I talk and I talk and I talk...with so many young people out of work in the off school seasons, and looking for supplemental income, what a delightful job for some of the more historically minded ones, to earn some extra income. As I understand it, education is now in the pockets of the Scottish students now, whereas in the past it was relatively free. Not like here in Canada. The summer break, of up to four months for University students, is like a cattle market with kids clamouring over each other to get the few to none really good jobs, with the rest having to hunker down in restaurants and deal with the most hardened of owners and patrons. A job not worth a slave's time of day. They are abused and overworked like castoffs from society. But that is the way it has always been. Farmers won't hire them, so they import West Indian and Mexican workers, that work slow but can tolerate the heat and humidity. Now, if I could look forward to a minimum wage job, involving scouring the archives, photocopying and alphabetically setting up those new sticky photo albums with row on row of cut out obits, death, marriage and birth notices, and even social comments...I would put up with a relative low pay to be both educated, add to the worth of my community and be of assistance to all those who are desperate for the information. Then some bright soul could scan the results and post them on the community's web site...seems every little burgh has one these days. But, alas, it is too easy to imagine and too fragile a concept. Just think of all the community resources waiting to be transcribed. And, these little gaffers can even read and write. That is more than can be said about those who did it once, long ago. Add to that, a specified format in the form of a template...why the body just shivers to think what could be the result of such wayward and "dilettantish" thinking! Al Dempster [always the radical lunatic] Marion Baker wrote: > > Wouldn't it be great if somebody posted deaths from old Nairn > Newspapers. I wonder what is the oldest for the town of Nairn. > Marion > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. -- GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE... COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...so don't get mad, get even by using logic! In the Book of Islam we are told to do first with the word, then with the deed, then with the hand...ask, exemplify and then act...but above all...think. "There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it cannot be solved by brute strength and ignorance." Boyd Lopez - --------------------------------------------------------------------- You may get fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-school-of-hard-knocks technical advice at this address from yours truly. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the following fave progs AND services, but I do not advertise their use. SEARCH: COPERNIC 2000: http://www.copernic.com/ SOFTWARE: http://www.winfiles.com/ ANTI-VIRUS: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/ : http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ LATEST VIRAL UPDATE: http://www.antivirus.com/trendsetter/virus_report/ SECURITY: http://www.astalavista.com/ [plus lots of naughty bits] SUBSCRIBE: http://www.antivirus.com/subscriptions/default.asp GENEALOGY: http://www.mytrees.com/ + http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ LDS CENTRE: http://www.familysearch.org/ WAR STRATEGY FOR ALL OCCASIONS: http://www.chinastrategies.com/ LEGAL: http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/ BEST COMPUTER MAG: http://smartcomputing.com/ ANY QUESTION: http://www.askme.com/

Hi List, Elizabeth has been very helpful in locating the family of my gggrandparents in the OPR. John YOUNG and Ann MCEWAN married in 1802. They had four children: Martha b. 1806, Ann b. 1807, Mary (my ggrandmother) b. 1817 and Colin b 9 June 1820. Witnesses at several of the baptisms were Murdoch YOUNG and Roderick YOUNG (possibly brothers of John). If anyone is researching any of these people, I'd be more than happy to hear from you. Thank you, Gail Anderson Bates New Jersey, USA

In a message dated 03/09/00 8:24:56 PM Central Daylight Time, robert.kuzyk@sympatico.ca writes: << Dear List, I just looked up the James McLENNAN d. 1857, details of which I sent in my last message. On the IGI it looks like his mother's ms was THANE. The name on the d. cert. copy could be Thain, all I can say is that the last 3 letters are definitely 'ain'.... another way of spelling Thane, Maureen Kuzyk >> Tain it is also the name of a town. DaveM.

