Thanks Toni and Mayina for your information. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Trena Sent: November 19, 2008 7:42 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] What's in a name - Marion ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacquie" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] What's in a name - Marion > The first researcher indicated Minnie was most common as a nickname for > forenames ending with "ina" You might want to check out the following: http://www.whatsinaname.net/ In my family, be they from the Shetland Islands, the NE of Scotland or Glasgow, any of our names ending in 'ina', seem to have become 'Ina'. Thomasina, Christina, Christian, Gillian, Georgina, Williamina, Robertina, Andrina & Alexandrina, to name a few with this ending. Some of these names have been carried into the last and present generations, then shortened to 'Ina'. To be honest, with several of them, I'd prefer the original if it were my name! We've a few ancestors whose names end in 'ine', but I'm not sure about them. I do have a cousin in Glasgow who named her daughter Katherine, but the wee tyke is called 'Ina' by the elders of the families. Toni
Thank you so much for all the responses. I haven't found birth/baptism information for my Marion yet and she apparently died between 1841 and 1851 in Edinburgh so no death registration. The 1841 census indicates that she wasn't born in Midlothian and was between 46-50 years old. Whether James Bell and Minnie Campbell are the same people as James Bell and Marion Campbell, I have evidence which shows connections between them (but nothing definitive yet), such as: 1. The OPR entry indicates Minnie Campbell's father was James Campbell of Dunbar - if my James and Marion followed naming tradition, their second son being named James matches with the name of Minnie's father. 2. The reference that James Campbell was from Dunbar - James and Marion Bell's eldest child (that I know of) was born in Dunbar in 1819. 3. James Bell was serving a Leith fort when he married Minnie Campbell - from about 1823 to his death in 1870, James Bell lived in Leith (more specifically listed as Water of Leith on a number of census and his death registration). 4. The occupation of James Bell listed on the muster rolls apparently matches the occupation I have for my James Bell (a gardener). Thanks again everyone. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Stevenson Sent: November 19, 2008 5:32 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] What's in a name - Marion Good evening Jacquie 19th C Scot's female "given names" are always a problem because of local usage/dialect . What's used in Sutherland is not necessarily the same for East Lothian I sought advice from NRH many years ago when first came across this problem with my own Newhaven family. They advised below for a local usage rule of thumb Minnie used with/for Mary, Mamie, May, Marion: Good luck ! Regards John John D. Stevenson Trinity Research Services, Edinburgh Scottish Maritime History Research Est 1989 johndee.ships@btinternet.com
I'm hoping that the experience of those on this list will help me with a name problem. My 3rd great-grandfather, James Bell was married to Marion Campbell. I have found an entry in the OPR regarding James Bell, Royal Artillery Driver and Minnie Campbell giving up their names for marriage on 21 May 1812. I've been in contact with two professional researchers and one says that in his experience Minnie was not a nickname for Marion while the other indicates that Minnie was a common pet name for Marion. The first researcher indicated Minnie was most common as a nickname for forenames ending with "ina" and he felt strongly that the couple in the aforementioned 1812 marriage were not the parents of my 2nd great-grandmother, Elizabeth while the second researcher seems to have found information in James Bell's military service which matches some of the information I have on my James (I haven't seen it yet but that was the implication in an email I received from the researcher). So my question is, could Minnie and Marion be the same person. What do you think? Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada
I have a question about the marriage of William Gordon and Christina Murray in Edinburgh Saint Cuthberts, Dec 18, 1819, ATTACHED, GROS Reference 685/02/0067. The groom is described as William Gordon Esq "of Drimarara". The place name is my best reading of the handwriting. Can anyone tell me what the actual place name is and where it is located? I would be glad to forward off line a copy of the original to anyone who is willing to try to read it for me. Glenn of Ontario, Canada
This marriage is on the St. Cuthbert's film I've been doing lookups in. Here are the details : Page dated at the top : 17 July, 1848 [caps mine] Alexander JOHNSTON, Wright residing in #4 Sciennes and Jane REID residing in #1 High Park both in this Parish, daughter of David REID, Wright there, have been 3 several times duly and regularly proclaimed in the Parish church of St. Cuthberts in order to Marriage and no objections offered.....Married [no further data entered, just 3 lines of blank space]. This lack of a marriage date indicates the marriage took place in another parish, it was also recorded here as Banns were proclaimed in both places. Sciennes is in the Edinburgh area, perhaps that was the actual site of the marriage ? Since there is no actual date for the marriage in these records, the transcribers used the date at the top of the page which was 17 July, 1848. Every page had a date, all being Sundays. These marriage banns [and marriage dates later added] were entered taking as many pages as needed [all with 17 July as a heading] until the next Sunday arrived and a new date was recorded, 24th July, 1848. Then more entries until the next Sunday, July 31 etc, etc. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ========================= 45plus commander wrote: > Hi Rhoda, ta for that I will check them out during the week. > Cheers colleen > ======================== > > From: CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 15 November, 2008 11:56:30 AM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] REID from Midlothian > > Colleen Scotlands People has the record of a marriage between Jane Reid and > Alexander Johnston in St Cuthbert's Parish, Edinburgh on 17/7/1848 (probably > date of proclamation of banns). St Cuthbert's Records are quite > informative - usually give name and occupation of wife's father. Rhoda > > >
Hi Rhoda, ta for that I will check them out during the week. Cheers colleen ________________________________ From: CandROverson <overson12@btinternet.com> To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 15 November, 2008 11:56:30 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] REID from Midlothian Colleen Scotlands People has the record of a marriage between Jane Reid and Alexander Johnston in St Cuthbert's Parish, Edinburgh on 17/7/1848 (probably date of proclamation of banns). St Cuthbert's Records are quite informative - usually give name and occupation of wife's father. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "45plus commander" <bananaschool711@yahoo.com.au> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] REID from Midlothian > Hi I have just recently discovered that two of my ancestors left Scotland > for New Zealand. > Peter REID b 1837 Cannongate and his sister Jane REID b. 1828 Cannongate, > their parents were David and Isabella REID. > > What I have been able to piece together through the various records is > that sometime between 1861 and 1871 they immigrated to New Zealand. Jane > somewhere along the line married Alexander Johns but I don't know if this > happened in Scotland or New Zealand. so far I have not been able to locate > any record of this marriage in the Scotlands People. > > What I would love is for someone to wave a magic wand and says "yep they > moved on such and such date on the such and such boat and went with other > family members" I realise this maybe impossible but I do hold hope. If > anyone is able to direct me where to look it would be wonderful. > > Its all exciting finding relatives moving around the world, so hopefully > someone would be able to help me track them down. > Cheers > Colleen > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! > http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
Colleen Scotlands People has the record of a marriage between Jane Reid and Alexander Johnston in St Cuthbert's Parish, Edinburgh on 17/7/1848 (probably date of proclamation of banns). St Cuthbert's Records are quite informative - usually give name and occupation of wife's father. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "45plus commander" <bananaschool711@yahoo.com.au> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:56 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] REID from Midlothian > Hi I have just recently discovered that two of my ancestors left Scotland > for New Zealand. > Peter REID b 1837 Cannongate and his sister Jane REID b. 1828 Cannongate, > their parents were David and Isabella REID. > > What I have been able to piece together through the various records is > that sometime between 1861 and 1871 they immigrated to New Zealand. Jane > somewhere along the line married Alexander Johns but I don't know if this > happened in Scotland or New Zealand. so far I have not been able to locate > any record of this marriage in the Scotlands People. > > What I would love is for someone to wave a magic wand and says "yep they > moved on such and such date on the such and such boat and went with other > family members" I realise this maybe impossible but I do hold hope. If > anyone is able to direct me where to look it would be