Hello Edinburgh Listers, In my wife's Gilfillan family, William TURNBULL married Georgina GILFILLAN on 31 Jan 1913 in Leith. They and their daughter Margaret emigrated to Canada in 1923 where sadly, Georgina died only 5 weeks after their arrival, in Chatham, Ontario. I have been trying to trace the daughter Margaret TURNBULL and various records found have birth year as 1915 or 1916, one record (a border crossing from Canada to U.S.A) being birthdate 14 May 1915. I would be grateful if anyone going to New Register House in Edinburgh would please look for Margaret's birth, which could be in Leith, Midlothian, or in Carluke or Glasgow, both in Lanarkshire. Best Wishes to All for a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year, when it comes! John Johnston Gisborne New Zealand

Hello John, There are 19 Margaret Turnbull's born in Scotland between 1915 and 1916 and none are available on line at Scotlands People. Given Margaret's mothers maiden name Gilfillan there is a possible birth - 1915 - TURNBULL - MARGARET D GILF born in Carluke Lanark GROS Data Ref: 629/00 0242 Hope this is of some help Kind Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & John Johnston" <jeanjohn@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:44 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret TURNBULL, born about 1915 > > Hello Edinburgh Listers, > > In my wife's Gilfillan family, William TURNBULL married Georgina GILFILLAN > on 31 Jan 1913 in Leith. They and their daughter Margaret emigrated to > Canada in 1923 where sadly, Georgina died only 5 weeks after their > arrival, > in Chatham, Ontario. > > I have been trying to trace the daughter Margaret TURNBULL and various > records found have birth year as 1915 or 1916, one record (a border > crossing > from Canada to U.S.A) being birthdate 14 May 1915. > > I would be grateful if anyone going to New Register House in Edinburgh > would > please look for Margaret's birth, which could be in Leith, Midlothian, or > in > Carluke or Glasgow, both in Lanarkshire. > > Best Wishes to All for a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year, when it > comes! > > John Johnston > Gisborne > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, All B/M/D's online @ www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk £6.00 for 30 credits Good Luck Anne Edinburgh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean & John Johnston" <jeanjohn@xtra.co.nz> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:44 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret TURNBULL, born about 1915 > Hello Edinburgh Listers, > > In my wife's Gilfillan family, William TURNBULL married Georgina GILFILLAN > on 31 Jan 1913 in Leith. They and their daughter Margaret emigrated to > Canada in 1923 where sadly, Georgina died only 5 weeks after their > arrival, > in Chatham, Ontario. > > I have been trying to trace the daughter Margaret TURNBULL and various > records found have birth year as 1915 or 1916, one record (a border > crossing > from Canada to U.S.A) being birthdate 14 May 1915. > > I would be grateful if anyone going to New Register House in Edinburgh > would > please look for Margaret's birth, which could be in Leith, Midlothian, or > in > Carluke or Glasgow, both in Lanarkshire. > > Best Wishes to All for a Merry Christmas and a Good New Year, when it > comes! > > John Johnston > Gisborne > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1854 - Release Date: > 17/12/2008 19:21 > >

Images from 1915 can't be viewed online. John would have to order the registration for £10. Jacquie -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aw011a7840 Sent: December 19, 2008 2:25 AM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Margaret TURNBULL, born about 1915 John, All B/M/D's online @ www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk £6.00 for 30 credits Good Luck Anne Edinburgh

Roger - try www.ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger Townsend" <rodger@rodgertownsend.wanadoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Hoffmeyer > Please could someone tell me the christian name of a Hoffmeyer who died in > Scotland in 2004. Other references to the Hoffmeyer family would be of > interest. > Thanks > Roger Townsend > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1847 - Release Date: > 13/12/2008 16:56 > >

Please could someone tell me the christian name of a Hoffmeyer who died in Scotland in 2004. Other references to the Hoffmeyer family would be of interest. Thanks Roger Townsend