In a message dated 03/09/00 7:59:06 PM Central Daylight Time, robert.kuzyk@sympatico.ca writes: << 1857 Deaths : film 280 254 Inverness, Invernesshire # 174 Duncan McDONALD McDONALD Duncan General Labourer (married) 1857 July Twentythird 2h 30 m pm 36 Tomnahurich Street age 81 He will be buried at Tomnahurich Cemetry in Inverness proper. He lived right near where Stewart the Painter was. P: William McDONALD Crofter (Deceased) Margaret McDonald ms McDONALD (Deceased) Buried : KILMORE, GLEN URQUHART Not Certified* (signed) Samuel McDONALD Son of deceased, Present (very faint on the copy) Registered 1857 July 28th at Inverness James Davidson Registrar * Not Certified under the burial place would mean...... (I think) buried in a small cemetery or burial ground? All the other certificates I have seen with a burial place listed, say 'certified by so and so..... Sexton/Beadle or Undertaker.' Others on this page.... in case anyone needs a copy, which I will gladly send, are : # 172 James McLENNAN no occupation listed (single) 11 SIMPSON Lane Merkinch age 19 P : Finlay McLENNAN Sawyer and Elizabeth McLennan ms HAIN? Burial : Chapel Yard Inverness, John MARTIN Sexton Rgstd by Finlay McLENNAN Father Present. # 173 Alexander CAMERON (married) Farmer 20 TELFORD Rd. age 69? P : Alexander CAMERON Farmer Dcsd. and Helen Cameon ms FRASER Dcsd. Burial : Chapel Yard Inverness John MARTIN Sexton Rgstd by ANN? CAMERON Daughter Present. (very faint on the copy ) I sent for the above whilst trying to sort out the McDONALDs related to me who say (on the census) that they were born at GLEN URQUHART but their baptisms do not appear on the IGI or the OPR Fiche. At the moment my McDONALD search is still as clear as mud! I have a couple of other death certificates supposed to be related to me, which I will type up and post next time, in the hope that someone recognizes them. regards, Maureen Kuzyk >>

James MACLENNAN 1 Sep 1837 Inverness, Inverness, Scotland Father: Finlay MACLENNAN Mother: Elizabeth THANE C110986 1831-1855 0990980 Dear List, I just looked up the James McLENNAN d. 1857, details of which I sent in my last message. On the IGI it looks like his mother's ms was THANE. The name on the d. cert. copy could be Thain, all I can say is that the last 3 letters are definitely 'ain'.... another way of spelling Thane, Maureen Kuzyk

> L] Canadian coins on graves at Kilmore Churchyard, Glen Urquhart Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:23:00 +0100 From: CAREEN MACKENZIE <careen.m@virgin.net> To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > My sister has just been telling me that when she was visiting our > father's grave and her husband's grave at the new Churchyard at > Kilmore, Glen Urquhart she was surprised to find a Canadian coin on > the graves. > Further investigation showed that all the graves in the churchyard had > similar coins on them. Does anyone have an explanation for this? > Kind regards > Careen ----------------------------------- Hi Careen, Strange, might be a superstition. Did your sister mean.... lying on the stone or embedded in the stone. If embedded, I would think that someone overseas had paid for new stones, for relatives, since you say NEW Churchyard at Kilomre. Time to post my message about a McDONALD buried in the OLD Churchyard? Not really sure about that, as it doesn't say 'Churchyard' on the certificate and as I have no knowledge of the district I suppose it could be anywhere around KILMORE. I think this is the DUNCAN McDONALD who married ANN McDONALD, just based on what I have seen on the IGI. As far as I know, at this time, they are not related to me 1857 Deaths : film 280 254 Inverness, Invernesshire # 174 Duncan McDONALD McDONALD Duncan General Labourer (married) 1857 July Twentythird 2h 30 m pm 36 Tomnahurich Street age 81 P: William McDONALD Crofter (Deceased) Margaret McDonald ms McDONALD (Deceased) Buried : KILMORE, GLEN URQUHART Not Certified* (signed) Samuel McDONALD Son of deceased, Present (very faint on the copy) Registered 1857 July 28th at Inverness James Davidson Registrar * Not Certified under the burial place would mean...... (I think) buried in a small cemetery or burial ground? All the other certificates I have seen with a burial place listed, say 'certified by so and so..... Sexton/Beadle or Undertaker.' Others on this page.... in case anyone needs a copy, which I will gladly send, are : # 172 James McLENNAN no occupation listed (single) 11 SIMPSON Lane Merkinch age 19 P : Finlay McLENNAN Sawyer and Elizabeth McLennan ms HAIN? Burial : Chapel Yard Inverness, John MARTIN Sexton Rgstd by Finlay McLENNAN Father Present. # 173 Alexander CAMERON (married) Farmer 20 TELFORD Rd. age 69? P : Alexander CAMERON Farmer Dcsd. and Helen Cameon ms FRASER Dcsd. Burial : Chapel Yard Inverness John MARTIN Sexton Rgstd by ANN? CAMERON Daughter Present. (very faint on the copy ) I sent for the above whilst trying to sort out the McDONALDs related to me who say (on the census) that they were born at GLEN URQUHART but their baptisms do not appear on the IGI or the OPR Fiche. At the moment my McDONALD search is still as clear as mud! I have a couple of other death certificates supposed to be related to me, which I will type up and post next time, in the hope that someone recognizes them. regards, Maureen Kuzyk

