In a message dated 12/04/00 2:41:58 AM Central Daylight Time, ronmck@computech.com.au writes: << Would SKS who has access to the 1841 Census for the parish of Knockbain R &C mind looking up a family of McKenzies,father Donald,mother Janet McBain. Donald or one of his sons should be resident at Kessock as the local ferryman or boatman. It is likely that Donald may have retired as he would be about 75 at the time the census was taken. Best Wishes Ron(Canberra) >> Would he have been the Captain of Elun Dubh I. When I was a boy we had the Elun Dubh, (The Black Isle) III doing the crossings, "Across Tha Ferry". Many a happy trip I took on that grand vessel. DaveM.

Sorry folks, I made a mistake in the naming of the people for the 1841 Census look up that I requested for the parish of Knockbain (R&C) The family is Donald McKenzie and Janet Noble (not McBain) Sincere Regrets Ron (Canberra)

Would SKS who has access to the 1841 Census for the parish of Knockbain R &C mind looking up a family of McKenzies,father Donald,mother Janet McBain. Donald or one of his sons should be resident at Kessock as the local ferryman or boatman. It is likely that Donald may have retired as he would be about 75 at the time the census was taken. Best Wishes Ron(Canberra)

Websters Dictionary c.1940 gives husbandman as "farmer, tiller of the ground". Regards Heather UK

Hi Harry, As shown in the list of occupations set to me by GBAlum@aol.com http://cpcug.org/user/jlacombe/terms.html it shows Husbandman as a tenant farmer...... I knew there must be a difference between a farmer and husbandman as they were both shown in this list...... Thanks for your help, Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Duckworth wrote: > Dear Brian: > > I'm quite certain that "husbandman" is simply an old-fashioned term for a > farmer. It has nothing to do with marital status. It may have something > to do with whether the land was owned or rented - I think that in older > English documents (17th C) "farmer" tended to be used for a man who owned > the land - but the exact usage probably varied over time. Similarly, if > you called someone a "good husband", you were complimenting his skill in > farming, not how he treated his wife. > > The full edition of the Oxford English Dictionary probably has lots of > detail on how the word "husbandman" developed and was used at different > times. > > Regards, > > Harry Duckworth

In a message dated 10/04/00 10:43:10 AM Central Daylight Time, psmyth@lindsaycomp.on.ca writes: << Thanks Dave. I had been told that due to pressure by the government, probably my Macdonalds who fought with Prince Charles were not Catholic. I am looking for a Macdonald that I think was from Kilmuir parish who fought with the Jacobites. I understand that the Skye Macdonalds were not among the Jacobite clans. Pat >> There was "Old MacDonald" the piper who met up with Chairlie before he even raised his standard and stuck by him all the way to the end, then there were the MacDonalds of Keppoch and Clan Ranald, who were right bad buggers, and stuck on too along with my clan MacLean who went to the bitter end, even after Culloden when they regrouped at Ravenford I think it was. "Old MacDonald" was quite upset, being the Princes personal piper and all when the Macintosh or Cameron turned up in Edinburgh to pipe for the prince, and he was very quick to speak his piece. A Highlander is not known to keep his peace when dealing with one of his own, and pretty well just ignores the opinions of non Highlanders. We are a strange lot indeed, although I have seen great changes in the 'New Highlanders" in the south. DaveM.

In a message dated 11/04/00 4:56:06 AM Central Daylight Time, bryanfkeddy@ns.sympatico.ca writes: << I think I got it !!! Could the term Husbandman be used for a married farmer and a single or unmarried farmer was just that "a farmer" ??? This would help with this list in determining who was married or not!!!!! Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S. >> Good try, but it would be someone skilled in working with the animals, (animal husbandry),and no sheep jokes if you please. DaveM.

Bryan & Ian: The use of Husbandman/Husbandry is used (at least in the States) as the art of being a caretaker of ..., whether it be cattle, vinyards, etc. Being an agriculture major in college, I had courses in animal husbandry, etc. Bill Caddell Granbury, TX nida rogers wrote: > > Hello Bryan, > How are things in ' Slackers '? > I have never seen the word ' Husbandman ' as an actual occupation, however, > it could derive from the word ' husbandry '. This means, basically, seeing > that > something is well-managed, efficiently run and generally looked after. For > example, a person might say " that farm is well husbanded ", or, " you > should > husband your resources ". When I served in the navy, thirty years ago, the > captain of the ship would remark, from time to time, that " the state of the > ship's husbandry has declined ". I am sure that there are other listers who > could give you a better explanation. > Regards, Iain (Hong Kong) iainida@hutchcity.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryan Keddy <bryanfkeddy@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:48 PM > Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Husbandman!!!! > > > I think I got it !!! Could the term Husbandman be used for a married > > farmer and a single or unmarried farmer was just that "a farmer" ??? > > This would help with this list in determining who was married or > > not!!!!! > > > > Bryan Keddy > > Halifax, N.S. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > >

In a message dated 11/04/00 3:25:57 AM Central Daylight Time, bryanfkeddy@ns.sympatico.ca writes: << >From the article on the Jacobite Exciles it show occupations before the rebellion.....can someone please tell me what a Husbandman is????? Thanks, Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S. --------------------------------- >> Probably a sort of Veterinarian. Animal husbandry is what we call it. DaveM.