Hi Bev Did Ethel have a middle name? There are 5 marriages on the Scotlands People index for an Ethel Allan (not Allen) in Scotland between 1900 and 1932. I think Allan is the Scottish version of Allen. Ethil Emily Allan m John Tait Watling in Edinburgh in 1916. Ethil Maree Allan m Harry Cummings Gordon in Aberdeen in 1919 Ethel Jane Allan m John Cochrane in Edinburgh in 1923. Ethel Lillian Allan m Alexander Chalmers in Bellshill, Lanarkshire in 1923 Ethil Allan m James Morrison in Aberdeen in 1931. There are 3 marriages for a Harold Allen (not Allan) between 1855 and 1932. all after 1910. They are: Harold Allen m Annie Jeffrey in Dunoon in 1915 Harold Herbert Allen m Margaret Stewart in Pollockshields, Glasgow in 1921 Harold Allen m Agnes Herbison in Glasgow in 1925. There are 5 marriages for a Mabel - 3 for an Allan and 2 for an Allen: Mabel Janey Allan m Thomas Smith in Aberdeen in 1915 Mabel Weston Allan m George Hastings in Edinburgh in 1922 Mabel Rose Allen m Herbert Pettit in Edinburgh in 1926 Mabel Barbara Allan m George Walker in Aberdeen in 1931 Mabel Dorothy Allen m an anonymous spouse in Cummertrees, Dumfries in 1931 There were 20 marriages registered for a Nellie Allan (not Allen) between 1905 and 1932 - too many to list here. If you think any of these sound hopeful, you would be able to view the image of the marriage certificate on Scotlands People, the Scottish GRO website, but it will cost you. A minimum payment of £6 will give you 30 credits of which 1 credit will allow you to see the results of a search, and a further 5 credits to view an image. It pays to be sure before you view. See: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk for further details about what is available on the site. Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Harsh" <bevni@tesco.net> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:28 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] ALLEN > Hello List > > Has anyone a marriage for any of the following people: > > Mabel ALLEN born 1881 > Harold ALLEN born 1882 > Ethel ALLEN born 1883 > Nellie ALLEN born 1887 > > They are four of the children of Henry ALLEN who was a wireworker. They > were from Bristol, but had also lived in London, and were in Edinburgh in > 1901 - so the marriages could have been "anywhere"! > > I have the marriage of the other daughter in Bristol in 1912, and there is > a > possible marriage for Ethel in Cardiff the same year, think I will have to > send for certifcate to see if that is her! > > As I know nothing about Scottish research apart from that as far as I know > there is no equivalent online to FreeBMD, could someone please tell me if > the indexes are in a similar format? I believe these can be searched in > person in Edinburgh? > > Thanks > > Bev > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List Has anyone a marriage for any of the following people: Mabel ALLEN born 1881 Harold ALLEN born 1882 Ethel ALLEN born 1883 Nellie ALLEN born 1887 They are four of the children of Henry ALLEN who was a wireworker. They were from Bristol, but had also lived in London, and were in Edinburgh in 1901 - so the marriages could have been "anywhere"! I have the marriage of the other daughter in Bristol in 1912, and there is a possible marriage for Ethel in Cardiff the same year, think I will have to send for certifcate to see if that is her! As I know nothing about Scottish research apart from that as far as I know there is no equivalent online to FreeBMD, could someone please tell me if the indexes are in a similar format? I believe these can be searched in person in Edinburgh? Thanks Bev

Hi Paul George Chamber's birth is on the index of birth registrations on Scotlands People. The names of his parents (including mother's maiden name) should be on the birth certificate. Unfortunately the image of the certificate will not be online at Scotlands People until 2011 (at the moment images are available for births up to 1906). But you could order the certificate online via Scotlands People for £10. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Regards Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Hood" <PaulHood@newmanandbond.co.uk> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 12:41 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Leith [Scanned] > Hi All > I am looking for CHAMBERS family of Leith, all I have is George CHAMBERS > b 1909 Leith married Vera INGMAN in Barnsley S Yorks in 1943. > Would be very interested in any information that might fit in with my > CHAMBERS. > Many thanks > Paul > > > <mailto:paulhood@newmanandbond.co.uk> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All I am looking for CHAMBERS family of Leith, all I have is George CHAMBERS b 1909 Leith married Vera INGMAN in Barnsley S Yorks in 1943. Would be very interested in any information that might fit in with my CHAMBERS. Many thanks Paul <mailto:paulhood@newmanandbond.co.uk>

Paul You may wish to post a request for information to _www.oldleither.com_ (http://www.oldleither.com) . They have a looking for old aquaintances site. Tom In a message dated 12/9/2008 4:41:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, PaulHood@newmanandbond.co.uk writes: Hi All I am looking for CHAMBERS family of Leith, all I have is George CHAMBERS b 1909 Leith married Vera INGMAN in Barnsley S Yorks in 1943. Would be very interested in any information that might fit in with my CHAMBERS. Many thanks Paul <mailto:paulhood@newmanandbond.co.uk> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

