In a message dated 15/05/00 11:07:01 PM Central Daylight Time, mclean@ctaz.com writes: << Still looking for info on our McLean family (aka MacLean in some docs) who came on the ship The Sarah in 1801. Register says they are from Kilmorack, Invernesshire. William McLean and Margaret are grouped together on the list, Don McLean and Mary with Katherine; John McLean (10) and William McLean (8) are grouped together. Assuming this is all the same family. The boy, William (8) is my great great great grandfather who settled in New Glasgow - Frasers Mountain to be exact. Anyone have any info on where this family might have come from? Rob (and Dianne) McLean From Mull wuld be the first guesse, after that check Ross and Cromerty then Inverness. Dave M.

In a message dated 15/05/00 12:49:43 PM Central Daylight Time, mackenzi@cytanet.com.cy writes: << Hello all, In paragraph 6 of an extract of marriages, my G Grandfather's certificate is signed "Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Inverness Elgin and Nairn dated 6th Sep 1939" (the date is the same date as the marriage). I presume that this was an irregular marriage. Can anyone assist on this at all ie. what is the definition of an irregular marriage, does the fact that it has been signed by the Sheriff signify that he has been a "naughty boy "? Many thanks for your help Alan Mackenzie >> Scotland was at war in 1939 perhaps they were military which made the marriage irregular in as much as times of bands etc., may of been eased. The Sheriff in Scotland is different from in the US. more involved in the collection of fees taxes and tariffs. DaveM.

Still looking for info on our McLean family (aka MacLean in some docs) who came on the ship The Sarah in 1801. Register says they are from Kilmorack, Invernesshire. William McLean and Margaret are grouped together on the list, Don McLean and Mary with Katherine; John McLean (10) and William McLean (8) are grouped together. Assuming this is all the same family. The boy, William (8) is my great great great grandfather who settled in New Glasgow - Frasers Mountain to be exact. Anyone have any info on where this family might have come from? Rob (and Dianne) McLean

These are my family names - they could be yours! BEEBY: pre 1850 Great Addington,NTH,ENG. CARL(E)TON/CALTON: c1847 Ormside,Appleby; ->c1867Scattergate,Appleby; ->c1871 Willows,Bolton,Morland; ->c1874 Appleby. [All WES,ENG] COPELAND: SCT - possibly Fort William,INV or Port William,WIG. From places of birth London,MDX,ENG & Newcastle on Tyne,NBL,ENG & Birkenhead,CHS,ENG; >Keighley,WRY,ENG. DOWNES: 1800-1821 Aston,WAR,ENG GIBSON: 1800+ Bighton,near Alresford,HAM,ENG; ->?1850-1857KEN,ENG ->1857-1862 MBH,NZ; ->1862-1863 Stone,KEN,ENG [There's an interesting family legend about this visit]; ->1863+MBH,NZ; ->c1913 Murchison,NLN,NZ [17 June 1929 Murchison Earthquake] MARTIN: c1800-1860 Yardley,WOR,ENG [->Bordesley,WAR,ENG] PACKMAN: pre 1862 Greenhithe/Stone,KEN,ENG; ->1865+MBH,NZ PAINE/PAYNE: c1813 Great Addington,NTH,ENG, [One branch remained Great Addington 1813-?1914]; ->1874 Appleby,WES,ENG; ->1875 Kirkby Stephen,WES,ENG; -> 1877 Mordale Moor,YKS,ENG; ->1879 Swallow Hill,Distington,CUL,ENG or Barrow-in Furness,LAN,ENG; ->1882-1884 Barrow-in-Furness,LAN,ENG; -> 1881-1891 Hunderthwaite,Teesdale,DUR,ENG; -> 1891 Hury Baldeisdale,DUR,EMG; -> 1892-1894 Hury, Hunderthwaite,DUR,ENG; Waskerley, Muggleswick R.D.,ENG: -> 1899 Hisehope Reservoir,Muggleswick R.D.,ENG; ->1901 Mickleton,YKS,ENG; -> 1904-1912 West Pasture,Mickleton,YKS,ENG; -> Consett,DUR,ENG; [This branch remained in Middleton-in-Teesdale,DUR,ENG] -> c1900 DUR,ENG; -> 1903-1905 Muggleswick,YKS,ENG; -> 1908-1950 Birkenhead,CHS,ENG; [This branch remained in Liverpool area] -> 1926 AUS; -> 1927 NZ!!! [This is my father and it's why I am here] PARKHOUSE: c1800 WOR,ENG. PAYTON/PEYTON/PEATON: c1800-1870 Birmingham/Bordesley/Aston,WAR,ENG; c1850-1880 Solihull/Balsall Heath Kings Norton/Yardley,WOR,ENG; c1900-1915 Walstall,STS,ENG; 1863 Holborn,London,ENG; c1870 Ealing,MDX,ENG; ->1874 Wellington,WTN,NZ; ->c1876; WAN,NZ; ->c1890 MBH,NZ ROWE: c1800 Great Addington,NTH,ENG. WILKES: c1850-1800 Birmingham,WAR,ENG WINDEBANK: c1800 Bighton,near Alresford,HAM,ENG Thank you for reading so far. I would be interested to learn more and to share what I know Jim Jim & Bev Payne, 2 Silver Birch Grove, Nelson, New Zealand Phone & Fax 03 546 8999 e-mail jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz

Thank you Elizabeth for your reply and advice regarding Fort William/Kilmallie parish Jim Jim & Bev Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz Researching COP(E)LAND

Hello all, In paragraph 6 of an extract of marriages, my G Grandfather's certificate is signed "Warrant of Sheriff Substitute of Inverness Elgin and Nairn dated 6th Sep 1939" (the date is the same date as the marriage). I presume that this was an irregular marriage. Can anyone assist on this at all ie. what is the definition of an irregular marriage, does the fact that it has been signed by the Sheriff signify that he has been a "naughty boy "? Many thanks for your help Alan Mackenzie

Could SKS please help with a lookup of the 1851 Census? I am searching for a John Scott (or Macdonald) aged around 25 Also Margaret McDiarmid (McDermot, McDermid) aged around 20 Also Jane McDiarmid (McDermot, McDermid) aged around 21 Also Janet (Jessie) McDiarmid (McDermot, McDermid) aged around 25 Also Isabella McDiarmid (McDermot, McDermid) aged around 17 I believe that they may have been in Lanarkshire in 1851, most probably Old Monkland, New Monkland, Hamilton, Dalziel, Cambusnethan or Shotts Parishes. John Scott MacDonald (as he was calling himself then!) was married in 1853 to Margaret McDiarmid. In 1853 they were both living at Calderbank Iron Works. I know it is a lot to ask, but this family (the McDiarmid girls) seem to have disappeared from the Kilmallie / Kilmonivaig (Brackletter) area near Fort William sometime after the 1841 census then variously reappear (some in the aforementioned area of Lanarkshire) after 1853. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jack Stead

Dear Dave, I must have missed your earlier postings regarding your research into Scottish slaves/indentured servants. Perhaps you could either forward your earlier messages to me personally or advise me of the dates you sent them. Has anyone written a book on the subject? Perhaps you are about to!! Best wishes, Paul. HIGHLAND HOMECOMINGS PROJECT http://www.scotweb.org/homecomings

I have seen some years when Ft. George was eneumerated with the rest of Ardersier, but I can't remember if 1861 was one of them. There is no index, however it is not that large and the film could be scanned in a couple of hours. It's available through the LDS. David. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Annekaiser@aol.com> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Fort George in 1861 Census > Were the soldiers and their families living at Fort George in 1861 enumerated > with the inhabitants of Ardersier? If so, is there an index to Ardersier? > > Many thanks for any help. > > Best wishes from North Florida, USA > > Anne >

In a message dated 15/05/00 10:01:20 AM Central Daylight Time, paul.basu@ucl.ac.uk writes: << Dear Dave, I must have missed your earlier postings regarding your research into Scottish slaves/indentured servants. Perhaps you could either forward your earlier messages to me personally or advise me of the dates you sent them. Has anyone written a book on the subject? Perhaps you are about to!! Best wishes, Paul. >> There is a great reluctance to talk about this topic and much of the information I get comes in drips and drabs. I am still trying to get two more verifications to the latest information. I shall be more than happy to share all and any information. As for the book writing I shall leave that to those more scholarly than I who can do these people the justice they deserve. Dave M.

I may have found my gr-grandmother's brother on a list of passengers arriving in Canada in 1853. If it is him, it means that he and probably my gr-grandmother, Jane MacLean were still on Skye when the 1851 census was taken. If anyone has access to the census for Strath, would they mind looking him up? His age was given as 26, so he was born in either 1826 or 1827. Could I order a birth certificate search if I didn't know the names of his parents? Also, do any of the Canadian listers, know what 'f' stands for in the "Port" column. I assume it's a code for the arrival port. And, if I have the Fiche and page #, could I order a printed copy of that? If so, where? Marion Markham

