Hi Edinburgh listers, I am a new member (from Canada) just beginning my research into the James Jenkinson family of Edinburgh. Jenkinson's wife was Margaret, a daughter of Charles Lauder, a prominent jeweller in the city, and his wife Margaret. (Margaret had at least 6 sisters and two brothers.) James Jenkinson, my great grandfather, died prematurely of heart disease. According to family lore, his funeral occurred on February 15, 1912. His youngest daughter Daisy, my grandmother, celebrated her 96th birthday yesterday. I would like to begin my research by finding a document pertaining to James Jenkinson's death. Where do I write for vital records in Edinburgh? Thanks, Tim Lowrey Ontario, Canada

Hi all, I'm lookoing for a list of all of the Clan MacInsoh Chieftans. It would also be very helpful to have a list of each of their family. Has anyone come across these records? I'm trying to verify and most likely correct the account stated below. [ref: "Memoir of the Families of M'Combie and Thoms", by William M'Combie Smith, 1890] Chapter 1; The founder of the Clan M'Intosh was Shaw M'Duff, second son of the fifth Earl of Fife, who distinguished himself in quelling a rebellion among the Moray tribes, against Malcolm IV, about the years 1161-63, and whose descendants thenceforward assumed the name M'Intosh (Mac-an-Toiseach) son of the foremost or chief man. The Clan M'Intosh, of which the family of M'Combie is a branch, was in turn a branch of the still older Clan Chattan, the derivation of which is uncertain. The famous fight on the North Inch of Perth, in 1396, in the reign of Robert III, between the Clan Chattan and Clan Quhele, was fought by the ancestors of present M'Intoshes, M'Phersons, and Camerons. >From Angus Og, son of Angus, the sixth chief of the Clan M'Intosh, who died in 1345, were descended the M'Intoshes of Glen Tilt, who afterwards settled at Dalmunzie in Glenshee. It was probably owing to the settlement of this branch of the M'Intoshes in Glenshee, that the descendants of Adam M'William(1) of Garvamore, in Badenoch, a natural son of William(2), the seventh chief, also settled in Glenshee, Strathardle, and Glenisla. This Adam M'Intosh son of William (another source claims Adam was son of Iain, son of Thomas) , the seventh chief of the Clan M'Intosh, was the founder of that branch of the clan which afterwards came to be known by the surname of M'Thomas (son of Thomas), which in time became corrupted into M'Thomie, M'Homie, M'Omie, M'Comie, and laterly M'Combie, M'Comb and Thoms. The surname M'Intosh was used interchangeably with M'Comie until the settlement in Aberdeenshire (c1800). The family of M'Comie took its rise therefore, as a separate and distinct branch of the Clan M'Intosh in the latter half of the fourteenth century. In the original feu-charter, of date 7th September 1568, the M'Combies are described as being "ab antiquo" tenants and possesors of Finnegand in Glenshee. APPENDIX: (1) I own that John M'Intoshe of Forter, commonly called M'Comie, was a brave a loyall gentleman, and behaved very worthily in the King's service. But he needs not be excepted in this place; his predecessor, as he told me and others severall tymes, was a son of the House of Garvamore in Badenock, where never a M'Intoshe treaded till this our age otherwise than as a guest or passenger; so was really ____rsone, as all the oy(r) M'Intoshes in the south are, _____ by ane unacceptable mistake they bear yr name _____ our nature, and constantly from age to age loved us better than them. But if he had been a M'Intoshe as he was called, he was neither at Glencolva nor at Blaire Castle, or the seidge of Lethen and Burgie, consequently that part of the history that concerns the servieces of the Catana tribus under the reign of King Charles the first, cannot at all be ascribed to the M'Intoshes, nor the rescue of Queen Mary, more than this, except that in contradiction to common sense and reason, and the vbouched testimonies of unexceptible witnesses, their bold assertion pass for a sufficient proofe." - From Sir Aeneas M'Pherson of Invereshire's MS. Memorial to the Laird of Cluny in Badenock, penes M'Pherson of Cluny, c1684. Of the elder son of William, seventh laird of M'Intosh, Adam M'William at first settle in Atholl, but afterwards removed to Garvamore in Badenagh; and from him are descended the MacIntoshes of Glenshee, Strathairdle, and Glenisla. (2) "Hic Gulielmus crat supra communem popularem staturam procerus robustus sed minime camosus (?); eratque suae familiae primus qui Clan Chattanorum ducem subscripsit." - From "De Origine et Incrumento Makintoshiorum Epitome." The Latin History of the M'Intoshes, preserved in MS, in the Advocates' Library at Edinburgh. QUESTIONS: 1) I was wondering if this account seem plausable and correct? 2) I beleive that King Malcom III was the ruler at the time of the Moray tribe battle? 2) Is there more known about Shaw M'Duff? Is there a list of chieftans up to William M'Iintosh, seventh chieftan? (I've read the history on your website...I really like reading these old histories - thank you)? 3) My references above also goes on to describe castle ruins at Glenilsa and Finnegand, described at the time (c1890) as completely in ruin, but remaining stones marked with ancient Celtic runes and symbols, which by your website account and other histories may have been King Malcolm's Scots Parliment in Finnegand?

