Dear Fiona, Do you know when and where church records for the Strathaird region of Skye began? What are the resource sources I should look at? Thank You. Regards, Mike Delane

RE:ScotHeritage@aol.com message Heaven preserve us all if we lose our Scottish sense of humour - and I speak as a well-travelled Scot living in London for 23 years, married to an Irishman, with children who have North London accents (with a bit of Greek, Turkish and West Indian influence, thanks to their friends!) Best wishes, Cecilia Horsburgh Blaney researching Mackay and Macleod, Inverness area and Horsburgh and Thomson -Midlothian and Borders PS Does anyone have info on Inverness businesses between 1900 and 1919 - I'm searching for info on a grocery shop "near the harbour" - possibly named Mackay's. I am also seeking a journalist called John Macleod - possibly living in Inverness during the First World War. Thanks for your time.

I have a John EWART born in Fort Augustus barracks abt 1815, his father William EWART was a Soldier and a weaver. I would like to know which soldiers would be stationed there at that time. Cheers Davy

Hey, Dave, as per this message below about "PRETENDER"...thanks so much..that term used so often for "BONNIE PRINCE CHARLIE" never did seem right to my Spirit..and i sure thank you for the truth whole truth and nothing but the truth..you are one brave HIGHLANDER...'SIR DAVID'...my humble opinion. Peg V mjcpv@newnorth.net PS. about "THE" joke--although genealogy can be about those living, now passed on, if the list gets too DEAD feeling, let me know where on the internet to go to get a WHOLE picture, OK? I continually see on list the term "PRETENDER" when used in connection with many of our Scottish Kings and in the case of Bonnie Prince Charlie, who was infact crowned as a King of Scotland being as his father had stated he would abdicate when the Jacobite cause was won. The books and many educators would have us, at worst, think the term pretender means an illegitimate claim to the throne, and at best have not taken an opportunity to correct implications. Here is the legal definition of what The Pretender To The throne means. Under the terms of the 'Jus Honorum', he (THE PRINCE/KING) retains the additional right to create Jacobite titular distinctions in the tradition of his kingly ancestors. Although the Stewarts' monarchical position is suspended in practical terms by virtue of a prevailing alternative reigning House, Prince Michael's entitlements still exist under by right of sovereign heritage. Hence, the 'Jus Gladii In Pectore and In Potentia' exists 'of right' (de jure) but not in practice: 'of fact' (de facto). What remains, however, is the legitimate, legal and justifiable 'pretension' - from which derives the definition Pretender.

In a message dated 08/09/00 12:34:47 PM Central Daylight Time, debebee@ntlworld.com writes: << I have a John EWART born in Fort Augustus barracks abt 1815, his father William EWART was a Soldier and a weaver. I would like to know which soldiers would be stationed there at that time. Cheers Davy >> The Cameron Highlanders, later called The Queens Own Cameron Highlanders. I shall shift this to another area and send you the regimental museum address on line. They were also in Ardesear I believe. Dave <A HREF="http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/bryanfkeddy/ISGWP.html">Inverness-sh ire Scotland GenWeb Project</A> <A HREF="http://www.du.edu/~tomills/military/uk/bargxref.htm">British Army Index of Regimental Web Sites</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/uk/uk.htm#pro">United Kingdom (British Empire & Commonwealth Land Forces)</A> <A HREF="http://regiments.org/milhist/uk/bargxref.htm">list of regimental web sites</A> <A HREF="http://www.army.mod.uk/army/press/museums/details/m187regi.htm">Regi mental Museum of Queens Own Highlanders</A> <<<<<<<<< sorry it was on this site under this name. hope these help. <A HREF="http://www.electricscotland.com/music/cameron.htm">March Of The Cameron Men</A> <<< regimental march Cheers Dave

In a message dated 08/09/00 12:20:40 AM Central Daylight Time, b1caez01@home.com writes: << There be so many with a pickle in their shade that it makes for a droll e'en when you fear cracking a smile once in a while. Mind you, it helps not, when those long winded bag-pipers get going, like myself...there is no shutting them up. So, as long as there are gripers and groaners there will be sots like meself that will egg them on. I will wave me white flag now, it is unfurling and what does it say?????????? "If its nae Scottish,...its crrrrrap!" Al Dempster >> Slancha va na hooor a cheen (Aye I know its the phonetics) Dave

