider Willie to be a modern-day Scottish hero. ==== King George V At The Beating I'm not sure if I told you this story before about my first year at the beating. How I put King George V off the road!! I was some days out with an old horse that my father had, an old Clydesdale. I was able enough to lead the horse. And, this particular day I was sent to Moy Hall with a load of grouse in the panniers. You know what panniers are - they're a saddle on a horse with a basket on either side. And, I got down to the larder - that's a cool pantry where the grouse were stored until sold - and after unloading I was told that I could go home. It was the last drive of the day or the second to last drive. So, I got a hand from the kennel boy onto the horse's back because I was only 10, you see. Now, if I came off the horse's back, I couldn't get on again. So, on going up the road, who should be coming down the road but the King - King George V and all his contingents - on foot, four abreast on the narrow road. They were like the children of Israel coming up from the Land of Egypt. There were four of them in front. The King, the Mackintosh and I don't know if it was Lord Lovat, or the Duke of Atholl were right in the front. Then there were gamekeepers, there were detectives, there were policemen all there to see that nobody interfered with the King. And, I was sitting on this old horse's back - an 18-year-old Clydesdale. And, the road was only nine feet wide anyway and the horse and the panniers were the most part of six feet wide. And, the old horse didn't know the King from anybody else and he just kept plodding on and I put the whole lot of them off the road. And, I kept going. I never lived it down for many a day. Of course, it died out with the generation. But, it was quite an experience. It was many a time I heard that I put the King off the road! Well, that's the way... Of course, there's many things happened... ========= Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

Thanks to R. McInnes, who found the web site that gave the words and music to MacCrimmon's Lament. http://www.contemplator.com/folk2/maclamnt.html I wanted to share this with the group. In the forward to the song they mention the Rout of Moy, which I assume is the reference to Moy Hall that Willie MacQueen made. ==== MacCrimmon's Lament Lesley Nelson Information Lyrics According to Hopekirk, this melody was composed in 1745 on the departure of Donald MacCrimmon by his sister. Another legend has it that Donald MacCrimmon had a premonition of his death and composed the tune the night before he died and that his sister later wrote the words. Donald MacCrimmon is said to have been killed in a skirmish in 1746 at the Rout of Moy during the last Jacobite Uprising.* The MacCrimmons were famous pipers and the hereditary pipers of the Clan MacLeod. MacCrimmons Lament O'er Coolin's face the night is creeping, The banshee's wail is round us sweeping; Blue eyes in Duin are dim with weeping, Since thou art gone and ne'er returnest. Chorus No more, no more, no more returning; In peace nor in war is he returning; Till dawns the great day of doom and burning, MacCrimmon is home no more returning. The breeze of the bens is gently blowing; The brooks in the glens are softly flowing; Where boughs their darkest shades are throwing, Birds mourn for thee who ne'er returnest. Chorus Its dirges of woe the sea is sighing, The boat under sail unmov'd is lying; The voice of waves in sadness dying Say, thou art away and ne'er returnest. Chorus We'll see no more MacCrimmon's returning In peace nor in war is he returning Till dawns the great day of woe and burning, For him, there's no more returning. ==== Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: R McInnes <rosmci@iweb.net.au> To: Charles F. Larimer <clarimer@prodigy.net>; <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Tales of Dunlichity #15 I've been enjoying Willie's tales. This is the only one where I can be certain there's a bit of embroidery added to it. He's right that there is a piobreach piece called McCrimmon's Lament, and that it was composed by one of the McCrimmon piping family on Skye, but I've never heard it connected with a death at Moy Hall before. This particular piece of music is on the pentaphonic scale, and was recently popularised by Sheila Chandra [the music of North India is also pentaphonic]. If anyone is interested, the Skye McCrimmon story is online at.http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/2230/ [where a 1937 family history/geneaology is reproduced in full]. A new book about the McCrimmons will also be out soon, which is being written by people in the piping fraternity R McInnes Sth Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles F. Larimer" <clarimer@prodigy.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Tales of Dunlichity #15 > Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen > Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer > > To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at > http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ > > The Captain of the Five and MacCrimmon's Lament > > Well, there's a story I forgot. We were talking a good bit about the clans, > but I didn't tell you about the Captain of the Five. > That was a blacksmith that was at Moy. During the 45 Rebellion, when Prince > Charlie was north here - the Mackintosh of Mackintosh, the Laird of Moy > Hall, he was away with the government troops. But, the Laird's wife, who > was an ardent Jacobite, was on the side of Prince Charlie. So, there were > twisters in those days too. You see, there was that in that family. They > fished both sides of the river! > > And, Prince Charlie came to Moy Hall and he was in that house - the Laird's > house when one came to them and told them that Lord Loudon was advancing > from Inverness to capture the Prince Charlie. Now, there were only about > five men left. The rest were all off with the Jacobite army or the > Hanoverians, I don't know which - whatever side they choose to fight for. > Then, the Laird's wife called the old blacksmith, Donald Fraser, and there > were only four other men. And, she placed them down the old roadway to > intercept them. There were no roads, of course - but, where they were > expected to come. And, it was dark and the soldiers were coming at night to > make a surprise capture. > > And, when the men heard the soldiers coming, they started playing the > pipes - blowing the pipes anyway - the bagpipe, and firing muskets. And, > the Lord Loudon with a company of 200 men thought that the whole of the > Highland host was there at Moy. And, the troops turned and fled. And, one > of their pipers, MacCrimmon* from Skye was killed in the melee - in the rush > to get away from the Highland Host as they supposed. But, there was nobody > there but five men. > > Of course, the Highland blacksmith was voted a hero for what he did. And, > his anvil was at the front door of Moy Hall up until about 1940. The chief > that was there in my young days died. He died about 1938. I don't know > what became of the anvil. Likely it was sold when the estate was sold out. > > But, you see there were twisters in those days too. Those who fought for > Prince Charlie, a lot of them lost their estates or lost their lives, but > the Mackintosh was sly enough. Of course, he had good folk on his side as > you shall come to hear in a few minutes. > > * A bagpipe tune was afterwards composed called "MacCrimmon's Lament." > > ========= > > Charlie Fraser Larimer > clarimer@prodigy.net > > > > > > >

