Well Dave , I have read the Burns poems in their entirety. I know "You see yon Birkie ca'd a laird, he's but a man for a' that." And Ode to a Louse etc, by heart as well as others. My fathers family originally came from Ayr. And I love history almost as much as genealogy. I appreciate your comments though. I went to school in Clydebank and lived in Dunoon. The other part of my family were McArthurs from Loch Awe and all around that area. I went to school in the US also. So I think I have a little perspective in both. Last but not least I am not young and I personally have seen how history repeats itself. I had relatives in Inverness and thats why I follow this page. I think I'd better get a drambui and calm down..Chris Hawkins (Perhaps this does not belong on the Inverness genealogy page but I felt compelled--Sorry

Hello: This site was posted on the PEI list but I know I have seen people looking for the name GILLIS here. Hope this helps someone. Lorraine Ottawa, Canada http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/a/p/Karen-R-Papin/GENE2-0001.html

In a message dated 05/10/00 5:41:50 PM Central Daylight Time, xanadue@gte.net writes: << Have to say I agree with Peter. I am first generation in America and lived in Scotland for awhile as a child. Its a beautiful country especially around Inverness and the Kyles of Bute actually too many to name. But why people are obessed with the rulers of the countries that kicked them around and out of their homes I will never know..As the famous poet said, "A Mans' a Man for a' that!" >> If you read that particular poem from Mr. Burns in the context of the time you may understand a lot more about it. The reason to study history is simply to not allow the same mistakes of the past to be repeated. One of the SMP's made the comment when discussing the stature of the Sutherland statue that as a child he wanted to blow it up because the clearances angered him so much, but as an adult he realized that the memory of such events, which will be served by the new center and monument of the people who were cleared, will cause us to always remember the inhumanity. You have a similar situation in the US where a fraction of the people are demanding that the flag flown in the civil war by the South be removed from state buildings because it brings back bad memories. That is the exact reason it should be kept so we can never forget the inhumanity. You will notice after world war 2 one of the first things done was the destruction of the death camps, they were turned into nice little park type areas. Now you have nutters saying it never happened. The wall in Berlin was removed and built around, the statues of Lenin, Stalin, etc., smashed and removed. The list goes on and on. One of the reasons that American workers have a lower standard of living and fewer perks, etc., and that the destruction of the middle class is allowed, is that history has been allowed to be replaced with fiction and the children do not remember. A fine example of this is the present claim that America was originated as a God fearing religious nation, but if one reads the thoughts about religion from the founding fathers and their distrust of the church and religion, they will see this is not true. Being as you were probably sent to school in America you may believe this to be true because when you stood up in the class you stated your wee oath of allegiance, with the line One Nation Under God, but nobody told you that was added in the reign of MacArthy, (about 1954-56) during the communist hunts. Either we study our history, or we repeat our mistakes. That by the way is one of the reasons we are not all speaking German today, Hitler made darn near repeated all the mistakes Napoleon made. That is why we must study our history and find out why we have some laws and principles, what caused them to be written. Then again when I was young I was not overly impressed with the past either, rathering to spend my time contemplating the future. Dave M.

In a message dated 05/10/00 5:07:24 PM Central Daylight Time, peter_mcdonald@sftw.com writes: << Here here, what Americans do not realise is they have left "their baggage of Europe" behind them generations ago. They went over twice and saved their #$%@ in WW1 and WW2 and when they go back on holidays they get kicked in the #$%^. Why buy a title? Americans are obsessed with European Castles, the British Royalty (Who were the mongrels of Europe) and its History. History should teach you only one thing, do not repeat that mistake. The greatest asset of the USA and Australia/NZ is their lack of History....... No Baggage to carry. Go out and have fun, you only come this way but once.... Peter >> I can't find the punch line to this joke. Dave

Have to say I agree with Peter. I am first generation in America and lived in Scotland for awhile as a child. Its a beautiful country especially around Inverness and the Kyles of Bute actually too many to name. But why people are obessed with the rulers of the countries that kicked them around and out of their homes I will never know..As the famous poet said, "A Mans' a Man for a' that!"