In a message dated 07/09/00 7:01:47 PM Central Daylight Time, jarntorp@yahoo.com writes: << I just wanted to say that I appreciate hearing stories and commentary from everyone on this list and every once and a while something comes along that reminds me of Inverness and my family. That is precious to me as I don't often get to visit. This includes the jokes, stories and memories that people have of this beautiful town. I truly hope that no one will leave the list as a result of the recent conversations. Thanks, Jenn >> Are you and other on the list aware that there is a web cam on the High St. looking over the bridge to the castle? Dave

In a message dated 07/09/00 4:11:59 PM Central Daylight Time, clarimer@prodigy.net writes: << Somewhere along the line I heard that the expression "Pretender" in relation to Bonnie Prince Charlie actually derives from the French word "prendre," which means "to take." So that it was really BP Charlie, The Taker, and not BP Charlie, The Illusionist. Did you hear about the four Stewarts ... (oops, wrong list). Charlie Fraser Larimer clarimer@prodigy.net >> Yes, you are quite correct and if the pretension were translated to the the French, Je Prendre I take it would mean basically the same. Remember the diplomatic language of the world is French. A prince du jur(e)is the right prince, or the prince with the right to the throne on the pretense of the historical blood line. so B.P.C. or his father was, Le Roy du jur(e) The rightful king, pour prondrez le compaing to take the country or the crown. If one were also to read any books on military strategy at the time of Culloden other than those the establish English education system has shoved down our throats, one would realize that B.P.C. and General Mar did exactly the right thing, and were stuck at Culloden due to circumstance and not by plan. Most books until quite recently also leave out the bit about the Highlanders (Jacobites) reforming to attack again, or that no one in the Highlands would turn over our prince and betray him for a reward at the time valued in excess of a million dollars today. You will also note that very few books if any even relate to the fact that Mr. Washington, Jefferson and Franklin with the blessing of the Continental congress sent a delegation of 3 men to ask B.P.C. to become king of America, which BPC turned down due to not having an Heir to the throne and thus upon his death it would return to wee German Geordie. How does all this relate to our ancestors and this list? It was the English genocide that caused so many to be butchered and sent off to the new world, as slaves, prisoners and indentured labour. Then came the clearances and another great excuse. It seems throughout history some little jerk in the south has always known what was best for us, and it was only recently that the verses calling for genocide of the Highlands was removed from the national anthem "God Save The Queen." Now is there any wounder I get a little perturbed when someone begins to tell me about MY culture and that of every child and great great grand child of an exile. It is my wish that everyone will get to know the Highlands and OUR culture and our culture includes the thousands who were burned out and chained and sent away. Do we all hang out in bars, are we all rowdy, no and that can be seen by the original letter stating they found the joke distasteful, written I, presume by the politeness and form by a Highlander in Hong Kong. That letter I respect and shall honour by not writing another joke that he may find distasteful. The point is we are not a quiet and quaint little group of kilt wearing Brigadonians, we are a vital alive changing people. Your ancestors were not mealy mouthed they were strong, especially the women who took the brunt of our history from the church stripping them naked and leaving them tied on the beach for the tide and the crabs to take them, to walking miles over all sorts of terrane in all sorts of climates where they built homes and raised their children, and damn near every one of those children is now out seeking their roots. My God surely these fine and honourable people who have fought for their freedom, and brought freedom to the greatest nations on this earth deserve more than a sterile autopsy and be relegated to death certificates and diaries. Surely they deserve to have a life in memory and song. Without them America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc., would be little more than little England's and not the great democracies they are today. It was not the English who made these countries great, and by that I do not mean the poor people of England who toiled along with us in foreign fields, but the Crown and its thieving cronies. They brought the Declaration of Arbroath, (April 16th 1320) which was used in almost every constitution in the world, They brought the National Covenant, (Edinburgh 1638), the Declaration For Liberty And Conscience (April 04 1687) But more than this they brought a spirit and a demand for equality and a will to fight for it. Do you know Scotland has the oldest written constitution in the world, we brought in minimal wage laws, equality under the law, freedom of religion and these people your ancestors took it to the world for every man woman and child to enjoy and we want to relegate these people's blood sweat and tears to a kilted joke, a death certificate, I don't don't bloody think so. So I have again proven what a "wind bag" I am, and shall continue to be so long as there is breath in my body to stand up and defend and praise these heroes and heroines. Then again so was the wee lassie who stood up in a crowded Glasgow football satdium and sang Flower of Scotland until the walls echoed with a thousand and more voices. Next Saturday I shall be in a parade in a small town in Central Texas along with 2 self taught pipers and will distribute all sorts of free information and maps and such so other children of the exiles will begin their quest. At the junior colege this year a coarse on Scottish studies was started and a pipe band began by children of exiles who did not even know their names were Scottish a few months ago. Am I, as I was just called a wind bag? Your dam right and the subject is the Scottish Highlands and everyone is welcome to talk and hear and learn. Scots whae hae wee Wallace bled. Well I'll away and drape masel in tartan and sing Flower Of Scotland. Tell me aren't you glad you asked. Poor man that are getting this blast from a simple question. I promise I shall shorten my answers in the future. All the best to you and yours. Dave PS for anyone doing research I would recommend the following site that covers all the Celtic areas <A HREF="http://web2.airmail.net/samhradh/">Radio Celtic Home Page</A> http://web2.airmail.net/samhradh/ and no its nae me. a big boy did it and ran off.