Dear Scottish Listers, I am trying to establish whether my 3rd gr. grandfather had any siblings. He was James MACPHERSON, son of Lachlan MACPHERSON and Marjory CLARKE, baptised on 15/3/1809 at Laggan, Inverness. The IGI does not record any further children to Lachlan and Marjory and I wondered whether Marjory had died, Lachlan remarried and further children were born from the new wife. Is anyone else researching this family? Are there any census records for 1811 and 1821 and, if so, would someone very kind be willing to search for me? James MACPHERSON lived in Kingussie after his marriage in 1839, so the family may have moved there at some stage before that. Thanks go to Elizabeth Brownell who has helped me a lot thus far - I am reluctant to ask any more of you, Elizabeth! Regards to all Dale Mathieson Perth W Australia

J.P. = Justice of the Peace, something like a Magistrate who would preside over a court of petty sessions, I think normally with two others. No formal legal training but would have been pillars of the establishment. Noel ----- Original Message ----- From: Del. Christien <bc_fam@telusplanet.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 15 May 2000 2:58 Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Fw: Robertsons of Struan( from clanline/desktop) > > Subject: Robertsons of Struan( from clanline/desktop) > On the following copy, could someone clarify the meanings of the following... > > GEORGE DUNCAN OF STRWAN: Major General; C.B., K.L.; > ~ What would the C.B. and K.L. stand for? > > GEORGE DUNCAN OF STROWAN: (Styled Struan Robertson): J.P > ~ J.P. would stand for?? > > I have an Hon. Duncan Robertson, Major General and Chief Justice of the Custos Rotal...... (can't read the last word - fairly long. Just wondering if he could be the same...) > > Any input greatly appreciated! > Del. >

Chris, Have you tried to get the death certificate. This should show where she was born, depending on who furnished the information and also her age. Is there a burial record or notice in the newspaper? There should be some record of her entering Australia, even though she did not emmigrate. Do you know the ship she came on? The Australian Archives should have some record of entry or of applying to stay or for Australian citizenship? What makes you think she was born in London? Some many questions??? Regards, Jan >I am researching JEAN DAISIE JOHNSTONE, Nurse who left Inverness in 1922 for >a visit to Australia and ended up staying and marrying in 1923 at >Stanmore,NSW,AUS to RALEIGH GILBERT DAVIDSON, Grazier. She died at Port >Macquarie,NSW,AUS after living for many years in Merriwa, NSW,AUS. > >I am endeavouring to find her roots in Inverness, Scotland although new >evidence suggests she was born in London,England c1890. The information that >I have to hand is > >Father's name >ROBERT RODERICK RONALD JONSTONE, Professor of Greek >born Scotland c 1860 > >Mother's name >ELIZABETH MCDONALD >born Scotland > > >She had two sisters Ann who died in infancy and Jessie who never married who >lived in Inverness and previously in Bournemouth,England. I have no other >information re: the Inverness connection other than a photograph of their >rather stately home that I am told was in Inverness. > >As she did not immigrate I assume there would be no Australian records >re:her entry into Australia >- the details above have been gleaned from her marriage certificate here in >Australia and from her 76 year year old daughter BETTY JEAN LEE (nee >DAVIDSON) who is desperate to find her roots. > >I would be most grateful if someone had any information to help us with or a >pointing in the right direction would be gratefully received. Many thanks >for the opportunity to use lister's collective experience. > >Christine E Lewis >in mild Sydney,Australia > >

My GG Grandfather, Malcolm MacCrimmon married Isabella MacLennan (MacLellan) on January 18, 1819 in Glenelg. We have a Malcolm MacCrimmon family gathering in Glengary Co., Ontario, Canada this Aug and I am trying to find out about threir family before they left Glenelg. Malcolm, his wife and children sailed from Scotland on Oct 2, 1824, they landed in Lnachaster, Ontario, Canada on the 4th of Dec., 1824. Any information on the family before they left Glenelg would be appreciated. Regards, Ed Gardiner (Kingston, Ontario, CANADA)

In a message dated 14/05/00 8:57:45 PM Central Daylight Time, egardiner1@home.com writes: << My GG Grandfather, Malcolm MacCrimmon married Isabella MacLennan (MacLellan) on January 18, 1819 in Glenelg. We have a Malcolm MacCrimmon family gathering in Glengary Co., Ontario, Canada this Aug and I am trying to find out about threir family before they left Glenelg. Malcolm, his wife and children sailed from Scotland on Oct 2, 1824, they landed in Lnachaster, Ontario, Canada on the 4th of Dec., 1824. Any information on the family before they left Glenelg would be appreciated. Regards, Ed Gardiner (Kingston, Ontario, CANADA) Ed you lucky devil if its the first weekend of Aug you can attend the Highland Games in Maxville. Kingston is a grand town, have you been to dinner at Old Ft. Henry. They used to serve mess in the 18th century style with the Co and subalterns and guests. A right treat in that great old hall. RMC is also a grand place to visit and see the Cadets perform. I have had the pleasure of visiting Kingston on several occasions and used to park the motor home at the end of the road by the water just by where you turn right off the main drag. Dave M.

