Good morning Listers, Many Listers responded to my query a couple of weeks ago about Ann Milne Brown, born 1909 in Edinburgh to John Brown and Mary Knowles. She is not the same Ann Milne Brown who Ron Brown is making enquires about on the List, though I do think that there is a connection somewhere. Maybe, the Ann I am seeking is either an Aunt or a cousin of Ron's Ann. The common link maybe through the marriage of John Brown Snr to Ann Milne on 21st March 1861. This Ann Brown (nee Milne) was my Ann Milne Brown's paternal grandmother. Hope that is not too confusing. John Brown and Mary Knowles were married on 31st Dec, 1879 in Edinburgh. It was believed that Ann Milne Brown sometime after 1910 immigrated to Canada, though I still have not been able to find her there. She even could have then made her way to the United States. I did some Googling and found that some Milnes did immigrate to Canada and the USA She left behind in Scotland a daughter Eva Christian Brown born 24th December 1909. I am helping Eva's son Bob to try and find his missing grandmother Ann and also to try and find who the family were that raised his mother Eva. Bob remembers his mother telling him that she lived in Musselburgh with a person she referred to as her "mother". Here is Bob's response to an email I sent him requesting more information: - "...I never met the person my mother referred to as her mother, as this person died before I was born (b.26.01.1941). My mother never made any reference to a father. My mother grew up with a person she referred to as her sister. I know her name was Annie Montgomery (which was her married name). Annie had three children, Effie, Jean and Annie. Effie and Jean were married (Jean in 1945) and their names were Dunbar and Leary respectively. The youngest Annie was not married and her surname was Montgomery. I have met all of the above and I know that Annie (Senior) and Effie are deceased. Jean I have had no contact with for at least 30 years and she would be at least 86 if she is still alive. I have had no contact with Annie for nearly 50 years since I left Scotland..." Note at the time Bob was in contact with Jean and Effie, he had no knowledge about his mother's story, which is a shame as he could have had the answers to all his questions. For some reason Bob was not able to find out Annie Montgomery Snr's maiden name, if he had been able to he would have had the surname of the lady who raised Eva Christian Brown. So we are looking for a marriage of an Annie or Ann ????? to a ????? Montgomery. Annie's daughter Jean Montgomery was born circa 1922 as she would be 86 if alive today. She appears to be the youngest of the three daughters, so her mother may have married circa 1918? We also have the surnames names Dunbar and Leary, which are the married names of Annie's sisters, Effie and Jean. There are a few clues here that may help to find out who raised Eva. I have also sent off an email to the Musselburgh Primary School, hoping that around 1915 Eva attended school there. If she did and their records are archived maybe Eva is listed, with her address and the name of the family she was living with. So far I have had not responce. Fingers crossed she did attend school there. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia

I'm assuming that your reference to Ann Milne Brown being born in 1909 is a typo and that was the year her daughter was born. I re-read your original posts and I'm afraid I have some bad news. You indicated before that the Ann Milne Brown you are looking for was born 28 May 1885 to John Brown, butcher's assistant and Mary Knowles and her place of birth was 6 Chalmers Building, Edinburgh. I found a death registration at ScotlandsPeople for Ann Milne Brown, daughter of John Brown, butcher's assistant and Mary Knowles who died 16 Feb 1886 at the age of 8 months. Her place of death is listed as 6 Chalmers Building. It does appear that a different Ann Milne Brown was the mother of Eva Christian Brown. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janice Doughty Sent: September 12, 2008 7:26 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] MYSTERY OF EVA CHRISTIAN BROWN Good morning Listers, Many Listers responded to my query a couple of weeks ago about Ann Milne Brown, born 1909 in Edinburgh to John Brown and Mary Knowles. She is not the same Ann Milne Brown who Ron Brown is making enquires about on the List, though I do think that there is a connection somewhere. Maybe, the Ann I am seeking is either an Aunt or a cousin of Ron's Ann. The common link maybe through the marriage of John Brown Snr to Ann Milne on 21st March 1861. This Ann Brown (nee Milne) was my Ann Milne Brown's paternal grandmother. Hope that is not too confusing. John Brown and Mary Knowles were married on 31st Dec, 1879 in Edinburgh. It was believed that Ann Milne Brown sometime after 1910 immigrated to Canada, though I still have not been able to find her there. She even could have then made her way to the United States. I did some Googling and found that some Milnes did immigrate to Canada and the USA She left behind in Scotland a daughter Eva Christian Brown born 24th December 1909. I am helping Eva's son Bob to try and find his missing grandmother Ann and also to try and find who the family were that raised his mother Eva. Regards, Janice Belrose - Sydney Australia