Thanks James. Robina. ----- Original Message ----- From: j.motion <j.motion@tinyonline.co.uk> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [EDB] STREET NAMES: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robinasneddon > To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: 15 February 2001 10:43 > Subject: [EDB] STREET NAMES: > > > my ggrandfathers address on his marriage certificate was either Clapperton or Blapperton Place, can anyone tell me where about this is or was in Edinburgh. > > Robina, Bris. Aus > > > Hi Robina, > > There's a Clapperton Place at Lower London Road, which is just off London Road itself. > Close by is Meadowbank Stadium. > > James Motion > Scotland. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.227 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 2001-01-17 > > > ==== SCT-EDINBURGH Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from list mode, send a new email to sct-edinburgh-l-request@rootsweb.com and put the word unsubscribe in the message box. Do not add any other words, text, or email addresses to the message. You will receive an email confirmation notice telling you that you are no longer on the mail list. > >

my ggrandfathers address on his marriage certificate was either Clapperton or Blapperton Place, can anyone tell me where about this is or was in Edinburgh. Robina, Bris. Aus

I recently discovered on the wonderful Corstorphine site that there was a David Baillie, Grocer and Spirit Merchant, listed in Colinton in the 1842-43 Directory. I believe this to be my g-g-g-grandfather, whom I'd previously traced only to the Calton area of Edinburgh in the 1820s-1830s. Is there any kind soul with access who could check the Colinton entry for an exact address? (Even, if there's anyone kind enough and with access to enough editions, in other years around then? He was at 10 Calton Hill in 1835 and he's supposed to have died in 1846, though since it was of cholera, I think it might have been a couple of years later when I think there was an epidemic.) If someone could do that, I'd be eternally grateful. Alan Baillie (in Luxembourg)

----- Original Message ----- From: robinasneddon To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 15 February 2001 10:43 Subject: [EDB] STREET NAMES: my ggrandfathers address on his marriage certificate was either Clapperton or Blapperton Place, can anyone tell me where about this is or was in Edinburgh. Robina, Bris. Aus Hi Robina, There's a Clapperton Place at Lower London Road, which is just off London Road itself. Close by is Meadowbank Stadium. James Motion Scotland. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.227 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 2001-01-17

HI could SKS check the 1871 st cuthberts Edinburgh census. Address. 27 riego street LITHGOW George, lithgow mary ann, Isabella aged 17 catherine (kate) 5 peter 11 Jane 10 alison 13 mary ann (annie) 7 James 3 looking mostly info on George and mary as they both seem to be gone in 1881 census . thank you JANETTE

Hello Everyone I am researching the following surnames in and around Edinburgh. JEFFREY WATT WHITE McINTYRE SWORD Anyone with any information on these names please contact me. Liz Jeffrey Nottingham

Hi listers For those of you searching in Corstorphine and surrounding area, I have added the Slater's Commercial Directory, 1852 for Corstorphine, Gogar & Neighbourhood. For those interested in the Edinburgh & Leith County Directories for 1842/43, the links have been moved to the main page so please update your bookmarks. Good luck, Lynne ******************************* Parish of Corstorphine Web Page http://www.angelfire.com/ct2/corstorphine/

----- Original Message ----- From: stephenmorrison To: MIDLOTHIAN Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: William Campbell I am researching my great-grandfather William Campbell. According to the 1881 census he was born in Cramond 1831, and was described as a "nailer". However, on his daughter's ( i.e. my grandmother's) marriage certificate to my grandfather, Henry Morrison, in Kilmarnock in 1895 he was described a "blacksmith, (journeyman)". That is all the information I have. To discover more about his background, parents and siblings, I imagine my best course of action would be to try and obtain the 1851 census for Cramond, when he would have been 20 years old, and hopefully still living in Cramond. Perhaps the Parish Records would be worth investigating. I have recently discovered that, in the 18th and 19th century, Cramond was a major exporter of nails, and so it is safe to assume that a nailer was someone who made nails. I would like to know if a nailer was recognised as a trade or skill, or did he simply upgrade himself after 1881? Any advice or information would be most welcome. Steve, Stephen Morrison