Hello Bryan, How are things in ' Slackers '? I have never seen the word ' Husbandman ' as an actual occupation, however, it could derive from the word ' husbandry '. This means, basically, seeing that something is well-managed, efficiently run and generally looked after. For example, a person might say " that farm is well husbanded ", or, " you should husband your resources ". When I served in the navy, thirty years ago, the captain of the ship would remark, from time to time, that " the state of the ship's husbandry has declined ". I am sure that there are other listers who could give you a better explanation. Regards, Iain (Hong Kong) iainida@hutchcity.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Keddy <bryanfkeddy@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Husbandman!!!! > I think I got it !!! Could the term Husbandman be used for a married > farmer and a single or unmarried farmer was just that "a farmer" ??? > This would help with this list in determining who was married or > not!!!!! > > Bryan Keddy > Halifax, N.S. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- >

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ The American War of Independence Now, when the American War of Independence was being fought, and I don't remember when that was, about 1750 or around [1776]. Perhaps you'll keep it right yourself. Or, perhaps a little later. The chief of the Mackintoshes was first and foremost to help with the American War of Independence, to keep it for the British, of course. And, you know, he mustered 500 clansmen. They were made up of Mackintoshes and MacQueens and McPhersons and MacBains and of course, there were Smiths among them because they were on his estate. And, they went across to America. I think that they had a pretty hard time of it on their voyage, I think pirates and all. But, they were there under the command of Lord Cornwallis. But, Lord Cornwallis was defeated severely by the Americans. Of course, they were mostly British anyway. And, that finished the campaign. So, after the defeat, it is quite possible that many of those Highlanders remained in America because they had no way of getting back. Because, that's what happened to the MacQueens who went to the Battle of Harlaw with the Lord of the Isles, the MacQueens that were fighting there in Aberdeenshire as I have told you earlier on in the tape. And, when they were defeated, they just stayed on in the country where they were and that is how there are a number of MacQueens at this present time who are to be found in Aberdeenshire. ========= Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

I think I got it !!! Could the term Husbandman be used for a married farmer and a single or unmarried farmer was just that "a farmer" ??? This would help with this list in determining who was married or not!!!!! Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>From the article on the Jacobite Exciles it show occupations before the rebellion.....can someone please tell me what a Husbandman is????? Thanks, Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Listers, Here's another update to my Scotland Glens website thanks to Elizabeth Brownell which she kindly sent me.....First of which is the two Glenurquhart tartans (winter and summer weight)....these are sure to cross your eyes <grin>.....and yes the colors are black and white..... Secondly, the list of the 81 men from Urquhart and Glenmoriston who were exciled to Barbadoes after the '45 rebellion.....as was shown in an article from the Northern Chronicle Inverness on Dec. 2, 1909..... Both can be found at http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/Glen1.html Watch for more updates soon!!!! Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S.

Looking for relatives of: Donald Joseoh Mc Leod 1921-1990. Wife Annie Lennon from Dunoon Area. Parents: Hugh Mc Leod & Annie Mc Kinnon. Hugh Mc Leod is my Grandfather.

Hi all, It's been a while since I posted a update to my Scotland Glens website - I had a Netscape crash on Friday and it took a while to get a new one loaded as well as get all my addresses etc back - (guess it's all part of the game we play!).... I have just finished entering the complete Passenger List for the Edward Johnstone....which was submitted by J.R. Mingins a while back but again I was having touble posting it as it was in XL format - well I just got Office 2000 installed last night and was able to convert it to a word document.....anyway hope you enjoy - and possibly find some connections!!!! http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/Glen1.html For all Glenurquhart & Glenmoriston researchers - please check out the new e-groups mail list (again - on my website).....it's was set up by Robert Stewart (who lives in Drumnadrochit) and his intentions are to connect the people who live in the area with other's like myself who live away but have a deep interest in the area and it's people..... Cheers, Bryan Keddy Halifax, N.S.

