Hi Janice Pinkie is a district of Musselburgh. I used to pass through Musselburgh fairly frequently when I was a child on the way to see my Grandmother in North Berwick. I googled "Pinkie" and there were several references to St Peter's Primary School. To go back to the Montgomery family. There were a few Montgomeries in Musselburgh in the 1901 Census. I did a bit of searching yesterday and looked up marriages between Montgomery (male) and Brown (female) in "Inveresk and Musselburgh". Between 1900 and 1932 there was one marriage - between Andrew Montgomery and Alice Brown in 1909. He was the son of George Montgomery and Agnes Aikman. She was illegitimate, the daughter of Margaret Cockburn Brown who had later married Alexander Baptie. Doesn't really sound very hopeful. There were 3 marriages in the whole of Midlothian between Male Montgomeries and Female Browns. Apart from George and Agnes above, there was 1 in the district of St Andrew in Edinburgh in 1917 between James Montgomery, Bookkeeper, and Annie Brown, daughter of William Brown, Fishmonger, and Agnes Dickson. Both Annie and James were living in 31 Dudley Crescent, Leith at the time of the marriage. He was 25 and she was 30. It was a "marriage by declaration" (a civil marriage) in the presence of William Gray, Coalminer, and Catherine Brown. The 3rd marriage was in Canongate, Edinburgh in 1911 between Hugh Montgomery and Christina Isabel Brown. I haven't looked at the image. I also looked at births of Montgomery female children in between 1909 and 1930 in "Inveresk and Musselburgh". There were 13 listed, as follows: 1909 Margaret Brown 1909 Violet Naysmith 1910 Agnes Begbie 1911 Annie Bryden 1913 Sarah Bowman 1917 Catherine 1913 Jessie Robertson 1920 Annie 1921 Margaret Davina 1921 Jemima Barr 1922 Janet Moffatt 1924 Jean 1930 Elizabeth (there are no images on Scotlands People for these births). - Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] John Brown and Mary Knowles > Hi everyone, > > I have just sent off all the information, which so many of you have sent > me > regarding this Brown family. Why, why did they not have a really rare > name > that stands out like a beacon. > > I was just reading down through the emails that Bob has sent me about his > family in Scotland and what he could remember his mother told him, and I > missed one very important piece of information. I did retain the > information > that Eva attended school in Musselburgh, but missed completely the strange > name of the school, Pinkie School. > > "...I know my mother attended school in Musselburgh as she mentioned on a > number of occasions Pinkie School, which is still in existence..." > > Does anyone know anything about this Pinkie School? > > Regards, > Janice > Down Under > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I saw that marriage registration as well but the age for Annie Brown is actually 20, not 30. I confirmed that by finding Annie Brown with her parents on the 1901 census in East Lothian and she was only 4 years old. After finding the census entry, I re-examined her age and the 2 does look like a 3 but when you compare it to the 2 in James' age, it looks more like that than the 3s found on the page. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: September 14, 2008 4:25 AM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] John Brown and Mary Knowles: Pinkie Apart from George and Agnes above, there was 1 in the district of St Andrew in Edinburgh in 1917 between James Montgomery, Bookkeeper, and Annie Brown, daughter of William Brown, Fishmonger, and Agnes Dickson. Both Annie and James were living in 31 Dudley Crescent, Leith at the time of the marriage. He was 25 and she was 30. It was a "marriage by declaration" (a civil marriage) in the presence of William Gray, Coalminer, and Catherine Brown.

