Can someone tell me if the 1851 census covered Sleat and Strath in the Isle of Skye? I am looking for Catherine NICHOLSON, her daughter Annie (and any others of her family), who I believe were living in either of these areas at the time (probably Strath). Regards Marion NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/871.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Interested to see your message. My g.g. grandmother was Mary Mcfadyen who was born in 1821 in Craignish Argyll - her parents were John McFadyen and Mary Gray. She married a William Munro of Skye and went on to have at least 13 children - including 3 sets of twins. I haven't been able to find any of Mary's siblings but she is likely to have had many. McFadyen is not that common a name. Hope this is of some interest. Morven

"I'm a little embarrassed to ask this question of this group, but I do need the answer, so here goes. As I read and write on Highlanders in the nineteenth century I often encounter the terms "Gael" and "Celt", and I'm not sure of the proper use of them. Can "Gael" and "Celt" be used interchangeably? Or do they mean slightly different things? Is one a more "politically correct" term these days? I apologize for asking what may seem a ridiculously basic question, but this seemed the best place for an authoritative answer. Kathy Dear List, Two things: First of all, Kathy, put it this way, a Gael is a Celt but a Celt is not necessarily a Gael. This is a formula that pretty much equates to a Scot being British (from the British Isles) but not all Brits are Scottish. There are different measures of what or who a Gael is (a Highlander, a person of Gaelic speaking/Highland heritage, or purely a Gaelic speaker - this might extend, for some, to a non-Highlander who acquires the Gaelic language; no doubt there may be others who have different interpretations). Celts cover many different groups from the British Isles (including Ireland) and Europe. The most common expression of 'Celts' encompasses the Welsh, Scots, Irish, Manx, Cornish and Bretons. This is a fairly crude categorisation, as England was Celtic before it experienced the Angles. (And to confuse matters more, the Angles were in Scotland before 'Scotland', as we know it, really emerged.) Kathy, this is probably old news to most members but it is usually worth repeating. Anyway, back to the Celts/Gael issue. From Old Celtic emerged two language groups, p-Celtic (Breton, Cornish and Welsh, known as the Brythonic or British branch) and q-Celtic (Scottish Gaelic, Irish and Manx, known as Goidelic or Gaelic). So, as should be seen, the term Celt and Gael are related but not interchangeable; equally, the term British and Celt are also related but not interchangeable.. plus ca change!" James Celts are a race of people and Gaels are a subgroup who speak a different language? Is that what the good professor is saying here?

I'm interested in the following families from the undernoted places. Cromdale Grantown-on-Spey Kirkmichael My Great Grandfather, John Cameron, married Ann Bird in Grantown in 1894 before moving to Edinburgh (Liberton) at the start of 1900's. John and Annie had a large family I believe the only known children to date are Peter, Lewis, Catherine and James Russell Cameron (born Leith). His father was Lewis Cameron (b 1849) and his mother Jessie Grant (b 1831). Her parents were Thomas Bird and Ann Fraser. If anyone has any information please let me know Regards Mark.