In a message dated 07/09/00 4:06:46 PM Central Daylight Time, callummacnab@portree.demon.co.uk writes: << Anyway - it's nice to see there are still people out there in this list - this seems to be a very unproductive list compared to others I'm on, yet it covers such a huge area. Fiona SCOTLAND >> Fiona, it is I who am woundering if you have right to be speaking hat all or if you should be holding your wheest, first off you live in Inverness shire, second you are not dead yet, what the heck do you know about the topic? hahaha When I saw the soap box the first thought I had was OCH an other Lord Lever. Grand mannie for the Highlands. Where about are you on Skye? My uncle was a bobby there and I would nip up to see him on many occasions. Now you here let me thell chew this habout that it is not Donald where's yer trousers that chew will be singhing on this list at h all at h all at h all. I was at a games in Canada and was told point blank by a very nice wifie that no Highlander would be caught dead in a kilt and a pair of wellies with a tee shirt and that I was wearing it all wrong. My accent is still rather thick, although I maintain Inverness has no accent at all, but she was rather surprised when I answered her in the Gaelic. Although we had a home in Inverness my people are teuchters from Melveig up past Gairloch and if you go a hundred more yards north you are out of the Highlands and into the sea. (well the Minch any way. It is nice to see so many other Teuchters on the list. All I have eve seen is two to 4 inquiries a week. Dave

