I'm very glad you put this up as I have just discounted a possible ancestor registered in St Cuthbert's as I thought it meant the Catholic Church - and I'm sure my relatives wouldn't be Catholic. So if birth & marriage regs where in St Cuthbert's it then refers to the area not the actual church??? I am looking at (but not sure about) William and Lillias Graham abt. 1820. Son John. Maybe daughter Mary/Margaret. Trisha NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: judy olsen To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] St Cuthberts Re: Johnston/Thomson I'm by no means an expert on the Edinburgh parishes, but maybe this is a good time to point out to people just how confusing "St Cuthberts" can be. St Cuthberts was a parish like no other I have ever found in the UK. It grew 'like topsy' during the 19thc and included a population way beyond the numbers that could have been accommodated in any of the churches built on the site. I think one figure I had was a population of 40,000 and most churches in Edinburgh seated around 800 at the time. I did a quick google and found this map - no date- but just provides a flavour http://mowbray.homestead.com/files/edinparishes133kb.jpg As you can see. St Cuthberts sweeps round the city. Edinburgh grew with the creation of the New Town but also with massive population influxes and expansion. The growth was in fits and starts as you can see today from the dates of the residential buildings. At some point it created a 'new royalty' which I think included extra parishes but I am afraid I don't know when that was - mid 19thc at a guess. On top of all this, there were at least 20 to 30% of people in Edinburgh who were obliged to call banns at the local parish church but actually attended the many breakaway chapels. Many of these appear as 'marriages' at St Cuthberts via the LDS online indices but the ceremony took place elsewhere and the family would not have baptised their children at the church. In conclusion, in terms of the numbers included in its official remit St Cuthberts was perhaps 20 times the size of a typical Scottish parish and its area was way bigger than its Edinburgh neighbours. Judy On 16 Apr 2007, at 22:01, Doreen Baxter wrote: > Hello Liz > > If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate > which would give you his year of birth. > > Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I > will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. > There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but > this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the > entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage > entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only > they were all like that! > > It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your > line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and > brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a > link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Darby > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:03 PM > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Johnston/Thomson > > > Doreen > > I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, > Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I > can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married > Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael > Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having > Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have > been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and > Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter > from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this > again is elusive ) > But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the > birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June > 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? > Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at > about the same time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It may be coincidence that I have a William ROWAT and a Lilias GRAHAM born respectively 1777 and 1784. I also have a James ROWAT and Margaret GRAHAM born respectively 1787 and 1809. These folk originated in Cumbernauld Lanarkshire, and Kirkintilloch, Stirlingshire. I realise its not the information you want, but I offer it to suggest you might need to look further afield. We know that some people travelled some distance to find work and in the mid 1880s in the Industrial Revolution this was very true. People also emigrated because of religious prejudices. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "tricia clarke" <[email protected]> > I'm very glad you put this up as I have just discounted a possible ancestor registered in St Cuthbert's as I thought it meant the Catholic Church - and I'm sure my relatives wouldn't be Catholic. > So if birth & marriage regs where in St Cuthbert's it then refers to the area not the actual church??? > I am looking at (but not sure about) William and Lillias Graham abt. 1820. Son John. Maybe daughter Mary/Margaret. > Trisha > NZ

Two points here St Cuthberts isnt a Catholic church And never assume your ancestors mightnt have used a Catholic church occasionally, for social or other reasons. As a child I remember some awful conversations relating to race and religion, very anti-catholic, and it turns out one of the uncles taking part was born to a long line of Irish Catholics and was baptised Catholic, although I dont think he ever practiced. But he sure as heck knew about it, I cleared some of his stuff after he died and he knew Liz > >I'm very glad you put this up as I have just discounted a possible ancestor >registered in St Cuthbert's as I thought it meant the Catholic Church - and >I'm sure my relatives wouldn't be Catholic. >So if birth & marriage regs where in St Cuthbert's it then refers to the >area not the actual church??? >I am looking at (but not sure about) William and Lillias Graham abt. 1820. > Son John. Maybe daughter Mary/Margaret. >Trisha >NZ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: judy olsen > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:16 AM > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] St Cuthberts Re: Johnston/Thomson > > > I'm by no means an expert on the Edinburgh parishes, but maybe this > is a good time to point out to people just how confusing "St > Cuthberts" can be. > > St Cuthberts was a parish like no other I have ever found in the UK. > It grew 'like topsy' during the 19thc and included a population way > beyond the numbers that could have been accommodated in any of the > churches built on the site. I think one figure I had was a population > of 40,000 and most churches in Edinburgh seated around 800 at the time. > > I did a quick google and found this map - no date- but just provides > a flavour > > http://mowbray.homestead.com/files/edinparishes133kb.jpg > > As you can see. St Cuthberts sweeps round the city. Edinburgh grew > with the creation of the New Town but also with massive population > influxes and expansion. The growth was in fits and starts as you can > see today from the dates of the residential buildings. At some point > it created a 'new royalty' which I think included extra parishes but > I am afraid I don't know when that was - mid 19thc at a guess. > > On top of all this, there were at least 20 to 30% of people in > Edinburgh who were obliged to call banns at the local parish church > but actually attended the many breakaway chapels. Many of these > appear as 'marriages' at St Cuthberts via the LDS online indices but > the ceremony took place elsewhere and the family would not have > baptised their children at the church. > > In conclusion, in terms of the numbers included in its official remit > St Cuthberts was perhaps 20 times the size of a typical Scottish > parish and its area was way bigger than its Edinburgh neighbours. > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Apr 2007, at 22:01, Doreen Baxter wrote: > > > Hello Liz > > > > If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate > > which would give you his year of birth. > > > > Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I > > will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. > > There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but > > this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the > > entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage > > entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only > > they were all like that! > > > > It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your > > line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and > > brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a > > link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Liz Darby > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:03 PM > > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Johnston/Thomson > > > > > > Doreen > > > > I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, > > Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I > > can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married > > Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael > > Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having > > Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have > > been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and > > Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter > > from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this > > again is elusive ) > > But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the > > birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June > > 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? > > Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at > > about the same time. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Could you be the guest MSN Movies presenter? 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