Hello, Would anyone please know what Burial Ground would be used (around 1830) if the family attended St. Mary's Parish Church (Anglican) Edinburgh,possibly Broughton Street? Thanking you, Mary from Tasmania

Hello, I have seen a listing for gggg grandfather John JACKSON, born 1730, died 7/12/1806 Shakespeare Square, Edinburgh, owned Theatre Royal, Edinburgh. Anyone on the list know of this theatre? Does it still exist? etc, etc. regards, Kathy, Blue Mountains, NSW

Thought the following website might be of interest to some of us: Scotland Birth, Death & Marriage Exchange: http://www.sctbdm.com/ -- Best Wishes Angela<boon.bluecats@ntlworld.com> Chase Bridge Class of '75 http://www.chasebridge75.co.uk/ Pettistree Homepage http://www.pettistree.suffolk.gov.uk/

hullo John, a.. REF: John JACKSON, born 1730, died 7/12/1806 Shakespeare Square, Edinburgh, owned Theatre Royal, Edinburgh. b.. 1768. Theatre Royal founded in Shakespeare Square. 1859. Theatre Royal demolished. I also would be pleased to have as much information as possible about the Theatre Royal in Shakespear Square - the period up until about 1810. It might be easier for you just to refer me to sources. You may already know that there is in Edinburgh Central Library (George IV Bridge) a listing of plays performed in the Edinburgh Theatres. Eunice Smith Edinburgh, Scotland

Hullo Mary, a.. REF: Would anyone please know what Burial Ground would be used (around 1830) if the family attended St. Mary's Parish Church (Anglican) Edinburgh, possibly Broughton Street? In 1813 A Catholic chapel in (or near) Blackfriars Wynd dedicated to St Andrew the Apostle of Scotland moved to an ornate church St Mary's in Broughton Street. (Current address: York Place). (REF: James Grant's `Old and New Edinburgh' .1882). In !874 The Duke of Buccleuch laid the foundation stone of a cathedral of the Scottish Episcopal Church dedicated to St Mary - facing Melville Street (now situated between the modern streets of Palmerston Place and Manor Place). (REF: James Grant's `Old and New Edinburgh' 1882). In a map of 1825 there is an Episcopal Chapel situated near the junctionof St Mary's Wynd and the Cowgate. There appears to be a graveyard associated with it. Hope that helps you - it probably just leads to more questions! Eunice Smith Edinburgh, Scotland

John D. Stevenson. A.M.I.Mar.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray & Kathy Harrington" <raykat@lisp.com.au> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: [EDB] John JACKSON, Theatre Royal Hello, I have seen a listing for gggg grandfather John JACKSON, born 1730, died 7/12/1806 Shakespeare Square, Edinburgh, owned Theatre Royal, Edinburgh. Anyone on the list know of this theatre? Does it still exist? etc, etc. regards, Kathy, Blue Mountains, NSW Hello Kathy, Hope this helps. 1768. Theatre Royal founded in Shakespeare Square. 1859. Theatre Royal demolished. If you come back to me off List, with your snail mail address, will pass on all the info I have.Too much to send in an attachment. Regards. John D. Stevenson. A.M.I.Mar.E. Sunny,windy & cool,12C, Edinburgh.

My gratefull thanks to everyone who kindly answered my query. From this side of the world, I can now visualise what it must have been like back in the middle 1800's with the help of a map and a photo which Elaine has kindly sent to me. The photo is just great Elaine, thankyou, and is a good size photo. Dianne Dixon, Ch.Ch. NZ