In a message dated 07/09/00 1:40:38 PM Central Daylight Time, iain-mckenzie@sol.co.uk writes: << I'm with you Dave. Where else on the internet can you get the flavour of a real highland natter, or a real highland argument. My highland roots are like your daughter's, diluted by being exiled from that environment (in my case to Glasgow). But my father was a Cameron Highlander, and I still remember the stories he told me of his exploits with the 2nd. Battallion in Italy and Greece. I like your stories, too, because they are about real life as it was, not so very long ago. Regards, Iain McKenzie ---------- >> Italy and Greece hell mun ask him about up the castle wynd in Inverness. I can still remember all the times ma wee arse got feel of a Cameron Highlanders boot when we would run behind the cock buggers as they strutted up the High Street with a lassie on their arm, us yelling after them Kilty Kilty cold Bum burned his bum on the lum poor kilty kilty cauld bum. On a Saturday night after the pictures let out and the pubs closed the Cameron's and the Navy from Invergorden would meet up the back of the station for a punch up and wee would all sit on the walls and grab any spare change that fell out of their pockets. The police would always let them have a go at each other for 15 or 20 minutes, to lose their energy before the whistles went and they rounded them up. Sometimes the Lovats, the Cammandos would come to town and then by God everyone cleared away they were forever jumping off the balconies at the picture houses. My uncle Dunky was with the Cameron's at Tobruk, he is the one you always see running over the wee bridge in the war movie (PATHE). I remember the sadness of the day the Cameron's marched their colours through the streets of Inverness down from the Castle and away I can tell you the tears flowed like water. The day I left Scotland the first time, at the train station in Inverness as a wee boy, there were hundreds of us leaving Inverness that day on the boat train and all you could hear were the sobbing hearts and then from Academy St. we could hear them as the pipes started to fill the air it was the Camerons off to Korea as they marched into the station the crowd cleared to the side as the band played "The March Of The Cameron Men." <A HREF="http://www.electricscotland.com/music/cameron.htm">March Of The Cameron Men</A> off they went up to the head of the train as was their position of honour. On veterans day all of the few left standing by their regiment, Inverness' regiment some with no legs, some with no arms etc., and many of the ranks open as they stood beside the next generation of Highlanders and a new generation of cocky wee buggers to walk the streets of Inverness, then that Bitch in London and all her wee Inglis lackeys cut the funds and off went the Cameron's into another fine regiment mind you, but the Camerons were gone yet Mrs. Windsor kept all her property and stuff. But that is another topic. That is Inverness, Hilton before it was a mass of houses etc. I also remember the day I was issued my kilt, not a Cameron one unfortunately but still a Highland regiment. You'll not get those memories from a cadaver. Cheers Dave

In a message dated 07/09/00 1:21:47 PM Central Daylight Time, joandal@btinternet.com writes: << Well said Dave Maclean, I agree entirely. That "delete" button must have confused some people for a long time. Alan Mackenzie >> Aye mun but wee a name like MacKenzie your only a schupeeed teuchter like masel wee nae mind as to whats proper an ah. Ghood GHod mun this is the most mail generated on this NG in months. I doubt if we will clog up the pcs. Its Tomnahurich we should be having the NG at. hahaha The heart pacers must be thumping wee all this excitement. Cheers Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: <SCT-INVERNESS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 8 September 2000 3:49 Subject: SCT-INVERNESS-D Digest V00 #260 I liked the email.... the Scottish Olympic swimmer... but you got mixed up and accidently left Aussie in instead of for Scottish. James Quinn a Scot in Aussieland

>From the Al-ster: ditto! There be so many with a pickle in their shade that it makes for a droll e'en when you fear cracking a smile once in a while. Mind you, it helps not, when those long winded bag-pipers get going, like myself...there is no shutting them up. So, as long as there are gripers and groaners there will be sots like meself that will egg them on. I will wave me white flag now, it is unfurling and what does it say?????????? "If its nae Scottish,...its crrrrrap!" Al Dempster -- GOD GRANT ME THE SERENITY TO ACCEPT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE... COURAGE TO CHANGE THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE...so don't get mad, get even by using logic! In the Book of Islam we are told to do first with the word, then with the deed, then with the hand...ask, exemplify and then act...but above all...think. "There is no mechanical problem so difficult that it cannot be solved by brute strength and ignorance." Boyd Lopez - --------------------------------------------------------------------- You may get fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants-school-of-hard-knocks technical advice at this address from yours truly. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the following fave progs AND services, but I do not advertise their use. SEARCH: COPERNIC 2000: http://www.copernic.com/ SOFTWARE: http://www.winfiles.com/ ANTI-VIRUS: http://www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/ : http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ LATEST VIRAL UPDATE: http://www.antivirus.com/trendsetter/virus_report/ SECURITY: http://www.astalavista.com/ [plus lots of naughty bits] SUBSCRIBE: http://www.antivirus.com/subscriptions/default.asp GENEALOGY: http://www.mytrees.com/ + http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ LDS CENTRE: http://www.familysearch.org/ WAR STRATEGY FOR ALL OCCASIONS: http://www.chinastrategies.com/ LEGAL: http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/ BEST COMPUTER MAG: http://smartcomputing.com/ ANY QUESTION: http://www.askme.com/

