Am trying to trace Murdoch McCodrum b Abt 1790 in North Uist, moved to Skye, changed his name to MacDonald m Mary, had five daughters, Isobella, Marion, and Mary who m Alexander MacLeod. My family---Thank you---John Stinson

In message <017d01bfea52$450470c0$13cf37cb@pentium>, Jenny Craig <jcraig@hypermax.net.au> writes >Nature >Hello Listers > >I wonder if SKS could lookup the 1851 census for me please. > >I need information on John Macgillivray and his wife Frances who immigrated >to South Africa from Dingwall (near Inverness) in 1859. >They were accompanied by their four children, Margaret, James Finlayson, >and Frances. John was a cabinet maker and the family settled at Fort >Beaufort, not far from Port Elizabeth where they landed on May 10th 1859. >I feel sure that the family was still in Scotland that the time of the >census.. I understand that Finlayson (my ggrandfather) was about 8 when >they arrived in South Africa. He was the third child so guessing Frances and >John could have been married around 1842-47. I am not having any luck >searching in South Africa at this stage. >Any information would be greatly appreciated, I'm really stuck on this one! >Kind regards >Jenny Craig >Australia > > > Hi Jenny According to the 1851 census there was only one McGillivray living in Dingwall "Hellen McGillivray, age 24, born at Daviot by Inverness. There are however a lot living in Inverness. One family is John McGillivray aged 36 and his 4 children, Finlay 2, Isabella 5, Donald 7, Malcolm 9,. There is no sign of a wife. Sorry I can not be of any real help. George -- George D. Christie " Change is not made without inconvenience, even from worse to better "

In Skye Militia Records 1812/1813 after the person's name and details, it gives "UV" and"PV". Presumably the V is for volunteer as other people are "Militia Volunteers". Any helpful suggestions?!! Thanks Heather UK

In a message dated 10/07/00 12:51:57 PM Central Daylight Time, mark@highland-family-heritage.co.uk writes: << Beaufort Castle is now the home of Mrs Ann Gloag, co-founder of Stagecoach, the 2nd biggest bus company in the UK. Regards, Mark Sutherland-Fisher >> and about 35% of Grey hound and several airlines in the USA. Dave M.

Hi folks, Most of the Fraser families with lines dating back to the 18th century are branches of what became known as the Clan Fraser of Lovat, the chief of whom is the present Lord Lovat, grandson of the Commando leader and great war hero. The actual clan to which most Frasers belong is Clan Fraser which is based in Aberdeenshire. How do you think the fishing port of Fraserburgh got it's name. The Clan Chief is Lady Saltoun. The Lovat Frasers are Roman Catholic and were staunch Jacobites, hence Lord Lovat being the last Peer to be executed for High Treason in 1746. The only Frasers entitled to call themselves "of Lovat" are Lord Lovat and his immediate family. Their seat was Beaufort Castle just outside Beauly, 10 miles north-west of Inverness and 10 miles south-west of Dingwall, at the head of the Beauly Firth, which becomes the Moray Firth when it reaches the town of Inverness. Beaufort Castle is now the home of Mrs Ann Gloag, co-founder of Stagecoach, the 2nd biggest bus company in the UK. Regards, Mark Sutherland-Fisher Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie Professional Genealogist specialising in the Highlands and 18th century see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScotHeritage@aol.com> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Fraser of Lovat > In a message dated 09/07/00 12:19:00 PM Central Daylight Time, > Preston61@aol.com writes: > > << Does anyone know how you can tell whether a Fraser family is a "Fraser of > Lovat?" I've got a line on my husband's side that is from Scotland and have > been known as Fraser, Frazier, Frizzell, Frissell, and so on, but I've never > come across any "Fraser of Lovat." Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Sophia >> > > The easiest way to tell is your cat will be pregnant and your sheep missing, > it its the other way around they are not Lovat. > > Lovat is from Dingwall area of Ross and Cromerty, just north of Inverness. > Lord Lovat was a grand lad who started the commandos during the war. Quite > the lad he was. > Dave M. > PS the joke was to get Bryan going and I am sure he can answer your question. > >

Go to your nearest library and try and find Burke's landed Peerage (I think thats what its called) it is a reference book of the British titled aristocracy and the family will be in their with a fairly detailed genealogy. Try Scottish reference book and clan books as well - these families have ancestry which is well documented. I think they lived in a castle called Beaufort (??). Gail Lynch