Yes I was wrong! Humble apologies:-)) Should have known better as a long time ago I spent a lot of time in Henderson's bar ......perhaps too much time??? I don't at all mind being corrected in such a nice way.....brought back a few memories of the Oxford too! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [EDB] re thistle street > You're both wrong and both right! > > I think Carol IS thinking of Rose Street, which is between George Street and > Princes Street. > > Thistle Street is between George Street and Queen Street. It is not > pedestrianised, BUT also has lots of restaurants, pubs, antique shops etc. > and is altogether quirkier and less touristy than Rose Street. > > There are still flats above the shops in both streets. > > I used to work at an office in South West Thistle St Lane. This was where > they held the Lane Sales, stuff out of the auctioneers sold off cheaply in > the street. People went there to pick up a bargain, but some of the stuff > came from poindings ('Pindings') when people couldnt pay their bills. > > That's the Thistle Street everyone knows - the eastern bit between Hanover > St and St Andrews Sq is a bit dull I think, basically the backs of other > buildings. > > Then to the west of Thistle Street you get Hill Street, which is where you > get the offices and along into Young St, same idea but also the famous > Oxford Bar. > > Perhaps it was a session in there that got Charlie confused, heh heh. > > The Oxford Bar is apparently where Ian Rankin, author of the Rebus stories, > likes to sup a pint or two. It was famous for the former landlord, Willie > Ross, who ran it as a serious pub and scorned all frivolous touches. > > Customer: Could I have a slice of lemon please? > > Willie: This is a pub, no' a f*@$ing fruit shop. > > > > I'm told that when Willie went down to change a barrel, the customers would > drop pennies thru the gaps in the floorboards, for the joy of hearing him > scuttling about chasing the money. > > Judy > > ---------- > >From: Charlie Small <Charles.Small@cableinet.co.uk> > >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [EDB] re thistle street > >Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 10:36 am > > > > > Your thinking of Rose Street Thistle Street and it's lanes do run parallel to > > Princes Street > > but is the 3rd street over and is mainly offices and consulates ect. > > > > Charlie Small Edinburgh > > > > Carol Warren wrote: > > > >> Thistle Street is very much still there and according to my A-Z there are > >> NE, SE, NW and SW thistle st. lanes. Thistle St runs parallel to Princes St > >> and is a busy, pedestrian shopping area with many bars and restaurants but > >> still has accommodation in the old flats above the shops. > >> hope this helps > >> Carol >

Hi there fellow listers, A big thankyou to Malcolm, Carol and Elaine for answering my query regarding Thistle Street and taking the trouble to get back to me so quickly. I am so pleased that the street has still survived and would dearly love to see it. I have now started the 1871 census so it will be interesting to see if they still stayed there. Whilst they lived in Thistle street for the 1861 census they also had a son living in South St James Street. Their son James Rutherford was married 16 April,1861 at 37 or 57 George Square, Edinburgh. James being my 2x Great Grandfather. To Elaine, Thankyou for the offer of sending a photo of Thistle Street. My computer will take photos as an attachment so if you are able to send one I would dearly love to see it. Thanks to you again. Dianne Dixon, Christchurch, New Zealand.

You're both wrong and both right! I think Carol IS thinking of Rose Street, which is between George Street and Princes Street. Thistle Street is between George Street and Queen Street. It is not pedestrianised, BUT also has lots of restaurants, pubs, antique shops etc. and is altogether quirkier and less touristy than Rose Street. There are still flats above the shops in both streets. I used to work at an office in South West Thistle St Lane. This was where they held the Lane Sales, stuff out of the auctioneers sold off cheaply in the street. People went there to pick up a bargain, but some of the stuff came from poindings ('Pindings') when people couldnt pay their bills. That's the Thistle Street everyone knows - the eastern bit between Hanover St and St Andrews Sq is a bit dull I think, basically the backs of other buildings. Then to the west of Thistle Street you get Hill Street, which is where you get the offices and along into Young St, same idea but also the famous Oxford Bar. Perhaps it was a session in there that got Charlie confused, heh heh. The Oxford Bar is apparently where Ian Rankin, author of the Rebus stories, likes to sup a pint or two. It was famous for the former landlord, Willie Ross, who ran it as a serious pub and scorned all frivolous touches. Customer: Could I have a slice of lemon please? Willie: This is a pub, no' a f*@$ing fruit shop. I'm told that when Willie went down to change a barrel, the customers would drop pennies thru the gaps in the floorboards, for the joy of hearing him scuttling about chasing the money. Judy ---------- >From: Charlie Small <Charles.Small@cableinet.co.uk> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [EDB] re thistle street >Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 10:36 am > > Your thinking of Rose Street Thistle Street and it's lanes do run parallel to > Princes Street > but is the 3rd street over and is mainly offices and consulates ect. > > Charlie Small Edinburgh > > Carol Warren wrote: > >> Thistle Street is very much still there and according to my A-Z there are >> NE, SE, NW and SW thistle st. lanes. Thistle St runs parallel to Princes St >> and is a busy, pedestrian shopping area with many bars and restaurants but >> still has accommodation in the old flats above the shops. >> hope this helps >> Carol

Thought I'd drop a line to the list as I got my Great Grandmother ELIZABETH CURRIE'S birth certificate this week: ELIZABETH CURRIE born 11 July 1881 at 3 East Richmond Street, Edinburgh. Her parents were ARCHIBALD CURRIE (a carter) & LILLIAS ANDERSON who were married on 31 December 1869 Edinburgh. Just waiting for Archibald & Lillias' marriage certificate to take me back a further generation! Any Currie researchers with any connections to the above? -- Best Wishes Angela<boon.bluecats@ntlworld.com> Chase Bridge Class of '75 http://www.chasebridge75.co.uk/ Pettistree Homepage http://www.pettistree.suffolk.gov.uk/