wonderful. > > Its all exciting finding relatives moving around the world, so hopefully > someone would be able to help me track them down. > Cheers > Colleen > > > Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! > http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi I have just recently discovered that two of my ancestors left Scotland for New Zealand. Peter REID b 1837 Cannongate and his sister Jane REID b. 1828 Cannongate, their parents were David and Isabella REID. What I have been able to piece together through the various records is that sometime between 1861 and 1871 they immigrated to New Zealand. Jane somewhere along the line married Alexander Johns but I don't know if this happened in Scotland or New Zealand. so far I have not been able to locate any record of this marriage in the Scotlands People. What I would love is for someone to wave a magic wand and says "yep they moved on such and such date on the such and such boat and went with other family members" I realise this maybe impossible but I do hold hope. If anyone is able to direct me where to look it would be wonderful. Its all exciting finding relatives moving around the world, so hopefully someone would be able to help me track them down. Cheers Colleen Make the switch to the world's best email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail! http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail
OK - I found it. Huxton is a fermtoun at Coldingham in Berwickshire. The parish records go back only to 1690... which explains why I can't find a birth for Adam Kier or his (I think) sister Katherine. There are death records from 1694, so one day I may have a chance to see these and see if there were still any Kiers around. And taking a long shot I'll try to explore Berwickshire MIs, though it's pretty far back for that. However - that's outside Edinburgh so outside this list. Jenny >Dear all - I have an apprenticeship entry for Adam Kier or Keir, >apprenticed in 1662 with William Scott, baxter. Adam is described as >son to late Adam Keir, in Hukstoun. > >Can anybody shed light on 'Hukstoun'? > >(Just to add - Adam Keir became dean of the baxters and a church >elder... I've various bits of information about some of his children, >born in Edinburgh and some of them buried in Greyfriars, in case >anybody else is looking for Keirs. The Keirs seem to have been bakers >through the 18th century also.)
Hi List, I also have WILSON's from Leith. David WILSON b. 1815 Aberdour Fife d. Broad Wynd Leith, 1877 m. Janet Bett 1840 Fife Their children: Janet Cairns Wilson b. 1839 m. Peter McGibbon 1863 (Burntisland Fife) David Wilson b. 1841 Burntisland Fife m Mary Gilbert Gains 1866, Dock St, North Leith Robert Wilson b. 1846 Burntisland Fife, m. Eliza Given 1872 Markinch Fife Harriet Wilson b. 1848 Burntisland Fife m. (1) Archibald McIntosh 1871 Brook Wynd, Sth Leith (2) Thomas Hughes Glasgow 1891 George Wilson b. Burntisland 1857 m. Isabella Middlemass Taylor 1876 Summerfield, Leith. Sandy (Tasmania, Australia) ps my mother was a Margaret Wilson nee Masson
Dear all - I have an apprenticeship entry for Adam Kier or Keir, apprenticed in 1662 with William Scott, baxter. Adam is described as son to late Adam Keir, in Hukstoun. Can anybody shed light on 'Hukstoun'? (Just to add - Adam Keir became dean of the baxters and a church elder... I've various bits of information about some of his children, born in Edinburgh and some of them buried in Greyfriars, in case anybody else is looking for Keirs. The Keirs seem to have been bakers through the 18th century also.) Jenny
Hi Judy and Jacquie, Apologies are due, as I forgot you both sent me details of MW,and I didn't re-read my emails and me saying I had found her after I had paid online for the 1891 census. A senior moment I'm afraid (smile) and wasted money. Kind Regards, Brian.
Hi Jacquie & Judy, I think I have found her on the 1891 Scotland Census. 1891 Scotland Census about William Wilson Name:William Wilson Age:46 Estimated birth year:abt 1845 Relationship:Head Spouse's name :Margaret Gender:Male Where born:Edinburgh Registration Number:685/3 Registration district: Canongate Civil parish:Edinburgh Old Church County:Midlothian Address:4 Chessels Ct Occupation:Insurance Agent ED:89 Page:4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number:14a Line:11 Roll:CSSCT1891_349 Household Members: Name Age David Wilson 10 John Wilson 19 Margaret Wilson 45 Margaret Wilson 13 Robert Wilson 2 Thomas Wilson 7 William Wilson 46 William Wilson 22 It doesn't give mother's maiden name though - just like her death cert!!. Margaret Wilson is 13 giving a birth year of 1877/78. If she is 23 in 1901 that will match the birth year. Perhaps her wedding cert should be 22 instead of 26?. I'll now look for this family on scotlandspeople later and see what comes up. It's the nearest I've got to her so far. Thanks again to you both. Regards Brian.