Hi Christine Many thanks for your response. The intermarrying sure is confusing at times. There was another John Cameron and Catherine Kennedy (from Feychiarren, Kilmonivaig) who had children at the same time as "my" family. Feychiarren is another of those "towns" I have not been able to locate. To help identify which is "my" Cameron/ Kennedy family I have added below a transcription of the "certificate" I received from the GROS for the birth of Mary Cameron - my g g grandmo. I have found the immigration record of the whole family arriving in Australia so John was apparently an ex shepherd not an ex person. I have recently learned from a posting on the Mull list that such declarations were often made, prior to the family immigrating, if the births/baptisms had previously not been recorded. The death certificate here in Australia records Catherine Kennedy's parents being Duncan Kennedy and Sarah Buchanan and that she was born at Glencoe (the latter not so clear to read). As I said on the last posting, the reference to Mianacha only occurs on an IGI record placed by a member of their church. I agree that Briananach is likely to be a small farm or croft and I will certainly forward to you any useful information which may be forthcoming. Thanks again for the reply Brian ----------------------------------------------------------- Extract of entries in an OLD PAROCHIAL REGISTER 78773 Parish of Kilmonivaig County of Inverness children "The following of John Cameron late Shepherd Briananach, and of his wife Catherine Kennedy, were recorded here to day, by desire of his said wife as being born of the dates under mentioned,Alexander Cameron elder of the Kirk Session of Kilmoni vaig being present and attesting: ? Margt Cameron, born 14 Augt 1828 Catherine, do do 12 Oct 1830 Ewen, do do 27 May 1832 Duncan, do do 28 Nov 1834 Mary, do do 31 Augt 1835 The said John Cameron was also sta ted to have been born in 1808 His wife Catherine Kennedy, in 1809 & that, per testimony of said Alexander Cameron, & said Mrs Cameron, the parents of the above were married in July 1847 1 July 1852 James Munro ? ?" ---------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine J Tregonning" <[email protected]> To: "'Di & Brian Logan'" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [SCT-INV] Kilmonivaig Parish place names > Dear Brian, > > I can't help you directly with your enquiry however I am also interested in > the surnames of Kennedy and Cameron from Kilmonivaig, Inverness. > > My understanding is that these two families were extensively inter-married. > > My ancestors were Alexander Kennedy, son of Ewen Kennedy b.c 1777 and Sarah > Cameron who were married in 1815. They lived at Brackletter near Spean > Bridge which is in the Parish of Kilmonivaig. > > Could Briananach be the name of a small farm or croft? > > I would be interested in any replies that you receive. > > Regards, > > Christine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Di & Brian Logan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2003 17:58 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCT-INV] Kilmonivaig Parish place names > > > Dear Listers > Some assistance would be appreciated. My g g g grandparents were John > Cameron and Catherine Kennedy from Kilmonivaig (I know, surnames are not so > unusual). In identifying which Cameron family in official records, place > names were often used to identify the area from which the family came. John > Cameron b. 1808, was a shepherd at Briananach. My Cameron family are > recorded on the IGI by an LDS Church member as being from Mianacha or > Manacha, Kilmonivaig, although the official GRO records only record > Kilmonivaig. Mianacha or Briananach are not mentioned in the 1841 > Invernesshire Census. > Does anyone know of these place names or how to find out more - given where > I live! > Cheers > Brian Logan > Melbourne > Australia >

Dear Listers Some assistance would be appreciated. My g g g grandparents were John Cameron and Catherine Kennedy from Kilmonivaig (I know, surnames are not so unusual). In identifying which Cameron family in official records, place names were often used to identify the area from which the family came. John Cameron b. 1808, was a shepherd at Briananach. My Cameron family are recorded on the IGI by an LDS Church member as being from Mianacha or Manacha, Kilmonivaig, although the official GRO records only record Kilmonivaig. Mianacha or Briananach are not mentioned in the 1841 Invernesshire Census. Does anyone know of these place names or how to find out more - given where I live! Cheers Brian Logan Melbourne Australia

