Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great grandmother, I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a novice, but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford born about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent 1846/47. On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her father as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in Ireland, so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the time. On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate for Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, as this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry and also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother Isabella came from a big farm. If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to find her family and trace them further back. Kind regards, Anne in Bolton, Lancashire.

I have been throught this my 4 x gt grandmother, looking for her birth and her death, and came to the conclusions she must have been beamed down by aliens, and either have been beamed off again or was sitting in the corner of a residential home aged 204 and no-one realised that when she talked of the French Wars she was actually reminiscing. She was also an Isabella/ela/el/elle! On her marriage records (pre 1837) her name, not written by her she signed with a X, was either Greaves or Geaves depending on whether or not you took the ink blob on one occurence to be an R or an ink blob. She turned out to be Isabella JAVES. So, have you tried looking for bizarre spelling mistakes. Dutherford, Sutherford, Wutherford etc. However bizarre - I too am experienced but would never ever have looked for Javes because it is so obscure I had never known anyone by that name, and it took someone who had to think of it. Less likely - could she have been illegitimate and known by a different name to her father, or could her mother have remarried after being widowed and Isabella said that her father was William Rutherford when in fact in he was really her step father. Or, could she simply have been beamed down by aliens :-) As for my Isabel*** JAVES, she did die, but the aliens must have reclaimed her body as she wasnt buried anywhere - and I have tracked down all the family graves for that group of people! HTH Liz P >From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD >Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:42:49 -0000 > >Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great grandmother, > >I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped >numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a novice, >but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford born >about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent 1846/47. > >On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her father >as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in >Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in Ireland, >so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. > >Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they >got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the time. > >On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. > >On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. > >On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. > >Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born >1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate for >Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian >Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and >travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, as >this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also >discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. > >I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry and >also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. > >I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. > >One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother >Isabella came from a big farm. > >If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to find >her family and trace them further back. > >Kind regards, > >Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Find Singles In Your Area This Christmas With Match.com! msnuk.match.com

Anne. I just want to say, I sympathise with you in your dilemma. I am however rather puzzled that Peter Abbott and your Isabella were married in Newport, Wales when he was eventually posted to Edinburgh Castle and then Ireland. As a rule, we know that a marriage would have taken place in the Parish of the bride. Something doesn't quite fit, to my mind. As to the identity of the father of Isabella, I can empathise here. My own mother, illegitimate at birth, named her grandfather as her father on the occasion of her marriage to my father. The information in the three census records also doesn't seem to fit, does it. I am related to a number of Isabella females who came from big farms in Scotland. It is so that the Scottish naming patterns, when applied, cause confusion. I would however be inclined to accept the information of your grandmother, even though we know that grandmothers are given to a slight loss of detail, and inclined to romanticise, as mine was. Nevertheless, as to the basics I have found what my grandmother told me to be true. You're suffering from the migration syndrome where once they removed to another part of the country, i.e. Britain, anything is possible. I have something similar. I would however recommend you try looking for death certificates. I have found them amazingly useful, calculating dates of death, except, with a mind that early death is possible. Calculate your grandmother's birth and have an open mind from there. I realise that what I have said may have muddied the waters somewhat, or perhaps not. Don't give up. Janet PS As I have been writing this two or three other responses have come in which I have not read. ----- Original Message ----- From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> > Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great grandmother, > > I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a novice, but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford born about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent 1846/47. > > On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her father as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in Ireland, so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. > > Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the time. > > On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. > > On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. > > On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. > > Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate for Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, as this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. > > I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry and also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. > > I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. > > One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother Isabella came from a big farm. > > If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to find her family and trace them further back. > > Kind regards, > > Anne in Bolton, Lancashire.