Nature Hello Listers I wonder if SKS could lookup the 1851 census for me please. I need information on John Macgillivray and his wife Frances who immigrated to South Africa from Dingwall (near Inverness) in 1859. They were accompanied by their four children, Margaret, James Finlayson, and Frances. John was a cabinet maker and the family settled at Fort Beaufort, not far from Port Elizabeth where they landed on May 10th 1859. I feel sure that the family was still in Scotland that the time of the census.. I understand that Finlayson (my ggrandfather) was about 8 when they arrived in South Africa. He was the third child so guessing Frances and John could have been married around 1842-47. I am not having any luck searching in South Africa at this stage. Any information would be greatly appreciated, I'm really stuck on this one! Kind regards Jenny Craig Australia

In a message dated 10/07/00 4:33:21 AM Central Daylight Time, jcraig@hypermax.net.au writes: << I wonder if SKS could lookup the 1851 census for me please. I need information on John Macgillivray and his wife Frances who immigrated to South Africa from Dingwall (near Inverness) in 1859. They were accompanied by their four children, Margaret, James Finlayson, and Frances. John was a cabinet maker and the family settled at Fort Beaufort, not far from Port Elizabeth where they landed on May 10th 1859. I feel sure that the family was still in Scotland that the time of the census.. I understand that Finlayson (my ggrandfather) was about 8 when they arrived in South Africa. He was the third child so guessing Frances and John could have been married around 1842-47. I am not having any luck searching in South Africa at this stage. Any information would be greatly appreciated, I'm really stuck on this one! Kind regards Jenny Craig Australia >> You can get shipping lists and Info at <A HREF="http://web2.airmail.net/samhradh/">Radio Celtic Home Page</A> and Dingwal is in Ross and Cromarty <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctroc/index.htm">Ross and Cromarty Scotland Genealogy</A> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~brooms/genweb/ness/index.html">Inverness-shire Scotland Genealogy</A> Hope this helps a wee bit. Dave M.

Hello everyone, This is my first posting to this list and my first research into Scottish ancestors. My interest is in Angus NICOLSON who was born in Snizort about 1790. He married Flora MACDONALD about 1811. Flora was the daughter of Norman MACDONALD of Edinbane and Alexandrina McLEAN of North Uist. Can anyone help please. Eric in Australia

Malcolm Montgomery was in WWI - lived Stornoway. He later came to Canada B.C. How can I find his WW I Records, Enlistment papers, etc. Are they available.? Dorothy

In a message dated 09/07/00 7:38:37 PM Central Daylight Time, DorothyB2@prodigy.net writes: << Malcolm Montgomery was in WWI - lived Stornoway. He later came to Canada B.C. How can I find his WW I Records, Enlistment papers, etc. Are they available.? Dorothy >> <A HREF="http://www.du.edu/~tomills/military/uk/bargxref.htm">British Army Index of Regimental Web Sites</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/uk/uk.htm#pro">United Kingdom (British Empire & Commonwealth Land Forces)</A> <A HREF="http://www-saw.arts.ed.ac.uk/">The Scots at War Title Page</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/">Land Forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/_vti_bin/shtml.dll/milhist/search.htm">Land Forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth: Search</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/uk/bargxref.htm">list of regimental web sites</A> <A HREF="http://www.army.mod.uk/army/organise/infan/highland/main.htm">The Highlanders - Home page</A> <A HREF="http://www.spiderweb.com.au/~frasbett/">Scottish Names Research</A> You may also try Archives Canada on your search engine. Dave M.

In a message dated 09/07/00 3:02:30 PM Central Daylight Time, jmaceach@cbnet.ns.ca writes: << Just wondering if anyone on the list, knows anything about a Isaac Batt, who was possibly a fur trader in Hudson Bay back about 1700's. He was an ancestor in my Spence genealogy ,and he was possibly French, Isaac Batt married a Native Woman somewhere in the areas of Saskatchewan, Canada. Thanks, Liz MacEachern >> I doubt a French man would be with Hudson Bay Co. most of the Voyagures came out of Quebec and were in Huron and Iroquie country. If he was with the Bay he could very well be from the Hebridies a lot of them went with the company and many married natives because they had so much in common with the clan system and all. DaveM.