Does anyone have the 1891 census for St. George. Edinburgh? I am interested in details for David Martin, any help would be much appreciated. Robina, Bris. Aus

Hi Listers, I've newly subscribed to the Scottish List, in the hope that someone might be able to help me find some information about my Father, who I have not seen or heard from since 1947. I have searched for about 40 years, even searched the GRO Deaths Indexes for England & Wales, but to no avail. I have just found a Cousin who tells me that her Father, my Father's Brother, was asked by the Scottish Police, about 20 years ago, to go to Scotland, from Liverpool, to identify a body that they had found, and it turned out to be my Father. My Cousin can tell me nothing more about the circumstances, or location, and as her Father has since died, I would like to ask you if you remember anything like this happening in your area, or reading of it in the papers. Or perhaps some kind person could look in the Scottish Deaths Indexes for him. His name was JAMES JOSHUA MERCER, d.o.b. 26th July 1911, in Liverpool, so he would be in the age range of 65 to 75 when he died. I would appreciate any help you can give me, and offer my sincere thanks. Regards, Tom Mercer. Coedpoeth, Wrexham. Member of Clwyd FHS, Liverpool & SWLancs FHS, Cumbria FHS. Researching MERCER, HAYES(Manchester & Liverpool), GRAVE (Cumbria), GRAY, BRIDGEMAN, UNWIN, all Liverpool.

Does anyone have any info at all on the BOAL line. I have found out that some sailors from Spain were shipwrecked in the Firth of Forth during the Spanish Armada. When asked their name they replied "BOAL" (which was where they were born in Spain). I am trying to trace ancestors from the American Colonies back to Scotland. Any info will be greatly appreciated. ta ra Valerie (Griffin) Boal, New Liskeard, Ontario Canada