Here here, what Americans do not realise is they have left "their baggage of Europe" behind them generations ago. They went over twice and saved their #$%@ in WW1 and WW2 and when they go back on holidays they get kicked in the #$%^. Why buy a title? Americans are obsessed with European Castles, the British Royalty (Who were the mongrels of Europe) and its History. History should teach you only one thing, do not repeat that mistake. The greatest asset of the USA and Australia/NZ is their lack of History....... No Baggage to carry. Go out and have fun, you only come this way but once.... Peter >Hi Mike, >If you wish to learn the details about titles and how they pass, I suggest >you look at my web-site, the URL for which is below and if you click on the >item on the left hand side called Peerage, there is a long explanation with >an even longer one which you are welcome to download and print-out. > >I have often seen suggestions that titles are anachronistic, out of date >etc. If so, why are the so called republican French, Germans and Americans >totally obsessed with them. Both France and Germany ,two of the few major >European countries which haven't yet restored constitutional monarchy have >very detailed current laws on the use of titles, dignities and succession to >them. In the US, major families have elevated themselves/been elevated into >their own version of an aristocracy with the Kennedys as their own "royal >family". Why else would they insist in naming themselves William J. >Moneybags III, or IV etc etc. At this very moment two of Americas "princes" >are slogging it out. Al Gore is the Vice President, son of a Senator who >wished to be President and George Bush is the son of the immediate past >President, hoping to follow his father, with his nephew, yet another George >Bush now coming into the limelight as well. At the beginning of the last >century it was standard practice for impoverished European royals and nobles >to sell themselves to American millionaires. The Dukes of Marlborough were >short of a few pounds until the 9th Duke married Consuela Vanderbilt and >then her son married Jennie, Lady Randolph Churchill, mother of Winston, >another American millionaire's daughter. Most of the remains of the Imperial >Russian royal family survived exile by marrying American millionaires, let >alone members of the French, German, Austrian, Italian, Greek, Portuguese, >Rumanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Yugoslav and Hungarian royal and aristocratic >families. Even within the past decade Mr Miller, the British born but >American resident "duty-free" billionaire has seen one daughter become Crown >Princess of Greece, another an Austro-Hungarian Princess and the third has >married almost equally well. If titles are so redundant, why do American >millionaires spend tens of thousands of pounds to buy ruined Scottish >castles and the few acres around them, so that they can acquire the Baronial >titles which accompany the ruins? >All good fun and I have yet to meet anyone who has refused the offer of a >title or honour, except the Labour politician Anthony Wedgewood-Benn and >after all he had one to start with, 2nd Viscount Stansgate. >Regards, >Mark Sutherland-Fisher >Genealogist: Clan Sutherland >Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie >Professional Genealogist specialising in the Highlands and 18th century >see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk >----- Original Message ----- >From: <esi@geotec.net> >To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:24 PM >Subject: [SCT-INV-L] How Do Titles Operate? > > > > > > Dear Dave, > > > > How do titles like Earl or Sir work? Do they extinguish with death or > > are they hereditary? > > > > Thank You. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > Subject: > > Re: [SCT-INV-L] Re: New Campbell Chief????. > > Resent-Date: > > Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:57:50 -0700 > > Resent-From: > > SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: > > Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:57:39 EDT > > From: > > ScotHeritage@aol.com > > To: > > SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > I just got this off of Rueters. Thought all might be interested. > > > > LONDON (Reuters) - A Hungarian former taxi driver living in Budapest > > has > > emerged as the heir to a Scottish earldom, according to the genealogist > > who > > unearthed his claim. > > > > Huba Andras Campbell, 55 -- who grew up in poverty in rural communist > > Hungary and is now a trucker and car importer -- is next in line to the > > earldom of Breadalbane and Holland, genealogist Robert Noble told the > > Daily > > Telegraph Tuesday. > > > > The Hungarian's noble lineage stems from his great grandfather's > > marriage > > to > > a descendant of the Marquess of Huntly in 1873 while he was building > > bridges > > across the Danube, the genealogist said. > > > > "The family knew of the Scottish connection, but had no idea that they > > were > > now the most senior line," he said. > > > > But even if it is successful, Campbell's claim, being prepared by a > > Scottish > > peerage lawyer, will yield only the title of the earldom, which dates > > back > > to > > 1681. > > > > The Campbell clan were once one of the biggest landowners in Scotland, > > but > > their wealth and lands declined over the years and the last of the > > clan's > > estate was sold off in the 1980s > > > > Dave > > > > > > > >