My sister has just been telling me that when she was visiting our father's grave and her husband's grave at the new Churchyard at Kilmore, Glen Urquhart she was surprised to find a Canadian coin on the graves. Further investigation showed that all the graves in the churchyard had similar coins on them. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Kind regards Careen

Thanks!! to the several who replied to my query about Caithness. I did know that Caithness was a shire, but what had puzzled me was why the IGI entry said marriage was in Inverness, Inverness. Unlike most of the documents I have received, the format of the several entries on this one was not consistent. Some individuals were identified by occupation, some by parish, some OBVIOUSLY (now!) by shire, and some not at all. On further cogitation I decided that the marriage must have taken place in Inverness, that Marjorie DAVIDSON must be from Inverness, and that Charles CAMERON had at some time moved to Inverness from Caithness. Still not sure these are the ggg grandparents I am seeking, but have found by checking out Brian Keddy's wonderful census site that Malcolm appears to be a not "usual" name in at least that area of Scotland. When I put Malcolm CAMERON into FamilySearch looking for birth in Inverness (1814-1824) I get only TWO entries. I have already received one 1819 (which fits with his age on the 1881 Census) and will send for the other. Still eager to find connections so, if .... Charles CAMERON from Caithness, married 4 Feb 1815 to Marjorie DAVIDSON from Inverness, with 2 children Jannet CAMERON born 21 Oct 1817 Malcolm CAMERON born 4 Dec 1819, married to Margaret MARSHALL 17 Dec 1847 Govan, Lanark, with 3 children Allan 28 Aug 1848 Govan (Partick), Lanark Mary 1853 Govan, Lanark Catherine 1859 Partick, Lanark ... makes any connections, I would be delighted to hear from you. Nan CA

Researching in the areas of:- Duirinish,Benbecula,Sth Uist,Larkhall,Glasgow Macleod 1790- Gillies 1790- MacKinnon 1805- Campbell 1851- MacRury 1808- MacPherson 1816- MacIver 1880's- regards merrylee

Can anyone connect to John MacRury M.D.b.1854 benbecula to Angus MacRury and Annie MacLeod He Qualified at Glasgow University Then ahd a General Practice in Loudon.Ayrshire he is thought to have married Sarah Brown? regards merrylee

In message <001b01c014fc$c8a75ee0$38103c3e@tinypc>, DAVID.EVANS4 <DAVID.EVANS4@tinyworld.co.uk> writes >I am trying to trace the birth of John McKenzie, his marriage to Eliza(beth) >Fraser and finally, his death. Two visits to the Scottish Record Office in >Edinburgh have been unsuccessful. > >On the 1851 census of Kiltarlity John & Eliza were living at Teavarran >(Teanallen?) with their two children, Mary & William. > >On the 1861 Kiltarlity census Eliza was widowed and was living at Riefour >(Reufour?), with her five children, Mary, William, Donald, Alexander and Janet. >Although John was living in March 1859, when Janet was born, and registered her >birth I cannot find a record of his death between March 1859 and the 1861 >census. > >I've not managed to find the family on the 1871 census, but in 1881 Eliza was >living in Edinburgh. > >I have been unable to locate Teavarran/Teanallen or Riefour/Reufour on the OS >map. Any information on these locations and on the family would be greatly >appreciated. > >David, Crosby, U.K. > Hi David You will find these two places at NH 527 378 & NH 524 377 they are small holdings in the area of Convinth about 1/2 mile apart. They still use original spelling. Hope this helps. George Inverness -- George D. Christie " Change is not made without inconvenience, even from worse to better "

I have a marriage registration I requested using IGI information that the marriage took place Inverness, Inverness, Scotland. On the document Charles CAMERON is identified as being from Caithness. Help! Where was Caithness, Inverness in 1815? Does it still exist? Nancy CA needs help!

