Is anyone on the list familiar with the following 1998 publication of the Scottish Association of Family History Societies that I found in the Allen County (IN) Public Library online catalog? "Scottish Census Indexes: Covering the 1841- 1871 Civil Censuses," compiled by Peter Ruthven-Murray. I live two hours away and would be interested in knowing whether I should look forward to seeing it! Harold Henderson, hs@niia.net on the lookout for HENDERSON, THRALL, SCHOLES, BASSETT, BORING/ANDERSON, SCHRIBER, DAVIDSON, STENBERG, FLINT, JOSS, JAMES, & more

If anyone has the answer to Bruce's question about where to obtain the 1851 census, would they please put their answer on the List for all to see. I have a Sutherland family in Trinity College Parish and would dearly like to find out more about them to overcome my brickwall. Many thanks Deborah

Hello, I am looking for information on Peter Spittal b. c1876, possibly Edinburgh or Stirling. There is a Peter in the 1881 census born in 1877. I don't know if this is the right Peter, so any further information on this Peter would be most helpful. Also, my Peter Spittal had a son named Peter Wilson Spittal b. 1900. Family lore holds that Wilson is a family name. I think it might possibly be the maiden name of Peter's (the senior) mother. Only a guess, unfortunately. Thanks to all and have a great day. Missey Schumacher jimmisschu216@aol.com Illinois, USA

Judy Thankyou for that run down on the Edinburgh censuses. So how do I get hold of the 1851 indexed census? I have Robert and Mary HOGG (married about 1848) and living at "19 Salisbury St in the District of Holyrood and Canongate in the Burgh of Edinburgh" according to their daughter Anne Veary HOGGs birth certificate. They arrived in New Zealand in December 1858 with 5 children, so I would love to find the 1851 census entry to find out who the other 4 were! Can someone who has access to it do a look up for me, or tell me how to get hold of it? Thanks Bruce Simons Melbourne, Oz

Thanking you in advance. I am going to give you the lot and hope that you can fit your interests to whatever you feel appropriate. At each step of the Dempster line, past my father, I have not found siblings for any of the Dempsters. I am working up the DEMPSTER line but with effort being spent to gather the mates and siblings along with associated dates and notes, as available. I am only going two deep...i.e., the mate and their parents and siblings. Canada: Gen 1. Alan Kemp Dempster [me] Gen 2. James Kemp Dempster [my father] Scotland: Gen 3. Lauchlan John Dempster [January 23, 1887] m. Kattie Fraser [December 31, 1888] [William Fraser (need his parents John Fraser and Jessie Fraser marriage date and parents and siblings for each) + Mary Ann Swan] February 24, 1911, Portobello, St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland=>Presbyterian. Gen 4. Lauchlan John Dempster [July 31, 1863] m. Georgina Mills [May 09, 1867][George Mills + Margaret MacKay (nothing of her background known) December 07, 1884...no location except Portobello, may have been St. Cuthberts as above. Gen 5. Lachlan Dempster [Sept. 28, 1838] m1. Cecilia Lindsay [Edinburgh][b.?][1st marriage=five children][James Lindsay + Ann Gordon...their details needed] James Kemp m2 Cecilia Lindsay [Edinburgh][October 01, 1875...two children, nothing of Kemps known] m. March 13, 1863, Tradeston, Glasgow, Scotland [this is an anomaly, her parents must have been from Glasgow] Gen 6. Lachlan Dempster [b.?] m. Mary Cummings [?](father Bernard Cummings, no mother noted) February 20, 1835/only one child noted. Any assistance to fill in the missing details would be gratefully accepted. Al Dempster -- ==================================================================== YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE INSTALLED AND/OR OPEN UNSCANNED ATTACHMENTS. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE FOR IRRESPONSIBILITY. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CHRIST IS ALIVE! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Operating out of Windows Millennium it is immune to "CODE RED WORMS." All incoming and outgoing correspondence is scanned by PC-cillin and ZONE ALARM. This writer is computer literate and technically savvy. Copyright © 2001 Alan Kemp Dempster, Ontario, Canada "FORTITER ET STRENUE" This e-mail is privileged, confidential and subject to copyright and Canadian Laws. Any unauthorized use or disclosure of its contents in part or in whole, is prohibited. All rights reserved to legal counsel who owns equal privileged controlling interest over its contents. Free faxes to this number will be attached to my e-mail as an attachment ... eFax Number: [1] 253-541-1113. Number outside Canada or the U.S. must add a 1 at the first. Anything appearing below this message is not of my doing. =====================================================================

Hi to add to the previous email on my request for a look up on Peter Dewar, "I understand there is a cross referencing system in this index so if someone can do the lookup I would be grateful if they would check the household code to see if there are any inlaws etc in the Dewar household on census night." Thanks Christine

Could someone look up for me in the 1851 census information on : Peter Dewar. He was married to Jane Kay Morrison 30 Apr 1857 in Edinburgh. Other info as below: Peter Dewar born 30 May 1835 in St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, son of Archibald Dewar and Margaret Easton. Archibald and Margaret were married 10 Feb 1832 in St. Cuthberts. They also had a daughter Elizabeth Dewar born 5 Jan 1833 in St. Cuthberts. Thank you kindly,,, Christine