Dear friends, After spending nearly an hour with at least four different books, as many maps, and a couple of microfiche ... I GAVE UP. Please, will someone in the know, help me with the names and numbers for the Parish (or Parishes) that include Fort William and Letterfinley (Letterfinlay, Letter Findley, etc. as it seems to have several different names and spellings.) Are both of them in Kilmonivaig and is that Parish 99, as I was led to believe by last book I consulted? Or ... What about the book that said that Fort William was part of Kilmalie Parish and the Parish numbers were 98B and 98B1? Or ... yet another book that said that Parish 98 was Inverness?! None of these books limited the times the names or numbers applied. Help! Would like to order some fiche or film, but not until I know more. Thanks, Nan CA

Hello Listers Somewhere in the deep dark recesses of time there glimmers a faint spark of memory, which tells me I found a website where I read about the forth comming publication of a book Titled "THE BARONY OF CLEGHORNE". That is not the full title of the book, there was a date in there was well. 1260 or 1206 or something like that. An email address was given so that those who had an interest in the Family Name could enquire about pricing and delevery. That has to be all of 3 years ago. I have forgotten the location of the website, the email I sent has bounced back, and I don't know what to do next. Is there anyone on the list who has any knowledge of this publication. If it is available I would appreciate, a website, an email address, or full title, author and sbn number, which ever is easiest. Thank you in advance all help is appreciated. Greg Blackburn in Paekakariki New Zealand

Most of the time.... I wouldn't care and I'm not prude. However, I don't think the joke had/has any place on the "list." I wasn't offended by the joke - only offended that I read it on the list. Somehow, I didn't see the humor either..... and I do have a good sense of humor - open to about anything. Mary Bonnie Grant wrote: > Where is your sense of humor- I for one liked it. > As far as being off-topic mmmmmmm WHAT WAS the TOPIC???? > The Subject was about a scottish swimmer ect. and it was covered well don't > you think. > Floyd Grant > > nida rogers wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > Am I alone in thinking that this subject is seriously off-topic? > > Not to mention the fact that many listers may be offended by it. > > > > Best regards, > > Iain Rogers, Hong Kong > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ScotHeritage@aol.com> > > To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 7:02 AM > > Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Re:Scottish Olympic Swimmer + Danish Gymnast > > > > > > > > > This young swimmer from the Scottish Olympic team manages to sneak > > > > his new girlfriend, a gorgeous Danish gymnast, into his room at the > > >

To all of you who commented on the joke -- I got about 10 copies of it, as well lots of copies as your responses. I had over 200 messages this AM and they repeated over and over. My email provider claims it can't be them, it has to be Rootsweb that is sending out the dupes. As to the joke, -- I clicked my delete button as I did with most everything else this morning. Marion

Listers, I loved the joke but there sure are some stifled men on this list. Get back to genealogy and get your testosterone and your "willies" in check. Rita