Look here for a description of the building. http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurelinks287.html This suggests no 8 and 10 are in the same style and no 8 is shown here: http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_street_m/0_street_views_- _nicolson_street.htm Its quite hard to tell from that where no8 ends and no10 begins- the entrances to the upper floors may be side by side. But unless there has been renumbering, this is what the buildings in question look like. Much earlier than one might have thought - I would have said no earlier than 1830s to look at them, and because of the area, but in fact they are 18thC - the pediment would be a clue I suppose. I think this pic is the same area and shows your tenement. http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/pls/portal/canmore.newcandig_p_coll_details? p_arcnumlink=1098197 hope this helps. Judy On 4 Dec 2008, at 18:10, Bev Harsh wrote: > Hello list! > > I have just discovered that my Bristol-born ALLEN family were > living in > Edinburgh in 1901. > > 10 Nicolson Street > > Henry John Allen 46 > Elizabeth Allen 41 > Harold Allen 19 > Ethel Allen 17 > Nellie Allen 15 > Mildred Allen 10 > > Oldest daughter Mabel was a cook in another household. > > Has anyone access to a street directory of the period, to narrow > down when > they moved to Edinburgh (lived in London in 1891 sharing a house with > Henry's brother, my greatgrandfather)? > > Mildred married in Bristol in 1912, and I have found a possible > marriage for > Ethel in Cardiff the same year - which of course does not mean that > either > was necessarily living with her parents at the time!! > > Has anyone any later information on the rest of the family? > > Or has anyone found someone living in or near 10 Nicolson Street in > 1901, > who could have known the family? > > Or has anyone information on the tenement buildings of Nicolson > Street at > the time? I have Googled but not come up with anything for that > period. > > Thanks!! > > Bev > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

see Multimap link below for the modern day Nicholson Street in Edinburgh: http://www.multimap.com/maps/?qs=nicholson+street%2C+edinburgh&countryCode=GB Cheers Richard Carlaw > From: bevni@tesco.net > To: SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:10:56 +0000 > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] ALLEN, Nicolson Street > > Hello list! > > I have just discovered that my Bristol-born ALLEN family were living in > Edinburgh in 1901. > > 10 Nicolson Street > > Henry John Allen 46 > Elizabeth Allen 41 > Harold Allen 19 > Ethel Allen 17 > Nellie Allen 15 > Mildred Allen 10 > _________________________________________________________________ Get the next generation of Free Windows Live Services http://get.live.com

Hello list! I have just discovered that my Bristol-born ALLEN family were living in Edinburgh in 1901. 10 Nicolson Street Henry John Allen 46 Elizabeth Allen 41 Harold Allen 19 Ethel Allen 17 Nellie Allen 15 Mildred Allen 10 Oldest daughter Mabel was a cook in another household. Has anyone access to a street directory of the period, to narrow down when they moved to Edinburgh (lived in London in 1891 sharing a house with Henry's brother, my greatgrandfather)? Mildred married in Bristol in 1912, and I have found a possible marriage for Ethel in Cardiff the same year - which of course does not mean that either was necessarily living with her parents at the time!! Has anyone any later information on the rest of the family? Or has anyone found someone living in or near 10 Nicolson Street in 1901, who could have known the family? Or has anyone information on the tenement buildings of Nicolson Street at the time? I have Googled but not come up with anything for that period. Thanks!! Bev