Greetings List I am new to this list and in hopes of finding information on Sybella Murray (Mary) Foggo SCOTT born 1872 Edinburgh, Scotland died February 18, 1929 AT 123 Becket St., Borough of Leeds, County of York England, married: (1) Thomas Beilby RAWLINS (2) William Walton SLADEN Kindest regards from southern California Charlene Phillips

HI, I want to thank Judy for all the wonderful information on census for Edinburgh. I am brand new to research in Scotland. I live in the US and just recently got some information on my ancestors from Edinburgh.. I am asking if there might be a volunteer on the list that could do a surname look up for me for the 1851 census..If so it would be greatly appreciated..Thank you kindly, Christine. (Researching Dewar, Morrison, and Kay surnames).

Hi Listers, I'm new to the list and would appreciate any help whatsoever, I'm researching my Great Grandparents, John MARTIN(Portree) and Andrina EDWARDSON(Unst), they were married in Leith where John was a coachman at the Royal Oak Hotel. Their children were, Andrew, who was a skipper on a ship named 'Freea', Angus my Grandfather, Journeyman Joiner, he laid some of the floors at Hollyrood Palace, James, William and Margaret. Angus was born in 1896, I don't know about his siblings, do any of these names ring a bell with anyone. Any information gratefully received. TIA, Liz

Edinburgh censuses are available for 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891. There are no surname indexes that I know of for 1841, 61 or 71, but there is a street index which tells you which film you need for a particular address. The 1851 has a fantastic, cross referenced index which is *almost* as good as the film - but the snag is that is doesnt cover all of what is now known as Edinburgh. The four volumes are Old Town, Canongate and New Town (2 vols). This index is available in the Central Library in Edinburgh and a couple of other places. The 1881 census is of course indexed on the discs available from the LDS. The 1891 census index is available at the Edinburgh Central Library and online at Scots Origins. Apparently you can now get a 'screen shot' of the record from Scots Origins. What this means in practice is that to look up someone 'in Edinburgh' in 1841,61 or 71 without an address would take weeks of work. Likewise surname trawls. Even if someone did the lookup, your lot might have gone to Glasgow for the weekend, and you might get the wrong family! In the case of the 51 census, you might get a match, but you have to remember that the census doesnt cover eg Leith, so you could get a false positive. But that is not entirely the end of the story. There is a 'work round'. Edinburgh has post office directories that start from the late 19thC.So does Leith. Depending on occupation your ancestor may be included, so you then have an address to check in the census.This is assuming you dont have a 'suitable' christening or other record to supply an address. As a final point, please remember that "Edinburgh" sometimes refers to 'Edinburghshire" so if you dont know the city you may want to ask the list where a place really was. Your ancestors might have been 'out of town', and that would narrow down your search to a smaller community. Please note, this is not an offer to do lookups. I am posting this information to help those who have recently asked for lookups and are wondering why no one responded. Judy

Would some one be so kind as to do a lookup to see whether you can find Helen MCINTYRE nee Bowie with her son Joseph on the 1861 census of Edinburgh? Her parents lived in Ormiston, so don't know whether she would have gone to live with them after 1859 when her husband Finlay McIntyre died in March. Any help would be appreciated. Perle in Australia. _____________________________________________________________________________ http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Father's Day Shopping - Find the perfect gift for your Dad for Father's Day