In a message dated 14/05/00 7:51:17 PM Central Daylight Time, Annekaiser@aol.com writes: << Were the soldiers and their families living at Fort George in 1861 enumerated with the inhabitants of Ardersier? If so, is there an index to Ardersier? Many thanks for any help. Best wishes from North Florida, USA Anne >> If not they will be carried on the Regimental Rolls. Cameron Highlanders, The 79th also Queens Own Cameron Highlanders after 1873 The 79th Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders were raised by Alan Cameron of Erracht in 1793, in 1873 they were made The Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders and in 1881 they were the only Highland regiment not affected by the Cardwell Reforms and they retained their kilt until they were amalgimated with the Seaforth and Sutherland Highlanders in the 1980ties I think it was, or perhaps 70ties. Memory laps sorry. dave M. I hope these click and goes help; <A HREF="http://www.army.mod.uk/army/press/museums/details/m187regi.htm">Regi mental Museum of Queens Own Highlanders</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/uk/bargxref.htm">list of regimental web sites</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/milhist/search.htm">Land Forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth: Search</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/">Land Forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth</A> <A HREF="http://www-saw.arts.ed.ac.uk/">The Scots at War Title Page</A> <A HREF="http://www.du.edu/~tomills/military/uk/bargxref.htm">British Army Index of Regimental Web Sites</A> <A HREF="http://www.army.mod.uk/army/organise/infan/highland/main.htm">The Highlanders - Home page</A>

I am researching JEAN DAISIE JOHNSTONE, Nurse who left Inverness in 1922 for a visit to Australia and ended up staying and marrying in 1923 at Stanmore,NSW,AUS to RALEIGH GILBERT DAVIDSON, Grazier. She died at Port Macquarie,NSW,AUS after living for many years in Merriwa, NSW,AUS. I am endeavouring to find her roots in Inverness, Scotland although new evidence suggests she was born in London,England c1890. The information that I have to hand is Father's name ROBERT RODERICK RONALD JONSTONE, Professor of Greek born Scotland c 1860 Mother's name ELIZABETH MCDONALD born Scotland She had two sisters Ann who died in infancy and Jessie who never married who lived in Inverness and previously in Bournemouth,England. I have no other information re: the Inverness connection other than a photograph of their rather stately home that I am told was in Inverness. As she did not immigrate I assume there would be no Australian records re:her entry into Australia - the details above have been gleaned from her marriage certificate here in Australia and from her 76 year year old daughter BETTY JEAN LEE (nee DAVIDSON) who is desperate to find her roots. I would be most grateful if someone had any information to help us with or a pointing in the right direction would be gratefully received. Many thanks for the opportunity to use lister's collective experience. Christine E Lewis in mild Sydney,Australia

In a message dated 14/05/00 6:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, celewis@one.net.au writes: << I have no other information re: the Inverness connection other than a photograph of their rather stately home that I am told was in Inverness. As she did not immigrate I assume there would be no Australian records re:her entry into Australia - the details above have been gleaned from her marriage certificate here in Australia and from her 76 year year old daughter BETTY JEAN LEE (nee DAVIDSON) who is desperate to find her roots. I would be most grateful if someone had any information to help us with or a pointing in the right direction would be gratefully received. Many thanks for the opportunity to use lister's collective experience. Christine E Lewis in mild Sydney,Australia >> Can you put a picture of the house on the net so we can maybe identify it and give you the address. DaveM.

In a message dated 14/05/00 11:56:57 AM Central Daylight Time, bc_fam@telusplanet.net writes: << GEORGE DUNCAN OF STRWAN: Major General; C.B., K.L.; ~ What would the C.B. and K.L. stand for? The CB is military Honour and KL is Knight L..... so he would be Major General Sir George Duncan GEORGE DUNCAN OF STROWAN: (Styled Struan Robertson): J.P ~ J.P. would stand for?? JP Justice of the Peace. I have an Hon. Duncan Robertson, Major General and Chief Justice of the Custos Rotal...... (can't read the last word - fairly long. Just wondering if he could be the same...) If he has the Hon, (honorable or Right Honorable) chances are he was in the Parliament as they are all such twisters they have to add the Honorable. Justice, Sir Duncan Robertson Esq. His title of Sir or Knight from the entry above. Any input greatly appreciated! Del. >>