Hi Judy, I am going through a long process of elimination with William Rutherfords and Isabella Rutherfords. I didn't think this William was mine, but I was intrigued by the transcription of his occupation on Ancestry. I also saw the one in England and thought he could be the same person. Thanks for your help. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <copywriter@tesco.net> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] HELP WITH OCCUPATION ON 1871 CENSUS >I dont think this is the same person. > > The Ancestry entry you quote looks as if it could be "deputy > inspector general of hospitals.....". This seems to be mainly an army > job title. There is no matching person in the 1861 Scotland census, > but in the 1861 census there is a lodger in High St Portsmouth who > fits - William RUTHERFORD age 45 born Ireland (unmarried). > > The occupation on the image is > > Dy Inspr Genl of Hospl Army (with appropriate superscription and points) > > The Deputy Inspector would be a medical doctor. > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > On 25 Nov 2008, at 20:59, pneanne wrote: > >> After many years of research, I am still no nearer finding my great >> grandmother Isabella Rutherford, born about 1846 Edinburgh or >> Paisley. I am eagerly awaiting the release next year of the 1911 >> Census for Preston, Lancashire, in the hope that her place of birth >> is more detailed. >> >> On her marriage certificate in Wales in 1869, where she was in >> lodgings, her father is shown as William Rutherford, coachman. >> >> Is there anyone with a copy of the 1871 Census for Edinburgh, who >> would kindly check an occupation for me and also if he is married, >> single or widowed. >> >> On Ancestry, the occupation has been translated as: >> >> Depatz Tacpector General Of Hospital Crowy Allen Cest Ab L >> >> William Rutherford born about 1816 Ireland. He is a lodger at 102 >> Northern Club, Edinburgh. >> >> Roll CSSCT1871_159 >> >> Registration No. 685/2 >> >> ED: 7 >> >> Household Schedule 62 >> >> Line 13 >> >> Thank you. >> >> Anne (Bolton, Lancashire) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

please write to register please write to Register House EDINBURGH THEY HAVE ALL THE CENCUS RECORDA GOOD LUCK ----- Original Message ----- From: <sct-edinburgh-request@rootsweb.com> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 3:02 AM Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 3, Issue 237 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HELP WITH OCCUPATION ON 1871 CENSUS (pneanne) > 2. Re: HELP WITH OCCUPATION ON 1871 CENSUS (judy olsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:59:50 -0000 > From: "pneanne" <pne.anne@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] HELP WITH OCCUPATION ON 1871 CENSUS > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D76E359548964DD482E34DE429E7D612@Anne> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > After many years of research, I am still no nearer finding my great > grandmother Isabella Rutherford, born about 1846 Edinburgh or Paisley. I > am eagerly awaiting the release next year of the 1911 Census for Preston, > Lancashire, in the hope that her place of birth is more detailed. > > On her marriage certificate in Wales in 1869, where she was in lodgings, > her father is shown as William Rutherford, coachman. > > Is there anyone with a copy of the 1871 Census for Edinburgh, who would > kindly check an occupation for me and also if he is married, single or > widowed. > > On Ancestry, the occupation has been translated as: > > Depatz Tacpector General Of Hospital Crowy Allen Cest Ab L > > William Rutherford born about 1816 Ireland. He is a lodger at 102 > Northern Club, Edinburgh. > > Roll CSSCT1871_159 > > Registration No. 685/2 > > ED: 7 > > Household Schedule 62 > > Line 13 > > Thank you. > > Anne (Bolton, Lancashire) > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:29:43 +0000 > From: judy olsen <copywriter@tesco.net> > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] HELP WITH OCCUPATION ON 1871 CENSUS > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9A866893-8525-4D0D-AB55-91ED859415A3@tesco.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I dont think this is the same person. > > The Ancestry entry you quote looks as if it could be "deputy > inspector general of hospitals.....". This seems to be mainly an army > job title. There is no matching person in the 1861 Scotland census, > but in the 1861 census there is a lodger in High St Portsmouth who > fits - William RUTHERFORD age 45 born Ireland (unmarried). > > The occupation on the image is > > Dy Inspr Genl of Hospl Army (with appropriate superscription and points) > > The Deputy Inspector would be a medical doctor. > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > On 25 Nov 2008, at 20:59, pneanne wrote: > >> After many years of research, I am still no nearer finding my great >> grandmother Isabella Rutherford, born about 1846 Edinburgh or >> Paisley. I am eagerly awaiting the release next year of the 1911 >> Census for Preston, Lancashire, in the hope that her place of birth >> is more detailed. >> >> On her marriage certificate in Wales in 1869, where she was in >> lodgings, her father is shown as William Rutherford, coachman. >> >> Is there anyone with a copy of the 1871 Census for Edinburgh, who >> would kindly check an occupation for me and also if he is married, >> single or widowed. >> >> On Ancestry, the occupation has been translated as: >> >> Depatz Tacpector General Of Hospital Crowy Allen Cest Ab L >> >> William Rutherford born about 1816 Ireland. He is a lodger at 102 >> Northern Club, Edinburgh. >> >> Roll CSSCT1871_159 >> >> Registration No. 685/2 >> >> ED: 7 >> >> Household Schedule 62 >> >> Line 13 >> >> Thank you. >> >> Anne (Bolton, Lancashire) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-EDINBURGH list administrator, send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-EDINBURGH mailing list, send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 3, Issue 237 > *********************************************