I am trying to trace the birth of John McKenzie, his marriage to Eliza(beth) Fraser and finally, his death. Two visits to the Scottish Record Office in Edinburgh have been unsuccessful. On the 1851 census of Kiltarlity John & Eliza were living at Teavarran (Teanallen?) with their two children, Mary & William. On the 1861 Kiltarlity census Eliza was widowed and was living at Riefour (Reufour?), with her five children, Mary, William, Donald, Alexander and Janet. Although John was living in March 1859, when Janet was born, and registered her birth I cannot find a record of his death between March 1859 and the 1861 census. I've not managed to find the family on the 1871 census, but in 1881 Eliza was living in Edinburgh. I have been unable to locate Teavarran/Teanallen or Riefour/Reufour on the OS map. Any information on these locations and on the family would be greatly appreciated. David, Crosby, U.K.

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My ggg gg and g grandfathers and their respective wives had so many children the mind boggles. They must have populated Leeds almost single handedly. Yet, there does not seem to be one related person living in Yorkshire, (or are they not 'on line')? Is there just one DRIVER out there that will talk to me? Yours in hope Harold DRIVER Adelaide Australia

To Sct-Inverness List, I have changed my E-mail address from camo@standard.net.au to mazza@austar.com.au Regards Marilyn Cameron

Hello there, Below are my family interests in Inverness. I welcome and appreciate any advice on research and information. --- Margaret MacDonald, b. 1813, bapt 1814, Tormore, Sleat, Isle of Skye, daughter of John MacDonald (farmer) and Mary MacPherson Siblings of Margaret Macdonald were: Ronald, chr. 5 Dec 1815 Sleat John, chr. 10 Aug 1817 Sleat James, chr 19 Sep 1820 Sleat Donald, chr 24 Sep 1823 Sleat Niel/Neil, chr 27 Jul 1828 Sleat Margaret married 1844, Sleat to Donald Buchanan (b. 1821), son of Roderick Buchanan and Margaret MacDonald, residence Airth. Emigrated to Australia aboard 'Thomas Arbuthnot' in 1849. Children were: Roderick b.1845 Skye, Christina bv 1848, John b. 1852 Aust. Donald is listed as not being able bodied or of good health. I understand that there was a severe famine in Skye in the late 1840s/early 1850s. Thank you for interest. Regards, Brent.

I am a new subsriber so thought best to identify myself and my connections to Inverness. According to 1881 Census I have the following about my gg grandparents. Malcolm CAMERON (Abt. 1818-19) was born in Fort William, and Margaret MARSHALL Cameron (Abt. 1819-20) was born in Letterfinley. I have their marriage registration of 1847 from Govan Parish, Lanark. Thus Malcolm and Margaret would have moved from Inverness by 1847, but they might be on the 1841 Census ... maybe in Fort William? I found an archive entry (which seems to now be inactive) about the 1841 census for the Fort William area. Could I ask if anyone might check for a possible lead to my CAMERON family? Malcolm and Margaret's children (the three I have identified: Allan (1848), Mary(1853), and Catherine 1858) were all born in Glasgow, Lanark. I have sent for other documents, including a birth of a Malcolm on a possible date ... but there is so little information on the old records, difficult to have any confidence I have found real connections. Family history (and tartans) is that we were from Camerons of Loch Eil, so that at least, seems to fit! Any suggestions most welcome. Nancy CAMERON Armstrong

Hi All, Would SKS please have a look at the “Annals of the Free Church of Scotland” for Rev. Duncan McLaren. His wife was Caroline Walker. Thank you in advance Regards Andrea

There is much about the Macdonalds of Leek in the various histories of the counties of Stormont, Dundas, and Glengarry Ontario. Glen McKenzie Swan River, Manitoba Canada