I'm seeking connections with my Macintosh ancestors from Sleat. The only information I have is as follows :- MARY MACINTOSH m. Alexander MacKinnon before 1802. Donald A. Robertson, Kyleakin, Isle of Skye

Hello Susan: As promised here are the details of the marriage cert that I ordered from the General Register Office for Scotland. I mailed my letter of request on Sept.18,2000 with all the details and numbers I had gotten from the Marriage Records here. The charge was 13 Pounds and in Canadian Dollars it was $29.08. The charge went through my charge a/c on Sept.26,2000 and I received the cert this a.m. Oct 5,2000. That works out to 2 weeks and 3 days. Hope this helps others. Lorraine Ottawa, Canada

I can't help with Australian archive documents, but there was an excellent book on the Clearances by an Australian author, Eric Richards, "A History of the Highland Clearances: Agrarian Transformation and the Evictions, 1746 - 1886". This was published in London in 1982. The book has masses of references. If there is any material in Australian libraries or archives, I'm sure it will be mentioned in Eric Richards's book. Iain McKenzie Glasgow, Scotland ---------- > From: Ray and Jamie GAVAN <dannyg@rpi.net.au> > To: SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-INV-L] Napier Inquiry,Waternish 1883? > Date: 04 October 2000 22:55 > > Alasair Mcleod from the Inverness library said that the Australian > government held an inquiry into the highland clearences somewhere along > the line of a Royal Commission, and that the papers are held in > Canberra's national library , I cannot find them has anyone else heard > of these papers and knows where to access them? > Ray Gavan. > Sydney >

Ray, You can search the National Library catalogue at www.nla.gov.au Jan Canberra, Australia >Alasair Mcleod from the Inverness library said that the Australian >government held an inquiry into the highland clearences somewhere along >the line of a Royal Commission, and that the papers are held in >Canberra's national library , I cannot find them has anyone else heard >of these papers and knows where to access them?

For MacInnis or anyone in the outer Hebrides, suggest you contact the experts on that area: Bill & Chris Lawson at: LawsonBil@cs.com

Let me just run this by you. John Fraser of Glencannich married Jane Chisholm and had the following children; Bishop William Fraser, Born 1779, Craskie, Glencannich, Scotland, eldest of twelve, died October 4, 1851, Antigonish, N.S. Note:Studied for priesthood in Spain and upon returning to Scotland on January 8, 1804, was put in charge of all the missions of Lochaber by his Cousin Bishop John Chisholm. Anything on Bishop John Chisholm ? Alexander Thomas Hugh John Simon Angus m. Ann MacRae of Beaver Meadow, Settled St. Josephs, Ant. Co. Colin David St Joseph's,Antigonish County Jean Born C. 1781 Jean Fraser married Donald Chisholm c.1803 Children Rev. William Chisholm Note:Rankin has Father William dying August 3, 1819 age 46 so this can't be correct. Rev. Finlay Chisholm Alexander (Og) Chisholm m. Jane Fraser Mary Chisholm wife of Archibald Campbell (Blacksmith) of Antigonish Does anyone have anything a little more accurate on Children of Donald Chisholm and Jean Fraser? In particular Mary Chisholm. Rankin page 99 (Chisholm Gow) MacLean page 113 Thanks Hugh Niven