Hi Peter I suggest Dorss may well be Dores at the head of Loch Ness, not far west of Inverness. Brian Logan Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter and Shauna Madden" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] Can anyone help with these places? > Dear List, > While extracting 1850 info for a shipping index, I came upon these > entries that must be places (towns, etc.) as they don't resemble any > of the Parish names: > > Muswelburg or Muswelbury (surname Baird) > > Trone or Irone (surname Ross) > > Dorss (surname Patterson) > > If you can tell me where they are (and how to spell them), I will > be most grateful. > > Peter. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello to All.What a great response i have recieved from your List Members on my search for Norman FINLAYSON. To answer some of your queries.I dont have a lot on NORMAN FINLAYSON basically only his Death Certificate. He was my Wife's Great Grandfather.On his Death Certificate it states the following. That he was born on the Isle of Skye,and that his Father was John Finlayson and his Mother was Anna Belle Finlayson(Maiden name Unknown).His Death was on the 12th of March 1925 at Chiltern,Victoria,Australia.And he was 82 Years old,and that he had been in Victoria73 Years.It Lists his Wife as Ann Watersand he was married aged 45 at Nurmarkah,Victoria.(I think that is the Town ,Hard to Decipher).Ihave not been able to locate a Marriage Certificate between him and Ann Waters at this stage.His son John William Finlayson was born in 1891 at Sandy Creek(Just out of Tallangatta,Victoria,Australia).He was my Wife's Grandfather .He was killed in the 1st World War in 1916 at France. I have located a Norman Finlayson who came out to Australia in 1852 on the ship"Hercules" Which left Campbelltown Scotland on the 26th of December 1852 and arrived in South Australia.He was with his Family and the Father was John but the Mother is Listed as Margaret(Not Anna Belle) and they came from the Parish of Snizort, County of Inverness it also states their Residence was Burnisdale.I am currently investigating that family and have located a bit on the I-G-Index but not much at this stage. Any help on Locating any Information would be most appreciated. Could anyone tell me how close is the Parish of Snizort to the Isle of Skye and does the Residence of Barisdale Mean anything to anyone. Your Genealogy Friend Bill Dob _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=174&referral=Hotmail_taglines_plain&URL=http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp

hi Peter dont know the context but if these places could be 'anywhere' then i suggest the first might be Musselburgh, just to the east of Edinburgh. The second, less convincingly, might be Troon, on the Ayrshire coast. the third has been stumped unless it is Dorset, which is a county of course, not a town. If you can send me a scan I will have a look. I am sure others will be happy to do the same. Judy ---------- >From: "Peter and Shauna Madden" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [SCT-INV] Can anyone help with these places? >Date: 25, Fri Jul, 2003, 7:52 am > > Dear List, > While extracting 1850 info for a shipping index, I came upon these > entries that must be places (towns, etc.) as they don't resemble any > of the Parish names: > > Muswelburg or Muswelbury (surname Baird) > > Trone or Irone (surname Ross) > > Dorss (surname Patterson) > > If you can tell me where they are (and how to spell them), I will > be most grateful. > > Peter. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear List, While extracting 1850 info for a shipping index, I came upon these entries that must be places (towns, etc.) as they don't resemble any of the Parish names: Muswelburg or Muswelbury (surname Baird) Trone or Irone (surname Ross) Dorss (surname Patterson) If you can tell me where they are (and how to spell them), I will be most grateful. Peter.

