Hi Judy, thanks for your reply and input. I have that 1891 census, as it was the only census I found with William Wilson, Insurance Agent. I have also checked the children's names on the IGI and ScotlandsPeople. With too many William's & Margaret's marrying in the time frame, it's difficult what couple I choose, without Margaret's mum's maiden name. I forgot to add that in 1900, when she married, her age is 26 & Arthur is 30. That would make her birth 1873/4-ish. I have spent a bit of money on ScotlandsPeople looking around this date - but am still stumped. The GRO cannot help me because I don't know the mother's surname. Any further ideas would be welcome. Thanks again. Regards Brian. judy olsen <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: I'll leave you to decide if this is the same family from 1871 to 1901. The children seem to match but there is a move from the centre of town down to Leith for 1901 and apparently a return to an old occupation. If it IS them, then there are loads of children to check out. Robert T born c1889 should be easy enough to check via Scotlandspeople because of the middle initial. David on the other hand makes his appearance 8 months before the 1881 census, which might be even better. This would be a starting point for finding marriages, deaths etc for the others and with luck confirming that this is one family and that its the right Maggie. Judy

I'll leave you to decide if this is the same family from 1871 to 1901. The children seem to match but there is a move from the centre of town down to Leith for 1901 and apparently a return to an old occupation. If it IS them, then there are loads of children to check out. Robert T born c1889 should be easy enough to check via Scotlandspeople because of the middle initial. David on the other hand makes his appearance 8 months before the 1881 census, which might be even better. This would be a starting point for finding marriages, deaths etc for the others and with luck confirming that this is one family and that its the right Maggie. Judy There's an age discrepancy but this could be the WILSONs in 1891 William Wilson Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/3 Registration district: Canongate Civil Parish: Edinburgh Old Church County: Midlothian Address: 4 Chessels Ct Occupation: Insurance Agent ED: 89 Household schedule number: 14a Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1891_349 Household Members: Name Age David Wilson 10 John Wilson 19 Margaret Wilson 45 Margaret Wilson 13 Robert Wilson 2 Thomas Wilson 7 William Wilson 46 William Wilson 22 Then 1881 William Wilson Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Canongate, Edinburghshire Registration Number: 685/3 Registration district: Canongate Civil Parish: Canongate County: Midlothian Occupation: Gramway Labourer [presumably that's tramway???] ED: 88 Household schedule number: 40 Line: 17 Roll: cssct1881_288 Household Members: Name Age Annie Wilson 14 David Wilson 8 Mo John Wilson 9 Margaret Wilson 36 Margaret Wilson 3 William Wilson 36 William Wilson 12 Then a possible match in 1871 William Wilson Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margret Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh Registration Number: 685/5 Registration district: Newington Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 3 East Richmond St Occupation: Corkcutter ED: 19 Household schedule number: 23 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1871_165 Household Members: Name Age Annie Wilson 4 Jane Wilson 7 Margret Wilson 26 William Wilson 26 William Wilson 2 Is this the same family 30 years later in 1901? Different area, back to being a cork cutter? William Wilson Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margert Gender: Male Where born: Edinburgh, Midlothian Registration Number: 692/2 Registration district: Leith South Civil Parish: Leith South Town: Leith County: Midlothian Address: 37 Cables Wynd Occupation: Cork Cutter ED: 33 Household schedule number: 26 Line: 10 Roll: CSSCT1901_402 Household Members: Name Age Margert Wilson 55 Robert T Wilson 12 William Wilson 56

Hi Ian, Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I don't have any more info on my WILSONs,so I wouldn't know of any connection. A Thomas WILSON was witness at her marriage in Birmingham.He might be a brother or other relative.Another witness was a J J STEPHENS - relative/friend?. Am sure she must have had siblings and hopefully they had children. Without her mother's maiden name - I'm stuck. Margaret & Arthur WARE moved back to Edinburgh and had 3 children in Edinburgh. A 4th, my late father was born in Blackpool on their way back down south - presumably York, where my WAREs are from.Apparently the WAREs were terrible for moving around. I have my WARE family ok but nothing more on Margaret. Thank again though. Regards Brian. Ian Martin <ianmartin@mac.com> wrote: Hello Brian, I have some Edinburgh WILSONs. Not sure if there is any link to yours though.

If William Wilson, insurance agent, from the 1891 census is yours then here he is on the 1871 and 1881 census. The occupations for William are different but it certainly is/was not unusual for people to change jobs. I doubt you'll find any entries that match all of the family as well as these do when it comes to names, ages and places of birth matching up. 1881 census - Canongate, Edinburgh William Wilson, head, age: 36, occupation: Gramway Labourer, born: Canongate, Edinburgh Margaret Wilson, wife, age: 36, born: Canongate, Edinburgh Annie Wilson, daughter, age: 14, occupation: Paper Ruler, Machine Girl, born: Newington, Edinburgh William Wilson, son, age: 12, born: Dalkeith, Edinburgh John Wilson, son, age: 9, born: Lady Yester's, Edinburgh Margaret Wilson, daughter, age: 3, born: So Leith, Edinburgh David Wilson, son, age: 8 months, born: Canongate, Edinburgh 1871 census - 3 East Richmond St, Newington, Edinburgh William Wilson, head, age: 26, occupation: Corkcutter, born: Edinburgh Margret Wilson, wife, age: 26, born: Edinburgh Jane Wilson, daughter, age: 7, born: Edinburgh Annie Wilson, daughter, age: 4, born: Edinburgh William Wilson, son, age: 2, born: Cheith*, Edinburgh *mistranscribed in database - you would have to check the original to see if it says Dalkeith or Leith or something else. As luck would have it, there was only one William Wilson born between 1868 and 1870 in Dalkeith. Here are the details from his birth: William Wilson, born 13 Aug 1868 at Scotts Close, Dalkeith to William Wilson, cork cutter and Margaret Wilson, maiden surname Mills. Their marriage date is listed on the certificate as 11 Jul 1862 in Edinburgh. William Wilson, father, was the informant. Further confirmation, there is a death registration for Margaret Wilson, married to William Wilson, insurance agent, who died 16 Mar 1915 in North Leith. Her parents are listed as Alexander Mills, joiner (deceased) and Annie Mills, maiden surname Robertson (deceased). William Wilson, widower is the informant. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brian ware Sent: November 10, 2008 1:11 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret WILSON Hi Judy, thanks for your reply and input. I have that 1891 census, as it was the only census I found with William Wilson, Insurance Agent. I have also checked the children's names on the IGI and ScotlandsPeople. With too many William's & Margaret's marrying in the time frame, it's difficult what couple I choose, without Margaret's mum's maiden name. I forgot to add that in 1900, when she married, her age is 26 & Arthur is 30. That would make her birth 1873/4-ish. I have spent a bit of money on ScotlandsPeople looking around this date - but am still stumped. The GRO cannot help me because I don't know the mother's surname. Any further ideas would be welcome. Thanks again. Regards Brian.

Hello Brian, I have some Edinburgh WILSONs. Not sure if there is any link to yours though. Kenneth McCrae WILSON, son of John WILSON and Alison THOMSON. b. ca. 1853. Married 8 Mar 1872 to Helen Henderson STEEDMAN, at 411 Broughton St. Edinburgh. Their dau. Catherine WILSON, b. 20 Apr 1885 at 10 Barlston Place, Edinburgh, married 15 Jul 1910 at 67 Merchiston Pl. Edinburgh, to Donald McLEOD. regards, Ian Martin On 10 Nov, 2008, at 3:02 AM, sct-edinburgh-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:22:31 +0000 (GMT) > From: brian ware <lorconbew@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret WILSON > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <194605.17402.qm@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hello listers, > > Any WILSONs out there, connected to a Margaret WILSON (known as > Maggie) b.c1874, Edinburgh. father - William WILSON (insurance > agent - according to marriage certificate.) > > 1900 - Margaret WILSON married Arthur WARE in Aston,Birmingham. > Arthur WARE died in 1930 in Restalrig, Edinburgh. > Margaret WARE (nee WILSON) died at 35 Dean Street.Leith in 1965. > > I have both marriage & death certs and a copy of the 1901 census. > marriage cert has only father William on it. death cert has father > William and mother Margaret - no surname. > > Margaret lived at various addresses in Edinburgh, > i.e., Niddrie - Portobello - Leith. She died in Dean St. Leith. > > Thanks in advance. > Regards Brian.

Hello listers, Any WILSONs out there, connected to a Margaret WILSON (known as Maggie) b.c1874, Edinburgh. father - William WILSON (insurance agent - according to marriage certificate.) 1900 - Margaret WILSON married Arthur WARE in Aston,Birmingham. Arthur WARE died in 1930 in Restalrig, Edinburgh. Margaret WARE (nee WILSON) died at 35 Dean Street.Leith in 1965. I have both marriage & death certs and a copy of the 1901 census. marriage cert has only father William on it. death cert has father William and mother Margaret - no surname. Margaret lived at various addresses in Edinburgh, i.e., Niddrie - Portobello - Leith. She died in Dean St. Leith. Thanks in advance. Regards Brian.

Hello listers, Any WILSONs out there, connected to a Margaret WILSON (known as Maggie) b.c1874, Edinburgh. father - William WILSON (insurance agent - according to marriage certificate.) 1900 - Margaret WILSON married Arthur WARE in Aston,Birmingham. Arthur WARE died in 1930 in Restalrig, Edinburgh. Margaret WARE (nee WILSON) died at 35 Dean Street.Leith in 1965. I have both marriage & death certs and a copy of the 1901 census. marriage cert has only father William on it. death cert has father William and mother Margaret - no surname. Margaret lived at various addresses in Edinburgh, i.e., Niddrie - Portobello - Leith. She died in Dean St. Leith. Thanks in advance. Regards Brian.

I wonder if any one is going to Edinburgh Record Office will have a few spare minutes to do a look up for me. I have only found out the Agnes Elder married Edward Biggar Forsyth 1927 in Galashields they are buried in Galashields. In the plot where they are buried there is also, Mary McGloughlin?? died March 1988 & Mary Greener 24 10 ??05 I was wondering if the two Mary's where the children of Agnes Elder & Edward Forsyth. I have looked on Scotland People web site to no avail. Thank you. Bob Elder

 Hi Meg If you've still got the film, could you look up this one for 07/08/1843   ALGEO, ROBERT NEWCOMEN  &  CHARLOTTE WAUCH/FR2128   Many Thanks   Joanne

Thanks everyone for all the contributions on banns and marriages. I have come across several of these where a couple appear to marry in two different parishes on different dates, and now I can see how it happens. Antonia in NZ

Good afternoon Sheena Spot on !! If the event is between the 1841/1851 Census it is also a great help to find where they were/moved from ! It is little things like this that are the unoticed aids !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh > > The exciting thing is with the information in two parishes, you get an > idea > where each of them came from, or was working, at the time of their > marriage! > Best wishes, > Sheena >

The exciting thing is with the information in two parishes, you get an idea where each of them came from, or was working, at the time of their marriage! Best wishes, Sheena

Lovely stuff on Croft-an -Righ. Thanks everyone. It seems that my couple, James Harrower HUNTER and Mary Anne HUNTER had their banns called in both his parish, Edinburgh, and her parish, Torryburn. As not all parishes wrote down all the banns, this led to different dates being recorded, which may have been interpreted as different marriage dates rather than as consecutive Banns. Antonia (NZ)

Good morning, Good point ! This comes up regularly at SGS library with overseas visitor's The practice should be that where possible IGI entries , especially where they have been submitted by a member , are checked against another source . i.e. OPR , Census, Kirk Session Minutes. The "IGI's" are a wonderful source but unfortunately some of the entries which have been placed there by individuals rather than from an OPR film can be erroneous . Please "handle these with care " and check them out . LDS have made FH available to so many people !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh > I'm not an LDS churchmember but do volunteer in a Family History Center. > A FHC director informed me of the problem they had in constructing the > IGI with dates of the proclamation of the Banns written in the Old > Parish Records. Since there was no place in the software to put the > dates for BANNS, it was decided they would have to be input as > MARRIAGES. You'll not find BANNS dates and MARRIAGE dates like you find > Births and Baptisms. Perhaps its happened with Patron Submissions, but > I've not yet seen a Banns entry in the IGI. The volunteers had no > choice but to do as they were instructed. It sure has caused a lot of > researching problems over the years. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > ======================= > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1751 - Release Date: 27/10/2008 22:44

Good morning Antonia , Good point !! The reason for this was the Banns had to be read in "THE PARISH THE PERSON WAS NORMALLY DOMICILED IN OR THE PARISH CHURCH SHE WAS A MEMBER OF " I.E. If he lived in Edinburgh and was courting a lass from Torryburn who happened to be working in Edinburgh but had not transferred her "Certificate" to Edinburgh Parish her Banns would have to be read in Torryburn . Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh > Lovely stuff on Croft-an -Righ. Thanks everyone. > > It seems that my couple, James Harrower HUNTER and Mary Anne HUNTER had > their banns called in both his parish, Edinburgh, and her parish, > Torryburn. > As not all parishes wrote down all the banns, this led to different dates > being recorded, which may have been interpreted as different marriage > dates > rather than as consecutive Banns. > > Antonia (NZ) >

I'm not an LDS churchmember but do volunteer in a Family History Center. A FHC director informed me of the problem they had in constructing the IGI with dates of the proclamation of the Banns written in the Old Parish Records. Since there was no place in the software to put the dates for BANNS, it was decided they would have to be input as MARRIAGES. You'll not find BANNS dates and MARRIAGE dates like you find Births and Baptisms. Perhaps its happened with Patron Submissions, but I've not yet seen a Banns entry in the IGI. The volunteers had no choice but to do as they were instructed. It sure has caused a lot of researching problems over the years. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =======================

Thank you Meg for checking the James Harrower HUNTER 1843 marriage for me. I came across the Edinburgh marriage recently. The couple were already registered as being married in Torryburn, Fife a few days earlier and I wasn't looking for a second registration, of course. Seems they were married twice perhaps. The second marriage you found gave me three more bits of information on the family, plus yet another marriage of cousins. So, very grateful for your offer and time spent. Antonia (NZ)

Good evening Joanne, Bit of misapprehension here , methinks ! At the time we are discussing Croft-an-Righ was an area containing houses and at least two breweries rather than just the mansion house Here is a sample of sale of houses and events which took place at Croft-an-Righ The Scotsman of 11th March 1843 carried an advert Croft-an-Righ , Abbeyhill TO BE SOLD BY PUBLIC ROUP A Tenement of houses owned by Mrs Fairly and other tenants . 5th September 1846 Scotsman carried a birth notice At 42 Croft-an-Righ , Abbeyhill , to Mrs Thomas Stewart , a daughter 19th December 1855 Scotsman carried this report Isabella Dawson was charged with murdering her child in a house in Croft-an-Righ Wynd, Abbeyhill 2nd February 1861 Scotsman carried this advert Tenement at 6 Croft-an-Righ for sale at an upset price of £380 8th February 1862 Scotsman carried this advert Seven dwelling houses at Croft-an-Righ for sale at an upset price of £265 Trust this clears things up !! Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh Snip > This part of Edinburgh was quite a slum in Victorian times. My guess is that the house was divided & rooms were let out > > Joanne > > > > ________________________________

This part of Edinburgh was quite a slum in Victorian times.  My guess is that the house was divided & rooms were let out Joanne ________________________________ From: Meg Greenwood <scotquester@bartnet.net> To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 19:36:05 Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] St Cuthbert's marriages, Croft An Righ Amazing !  Pictures of this house and recalled history !  More than ever anticipated.  I hope Antonia in NZ sees this link, I'll make sure she gets a second note about it.  Would #6 have been one of the rooms, or perhaps a floor in the residence ?  Or might this refer to a separate residence further down the Wynd where Croft-an-Righ was the more notable landmark for an address ?  Ideas on this address with the word Wynd in it ?  MegG ============================== Joanne Lamb wrote: > Have a look at this link - it explains it all > > > http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/1_edin/1_edinburgh_history_-_recollections_edinburgh_old_town_croft-an-righ.htm > > Joanne    Edinburgh >  > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question about the marriage of William Gordon and Christina Murray in Edinburgh Saint Cuthberts, Dec 18, 1819, GROS Reference 685/02/0067. The groom is described as William Gordon Esq "of Drimarara". The place name is my best reading of the handwriting. Can anyone tell me what the actual place name is and where it's located? Glenn of Ontario, Canada