Hi Mike, If you wish to learn the details about titles and how they pass, I suggest you look at my web-site, the URL for which is below and if you click on the item on the left hand side called Peerage, there is a long explanation with an even longer one which you are welcome to download and print-out. I have often seen suggestions that titles are anachronistic, out of date etc. If so, why are the so called republican French, Germans and Americans totally obsessed with them. Both France and Germany ,two of the few major European countries which haven't yet restored constitutional monarchy have very detailed current laws on the use of titles, dignities and succession to them. In the US, major families have elevated themselves/been elevated into their own version of an aristocracy with the Kennedys as their own "royal family". Why else would they insist in naming themselves William J. Moneybags III, or IV etc etc. At this very moment two of Americas "princes" are slogging it out. Al Gore is the Vice President, son of a Senator who wished to be President and George Bush is the son of the immediate past President, hoping to follow his father, with his nephew, yet another George Bush now coming into the limelight as well. At the beginning of the last century it was standard practice for impoverished European royals and nobles to sell themselves to American millionaires. The Dukes of Marlborough were short of a few pounds until the 9th Duke married Consuela Vanderbilt and then her son married Jennie, Lady Randolph Churchill, mother of Winston, another American millionaire's daughter. Most of the remains of the Imperial Russian royal family survived exile by marrying American millionaires, let alone members of the French, German, Austrian, Italian, Greek, Portuguese, Rumanian, Bulgarian, Polish, Yugoslav and Hungarian royal and aristocratic families. Even within the past decade Mr Miller, the British born but American resident "duty-free" billionaire has seen one daughter become Crown Princess of Greece, another an Austro-Hungarian Princess and the third has married almost equally well. If titles are so redundant, why do American millionaires spend tens of thousands of pounds to buy ruined Scottish castles and the few acres around them, so that they can acquire the Baronial titles which accompany the ruins? All good fun and I have yet to meet anyone who has refused the offer of a title or honour, except the Labour politician Anthony Wedgewood-Benn and after all he had one to start with, 2nd Viscount Stansgate. Regards, Mark Sutherland-Fisher Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie Professional Genealogist specialising in the Highlands and 18th century see my web-site: http://www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <esi@geotec.net> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:24 PM Subject: [SCT-INV-L] How Do Titles Operate? > > Dear Dave, > > How do titles like Earl or Sir work? Do they extinguish with death or > are they hereditary? > > Thank You. > > Regards, > > > Mike > > > ---------------------------- > > Subject: > Re: [SCT-INV-L] Re: New Campbell Chief????. > Resent-Date: > Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:57:50 -0700 > Resent-From: > SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > Date: > Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:57:39 EDT > From: > ScotHeritage@aol.com > To: > SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > I just got this off of Rueters. Thought all might be interested. > > LONDON (Reuters) - A Hungarian former taxi driver living in Budapest > has > emerged as the heir to a Scottish earldom, according to the genealogist > who > unearthed his claim. > > Huba Andras Campbell, 55 -- who grew up in poverty in rural communist > Hungary and is now a trucker and car importer -- is next in line to the > earldom of Breadalbane and Holland, genealogist Robert Noble told the > Daily > Telegraph Tuesday. > > The Hungarian's noble lineage stems from his great grandfather's > marriage > to > a descendant of the Marquess of Huntly in 1873 while he was building > bridges > across the Danube, the genealogist said. > > "The family knew of the Scottish connection, but had no idea that they > were > now the most senior line," he said. > > But even if it is successful, Campbell's claim, being prepared by a > Scottish > peerage lawyer, will yield only the title of the earldom, which dates > back > to > 1681. > > The Campbell clan were once one of the biggest landowners in Scotland, > but > their wealth and lands declined over the years and the last of the > clan's > estate was sold off in the 1980s > > Dave > > > >

Alasair Mcleod from the Inverness library said that the Australian government held an inquiry into the highland clearences somewhere along the line of a Royal Commission, and that the papers are held in Canberra's national library , I cannot find them has anyone else heard of these papers and knows where to access them? Ray Gavan. Sydney

There are, I believe, pictures of Cuidreach in "Hebridean Song-maker - Iain MacNeacail of the Isle of Skye", a great book. See: http://www.gaelic.net/cli/cothrom/15b.htm >Cuidrach House which is just south of Uig Bay?