Good morning Rhoda, What a wealth of information, and some of its looks really very promising. Thank you so much for all this family research you have carried out. I am now going to study it very carefully. Also, your question could Ann's mother be the 'Butcher's Assistant"? I suppose so, as she does not say mother or father, just "...daughter of a butcher's assistant..." Once I hear back from Bob, I will let you know what he intends to do, with all this information you and other Listers have been so generous providing. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] John Brown and Mary Knowles: Pinkie > Hi Janice > > Pinkie is a district of Musselburgh. I used to pass through Musselburgh > fairly frequently when I was a child on the way to see my Grandmother in > North Berwick. > > I googled "Pinkie" and there were several references to St Peter's Primary > School. > > To go back to the Montgomery family. There were a few Montgomeries in > Musselburgh in the 1901 Census. I did a bit of searching yesterday and > looked up marriages between Montgomery (male) and Brown (female) in > "Inveresk and Musselburgh". Between 1900 and 1932 there was one > marriage - > between Andrew Montgomery and Alice Brown in 1909. He was the son of > George > Montgomery and Agnes Aikman. She was illegitimate, the daughter of > Margaret > Cockburn Brown who had later married Alexander Baptie. Doesn't really > sound > very hopeful. > > There were 3 marriages in the whole of Midlothian between Male > Montgomeries > and Female Browns. Apart from George and Agnes above, there was 1 in the > district of St Andrew in Edinburgh in 1917 between James Montgomery, > Bookkeeper, and Annie Brown, daughter of William Brown, Fishmonger, and > Agnes Dickson. Both Annie and James were living in 31 Dudley Crescent, > Leith at the time of the marriage. He was 25 and she was 30. It was a > "marriage by declaration" (a civil marriage) in the presence of William > Gray, Coalminer, and Catherine Brown. > > The 3rd marriage was in Canongate, Edinburgh in 1911 between Hugh > Montgomery > and Christina Isabel Brown. I haven't looked at the image. > > I also looked at births of Montgomery female children in between 1909 and > 1930 in "Inveresk and Musselburgh". There were 13 listed, as follows: > 1909 Margaret Brown > 1909 Violet Naysmith > 1910 Agnes Begbie > 1911 Annie Bryden > 1913 Sarah Bowman > 1917 Catherine > 1913 Jessie Robertson > 1920 Annie > 1921 Margaret Davina > 1921 Jemima Barr > 1922 Janet Moffatt > 1924 Jean > 1930 Elizabeth > (there are no images on Scotlands People for these births). >

Good morning/evening Janice Forget my comment about the butcher's assistant; I wasn't thinking straight when I asked that question. However I have been thinking about Eva's birth certificate. Have you seen a copy of the Scottish birth certificate, or was the information relayed to you? It is most unusual on Scottish birth certificates to name the occupation of the mother's father. I have seen other birth certificates for illegitimate births where only the name of the mother is given, and they have not specified the maternal grandfather's occupation. Another thing: illegitimate births were noted as such on Scottish birth certificates, in the first column, headed "Name and Surname" although I imagine they have stopped this rather cruel practice now. By the time that Eva was born, her grandfather John Brown had progressed to being a butcher rather than a butcher's assistant which he had been when his daughter Ann Milne Brown was born, and which is named as his occupation on Ann's birth certificate. Mary Knowles father was a butcher just some doors down from where he lived at the time he married Mary, and I expect he probably worked as an assistant to his future father-in-law. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Doughty" <adoughty01@optusnet.com.au> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] John Brown and Mary Knowles: Pinkie > Good morning Rhoda, > > What a wealth of information, and some of its looks really very promising. > Thank you so much for all this family research you have carried out. I am > now going to study it very carefully. Also, your question could Ann's > mother be the 'Butcher's Assistant"? I suppose so, as she does not say > mother or father, just "...daughter of a butcher's assistant..." > > Once I hear back from Bob, I will let you know what he intends to do, with > all this information you and other Listers have been so generous > providing. > > Regards, > Janice > Belrose - Sydney > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] John Brown and Mary Knowles: Pinkie > > >> Hi Janice >> >> Pinkie is a district of Musselburgh. I used to pass through Musselburgh >> fairly frequently when I was a child on the way to see my Grandmother in >> North Berwick. >> >> I googled "Pinkie" and there were several references to St Peter's >> Primary >> School. >> >> To go back to the Montgomery family. There were a few Montgomeries in >> Musselburgh in the 1901 Census. I did a bit of searching yesterday and >> looked up marriages between Montgomery (male) and Brown (female) in >> "Inveresk and Musselburgh". Between 1900 and 1932 there was one >> marriage - >> between Andrew Montgomery and Alice Brown in 1909. He was the son of >> George >> Montgomery and Agnes Aikman. She was illegitimate, the daughter of >> Margaret >> Cockburn Brown who had later married Alexander Baptie. Doesn't really >> sound >> very hopeful. >> >> There were 3 marriages in the whole of Midlothian between Male >> Montgomeries >> and Female Browns. Apart from George and Agnes above, there was 1 in the >> district of St Andrew in Edinburgh in 1917 between James Montgomery, >> Bookkeeper, and Annie Brown, daughter of William Brown, Fishmonger, and >> Agnes Dickson. Both Annie and James were living in 31 Dudley Crescent, >> Leith at the time of the marriage. He was 25 and she was 30. It was a >> "marriage by declaration" (a civil marriage) in the presence of William >> Gray, Coalminer, and Catherine Brown. >> >> The 3rd marriage was in Canongate, Edinburgh in 1911 between Hugh >> Montgomery >> and Christina Isabel Brown. I haven't looked at the image. >> >> I also looked at births of Montgomery female children in between 1909 and >> 1930 in "Inveresk and Musselburgh". There were 13 listed, as follows: >> 1909 Margaret Brown >> 1909 Violet Naysmith >> 1910 Agnes Begbie >> 1911 Annie Bryden >> 1913 Sarah Bowman >> 1917 Catherine >> 1913 Jessie Robertson >> 1920 Annie >> 1921 Margaret Davina >> 1921 Jemima Barr >> 1922 Janet Moffatt >> 1924 Jean >> 1930 Elizabeth >> (there are no images on Scotlands People for these births). >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >