Yes, that is a lot of work and you may not get anything - and the 2011 wont be long now Liz >Hi Liz, > >I am in Bolton, about 20 miles from Preston. I think the price is £45, but >you need to have the exact address. They will only look at that address >and >will not do any searches. > >I am thinking of paying £45, but it may say she was born in Preston again, >which will be wrong. Also I will have to go to Preston Library to look at >the Electoral Register for 1911 to see if it shows where she lived at the >time. I am not sure if it shows women. She was widowed by then. > >Anne >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Liz Parkinson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 10:03 PM >Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD > > > > Anne, there is a way of getting some information off censuses early - > > although I think you need to have an address to be searched for not a > > name - > > but it is expensive, about £50.00 > > > > Where do you live? are you near to Preston > > > > Liz > >> > >>Hi Janet, Liz and June, > >> > >>Thank you for your replies. > >> > >>My great grandfather Peter Abbott had served in the army in the West > >>Indies > >>and was supposed to be sailing to Cork, but the weather was too bad and >he > >>ended up in Edinburgh. He served at the Castle for 12 months in about > >>1867. > >>In 1869 he was in the Barracks in Newport, Monmouthshire and Isabella >was > >>in > >>a lodging house and they were married in a catholic church nearby. I > >>don't > >>know weather she travelled there with him or followed him. Peter was a > >>catholic and their children were brought up as catholics, but Isabella >is > >>buried in the Church of England part of Preston Cemetery and Peter is > >>buried > >>in the catholic part. > >> > >>They went to Ireland after their marriage and my grandma's brother and > >>sister were born there. The children after them were born in Preston. > >> > >>They named their children William (Peter's father was called William) >and > >>Isabella said her father was also William, Peter, Elizabeth, Alice > >>(Peter's > >>mother's name), John and my grandma Ann Jane. > >> > >> >From this I would guess that Isabella's mother was also Isabella, > >>Elizabeth, > >>Ann or Jane. > >> > >>Liz, I will do as you suggest and try other spellings of Rutherford. I > >>know > >>there can be some weird and wonderful transcriptions on Ancestry. > >> > >>June, I have gone sideways, backwards and forwards and everything else I > >>can > >>think of. Like you, I am just hoping something hits me in the face, >that > >>I > >>have not thought of before. > >> > >>Unfortunately, I have no-one left that I can ask about their >grandmother. > >>The only thing I was told about her is that she was a good christian >woman > >>who read the bible every day and came from a big farm in Scotland. > >> > >>I am waiting for the 1911 Preston Census to come out, in the hope it >gives > >>a > >>more accurate place of birth. I have read that it may be available in > >>2009. > >> > >>Best Wishes, > >> > >>Anne in Bolton. > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Janet" <[email protected]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:00 PM > >>Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD > >> > >> > >> > Anne. I just want to say, I sympathise with you in your dilemma. I > >> > am > >> > however rather puzzled that Peter Abbott and your Isabella were >married > >>in > >> > Newport, Wales when he was eventually posted to Edinburgh Castle and > >>then > >> > Ireland. As a rule, we know that a marriage would have taken place >in > >>the > >> > Parish of the bride. Something doesn't quite fit, to my mind. > >> > > >> > As to the identity of the father of Isabella, I can empathise here. >My > >> > own mother, illegitimate at birth, named her grandfather as her >father > >>on > >> > the occasion of her marriage to my father. > >> > > >> > The information in the three census records also doesn't seem to fit, > >>does > >> > it. > >> > > >> > I am related to a number of Isabella females who came from big farms >in > >> > Scotland. It is so that the Scottish naming patterns, when applied, > >>cause > >> > confusion. I would however be inclined to accept the information of > >>your > >> > grandmother, even though we know that grandmothers are given to a > >> > slight > >> > loss of detail, and inclined to romanticise, as mine was. >Nevertheless, > >>as > >> > to the basics I have found what my grandmother told me to be true. > >> > > >> > You're suffering from the migration syndrome where once they removed >to > >> > another part of the country, i.e. Britain, anything is possible. I > >> > have > >> > something similar. > >> > > >> > I would however recommend you try looking for death certificates. I > >>have > >> > found them amazingly useful, calculating dates of death, except, with >a > >> > mind that early death is possible. Calculate your grandmother's >birth > >>and > >> > have an open mind from there. > >> > > >> > I realise that what I have said may have muddied the waters somewhat, > >> > or > >> > perhaps not. Don't give up. > >> > > >> > Janet > >> > PS As I have been writing this two or three other responses have come > >> > in > >> > which I have not read. > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> > >> > > >> > > >> >> Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great > >>grandmother, > >> >> > >> >> I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also > >>helped > >> >> numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a > >>novice, > >> >> but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella >Rutherford > >> >> born about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very >consistent > >> >> 1846/47. > >> >> > >> >> On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her > >> >> father as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were > >> >> married > >> >> in Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed >in > >> >> Ireland, so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. > >> >> > >> >> Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before > >>they > >> >> got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the > >> >> time. > >> >> > >> >> On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. > >> >> > >> >> On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. > >> >> > >> >> On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. > >> >> > >> >> Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, > >> >> born > >> >> 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the >certificate > >>for > >> >> Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and > >> >> Christian > >> >> Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages > >> >> and > >> >> travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this > >>family, > >> >> as this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also > >> >> discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie >Balmer. > >> >> > >> >> I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on >Ancestry > >> >> and also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. > >> >> > >> >> I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her >father. > >> >> > >> >> One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her >grandmother > >> >> Isabella came from a big farm. > >> >> > >> >> If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love >to > >> >> find her family and trace them further back. > >> >> > >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> > >> >> Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without > >>the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/604 - Release Date: > >> > 26/12/2006 12:23 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows LiveT Messenger has arrived. 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