Hi, I'm looking for more information about Francis McIVER. The following is found in the Scottish Archives: RReference Title Date AD14 Crown Office precognitions 1801-1900 AD14/35 Crown Office precognitions, 1835 1835 Country code GB Repository code 234 Repository National Archives of Scotland Reference AD14/35/428 Title Precognition against Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the crime of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction Dates 1835 Access status Open Level File Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database Related record JC26/1835/544 Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Age: 13, Address: College Wynd, Edinburgh, with father Daniel Bain, Age: 14, tailor, Address: c/o Joan Gow, Canongate, Edinburgh Associated places NA4265 Scotland Reference Title Date JC26 High Court of Justiciary processes 1550-1997 Country code GB Repository code 234 Repository National Archives of Scotland Reference JC26/1835/544 Title Trial papers relating to Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the crime of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction. Tried at High Court, Edinburgh Dates 19 May 1835 Access status Open Level File Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database Related record AD14/35/428 Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: theft. Note: Pannel cannot write. Daniel Bain, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: theft

Hi Rick Have you thought about getting copies of the precognition and trial papers? They can be quite informative, but can also be quite costly. I did this for papers relating to an ancestor and the NAS itemised a list of the documents that were available, and the charge for copying each document. I ordered them all, but I could have been more selective. I started off by hiring a researcher to look at the papers to see what information was available, and to confirm that it was my ancestor. She fitted this in with another visit to the Archives and she charged me £10 for the visit. I think you may have to do this if you want to find out a bit more about him. I looked for his father on the 1841 Census and couldn't find a Francis McIver in Edinburgh. But there was one in Glasgow He was 40-45, a cotton spinner, born in Ireland. Going back to your convict, the name 'Francis' suggests that he may have been a Roman Catholic in which case his birth, if registered, will not be on the Scotlands People (SP) website - yet. At present only Church of Scotland registers between 1553 and 1854 are kept on SP. Statutory registration was not introduced until 1855 in Scotland, and not all births and marriages were registered before then. He may of course have been born in Ireland. I googled "College Wynd" and found that Sir Walter Scott was born there in 1771. There is a wonderful old photograph, of a rather delapidated College Wynd in 1870 here: http://www.walterscott.lib.ed.ac.uk/biography/homes.html [click on the thumbnail to see a full-sized photo] Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Smith" <ricksmith61@gmail.com> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:27 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Francis McIVER about 1822 Edinburgh - child convictto Australia > Hi, > > I'm looking for more information about Francis McIVER. The following > is found in the Scottish Archives: > > RReference Title Date > AD14 Crown Office precognitions 1801-1900 > AD14/35 Crown Office precognitions, 1835 1835 > Country code GB > Repository code 234 > Repository National Archives of Scotland > Reference AD14/35/428 > Title Precognition against Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the crime > of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction > Dates 1835 > Access status Open > Level File > Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database > Related record JC26/1835/544 > Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Age: 13, > Address: College Wynd, Edinburgh, with father Daniel Bain, Age: 14, > tailor, Address: c/o Joan Gow, Canongate, Edinburgh > Associated places > > NA4265 Scotland > > > > Reference Title Date > JC26 High Court of Justiciary processes 1550-1997 > Country code GB > Repository code 234 > Repository National Archives of Scotland > Reference JC26/1835/544 > Title Trial papers relating to Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the > crime of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction. Tried at > High Court, Edinburgh > Dates 19 May 1835 > Access status Open > Level File > Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database > Related record AD14/35/428 > > Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Verdict: > Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: > theft. Note: Pannel cannot write. Daniel Bain, Verdict: Guilty, > Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: theft > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rick, your Francis McIver was tranported to Hobart, Tasmania aboard the ship Lord Lyndoch, departing London 24 Apr 1836 and arriving Hobart 19 Aug 1836. His accomplice, Daniel Bane was on the same ship. The Archives Office of Tasmania (www.archives.tas.gov.au) will have loads of info on him. Their website provides the following entry: Convict No: 45868 Voyage Ship: Lord Lyndoch (2) Voyage No: 134 Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1836 Departure Date: 24 Apr 1836 Departure Port: London Conduct Record: CON31/1/24 Appropriation List: CON27/1/2, CSO1/1/875 18510, MM33/6 Description List: CON18/1/13 p341, CON23/1/2 (Conduct record will contain a summary of his crime and any subsequent convictions; Appropriation lists will tell where he was assigned to work; Description lists will give a physical description - like an old-fashioned identikit). There may also be subsequent marriage records, etc in Tasmania, available from the Archives (records from Tas Archives much cheaper than from Scotland!) The Aus-Tas mailing list is also an extremely helpful resource. Regards Richard Carlaw ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 15:27:08 +1100 > From: ricksmith61@gmail.com > To: SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Francis McIVER about 1822 Edinburgh - child convict to Australia > > Hi, > > I'm looking for more information about Francis McIVER. The following > is found in the Scottish Archives: > > RReference Title Date > AD14 Crown Office precognitions 1801-1900 > AD14/35 Crown Office precognitions, 1835 1835 > Country code GB > Repository code 234 > Repository National Archives of Scotland > Reference AD14/35/428 > Title Precognition against Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the crime > of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction > Dates 1835 > Access status Open > Level File > Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database > Related record JC26/1835/544 > Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Age: 13, > Address: College Wynd, Edinburgh, with father Daniel Bain, Age: 14, > tailor, Address: c/o Joan Gow, Canongate, Edinburgh > Associated places > > NA4265 Scotland > > > > Reference Title Date > JC26 High Court of Justiciary processes 1550-1997 > Country code GB > Repository code 234 > Repository National Archives of Scotland > Reference JC26/1835/544 > Title Trial papers relating to Francis McIver, Daniel Bain for the > crime of theft, habit and repute, and previous conviction. Tried at > High Court, Edinburgh > Dates 19 May 1835 > Access status Open > Level File > Finding aids 19th Century Solemn Database > Related record AD14/35/428 > > Accused Francis McIver, son of Francis McIver, mason, Verdict: > Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: > theft. Note: Pannel cannot write. Daniel Bain, Verdict: Guilty, > Sentence: Transportation - 7 years Previous convictions: theft > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ See all the ways you can stay connected to friends and family http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx