It's also worth looking in Scotland's People with no first name. My Ggrandfather's first name was not given on his birth certificate (1864); he was born in hospital (unusually) and the matron or registrar wrote his surname beautifully, but not his first name - none of the others on his page have first names either. The matron obviously made one trip every day or two to register hospital births. Leslie Liz Parkinson wrote: > I have been throught this my 4 x gt grandmother, looking for her birth and > her death, and came to the conclusions she must have been beamed down by > aliens, and either have been beamed off again or was sitting in the corner > of a residential home aged 204 and no-one realised that when she talked of > the French Wars she was actually reminiscing. She was also an > Isabella/ela/el/elle! On her marriage records (pre 1837) her name, not > written by her she signed with a X, was either Greaves or Geaves depending > on whether or not you took the ink blob on one occurence to be an R or an > ink blob. > > She turned out to be Isabella JAVES. So, have you tried looking for > bizarre spelling mistakes. Dutherford, Sutherford, Wutherford etc. > However bizarre - I too am experienced but would never ever have looked for > Javes because it is so obscure I had never known anyone by that name, and it > took someone who had to think of it. > > Less likely - could she have been illegitimate and known by a different name > to her father, or could her mother have remarried after being widowed and > Isabella said that her father was William Rutherford when in fact in he was > really her step father. > > Or, could she simply have been beamed down by aliens :-) > > As for my Isabel*** JAVES, she did die, but the aliens must have reclaimed > her body as she wasnt buried anywhere - and I have tracked down all the > family graves for that group of people! > > HTH > > Liz P > > >> From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:42:49 -0000 >> >> Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great grandmother, >> >> I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped >> numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a novice, >> but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford born >> about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent 1846/47. >> >> On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her father >> as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in >> Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in Ireland, >> so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. >> >> Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they >> got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the time. >> >> On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. >> >> On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. >> >> On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. >> >> Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born >> 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate for >> Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian >> Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and >> travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, as >> this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also >> discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. >> >> I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry and >> also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. >> >> I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. >> >> One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother >> Isabella came from a big farm. >> >> If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to find >> her family and trace them further back. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find Singles In Your Area This Christmas With Match.com! msnuk.match.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you for the tip Leslie. I will try that. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Hastings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD > It's also worth looking in Scotland's People with no first name. My > Ggrandfather's first name was not given on his birth certificate (1864); > he was born in hospital (unusually) and the matron or registrar wrote > his surname beautifully, but not his first name - none of the others on > his page have first names either. The matron obviously made one trip > every day or two to register hospital births. > > Leslie > > Liz Parkinson wrote: >> I have been throught this my 4 x gt grandmother, looking for her birth >> and >> her death, and came to the conclusions she must have been beamed down by >> aliens, and either have been beamed off again or was sitting in the >> corner >> of a residential home aged 204 and no-one realised that when she talked >> of >> the French Wars she was actually reminiscing. She was also an >> Isabella/ela/el/elle! On her marriage records (pre 1837) her name, not >> written by her she signed with a X, was either Greaves or Geaves >> depending >> on whether or not you took the ink blob on one occurence to be an R or an >> ink blob. >> >> She turned out to be Isabella JAVES. So, have you tried looking for >> bizarre spelling mistakes. Dutherford, Sutherford, Wutherford etc. >> However bizarre - I too am experienced but would never ever have looked >> for >> Javes because it is so obscure I had never known anyone by that name, and >> it >> took someone who had to think of it. >> >> Less likely - could she have been illegitimate and known by a different >> name >> to her father, or could her mother have remarried after being widowed and >> Isabella said that her father was William Rutherford when in fact in he >> was >> really her step father. >> >> Or, could she simply have been beamed down by aliens :-) >> >> As for my Isabel*** JAVES, she did die, but the aliens must have >> reclaimed >> her body as she wasnt buried anywhere - and I have tracked down all the >> family graves for that group of people! >> >> HTH >> >> Liz P >> >> >>> From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD >>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:42:49 -0000 >>> >>> Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great >>> grandmother, >>> >>> I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped >>> numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a >>> novice, >>> but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford >>> born >>> about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent >>> 1846/47. >>> >>> On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her >>> father >>> as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in >>> Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in >>> Ireland, >>> so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. >>> >>> Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they >>> got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the >>> time. >>> >>> On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. >>> >>> On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. >>> >>> On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. >>> >>> Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born >>> 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate >>> for >>> Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian >>> Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and >>> travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, >>> as >>> this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also >>> discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. >>> >>> I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry >>> and >>> also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. >>> >>> I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. >>> >>> One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother >>> Isabella came from a big farm. >>> >>> If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to >>> find >>> her family and trace them further back. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Find Singles In Your Area This Christmas With Match.com! msnuk.match.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 29/12/2006 > 16:48 >