Hi Perle I don't have Helen McIntyre in my family, but found it interesting that she was from Ormiston. I have an Elizabeth McIntyre that married into my Stewart line. Info is below. Hope you find something interesting Regards Marsha Walker Stoney Creek, Ontario Descendants of Murdoch MacIntyre 1 Murdoch MacIntyre b: 1794 .. +Mary Margaret Patterson b: 1794 parents may be William Paterson and Elizabeth Alexander ..... 2 Elizabeth (Betsy) McIntyre b: 05 May 1815 in Alva, Alva Parish (Tullibody) - Chr. 13 May 1815 Humbie, E.L d: 30 Sep 1872 ......... +William Stewart b: 30 Apr 1805 in Shillinghill, Humbie Parish, East Lothian ............. 3 William Stewart b: 12 Dec 1836 in Cramond Parish Lauriston, Midlothian ............. 3 Mary Stewart b: 23 Jun 1838 in Cramond Parish Lauriston, Midlothian ............. 3 Charles Stewart b: 20 Oct 1839 in Cramond Parish Lauriston, Midlothian ................. +Jane Stewart b: 23 Oct 1838 in Heriot by Crookston, Midlothian C116882 ............. 3 Helen Stewart b: 16 Sep 1841 in Ormiston Parish, Lamplands, Kilns, East lothian ................. +William Marr White b: 12 Aug 1836 in Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland ............. 3 Jane Stewart b: 02 Jul 1843 in Ormiston Parish, Lamplands, Kilns, East lothian ............. 3 Ann McIntyre Stewart b: 11 Jun 1845 in Ormiston Parish, Lamplands, Kilns, East lothian ................. +James Walker McIntyre d: Bef. 1881 in 1881 census Ann is widow staying with brother Murdoch Stewart ............. 3 Elizabeth Stewart b: 13 Apr 1847 in Ormiston Parish, Lamplands, Kilns, East lothian ............. 3 Murdock McIntyre Stewart b: 12 Apr 1849 in Cockpen Parish, Redheugh, Midlothian ................. +Phoebe McCartney ............. 3 Catherine Ainslie Stewart b: 29 May 1851 in Berthwick Parish at Cowbyres Farm, Midlothian ............. 3 Janet Stewart b: 01 Jun 1853 in Currie Parish, Marchbank, Midlothian ............. 3 Christine Fraser Stewart b: 22 Dec 1856 in Cramond Parish Lauriston Farm, Davieson's Mains, ML ..... 2 John MacIntyre b: 1831 ..... 2 William MacIntyre b: 1817 ..... 2 Ann MacIntyre b: 1819 ..... 2 Andrew MacIntyre b: 1828 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Perle Harvey" <paarharvey@yahoo.com.au> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:28 AM Subject: [EDB] 1861 census lookup Would some one be so kind as to do a lookup to see whether you can find Helen MCINTYRE nee Bowie with her son Joseph on the 1861 census of Edinburgh? Her parents lived in Ormiston, so don't know whether she would have gone to live with them after 1859 when her husband Finlay McIntyre died in March. Any help would be appreciated. Perle in Australia. ____________________________________________________________________________ _ http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Father's Day Shopping - Find the perfect gift for your Dad for Father's Day ==== SCT-EDINBURGH Mailing List ==== Need mail list help? Contact Carol Hepburn at chepburn@uswest.net

Hi, new to list. Can anyone do a look up for me for Peter and Jane Dewar in the 1861 census. Edinburgh area. Thanks, Christine

Could SKS do a lookup for me in the 1871 census for Edinburgh? I am looking for the FAIRLEY and MCKAIN families living at 3 East Arthur Place and 21 Carnegie Street respectively in Canongate. TIA, -- Ian Russell Ottawa, CAN

I am seeking advice regarding an agent who could order a birth cert. for me. Rhoda Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH-D Digest V01 #246

Searching for BORTHWICKs - anywhere, anytime, any country - for One Name Study. Thanks to all on the lists who have shared information with me. It is being posted on my site for all Borthwick researchers to share. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~anncarson/ If anyone comes across the BORTHWICK name while doing their own researches I'll always be very pleased to hear. Best wishes Ann Carson (Sydney, Australia) annmacarthurc@ozemail.com.au Guild of One Name Studies #3727

Hi, Dianne, Judging by your information, I think it more than likely that you have two families: maybe cousins marrying sisters or even cousins. If the first ones have followed the traditional naming pattern, then Christian's mother will be Margaret and Alexander's Janet. Looking at the ages of the children, Christian & Catherine couln't possibly be the same person but Alexander's father could certainly be William. Sheena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Dianne Dixon" <bddixon@inet.net.nz> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 4:02 AM Subject: [EDB] Re Rutherford / Sinclair Family > Hello Listers, > Thankyou to Rena McKenzie for her reply to my posting of the above family. > At this time the only other information that I have on Alexander Sinclair is the date for his marriage to Christian Swanson, 30th May, 1828 at Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. They had the following children :- Margaret christened 11 Sept. 1828 Thurso, Janet christened 24th Feb,1830 Thurso, Christian christened 29th Sept 1831 Thurso, William christened 7th Oct 1833 Thurso. There were 2 other children, Alexandrina christened 4th May 1830 and Catharine christened 15th March 1832, both at Thurso , but the parents names were Alexander Sinclair and Catharine Swanson. It is possible that Christian and Catharine may be the same person ? > Could Alexander's father be named William ? > Regards Dianne Dixon, Christchurch, New Zealand. >

Hello Listers, Thankyou to Rena McKenzie for her reply to my posting of the above family. At this time the only other information that I have on Alexander Sinclair is the date for his marriage to Christian Swanson, 30th May, 1828 at Thurso, Caithness, Scotland. They had the following children :- Margaret christened 11 Sept. 1828 Thurso, Janet christened 24th Feb,1830 Thurso, Christian christened 29th Sept 1831 Thurso, William christened 7th Oct 1833 Thurso. There were 2 other children, Alexandrina christened 4th May 1830 and Catharine christened 15th March 1832, both at Thurso , but the parents names were Alexander Sinclair and Catharine Swanson. It is possible that Christian and Catharine may be the same person ? Could Alexander's father be named William ? Regards Dianne Dixon, Christchurch, New Zealand.

Researching my husband's WATT family. Seeking information on John WATT d. 1899 Scotland who married Margaret Morrison b. Scotland. Their son, Lewis Cavine WATT, was born 1 Dec 1841 near/in Edinburgh. Lewis arrived in the US 1866 via NYC. The family story concerns "Louis Cavigne" who fled France during the Fr. Revolution and ended up in Edinburgh. Would appreciate hearing from anyone who might have information on this family. Thank you. Judith Watt State College, Pennsylvania __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/