Dear all, Does anyone have a list for those buried at the small cemetery at Eynort Chapel on Skye in Minginish? As well for those on the list who reside on Skye itself or anyone planning on visiting Skye, is it possible for SKS to take a photo of Cuidrach House which is just south of Uig Bay? My family lived there at one time and I only recently discovered it is still on the map. And again, if anyone has any information on Skye Stewarts to please let me know. Regards, Randall Stewart Victoria, B.C. www.usscots.com www.scotsheritage.net

Hi Dave, The whole thing seems to be archaic, and out of touch with the times. Just more overhead to tax the people for. People should be honored for their achievements. Hanging a medal around their neck, and a firm handshake should do nicely. Best to you, Bob <In a message dated 03/10/00 5:25:02 PM Central Daylight Time, esi@geotec.net <writes: <A title is usually bestowed for servive to the "crown", although there are <some instances where they were bought. Recently they have been given for <commercial enterprise, like the Beatles, or long term service like a Civil <Servant, and other such miterio8use service for the crown,. (Note the crown <IS the government.) <Some titles can be passed on to the children, these usually include land <owners such an Earl a Peer Of The Realm, (Member House of Lords), etc. Some <die with the bearer such as an MBE, Member of the British Empire, like the <Beatles got. Others like the Baron of ...... Or Sir Big Head of London are <carried over from father to son, mother to son and daughter. It all depends <on the title and who gets it. Recently the Royals were removed from the list <after one generation. So Princess Margret's children, (Queen Liz's sister) <will not be considered Royals. but will retain their other titles such as <Lady Snowdon etc. <Cheers Dave.

In a message dated 04/10/00 9:37:48 AM Central Daylight Time, stewarts@attcanada.ca writes: << Does anyone have a list for those buried at the small cemetery at Eynort Chapel on Skye in Minginish? As well for those on the list who reside on Skye itself or anyone planning on visiting Skye, is it possible for SKS to take a photo of Cuidrach House which is just south of Uig Bay? My family lived there at one time and I only recently discovered it is still on the map. And again, if anyone has any information on Skye Stewarts to please let me know. Regards, Randall Stewart Victoria, B.C. www.usscots.com www.scotsheritage.net >> is there any chance the spelling of the house could be cuidreach house? Which means in the Gaelic Powerful Partnership or for the more informal Great House. Pronounced Cooj ruich (ch sort of through the back teeth.) Cheers Dave (Just a thought)

In a message dated 03/10/00 5:25:02 PM Central Daylight Time, esi@geotec.net writes: A title is usually bestowed for servive to the "crown", although there are some instances where they were bought. Recently they have been given for commercial enterprise, like the Beatles, or long term service like a Civil Servant, and other such miterio8use service for the crown,. (Note the crown IS the government.) Some titles can be passed on to the children, these usually include land owners such an Earl a Peer Of The Realm, (Member House of Lords), etc. Some die with the bearer such as an MBE, Member of the British Empire, like the Beatles got. Others like the Baron of ...... Or Sir Big Head of London are carried over from father to son, mother to son and daughter. It all depends on the title and who gets it. Recently the Royals were removed from the list after one generation. So Princess Margret's children, (Queen Liz's sister) will not be considered Royals. but will retain their other titles such as Lady Snowdon etc. Cheers Dave. << Dear Dave, How do titles like Earl or Sir work? Do they extinguish with death or are they hereditary? Thank You. Regards, Mike

I have a copy of John Prebble's book "The Highland Clearances" that I will sell to anyone interested for the price I paid ($5 plus postage). It is an amazing story. I also have "Culloden" by Prebble (but I haven't read it yet). Anyone interested can contact me. Pam Shipp Columbus, OH