I don't often submit to the list but rather read quietly in the background. I just wanted to say that I appreciate hearing stories and commentary from everyone on this list and every once and a while something comes along that reminds me of Inverness and my family. That is precious to me as I don't often get to visit. This includes the jokes, stories and memories that people have of this beautiful town. I truly hope that no one will leave the list as a result of the recent conversations. Thanks, Jenn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Good on you Dave. You and Mark are the life of the list and long may you continue to bring a smile to our faces! And my wee wifey Morag agrees! Peter Grant London ex NZ -----Original Message----- From: ScotHeritage@aol.com [mailto:ScotHeritage@aol.com] Sent: 07 September 2000 18:50 To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-INV-L] Off-topic posts In a message dated 07/09/00 9:41:13 AM Central Daylight Time, hdckwth@cc.UManitoba.CA writes: << Dear friends: Well, it seems to be time to get back up on my soap box. The problem with the Olympic swimmer story is not so much that it's a dirty joke, and that people who find that sort of thing offensive should have their privacy respected. The problem is that this mailing list is for *Scottish genealogy*, Inverness branch. That's why people have subscribed, and that's the common factor. Just because we share an interest in Scottish genealogy with a lot of others round the world, doesn't mean that they are also interested in dirty jokes, or in modern Scottish politics for that matter. Even discussions about Hogmanay customs, or recipes for haggis, are a bit dodgy, in my opinion, though at least they're not offensive. It would seem then that the list has changed greatly as it used to be used as a place for Invernesians to have a wee blether, get in contact with those who moved and those with an interest in things Scottish and Invernesian. Not just for people to look up the dead or what tartan to wear when and on which shoulder which is what most of these lists have deteriorated to. It was about the living of Inverness and also for those seeking information about ancestors and what their lives were like the social, spiritual and other aspects of a town, a shire and its culture. Who had been at The Ploughman for a dram, what they were doing in Eastgate, The Palace and The La Scala, Morganties on Academy St. And other topics of interst.and yes Mr. Duckworth even a wee bit Highland humor. But if things have changed I can accept that and do as it seems most native Inverneasians have done and leave the list to the foreigners and tartan police. We have already, most of us, gone to voice contacts anyway. But and I caution you, every time a Scot or an Invernesian leaves this list you loose a bit of the culture and those of us who remember Inverness before it was all built up and what and where all the wee villages and nooks and crannies are. What the market was like on a Saturday, or the stockyards behind the station. Who 40 pockets was, Anny BoBo and Alecy Duff and the laddie with the fiddle on the High Street Bridge, or Greg St. Bridge, What Culloden and the Castles along the Ness Road were like before the tourist councils tore them up. What the Cally was the Cameron Barracks and the Navy from Invergordon. A thousand wee bits of daily life not recorded in any sterile book or death records. But I shall lay quiet and I do promise that when I do share a bit of a joke, which by the way Invernesians like MYSELF are known for it will be to like minded people. The people of Inverness, and the Highlands who have dealt with starvation, genocide, poverty and discrimination for centuries with a wee joke here and a wee joke there to help ease the misery. By the way the joke originated in Inverness and thus is a basic part of the towns culture, told to an Invernesian and by an Invernesian. Perhaps after this we shall just tell our jokes in the Gaelic and that way those of different minds can just be insulted by the language. The subscribers to this mailing list are not like-minded in every respect. We know almost nothing about one another. We come together for one particular purpose, and no one should presume that a common interest in genealogy means a common interest in everything else. It's an invasion of privacy to drag in other topics. Get a grip man the sun will still shine tomorrow, well perhaps not in Inverness but that is not uncommon. As we say in Inverness "You are just opening yer mooth ta let yer bellie rumble" its just not that important in the scheme of things. Those who protest that they didn't find anything offensive in the joke may rejoice privately in their broad-mindedness, but they're missing the point - they have no right to tell others what is offensive. That is why you have a delete button. You are a most fortunate man if you have the time and energy to find this such an issue. I have seen several mailing lists, and more newsgroups and unmoderated discussions, degenerate into "darkling plains, where ignorant armies clash by night", just because a few enthusiasts couldn't keep to the topic. Sincerely, Harry Duckworth And I sir have seen the tartan police, and precocious self righteous wee mannies ruin many a good list because they only want to accept the death certificates of a sterile and imagined past. We of the Highlands were never know for our sobriety of our chastity or our diplomatic skills. We are not scared of a wee joke. That sir is OUR culture and perhaps if that is not acceptable you would be more comfortable in your country, but please do not dare to enter MY culture and attempt to dictate behaviour or cultural expectations. We have had quite enough of that nonsense in our history. I am more than delighted to share my culture and that includes our wee jokes. You are more than welcome to question me, and I dare say QUESTION my actions and state opinions but do not I repeat do not ever attempt to dictate to any Highlander his or Her behaviour or what OUR culture should be in His or Her own realm. Now away and get on with your life. This is just not that important an issue and I am sure when you finish your huffing and your puffing you will realize you have not only heard but spoken much worse yourself. By the way the U.Of Manitoba was that not the University that sent that professor around telling everyone about the different size of mannies willy's and how it affected their intelectual abilities, the Asians being the most intelegent with the weest willies, the Balcks being the least inteligent with the biggest willies and the whites some where in between? Aye that's the one. Good God man talk about offensive I supose you lot must be experts on the subject by now. Dave MacLean. British by law. Scottish by birth Highlander by the grace of God. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <SCT-INVERNESS-L-request@rootsweb.com> >>