Hello everyone! I've already sent this message to the Midlothian list, so if you're on that too, please ignore this one. It's a bit long, and I do apologise, but I thought it would be the best way to link up with anyone out there who has any connection. Here goes: Alexander Donaldson, labourer in Merry-Hatton (a farm), Gladsmuir, East Lothian, and Marion Hunter had at least four children in the 1750s/1760s. But before that, maybe they got married. Ancestral File (LDS) shows Alexander Donaldson as having married Marion Hunter on 15 May 1757 in Haddington. The submitter's name is Susan Cheever of Spanish Fork, Utah. Unfortunately (1) I don't know whether she has any connection with the family or is an LDS official, and attempts to get in touch with her at the address given have failed and (2) I can't find this marriage on either the IGI or the GRO index. Be that as it may, they had at least the following children: Andrew Donaldson, born at Gladsmuir 3 July 1758, christened at Gladsmuir 9 July 1758 John Donaldson, born Gladsmuir 5 January 1760, christened in Gladsmuir 13 January 1760. Alexander Donaldson, born Gladsmuir, 4 November 1761, christened in Gladsmuir 8 November 1761 Margaret Donaldson, born Gladsmuir 26 May 1764, christened Gladsmuir 3 June 1764. (It's possible to surmise from this that Alexander Donaldson the Elder's father was called Andrew and that Marion Hunter's parents were called John and Margaret, but of course there are no guarantees, and that still leaves the field pretty wide open.) I do know something of their son Andrew Donaldson. In December 1775, he joined the 42nd Highlanders (Royal Highland Regiment, later to become the Black Watch) which sailed in May 1776 to deal (unsuccessfully) with a little bother in the North American Colonies. In October 1783, he was discharged from the regiment at Paulus Hook, New Jersey, with "Twenty eight days Subsistence to Carry me to the place of my Destination" while the regiment itself withdrew to Halifax, Nova Scotia. Thirty years pass (no doubt not so uneventfully as all that) and on 21 December 1813 an Andrew Donaldson, street paver, marries Helen Elliot in Edinburgh, High Church parish. They were my great-great-great-grandparents, though there are still blanks to fill in. First, I have not found any record of any children born to them, but I know from other sources that they had at least two daughters, Eliza, born in Edinburgh about 1824, and Isabella (my great-great-grandmother), born in Haddington around 1829. Second, was this Andrew Donaldson the same one who was discharged from the 42nd in 1783? The discharge papers were handed down in Eliza Donaldson's family on the understanding that they related to her father. But that means he (re-?) married pretty late in life and was procreating even later. Not only that, but he was still alive in 1845, when Eliza was married (to Thomas Baillie) and in 1850, when Isabella was married (to Thomas's brother William). In 1845, his address was Hill Place, Edinburgh, and in 1850 it was Musselburgh; on both dates, he is described as a causeway layer. All I can say is, if he was the same Andrew Donaldson, he was made of robust material and I hope I have as many of his genes as possible. Third, although Midlothian marriage records of that era are usually pretty helpful in giving the bride's father's name, place of residence and occupation, in this case Helen Elliot is described as "daughter of the deceased (blank)". The scribe must have expired as he was entering the details, or else Helen couldn't remember or refused to give her father's name. Most frustrating. So, obviously I want to fill in as many of the blanks as possible, and I was wondering if anyone out there had anything to suggest. For example, I think Andrew Donaldson and Helen Elliot will have had rather more than just the two children. Does anyone have a Donaldson connection that could lead back to a child born 1813-1830, with middle names Elliot or Hunter? (For example, Eliza Donaldson had a son called Hunter Baillie and Isabella Donaldson's son Andrew Baillie had a daughter called Helen Elliot Baillie). If I could fill in more of Andrew and Helen's children, that might give a few further pointers. Going back to the children of Alexander Donaldson and Marion Hunter, I have found some possible marriages and children, and I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who thinks they may be connected with them. There are the following children recorded of Andrew Donaldson and Isobell Nicol (no marriage recorded, but this could be the (first) marriage of Andrew born 1758): Mary, born 31 July 1788 in St Cuthberts, Edinburgh Isabel, christened 31 March 1793 at Alloa, Clackmannanshire Andrew, christened 14 March 1795, Edinburgh (could be father of Eliza and Isabella? - Would have been 18 on his marriage to Helen Elliot in 1813.) Alexander, christened 19 November 1797, Canongate, Edinburgh Mary, christened 30 March 1800, Canongate A John Donaldson (could be John born 1760) married Janet Williamson 1 January 1779 in St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, and they had the following children: Alexander, born 15 March 1785 at South Leith, Midlothian Elizabeth, born 20 June 1787 at South Leith, christened 8 July William, born 10 August 1790 at South Leith Andrew, born 18 March 1793, College Kirk, Edinburgh (could be father of Eliza and Isabella?- Would have been 20 on marriage to Helen Elliot in 1813.) Thomas, born 20 May 1796, College Kirk, Edinburgh Jean, born 24 May 1796, Edinburgh Mary, born 23 January (February?) 1799, Edinburgh or Haddington Alexander, born 15 February 1802, Edinburgh An Alexander Donaldson (could be Alexander born 1761) married Helen Donaldson 7 January 1788 in Edinburgh, and they had the following children: Robert, born 8 May 1789, Edinburgh Andrew, born 16 April 1790, Edinburgh (could be father of Eliza and Isabella? - Would have been 23 on marriage to Helen Elliot in 1813.) Alexander, also born 16 April 1790, Edinburgh Margaret, born 31 October 1791, Edinburgh Helen, christened 15 May 1793 at Lasswade, Midlothian Grace, christened 24 July 1794 at Lasswade Anne Graham, christened 23 September 1795, Liberton, Midlothian Janet, christened 12 November 1796, Liberton Christian Hepburn, christened 1 February 1798, Liberton Robert, christened 1 June 1799, Liberton Sarah, christened 21 October 1800, Liberton Janet, born 3 July 1803, Edinburgh Isabella Gordon (or Garder?), born 24 September 1804, Edinburgh, christened 20 October Georgina, born 11 January 1806, Edinburgh Caroline Howard, born 23 April 1807, Edinburgh Eliza(beth), born 23 February 1809, Edinburgh Allen Campbell, born 4 November 1810, Edinburgh (An awful lot of children, so it could be two couples, but there are no date clashes) Finally, a Margaret Donaldson (could be Margaret born 1764) married John Chambers 25 November 1788 at Gladsmuir. They had the following children: William, born 12 April 1789, Gladsmuir James, christened 26 June 1791, Gladsmuir Henry, christened August 1793, Tranent, East Lothian Jean, christened 14 June 1795, Tranent Francis, christened 18 March 1798, Tranent Alison; christened 26 July 1802, Gladsmuir Elisabeth, christened 19 February 1804, Gladsmuir George, christened 27 April 1806, Gladsmuir Any suggestions/connections? I'd love to hear from you if there are. Hast luego Alan Baillie