In a message dated 09/04/00 12:26:45 AM Central Daylight Time, iainida@hutchcity.com writes: << A few years ago I was discussing my gt. grandfather, Alexander MacDONALD, with another family member and she told me that Alexander was catholic, but he was, however, a Rangers' supporter and " was not firm in his faith ". Being fully aware that I might be entering dangerous territory, I just changed the topic, and to this day I still don't know if she was refering to religion or football. Regards, Iain (Hong Kong) iainida@hutchcity.com OK so what you are trying to say is that there is a difference between religion and football????? I don't think so. There must be a God Inverness beat Celtic 3 to 1. What more proof do you need? Perhaps some readers don't know that Rangers were more the Protestant team and Celtic the Catholic team. DaveM.

A few years ago I was discussing my gt. grandfather, Alexander MacDONALD, with another family member and she told me that Alexander was catholic, but he was, however, a Rangers' supporter and " was not firm in his faith ". Being fully aware that I might be entering dangerous territory, I just changed the topic, and to this day I still don't know if she was refering to religion or football. Regards, Iain (Hong Kong) iainida@hutchcity.com

In a message dated 08/04/00 7:19:45 AM Central Daylight Time, psmyth@lindsaycomp.on.ca writes: << If not Presbyterian Macdonalds then what Dave? >> Church of Rome. I had always thought most of the Skye MacDonalds were catholic, ( Church of Rome Catholic) I suppose Clan Rannald may not of been. Just a bit of a thought was caused. I do not think I have ever met a non catholic MacDonald, then again its not something we would ask. We usually knew by where the person came from. Which Island etc. Dave M.

