Hi Judy, It would indeed be 'aisle' but signifying an area in the kirk - apparently the various craft incorporations all had their areas for seating and some burials were under the floor. I was interested that this couple would be buried one in the 'ground' outside and one in the 'isle' inside. But would really like to know which areas these were! The older Kirk Session records online (at the wonderful Scotsfind site, the owner of which is on this list - many thanks again for all his work!) suggest that the tailors' and wrights' grounds were on the south side of the kirk, along with those of various other crafts and trades. Jenny >Maybe that's 'taylor's aisle', suggesting there was some kind of >enclosure. > >Judy

I dont know what other info you have but if you are going by the burial entries I would not assume that one partner was buried inside the church. As I am sure you know a burial aisle could be external to the church. I don't think there is an exact definition but it's really like a chapel or small house. I happened to be passing Sth Leith Parish church today and took some pics. I looked at tons of stones but did not see your names. Loads of stones mentioning the craft of the grave occupant. Two very fancy aisles from the 1830s with a family to each bay, but these are to the north. Also lots of the more typical 18thC type of aisles, most of which seemed to be family grounds. If you look at the various maps on the NLS site some of them seem to indicate that the line of aisles/buryingrounds/mausoleums formed a regular border around the southern part of the graveyard. There are two or three large ones sticking out which I think may be amongst those i photographed. Some of the later maps show a smaller kirkyard which looks like the southern part has been built on. Its a bit hard to work out what is where. I think I read that the Taylors were in the church gallery. Yes, there could be burials under the church floor but I dont think you can assume that means that the crafts buried their dead under the floor in their allotted seating area. Under floor burials were in fact quite an issue in the period but there isnt space to go into that here. My hypothesis would be that the Taylors had a burial ground in the form of an aisle and that it has either been built over or otherwise demolished. So with the couple in question you are looking at a difference in wording not location. As for Marion, I take that to mean that they had a second lair backing directly on to the first. I will post a link where people can see the pics as there probably a few people here with links to the parish. I have included a few actual stones, chosen for their quality rather than the names on them, Judy On 7 Feb 2009, at 12:29, J Blain wrote: > Hi Judy, > > It would indeed be 'aisle' but signifying an area in the kirk - > apparently the various craft incorporations all had their areas for > seating and some burials were under the floor. I was interested that > this couple would be buried one in the 'ground' outside and one in > the 'isle' inside. > > But would really like to know which areas these were! The older Kirk > Session records online (at the wonderful Scotsfind site, the owner of > which is on this list - many thanks again for all his work!) suggest > that the tailors' and wrights' grounds were on the south side of the > kirk, along with those of various other crafts and trades. > > Jenny > >> Maybe that's 'taylor's aisle', suggesting there was some kind of >> enclosure. >> >> Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

These are now in my Edinburgh folder on FLICKR. http://www.flickr.com/photos/judipod/sets/72157600609921191/ j

Hi Judy, There are various entries in the early Leith Kirk Session records online which refer to the crafts' aisles in the church, and I should have made more plain that I was referring to these. One of the explanatory notes from that (1911) edited version (inserted after 1 Feb 1655) days: "Note: The churchyard like the church was apportioned amongst the incorporations. Going from west to east, the ground north of the church was apparently appropriated by the maltmen, Cordiners, hammermen, carrters, and porters. The ground behind the east end of hte church belonged to the Trinity House, and south thereof to the trafickers and merchants. Going back along the south side of the church, from east to west we find indications that the various crafts had their burial places there - the extreme west being taken up by the maltmen and the casters. If this division is compared with that of the sittings within the church, a significant analogy will be discovered between the two. It would seem that the incorporations made burials within their respective aisles in the church and also in the ground of the churchyard immediately outside their aisles." Elsewhere there are a few references to burials within the kirk, and to the various aisles where the tailors and others sat. Indeed these burials in the kirk were seen as problematic and various attempts made to stop them, but apparently the practice did continue occasionally. Alas I don't have access to the 18th century kirk session records, only the earlier ones. Aisle might mean in, or in a chapel of some kind outside - should certainly when next there look to see what is currently closest the church in line with that space behind Andrew Waugh's gravestone. Now on to see the rest of the photos... All best, Jenny Judy said: >If you look at the various maps on the NLS site some of them seem to >indicate that the line of aisles/buryingrounds/mausoleums formed a >regular border around the southern part of the graveyard. There are >two or three large ones sticking out which I think may be amongst >those i photographed. Some of the later maps show a smaller kirkyard >which looks like the southern part has been built on. Its a bit hard >to work out what is where. > >I think I read that the Taylors were in the church gallery. Yes, >there could be burials under the church floor but I dont think you >can assume that means that the crafts buried their dead under the >floor in their allotted seating area. Under floor burials were in >fact quite an issue in the period but there isnt space to go into >that here. > >My hypothesis would be that the Taylors had a burial ground in the >form of an aisle and that it has either been built over or otherwise >demolished. So with the couple in question you are looking at a >difference in wording not location. > >As for Marion, I take that to mean that they had a second lair >backing directly on to the first. > >I will post a link where people can see the pics as there probably a >few people here with links to the parish. I have included a few >actual stones, chosen for their quality rather than the names on them, > >Judy >