Would anyone have any information of Theodore James Watts his daughter's marriage certificate were living at 213 Melville Terrace, Edinburgh in 1897. His wife Annie Pinney died before the 1881 census was taken when the family was living in Wales. Theo was born in 1843 in Dorset, but the census does not tell me which county he was born in. I have no information on his wife at all. If you can help I would be pleased to hear from you. Jean Black.....Oz

Dear Listers I hope there are some MacDONALD researchers out there. I am looking to trace a Margaret MACDONALD who married James INGLIS in Edinburgh Parish in 1829. Margaret and James then moved south to Gravesend, he was a fisherman then master Mariner. I am unable to obtain a marriage cert for this pair, so far I have had no luck waiting for the film from the LDS (I am in Australia). So does anyone have a Margaret MACDONALD born 1805 to 1813 that married an INGLIS and disappeared? James parents married in Kent but where his father James INGLIS was born is a mystery In case it helps James and Margaret named their children as follows: James William 1829 Mary Elizabeth 1832 Elizabeth Ann 1834 Harriet Margaret 1836 Christian Ellen 1839 William George 1840 This has now been one of my 'brick walls' for a year or so, any ideas would be most welcome Thanks for taking the time to read this. Regards from Melbourne Christine Stone

I would appreciate if anyone could look up the 1891 Census for me, I am interested in the details for MARTIN, St.George, Edinburgh. Thanks, Robina, Bris. Aus.

Anyone know this researcher/her email address? I am posting this on behalf of a Montreal lister who has lost touch since she changed her ISP. If Eileen can email me I will give her the details. Judy Copywriter@tesco.net searching BRIGHT, CRUMP, WHITEHEAD, WATKISS, SHORE, HOPE EDWARDS, WRIGHT (all Salop) INSKIP (Salop/Staffs), MARTIN (Staffs), MITCHELL (SCT and CHS/Lancs), SMITH, AITCHISON, THORBURN (all DFS), McRAE (Lewis/L'pool), HOWARTH (Lancs), OLSEN (N'way,L'pool), WESTON (Salop/L'pool), EDWARDS(Flint), and VIGGOR (CHS/L'pool/Salop) >

Hello Listers I'm still trying to discover something more - anything more! - about the following BORTHWICKs who were in the book, printing, publishing business in Edinburgh. (These details came from the Scottish Book Trade index http://www.nls.ac.uk/catalogues/sbti/intro.htm) If anyone is able to point me in the direction of other resources or help with a look-up of any Edinburgh directories I would be very grateful indeed. I understand that my ancestors' family were in the publishing business in Edinburgh - books, newspapers, poetry, magazines - but haven't been able to find the right BORTHWICKs so any ideas or help will be appreciated. BORTHWICK, John stationer Edinburgh 5 North St David Street 1825 9 Norton Place 1827 1 Hill Square 1830 Edin Dir BORTHWICK, John bookseller Edinburgh 6 James Street 1833 Edin Dir BORTHWICK, William bookbinder Edinburgh 2 West Register Street 1804 34 North Bridge 1806 Warriston Close 1807-11 Married Janet daughter of deceased James Monteith pewterer 29 August 1797. EdinMarr; Edin Dir BORTHWICK, William printer Edinburgh Edinburgh 1676 Child (poor) 9 March 1676 and daughter Janet 3 October 1676 buried in Greyfriars Churchyard. GreyBuri Ann Carson (Sydney, Australia) annmacarthurc@ozemail.com.au Researching in Scotland (1800s Lanark, Dumfries, Midlothian, Stirling): ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ B O R T H W I C K (descendants of John Borthwick & Elizabeth Dinwoodie of Kirkpatrick Juxta, Moffat, Biggar) B R O W N (Robert & Jessie, m. Anderston 1867) D I N W O O D I E (Dumfries) L A I N G (Denny, Stirling) L I L L I E (Biggar, Glasgow) Mc (K) N I G H T (Moffat, Glasgow), M E I K L E (Tradeston, Anderston, Hutchesontown) P A T E R S O N (Lanark, Liverpool ENG)

I would appreciate it if someone could Look-Up the Christening of JOHN LORIMER of Ferry Port on Craig, Fife, Scotland, on 22 July 1839 Church of Scotland of Falkland. I need any information on his parents, Address, Vocation or Trade. Thank you any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Stuart Lorimer Seattle Wa.