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ The Captain of the Five and MacCrimmon's Lament Well, there's a story I forgot. We were talking a good bit about the clans, but I didn't tell you about the Captain of the Five. That was a blacksmith that was at Moy. During the 45 Rebellion, when Prince Charlie was north here - the Mackintosh of Mackintosh, the Laird of Moy Hall, he was away with the government troops. But, the Laird's wife, who was an ardent Jacobite, was on the side of Prince Charlie. So, there were twisters in those days too. You see, there was that in that family. They fished both sides of the river! And, Prince Charlie came to Moy Hall and he was in that house - the Laird's house when one came to them and told them that Lord Loudon was advancing from Inverness to capture the Prince Charlie. Now, there were only about five men left. The rest were all off with the Jacobite army or the Hanoverians, I don't know which - whatever side they choose to fight for. Then, the Laird's wife called the old blacksmith, Donald Fraser, and there were only four other men. And, she placed them down the old roadway to intercept them. There were no roads, of course - but, where they were expected to come. And, it was dark and the soldiers were coming at night to make a surprise capture. And, when the men heard the soldiers coming, they started playing the pipes - blowing the pipes anyway - the bagpipe, and firing muskets. And, the Lord Loudon with a company of 200 men thought that the whole of the Highland host was there at Moy. And, the troops turned and fled. And, one of their pipers, MacCrimmon* from Skye was killed in the melee - in the rush to get away from the Highland Host as they supposed. But, there was nobody there but five men. Of course, the Highland blacksmith was voted a hero for what he did. And, his anvil was at the front door of Moy Hall up until about 1940. The chief that was there in my young days died. He died about 1938. I don't know what became of the anvil. Likely it was sold when the estate was sold out. But, you see there were twisters in those days too. Those who fought for Prince Charlie, a lot of them lost their estates or lost their lives, but the Mackintosh was sly enough. Of course, he had good folk on his side as you shall come to hear in a few minutes. * A bagpipe tune was afterwards composed called "MacCrimmon's Lament." ========= Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

----- Original Message ----- From: nida rogers To: SCT-ISLEOFMULL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Flora found and Oban. Dear Jill, Bingo ! That's my Flora GILLIES, the Census info squares with other things that I know about her. In respect of a "marriage ceremony", I re-call hearing, many years ago, that these things were sometimes conducted "over water" (a small burn or a river bridge perhaps?). For the hopeful benefit of other listers, I would like to quote, partially, a letter that I received (Jan.1989) from The Keeper, Scottish Catholic Archives, Edinburgh. "- - - Catholic parish registers are not kept here, but have remained in each locality. Those containing entries of before 1855 have been photocopied by the Scottish Record Office. - - - could you please pass on the above information to whoever gave you our address. This would save much needless correspondence with other enquirers. - - - - as for Oban, no church existed until 1886. This building never burnt down but was in use until 1934, when it was superseded by the present cathedral. There were very few catholics in the district before 1878, and no priest except in the tourist season - - - -". Thanks again, Jill. Regards, Iain (Hong Kong) iainida@hutchcity.com

Dave has raised an interesting point. I had always assumed that my great-grandmother Jane MacLean was a Presbyterian who married a German Catholic after she came to the U.S. Now, since her mother was a MacDonald on Skye, I'm wondering. Somewhere I heard that the Mormons didn't copy Catholic records as often as they did Protestant ones. True or false? And, if that's true, how could I find out about records from Catholic churches on Skye? Marion Markham

-----Mensaje original----- De: Nick Beaton <rnb@step.es> Para: SCT-lNVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-lNVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Fecha: 07 April 2000 22:38 Asunto: 1851 Skye Census Hello Listers, Have spent an inordinate amount of time this week searching the 1851 census microfilms for William & Mary BEATON + son Neil, who would have been around 25. I had expected to find them in Kilmuir or Portree, but no and not in Snizort, Bracadale or Duirinish for that matter. There must be an easier way!! I was told that there was a typed transcript of this census. Can anyone advise?? My above named ancestors were ordinary humble crofters, who for some reason, all of a sudden had sufficient wealth to be able to build a substantial residence in Portree. Is it possible that the family emigrated around 1850, made some fast cash and returned before 1861. I have not found any other possible solution. Grateful for any advice. TIA Nick BEATON.

In a message dated 06/04/00 7:02:56 PM Central Daylight Time, fraser2@starpower.net writes: << For most of this year The Frasers has been up and down. It has been an embarrassment. Every time I send out a message that the site is up and running, I wonder what the reader of the message must be thinking. >> I am thinking, as a reader, you are a man of great tenacity and fortitude who will not give up no matter what problems or how many disappointments you are faced with, and I am sure the rest of the readers feel the same. Congratulations on getting the site up and running. You are a credit to your race and ilk. DaveM.