Just wondering if anyone knew whether there exist any census indexes for 1851, 1861 or 1871 that include Inverness town. Jeff Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Bailey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 11:54 PM Subject: Fw: [SCT-INV] Looking for the McKenzie Family > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Bailey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:46 PM > Subject: [SCT-INV] Looking for the McKenzie Family > > > > Hi > > I am looking for my ancestors who came from the Inverness area.My Great > Great Grandfather was John McKenzie. His wife was Margaret (don't know he > maiden name) They had at least three children namely John Alexander born > 1835 in Inverness Shire Scotland married Mary Ann McBain born 1830 in > Ardesier Inverness daughter of James McBain and Elizabeth Clarke, Christina > born 1835 in Inverness married Donald McRae and William born in 1837 married > to Mary Head. John A and Mary came to Australia with his sister in the > 1850's and settled in Armidale NSW. They had four children before John died > in 1862 at the early age of 29. > > William came out later and settled in the Wollongong area in NSW. > > I think that there were probably more children in the family and I would > love to find out more about them. I would also be interested in getting some > information on the McBain Family as I am trying to write a Family History. > > Is there anybody out there interested in these Families? > > Thank You > > Elizabeth Bailey > > Australia > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Bailey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:46 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] Looking for the McKenzie Family > Hi > I am looking for my ancestors who came from the Inverness area.My Great Great Grandfather was John McKenzie. His wife was Margaret (don't know he maiden name) They had at least three children namely John Alexander born 1835 in Inverness Shire Scotland married Mary Ann McBain born 1830 in Ardesier Inverness daughter of James McBain and Elizabeth Clarke, Christina born 1835 in Inverness married Donald McRae and William born in 1837 married to Mary Head. John A and Mary came to Australia with his sister in the 1850's and settled in Armidale NSW. They had four children before John died in 1862 at the early age of 29. > William came out later and settled in the Wollongong area in NSW. > I think that there were probably more children in the family and I would love to find out more about them. I would also be interested in getting some information on the McBain Family as I am trying to write a Family History. > Is there anybody out there interested in these Families? > Thank You > Elizabeth Bailey > Australia > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Bailey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2003 10:46 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] Looking for the McKenzie Family > Hi > I am looking for my ancestors who came from the Inverness area.My Great Great Grandfather was John McKenzie. His wife was Margaret (don't know he maiden name) They had at least three children namely John Alexander born 1835 in Inverness Shire Scotland married Mary Ann McBain born 1830 in Ardesier Inverness daughter of James McBain and Elizabeth Clarke, Christina born 1835 in Inverness married Donald McRae and William born in 1837 married to Mary Head. John A and Mary came to Australia with his sister in the 1850's and settled in Armidale NSW. They had four children before John died in 1862 at the early age of 29. > William came out later and settled in the Wollongong area in NSW. > I think that there were probably more children in the family and I would love to find out more about them. I would also be interested in getting some information on the McBain Family as I am trying to write a Family History. > Is there anybody out there interested in these Families? > Thank You > Elizabeth Bailey > Australia > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi I am looking for my ancestors who came from the Inverness area.My Great Great Grandfather was John McKenzie. His wife was Margaret (don't know he maiden name) They had at least three children namely John Alexander born 1835 in Inverness Shire Scotland married Mary Ann McBain born 1830 in Ardesier Inverness daughter of James McBain and Elizabeth Clarke, Christina born 1835 in Inverness married Donald McRae and William born in 1837 married to Mary Head. John A and Mary came to Australia with his sister in the 1850's and settled in Armidale NSW. They had four children before John died in 1862 at the early age of 29. William came out later and settled in the Wollongong area in NSW. I think that there were probably more children in the family and I would love to find out more about them. I would also be interested in getting some information on the McBain Family as I am trying to write a Family History. Is there anybody out there interested in these Families? Thank You Elizabeth Bailey Australia

Does anyone have access to any Census details for Cromdale & Inverallan regions who would be willing to look up a couple of names for me? Regards Mark -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Grant Mercer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 July 2003 00:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [SCT-INV] 1851 census Hi everyone Just wondering if anyone knew if there is an 1871 census index for Inverness. I am looking for a JAMES MCGILLIVRAY aged around 85, possibly living at 51 or 59 Huntly Rd, Inverness. Regards Jeff Mercer Sydney, Australia ______________________________

Hi everyone Just wondering if anyone knew if there is an 1871 census index for Inverness. I am looking for a JAMES MCGILLIVRAY aged around 85, possibly living at 51 or 59 Huntly Rd, Inverness. Regards Jeff Mercer Sydney, Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MACKENZIE, GILLANDERS, CAMPBELL Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/1117 Message Board Post: In the 1901 census, William Gillanders aged 51 and his wife, Jemima Mackenzie aged 43 from Stornoway, are living in Inverness with children Rose aged 16 and Ernest aged 11. Their son William M. aged 19 is living in Duthil and working as a bell hanger. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has any information on this family or its descendants.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDONALD; McNEIL/L Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/91.349 Message Board Post: I too am researching my McDonald ancestors from Moidart, Inverness who emmigrated to Victoria, Australia about 1852. Would love to make contact with you to exchange information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDONALD; McNEIL/L Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TeC.2ACE/320.1 Message Board Post: I am also researching my McDonald Ancestors from Moidart, Inverness who emmigrated to Victoria, Australia about 1852. Would love to exchange information with anyone else who may be researching this family. Look forward to hearing from anyone who may be able to provide some information