Good evening Jackie, Well, this has really put the cat amongst the pigeons. Thank you so very, very much for this information and the copy of baby Ann's death registration, however the plot thickens and the mystery just gets deeper. We can see now that Ann Milne Brown born 28th May 1885 to John Brown Butcher's Assistance and Mary Brown (nee Knowles) of 6 Chalmers Building, Edinburgh, died at the age of 8 months of Tubercular Meningitis. Then who is Mary Milne Brown, daughter of a Butcher's Assistant, of 86 Grove Street, Edinburgh who gave birth out of wedlock to Eva Christian Brown on 24th December 1909. I have noticed in carrying out family research on both my side of the family and my husband's here in Australia, when a son or daughter died as an infant, the next boy or girl born to the couple would be named after the deceased sibling. I note my great grandfather John Nadin, named everyone of his sons, John however they were always called and known by their second Christian name. I think back in those days, parents were ready to accept the death of their children in infancy and were more than thankful for those who did survive. Once again, Jackie thank you so much for this information. I know Bob is going to be very perplexed over this new information. Yes, also you are correct I did have the incorrect year of birth, got mother and daughter's year of birth mixed up. Regards, Janice Belrose-Sydney Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" <jjjcmj@mts.net> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] MYSTERY OF EVA CHRISTIAN BROWN > I'm assuming that your reference to Ann Milne Brown being born in 1909 is > a typo and that was the > year her daughter was born. I re-read your original posts and I'm afraid I > have some bad news. You > indicated before that the Ann Milne Brown you are looking for was born 28 > May 1885 to John Brown, > butcher's assistant and Mary Knowles and her place of birth was 6 Chalmers > Building, Edinburgh. I > found a death registration at ScotlandsPeople for Ann Milne Brown, > daughter of John Brown, butcher's > assistant and Mary Knowles who died 16 Feb 1886 at the age of 8 months. > Her place of death is listed > as 6 Chalmers Building. It does appear that a different Ann Milne Brown > was the mother of Eva > Christian Brown. > > Jacquie > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Janice Doughty > Sent: September 12, 2008 7:26 PM > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] MYSTERY OF EVA CHRISTIAN BROWN > > Good morning Listers, > > Many Listers responded to my query a couple of weeks ago about Ann Milne > Brown, born 1909 in Edinburgh to John Brown and Mary Knowles. She is not > the > same Ann Milne Brown who Ron Brown is making enquires about on the List, > though I do think that there is a connection somewhere. Maybe, the Ann I > am > seeking is either an Aunt or a cousin of Ron's Ann. The common link maybe > through the marriage of John Brown Snr to Ann Milne on 21st March 1861. > This > Ann Brown (nee Milne) was my Ann Milne Brown's paternal grandmother. Hope > that is not too confusing. > >\

Hi Janice Mary Knowles died in Edinburgh in 1898 aged 36. This would fit with the John Brown born Edinburgh c1860, a butcher living in Grove Street, who appears in the 1891 Census with his wife Mary and family and then in the 1901 census without his wife, and with two children: Mary,17, and Alexander,11. Another son, John, who appeared in the 1891 Census aged 11, is no longer living with his father in 1901. May I ask how you know that Bob's Grandmother, Annie, was the daughter of a "butcher's assistant"? And what made you think that she was the daughter of John Brown and Mary Knowles? Rhoda

Hi Janice, Last post from me on this, you will be glad to know! Jean Leary nee Montgomery died in Edinburgh in 2003 aged 79. There is no image of the death certificate on Scotlands People, but you can order it. And it should answer a lot of your questions. It should give you the names of both her parents, together with the maiden name of her mother. Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . Look up Death of Jean Montgomery 2003 and hey presto, you will find it on the index (it will cost you 1 credit to do this) together with an Order link to enable you to order a copy of the certificate. I think the certificate will cost you around £10, but cheap at the price. Best wishes Rhoda p.s you will need to register (free) but in order to view the index and any certificates you will need to purchase a minimum of 30 credits at a cost of £6 sterling, payable by credit card.