Hi Jacquie, Thank you for helping and recent suggestions. I thought it was a mis-transcription too. The 2 does look like a 3 - as you say it's 23 But if she was 26 at marriage in 1900 then it should read 27. Robert is correct at 31 and son Robert is 2mths. I have that 1901 census from ScotlandsPeople. I also have Maggie's death cert, Jacquie. She died 1965 Western General Hospital, Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland. Parents: William WILSON ,insurance agent and Margaret WILSON, ms-blank. Cause of death, 1a,general neglect & hypothermia, 1b,senility. The informant is her son Robert (above), my late uncle. She is down as age 86, but I think this age was guessed at by my uncle, as there wasn't a lot of contact between them at this time. That would then make her birth 1879. I think it should have said 91 making birth 1874. I'm was tempted by the WILSON -MILLS family etc., but their Margaret WILSON was born 1878 South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland. It would be too easy a solution to go for them. I did this twice before on my WARE line who turned out the wrong families. I've now spent about £12 on ScotlandsPeople, looking mostly at Maggie/Margaret WILSON s, but not sure which one to pick. I was hoping perhaps some WILSONs out there might make a connection. I'll keep looking though. Kind Regards, Brian. Jacquie <jjjcmj@mts.net> wrote: The Ancestry entry for the 1901 census is a mistranscription. I did a search for Ware at ScotlandsPeople and there were three that showed up in the results with the GROS data information: Arthur Ware, age 31, Maggie Ware, age 23 and Robert Ware, age 0. Maggie being 23 matches up exactly with the 1881 and 1891 census information that Judy and I provided. The 1911 census won't be available for another 3 years or so I believe. Have you tried ordering a copy of Margaret Ware's death registration from ScotlandsPeople. Unless the informant didn't know the names of her parents, they should be listed on it. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada
The Ancestry entry for the 1901 census is a mistranscription. I did a search for Ware at ScotlandsPeople and there were three that showed up in the results with the GROS data information: Arthur Ware, age 31, Maggie Ware, age 23 and Robert Ware, age 0. Maggie being 23 matches up exactly with the 1881 and 1891 census information that Judy and I provided. The 1911 census won't be available for another 3 years or so I believe. Have you tried ordering a copy of Margaret Ware's death registration from ScotlandsPeople. Unless the informant didn't know the names of her parents, they should be listed on it. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brian ware Sent: November 11, 2008 4:54 AM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret WILSON I think her age should be 27. Arthur is right at 31. (Unless Maggie lied about her age at marriage in 1900?). Perhaps the 1911 census will say where they are. Is it available yet?. Regards Brian.
Hi Jacquie, Thanks for your 3 replies and the 2 copies you sent. I did think of Margaret Mills being Margaret Wilson's mother. It's working out the ages and years that have me confused. As I said to Judy, she may have lied about her age at marriage. But, the Arthur & Maggie fits in with what family details I have. I suppose it's just possible there may be two Arthur & Maggies. I'll keep all the info you sent and go through it again and re-check what details I have. Kind Regards, Brian. Jacquie <jjjcmj@mts.net> wrote: I'm not sure if my response on this has been lost in cyberspace or something since it hasn't appeared by so I'll repost what I had. Going off Judy's census information (which I agree is the same family), I found the following birth registration for William Wilson who is listed with the family on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census. Here's the information: William Wilson, born 13 Aug 1868 at Scotts Close, Dalkeith to William Wilson, cork cutter and Margaret Wilson, maiden surname Mills. Their marriage date is listed on the certificate as 11 Jul 1862 in Edinburgh. William Wilson, father, was the informant. Also, there is a death registration for Margaret Wilson, married to William Wilson, insurance agent, who died 16 Mar 1915 in North Leith. Her parents are listed as Alexander Mills, joiner (deceased) and Annie Mills, maiden surname Robertson (deceased). William Wilson, widower is the informant. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:03:15 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Brian, > >I have some Edinburgh WILSONs. Not sure if there is any link to >yours though. > >Kenneth McCrae WILSON, son of John WILSON and Alison THOMSON. b. ca. >1853. Married 8 Mar 1872 to Helen Henderson STEEDMAN, at 411 >Broughton St. Edinburgh. > >Their dau. Catherine WILSON, b. 20 Apr 1885 at 10 Barlston Place, >Edinburgh, married 15 Jul 1910 at 67 Merchiston Pl. Edinburgh, to >Donald McLEOD. > >regards, >Ian Martin Hi Ian, I suspect that we have been in contact in the past. Helen is a 3rd cousin twice removed to me. Your message gave me reason to look at the 1881 - 1901 census records where I found siblings for Catherine as shown below. In the 1901 census: Kenneth McCrae WILSON is on his own in Newcastle-on-Tyne, Kenneth jnr is an inmate in a Home For Waifs And Strays in Washington, Co Durham Regards David ********************************************************** Descendants of Kenneth McCrae Wilson 1 Kenneth McCrae Wilson b: Abt. 1853 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1910 .. +Helen Henderson Steedman b: 13 July 1855 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland m: 8 March 1871 40 Broughton Street, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1910 ...... 2 Alison Wilson b: Abt. 1875 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1901 ...... 2 Helen Henderson Wilson b: Abt. 1877 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1901 ...... 2 John Wilson b: Abt. 1879 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1901 ...... 2 Magdalene Wilson b: Abt. August 1880 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Aft. 1901 ...... 2 Euphemia Wilson b: Abt. 1884 Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Bet. 1891 - 1901 ...... 2 Catherine "Katie" Wilson b: 20 April 1885 9 Earlston Place, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 4 August 1965 Granby, QC, Canada .......... +Donald McLeod b: 12 November 1881 54 Broughton Street, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland m: 15 July 1910 67 Merchiston Avenue, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 6 July 1932 RI Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland ...... 2 Kenneth Wilson b: Abt. 1889 Portobello, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: Bet. 1891 - 1901
I noticed that too,Judy. I think her age should be 27. Arthur is right at 31. (Unless Maggie lied about her age at marriage in 1900?). Their son, my uncle Robert was b.Feb 1901 in Edinburgh. I have Robert's birth cert, parents Arthur & Maggie Ware (nee Wilson), married 19 Feb Birmingham. Arthur was also hotel porter at Robert's birth. So I would say they are the same family. Also, my aunt Evelyn b.1905 Edinburgh and father William b.1911 Blackpool, have parents Arthur & Maggie Ware (nee Wilson),married 19 Feb Birmingham. Perhaps the 1911 census will say where they are. Is it available yet?. Regards Brian. judy olsen <copywriter@tesco.net> wrote: Hang on, the Ancestry index for 1901 has Maggie WARE aged 35, born c1866. Is that a mistranscription? It doesnt fit with the marriage lines obviously and provides fewer possibles in the censuses. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hang on, the Ancestry index for 1901 has Maggie WARE aged 35, born c1866. Is that a mistranscription? It doesnt fit with the marriage lines obviously and provides fewer possibles in the censuses. Judy
I'm not sure if my response on this has been lost in cyberspace or something since it hasn't appeared by so I'll repost what I had. Going off Judy's census information (which I agree is the same family), I found the following birth registration for William Wilson who is listed with the family on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census. Here's the information: William Wilson, born 13 Aug 1868 at Scotts Close, Dalkeith to William Wilson, cork cutter and Margaret Wilson, maiden surname Mills. Their marriage date is listed on the certificate as 11 Jul 1862 in Edinburgh. William Wilson, father, was the informant. Also, there is a death registration for Margaret Wilson, married to William Wilson, insurance agent, who died 16 Mar 1915 in North Leith. Her parents are listed as Alexander Mills, joiner (deceased) and Annie Mills, maiden surname Robertson (deceased). William Wilson, widower is the informant. Jacquie Winnipeg, MB Canada