Good News, Brick wall down!! William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) Now I have my ggg grandparents. Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) Trisha NZ