G'day Cobbers, Am researching my McLEAN ancestry from Bannffshire and Moray, Scotland and would like to hear from any descendants of my McLEAN lineage. Have the following: 27 Dec 1999 Descendants of: Charles McLEAN 1 Charles McLEAN b. 1807/8? m. Jean BRODIE d. 29 Jan 1869 2 Charles McLEAN b. 1833 Whitehills, Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire d. 22 March 1902 m. 10 Jul 1856 at Rhynie, Parish of Rhynie Mary CLARK b. 4 Apr 1833 Bruntland, Rhynie, Scotland d. 7 Jun 1897 3 William McLEAN b. 13 June 1858 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland d. 5 July 1898 Germiston, Johannesburg, South Africa 3 Helen McLEAN b. 29 June 1859 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland d. 7 Sept 1861 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland 3 Charles McLEAN b. 15 Sept 1860 Garmoth, Moray, Scotland 3 Robert Clark McLEAN b. 17 Feb 1863 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland d. 20 Dec 1926 m. 19 Mar 1889 Kamirunga, Cairns, Queensland Amelia Benton WHITEHOUSE b. 28th June 1865 Birmingham, Warwick, England d. 16 April 1956 Cairns, Qld, Australia 3 Mary Ann McLEAN b. 31 Aug 1865 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland Unknown m. 26 Dec1891 Cairns, Queensland, Australia Edward McINTOSH b. c 1862 Inverness, Inverness, Scotland 3 John McLEAN b. 8 Sept 1867 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland 3 David Clark McLEAN b. 8 Feb 1871 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland d. 25 Sept 1907 Onslow, Western Australia, Australia 3 Jane Brodie McLEAN b. 25 Oct 1872 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland 3 Alexander McLEAN b. 18 Jun 1876 Garmouth, Moray, Scotland 2 Jane McLEAN b. 1836 Whitehills, Parish of Boyndie, Banffshir d. 4 March 1866 m. 8 Dec 1855 Boyndie, Banff, Scotland Harry INGLIS b. 1827 Deskford, Banff, SCT 3 John INGLIS b. 7 Jan 1857 Boyndie, Banff, Scotland Have the Aussie descendants of my line. Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 CFHS 8731 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, UK. BALDWIN - Kent, UK>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, UK BIRCH - Yorkshire, UK> Qld, Australia BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, UK. FRANCES - Australia GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, Scotland INCH - Cornwall, UK>New Zealand LEYLAND - Warwick, UK. LUMSDEN - New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Ireland>Qld, Australia McFADDEN - Ireland McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, Australia McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, Australia McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, Scotland>Qld, Australia McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Roxburgh, Scotland REEVES - Yorkshire (?), UK REYNOLDS - Cornwall, UK. RUDD - Qld, Australia SMITH - Scotland SPENCER - Scotland SPRENGER - Qld, Australia WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, UK. WILSON - Scotland>New Zealand email to: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Australian Genealogy: http://opax.swin.edu.au/andrew/aust_genealogy.html

Hi Folk I am on the trail of my G*2 Grandparents Neil & Rachel McLEAN (nee NICOLSON). On a copy of an 1855 Extract of an Entry in a Register of Birth it shows Neil & Rachel married at "Kilmure" 1841 Can someone tell me where this place is please? Or should it be "Kilmuir?? One of their children, my Greatgrandfather, Alexander, was born at Tote, Snizort 1856. According to his death certificate he arrived in New Zealand about the age of 9 years. Neil was a Sailor & crofter so I guess he travelled around the coast frequently. According to these details he was born at Broadford, Strath and Rachel at Stenscholl Eastside. If anyone can help me with these families I would love to hear from you. TIA Rachel Alliston Cardiff...Hunter Valley...Australia ralliston@optusnet.com.au (Default) alliston@msn.com.au