I dont think this is the same person. The Ancestry entry you quote looks as if it could be "deputy inspector general of hospitals.....". This seems to be mainly an army job title. There is no matching person in the 1861 Scotland census, but in the 1861 census there is a lodger in High St Portsmouth who fits - William RUTHERFORD age 45 born Ireland (unmarried). The occupation on the image is Dy Inspr Genl of Hospl Army (with appropriate superscription and points) The Deputy Inspector would be a medical doctor. Judy On 25 Nov 2008, at 20:59, pneanne wrote: > After many years of research, I am still no nearer finding my great > grandmother Isabella Rutherford, born about 1846 Edinburgh or > Paisley. I am eagerly awaiting the release next year of the 1911 > Census for Preston, Lancashire, in the hope that her place of birth > is more detailed. > > On her marriage certificate in Wales in 1869, where she was in > lodgings, her father is shown as William Rutherford, coachman. > > Is there anyone with a copy of the 1871 Census for Edinburgh, who > would kindly check an occupation for me and also if he is married, > single or widowed. > > On Ancestry, the occupation has been translated as: > > Depatz Tacpector General Of Hospital Crowy Allen Cest Ab L > > William Rutherford born about 1816 Ireland. He is a lodger at 102 > Northern Club, Edinburgh. > > Roll CSSCT1871_159 > > Registration No. 685/2 > > ED: 7 > > Household Schedule 62 > > Line 13 > > Thank you. > > Anne (Bolton, Lancashire) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

After many years of research, I am still no nearer finding my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford, born about 1846 Edinburgh or Paisley. I am eagerly awaiting the release next year of the 1911 Census for Preston, Lancashire, in the hope that her place of birth is more detailed. On her marriage certificate in Wales in 1869, where she was in lodgings, her father is shown as William Rutherford, coachman. Is there anyone with a copy of the 1871 Census for Edinburgh, who would kindly check an occupation for me and also if he is married, single or widowed. On Ancestry, the occupation has been translated as: Depatz Tacpector General Of Hospital Crowy Allen Cest Ab L William Rutherford born about 1816 Ireland. He is a lodger at 102 Northern Club, Edinburgh. Roll CSSCT1871_159 Registration No. 685/2 ED: 7 Household Schedule 62 Line 13 Thank you. Anne (Bolton, Lancashire)