Tales of Dunlichity - The Stories of Willie MacQueen Copyright © 1997, William MacQueen, Charles F. Larimer To see pictures of Willie MacQueen visit my web site at http://pages.prodigy.net/clarimer/ Willie's First Wages - The Beating Now, perhaps you would like to know how I earned my first wages. There were a lot of grouse in Scotland in those days, and there were a lot of game keepers and the Highland Lairds and all that. At the age of 10, I was sent out to the beating. Now, I don't suppose you know what the beating is. But, the wealthy people, they had the shooting of the grouse and they would be in the butts. And, they used to collect all the boys and unemployed folks who used to drive the grouse in a semicircle right onto the butts where the men with the guns hid - maybe a mile or a half a mile, whatever the drive would be more or less. So, it was quite a great time. I was getting six shillings a day. That was in 1923 when I was 10. But of course, when it came on to 1930, when I was 17, the time of the Great Depression, my wage wasn't reduced because I was at such an age. But, those that started then, according to your age - you started at three shillings and sixpence and from there it moved up. ========= A question for listers - my mother said she remembered a movied called "The Beating," starring Gregory Peck, which was about a beating as described by Willie. Does anyone know anything about that movie, or if it did star Gregory Peck? Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net

Please, Could someone lookup a JOHN GRANT and wife ELIZABETH HUNTER and Family they were from Inverness. They might have both passed away there before June of 1869. I am looking for a daughter MARGARET GRANT that was born in Inverness. Please can someone help? Thank you, Martha

In a message dated 10/04/00 7:30:02 AM Central Daylight Time, clarimer@prodigy.net writes: << At the age of 10, I was sent out to the beating. Now, I don't suppose you know what the beating is. But, the wealthy people, they had the shooting of the grouse and they would be in the butts. And, they used to collect all the boys and unemployed folks who used to drive the grouse in a semicircle right onto the butts where the men with the guns hid - maybe a mile or a half a mile, whatever the drive would be more or less. >> This reminded me of a time just outside Arderseear when I was about 10 or 12 and sent into the filed to beat for my uncles. I had two sticks to bang together as I wend and disturbed the bush etc. I came over a fence and got about 2,000 yards into the field when I came nose to nose with a very large bull, who did not seem that happy to meet me. I am not sure if I dropped the sticks or threw them up in the air in that moments hesitation while the RUN message was transferred from the brain to the feet. Off I went back the way I came like the hammers of hell, the bull close behind. As I passed my uncles they asked what was wrong I just made the sign with my thumb pointing behind and I was off no words need be said they would find out soon enough anyway. I was able to fly over the fence, funny the power fear gives us, and I was leaning against the car with my aunt and cousins when Uncle Gorddie and Stan came running through the trees. It was a good laugh watching them melt away the seconds trying to figure out who would leap the fence first and who would hold the guns. I think they did more damage to each other than the bull would have. Once we stopped running, so did the bull. Dave M. and that's no bull.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BFA326.8DDE3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Gt.Grandfather, Charles b.Fort William1816. M. Janet Rose 1836 in Inverness He had Jeweller-Watchmakers shop in Bridge St opposite The Steeple. Attached are details of family I am searching for, Can anyone help me please? ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BFA326.8DDE3CE0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Ellenor Campbell.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Ellenor Campbell.eml" From: "Colin Merrett" <colvi@acr.net.au> Subject: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:02:01 +1000 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Unsent: 1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Can you help me find the family of Ellenor Louisa Campbell ? she was born Jan 1867. I live in Australia and will be in Britain during July and August this year. I have spent lots of time and money trying to find a living relative of Charles Campbell. He was born 1840 in Fort William.Mother Janet Rose, Father Charles Campbell, he had Jewellers, Watchmaker`s shop in Nelson St. Tradeston Glasgow. He died 1880 at Scotland St Glasgow. Ellenor`s Mother, Ellenor Bowman died in London in 1869, and Charles remarried, to Jane Ann Margaret Reith 1870. Jane came from Aberdeen. Their Children were, Jane b.1871, she married Phillip Brassington 1899, they had a son Phillip born 1900, he died 1972. Can`t find his family yet... Roseanna b.1875, Colin Janes Reith b.1876, he married Francis Shuttleworth 1902. Can`t find any of their children. George Douglas b.1878 and my Father David Chamers b. 1883 at Kelvin Dr. Glasgow. The other children were born and married in Middlesex .England. Jane Reith died in Glasgow 1885. My Father was raised in Glasgow and the rest of the family went back to Middlesex, contact was lost then. Ellenor Louisa was raised in Glasgow by her Grandparents, they lived at Scotland St. When her Grandfather died in 1880, she lived with Grandmother and Aunt Roseanna, who was married to John Tait Fraser, at Victoria Rd. I traced the Fraser family. Can`t find marriage or family of Ellenor, would appreciate some help..... Please contact Vi Merrett...P.O. Box 560. Bateman`s Bay N.S.W 2536 Australia. oe e-mail colvi@acr.net. au ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01BFA326.8DDE3CE0--