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ The Grooves in the Stone Church at Dunlichity Burial Ground, Bonnie Prince Charlie and the Battle of Culloden I don't know what else Andrew showed you. Of course, he had to show you where they were sharpening their swords before the Battle of Culloden. You see, Prince Charlie, he fought a battle of Preston Pans and then he spent 6 weeks in Edinburgh dancing with the women, and then, he set off for London to claim the crown. And, he was surrounded at Derby town in England and then retreated to Scotland and fought a battle at Falkirk and then camped about Dunlichity there, so the story goes. And, that was where they were sharpening their swords. In any case, it was just about the time of the Battle of Culloden and you know the outcome of that battle which was a good thing for Scotland and for its people. That Prince Charles, as they called him - Bonnie Prince Charlie, he turned out just to be a drunken rogue at the end of his days. After looking at the old letter of yours and I see by it what I have recorded on a former tape - the tape that you took when you were with us. But, I forgot all about it. So, you'll forgive an old man whose memory isn't what it was 50 or 60 or 70 years ago. But, I'll tell you a few more stories. I'm not long to survive because you could hear from my voice that it's a bit rough. I'm not just putting it on, I'm telling you. ======== I have pictures of the corner stones on the church in the Dunlichity Burial Ground, which have the grooves where the men sharpened their swords before the Battle of Culloden, which is about 15 miles away. I read a story in 1998 that a maintenance vehicle accidentally backed into those corner stones, and that they may no longer exist. I heard from several people that Bonnie Prince Charlie and his men camped right by Dunlichity Burial Ground on the way back from England, just before Culloden. Another story I heard (I believe from Jane Macgillivray) - after Culloden the English suspected that Bonnie Prince Charlie was hiding in Gask, another ancestral village near by, and that the English came and burned Gask to the ground in order to try to find Bonnie Prince Charlie. Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

If not Presbyterian Macdonalds then what Dave? -----Original Message----- From: ScotHeritage@aol.com <ScotHeritage@aol.com> To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: April 6, 2000 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Re: McDougall & McDonald >In a message dated 06/04/00 2:13:55 AM Central Daylight Time, >dcjcccnc@greatcircle.net.au writes: > ><< Hi Alex, > I also have McDougalls & McDonalds from Skye - they were Presbyterians > when they came here (Victoria Australia) and probably the same in Skye. > Marion (Sarah) McDougall married Charles Finlayson on 25-12-1856 at > Snizort, her parents were Donald McDougall and Mary McDonald. She was > born in about 1833 but I haven't found an entry on the IGI to match and > still haven't sent away for the marriage certificate - parents names are > from her death certificate (which states that her father was a farmer). > There were of course lots of McDougalls and especially McDonalds on Skye > but perhaps there is a connection between our families in the previous > generation. > Regards, Jeanne C > >> >Unusual to have a Presbyterian MacDonald, especially at that time is it not? >DaveM. > >______________________________

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ Covenanter Hollow Now, Andrew brought you along again to a big hollow in one of these fields. It's known as the Covenanter Hollow. I'm sure that if you're acquainted with the history of Scotland, you'd have read and heard of the Covenanters. These were the men and women who were driven around the country and hounded from pillar to post by the Ecclesiastics of those days, who were Episcopalians or Roman Catholics. They tried to stamp out the Protestant religion, you see. Of course, in those days there were a lot of people in the district, but there were no churches. There were no buildings. There were no roads. But there was an excellent hollow for speaking in. If you went down into that hollow and started to shout, you could scarcely believe your ears to hear how the sound echoes. And, it was an ideal place. It was a hollow that could keep at least a couple of thousand people with great comfort and they could hear without any hearing aids or any of the present day appliances for such purposes. But, that's my story about that part. ======= [I have a picture of Covenanter Hollow, plus I have marked the location on a map. It is south of the Dunlichity Burial Ground, a little further away from Andrew Smith's farm (Dunlichity Farms). - cfl] Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

Dear Friend, Today was Tartan Day in the US and Canada. An opportunity for all people of Scottish heritage to remember those who came before us to North America. Those brave Scotsmen and Scotswomen who left their native Scotland and came to the new world. The contributions they made in both countries is endless. This is only one day, but we should remember them always, and every year Tartan Day will remind us should we forget. For most of this year The Frasers has been up and down. It has been an embarrassment. Every time I send out a message that the site is up and running, I wonder what the reader of the message must be thinking. I was loyal too long to the hosting company. Monday night the site was shut down with the old host. It was just not worth the stress. A Clansman by the name of Jim Frashure told me awhile back he would host the site. I sent a message to Jim Monday night. Tuesday, Jim had the ball rolling. Late Wednesday night the site was hosted on his service. Because of the generosity of Jim Frashure, the site is up and running. He is a giant of a man both in stature and heart. It is good to be hosted by our own kind. There is an ad at the bottom of the opening page for Jim's New-Quest service. Should you have hosting needs, please contact Jim at New-Quest. This is a good omen on Tartan Day, we have a reliable host for http://thefrasers.com Happy Tartan Day. My very best to all. Bob http://www.thefrasers.com This site is dedicated to all people of the name Fraser!! Please join in The Fraser Discussion Forum