In a message dated 09/07/00 12:19:00 PM Central Daylight Time, Preston61@aol.com writes: << Does anyone know how you can tell whether a Fraser family is a "Fraser of Lovat?" I've got a line on my husband's side that is from Scotland and have been known as Fraser, Frazier, Frizzell, Frissell, and so on, but I've never come across any "Fraser of Lovat." Any ideas? Thanks, Sophia >> The easiest way to tell is your cat will be pregnant and your sheep missing, it its the other way around they are not Lovat. Lovat is from Dingwall area of Ross and Cromerty, just north of Inverness. Lord Lovat was a grand lad who started the commandos during the war. Quite the lad he was. Dave M. PS the joke was to get Bryan going and I am sure he can answer your question.

In a message dated 09/07/00 9:44:07 AM Central Daylight Time, mmrbm@ameritech.net writes: << Friends who had just returned from Ireland mention that they could see Scotland from the Devil's Causeway. That reminded to of once hearing that my gr-grandmother, Jane MACLEAN, said she could see Irish linen spread out in the sun to bleach. I know she was from Skye and I also know that her father, name unknown, was a fisherman. I originally thought she must be from the west coast of Skye because I read that was where the main fishing industry was in the early 1800s. From other info. I shifted to thinking about the east coast of Skye. But it doesn't seem likely that she could see Ireland from there. Does anyone know from where she might have been? I'd like some input from people who are familiar with Skye. Also, information about how I can purchase an Ordinance Map. Marion Markham >> She may of been from my wee village of melvieg and it was Skye she was looking at over the Minch. The whole village was MacLean, or perhaps she was on Skye and seeing Ireland, but that seems a long view. perhaps she was on Skye looking at Melveig, or Rathsey, the wee island stretch between us on the Minch. Everyone fished up north. I have seen the old 12 man row dorries going out into the Minch, some never to return. Dave M.

Just wondering if anyone on the list, knows anything about a Isaac Batt, who was possibly a fur trader in Hudson Bay back about 1700's. He was an ancestor in my Spence genealogy ,and he was possibly French, Isaac Batt married a Native Woman somewhere in the areas of Saskatchewan, Canada. Thanks, Liz MacEachern

Marion, Don't know abt view of Ireland from Skye, even tho I have been to Skye once, but it was misty, rainy and could not see very far. HOWEVER: the best and cheapest place to order Ordnance Maps is from Britrail's British Travel Shop. Over the past 10 years, I have ordered several dozen and they are great. Their address is 551 Fifth Ave 7ty Floor, New York, NY 10176 USA. Tele 1-800-677-8585. I always order by tele and with credit card...fastest way. I recommend the Ordnance Survey Landranger Maps ... $9.95 each. Maps # 23 (north Skye) and 32 (south Skye) cover nearly all of Skye. They are 1.25" to the mile...great maps with excellent details. Bill Caddell Listowner Marion Markham wrote: > > Friends who had just returned from Ireland mention that they could see > Scotland from the Devil's Causeway. That reminded to of once hearing that > my gr-grandmother, Jane MACLEAN, said she could see Irish linen spread out > in the sun to bleach. I know she was from Skye and I also know that her > father, name unknown, was a fisherman. I originally thought she must be > from the west coast of Skye because I read that was where the main fishing > industry was in the early 1800s. From other info. I shifted to thinking > about the east coast of Skye. But it doesn't seem likely that she could > see Ireland from there. Does anyone know from where she might have > been? I'd like some input from people who are familiar with Skye. Also, > information about how I can purchase an Ordinance Map. > > Marion Markham

Friends who had just returned from Ireland mention that they could see Scotland from the Devil's Causeway. That reminded to of once hearing that my gr-grandmother, Jane MACLEAN, said she could see Irish linen spread out in the sun to bleach. I know she was from Skye and I also know that her father, name unknown, was a fisherman. I originally thought she must be from the west coast of Skye because I read that was where the main fishing industry was in the early 1800s. From other info. I shifted to thinking about the east coast of Skye. But it doesn't seem likely that she could see Ireland from there. Does anyone know from where she might have been? I'd like some input from people who are familiar with Skye. Also, information about how I can purchase an Ordinance Map. Marion Markham

Lovat is a title i.e. Lord Lovat and Fraser is their family name. Gail Lynch

Does anyone know how you can tell whether a Fraser family is a "Fraser of Lovat?" I've got a line on my husband's side that is from Scotland and have been known as Fraser, Frazier, Frizzell, Frissell, and so on, but I've never come across any "Fraser of Lovat." Any ideas? Thanks, Sophia

http://www.ordnancesurvey.gov.uk/ web site for ordnance survey maps historical as well as present-day Hope this works Gail lynch