Don't know Ron I wasn't around then ! When I worked in the Ministry of Pensions in 1958 in Glasgow I was astounded by the number of my neighbours who were unmarried but living together. I had signed the secrecy act so kept my mouth shut. They were all sort of ordinary if not downright ugly and unwholesome.. I thought 'living in sin" was for the young, wild and gorgeous". There we are. Ella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Brown" <suenron@southwest.com.au> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname Hi John. If my great grandmother was still married at the time could she simply walk away from that marriage and enter one of the other forms of marriage in Scotland at the time? Was divorce common then? Ron -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J D Dods Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 2:08 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname Hi Ron, a suggestion. Rather than trying to prove the Georgina Gillespie you found in 1901 was yours, have you tried to disprove it? Also remember "marriage by repute" and "marriage by declearation" were legal forms of marriage in Scotland at this time and neither required to be registered. cheers John Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FENTON in Edinbugh FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal MCLEAN in Argyllshire RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian WATSON in Brantford & Barrie, Ontario. WEIR in Argyllshire,Lanarkshie WILLIAMSON in Edinburgh & North Berwick ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Brown <suenron@southwest.com.au> To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 24 November, 2008 5:34:48 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname Hi Ella, I wish Ella! I have not been able to find a marriage for Gillespie & Burgess. On her death Registration from ScotlandsPeople it lists her given name as Georgina Ballantyne Gillespie, underneath in brackets it says "otherwise Burgess" widow of John Francis Burgess. I'm not sure if I'm being too pedantic but id hate to be going down the wrong path. Thanks Ron -----Original Message----- From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ella Ross Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 1:14 PM To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname Hi Ron I wouldn't be too bothered about the age on the 1901 census being out by 3 years. It could be a transcription error or deliberate on the part of the person involved. If it was someone else who filled in the census they may have been mistaken about her exact age. Anything on a death certificate has been given by the informant. They may ar may not have deliberately omitted some details. Have you found a marriage certificate for her with Burgess and with Gillespie? Cheers Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Brown" <suenron@southwest.com.au> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > Hi Jacquie, I do have that death registration for my great grandmother > thanks. The problem I have is trying to prove that it is she who is on the > 1901 census living with a Joseph Gillespie in North Leith. All the info on > the census looks good except Georgina's age is out by 3 years > > If she had left her first husband John Francis Burgess and lived with > Joseph > Gillespie around 1900 would it have been normal to list on her death > registration in 1951 as 'widow of John Francis Burgess'. > > Thanks > Ron > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacquie > Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 11:24 AM > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > > At ScotlandsPeople there is a death registration for a Georgina Gillespie, > other surnames Burges and > Spence dated 1951 in Leith. She was 81. You can view the image at the > site. > > Jacquie > Winnipeg, MB > Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Ron Brown > Sent: November 23, 2008 7:51 PM > To: Edinburgh email list > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > > Hello, > > I believe my great grandmother Georgina Ballantyne Spence/Burgess may have > lived with a man named Joseph Gillespie in North Leith around 1900. 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Hi Ron Further to your email and a message from Jacquie of Winnipeg. Looks like she wasn't officially married to Joseph Gillespie. I have had a quick look in www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and there is a result for a marriage between 1890and 1895 for a John Burgess and a Georgina Spence. I'd have a look at that certificate. In addition "common Law" marriage was not uncommon. See below. Until recently in Scotland, there was a form of common law marriage called 'marriage by cohabitation with habit and repute'. The theory behind this law was that if a man and woman cohabited as husband and wife in Scotland for sufficient time and were generally held and reputed to be husband and wife and were free to marry each other, they would be presumed to have consented to marry each other and if this presumption was not overturned, they would be considered to be legally married. This form of common law marriage has now been abolished by the Family Law (Scotland) Act 2006 which came into force on 4 May 2006. Cheers Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Brown" <suenron@southwest.com.au> To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > Hi Ella, > > I wish Ella! I have not been able to find a marriage for Gillespie & > Burgess. On her death Registration from ScotlandsPeople it lists her given > name as Georgina Ballantyne Gillespie, underneath in brackets it says > "otherwise Burgess" widow of John Francis Burgess. > > I'm not sure if I'm being too pedantic but id hate to be going down the > wrong path. > > Thanks > Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ella Ross > Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 1:14 PM > To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > > Hi Ron > I wouldn't be too bothered about the age on the 1901 census being out by 3 > years. It could be a transcription error or deliberate on the part of the > person involved. If it was someone else who filled in the census they may > have been mistaken about her exact age. > > Anything on a death certificate has been given by the informant. They may > ar may not have deliberately omitted some details. > > Have you found a marriage certificate for her with Burgess and with > Gillespie? > > Cheers > Ella Ross > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Brown" <suenron@southwest.com.au> > To: <sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname > > >> Hi Jacquie, I do have that death registration for my great grandmother >> thanks. The problem I have is trying to prove that it is she who is on >> the >> 1901 census living with a Joseph Gillespie in North Leith. All the info >> on >> the census looks good except Georgina's age is out by 3 years >> >> If she had left her first husband John Francis Burgess and lived with >> Joseph >> Gillespie around 1900 would it have been normal to list on her death >> registration in 1951 as 'widow of John Francis Burgess'. >> >> Thanks >> Ron >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacquie >> Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 11:24 AM >> To: sct-edinburgh@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname >> >> At ScotlandsPeople there is a death registration for a Georgina >> Gillespie, >> other surnames Burges and >> Spence dated 1951 in Leith. She was 81. You can view the image at the >> site. >> >> Jacquie >> Winnipeg, MB >> Canada >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:sct-edinburgh-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Ron Brown >> Sent: November 23, 2008 7:51 PM >> To: Edinburgh email list >> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Gillespie surname >> >> Hello, >> >> I believe my great grandmother Georgina Ballantyne Spence/Burgess may >> have >> lived with a man named Joseph Gillespie in North Leith around 1900. I >> have >> located a similar family on the 1901 census but need to prove correct or >> otherwise. >> >> Thanks >> >> Ron >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-EDINBURGH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message