Thought I'd drop a line to the list as I got my Great Grandfather JAMES CRICHTON'S birth certificate this week: JAMES CRICHTON born 1 October 1877 at 17 St Leonard's Street Edinburgh. His parents were ROBERT CRICHTON (a baker) & MARGARET RITCHIE who were married on 23 July 1875 Edinburgh. Just waiting for Robert & Margaret's marriage certificate to take me back a further generation! Any Crichton researchers with any connections to the above? -- Best Wishes Angela<boon.bluecats@ntlworld.com> Chase Bridge Class of '75 http://www.chasebridge75.co.uk/ Pettistree Homepage http://www.pettistree.suffolk.gov.uk/

Angela, Saw your note on your James Crichton. I've been struggling with that family for a long time. Would like to stay in touch with you as you search for your ancetral line of Crichtons in Scotland. My ancesstor, Richard Crich came to Virginia (in America) in 1634. He, his wife, and baby daughter were killed in an Indian nassacre @1640. Two small sons survived because they wre visiting an Uncle nearby. My ancestor was one of these sons, HEnry Critch. Henry's name eventually changed to "Creech" by 1800. The other son, Nicholas, disappeared after he grew up. I believe he went back to Scotland or England. I wrote the following letter last night, a little more info there, so sending you a copy. Do you live in Scotland? All my ancestors came from there, Stirling, Thompson, Milner, Ctich(ton). As I grow older I become even more proud of my Scottish heritage and the kind of folks I am kin to! Hope to hear from you. Sincerely, Leola Starling ********************** Subj: Looking for Critch Ancestors Date: 10/24/2001 4:39:17 PM From: LeolaStar To: mtorty@netscapeonline.co.uk CC: Crichton-L@Rootsweb.com Deb, I saw your note to someone researching Crichtons in Wisconsin. I feel that my ancestor, Richard Crich or Critch, who came America (Virginia) in 1634 was from Scotland and he was from the Crichton family there. Richard had 3 children, Nicholas, Henry, and baby dau Frances. Richard's wife reportedly was Frances Beal (Bell). She had a brother John Beal living in VA also. Between 1634 - 1640 Richard, Frances, & baby Frances, were killed during a massive Indian uprising along the coast of Virginia. The 2 sons, Henry & Nicholas, survived because they were visiting their Uncle John Beal (Bell?) in the same area. The orphaned boys were raised by their Uncle to adulthood. Richard was listed as "Critch or Crich" on the ship's passenger List, appeared in a couple of other records as "Crich or Critch". Virginia records indicate Nicholas disappeared after he grew up, Henry became a Ship's Captain, spent his life sailing a Schooner up and down the east coast of America. Eventually his name changed from "Critch to Creek to Creech". Most of his descendants in America today are known as "creeches". I visited Scotland in August, also Crichton Castle. Was told by the guide that the name "Critchton or Crichton" was pronounced "Creighton or Krayton" in Scotland. He also told me that the family scattered after hostile political changes forced them to fllee for their lives. He said it was possible some did change their names. I have been trying to find out something about the descendants of this William Ctichton (Chancelor of Scotland) the ones who remained in England, Scotlnad or Ireland. Do you have any info on them? If so, were the names Nicholas, Richard or Henry used in the families? I believe Nicholas went back to England or Scotland, or it's possible he immigrated west in America. I've looked at some of the messages on the Boatd and it seems nonone has info on the early families until after 1800. Would appreciate any leads you (or anyone else can give. I think some of the Critchtons in America came from Richard Crich! Hoping to hear from you. Sincerely, Leola Starling

Thistle Street was so named in 1775 . In 1790 the section between Charlotte Square and Castle Street was renamed Young Street and that between Castle Street and Frederick Street renamed Hill Street. >From that time Thistle Street ran( and still does) from North St David Street(St Andrew's Square) to Frederick Street. In the section from Hanover Street to Frederick Street there are still many privately occupied two, three and four apartment flats Regards John D. Stevenson. A.M.I.Mar.E. Decidedly Autumnal, 12C, Edinburgh.

Your thinking of Rose Street Thistle Street and it's lanes do run parallel to Princes Street but is the 3rd street over and is mainly offices and consulates ect. Charlie Small Edinburgh Carol Warren wrote: > Thistle Street is very much still there and according to my A-Z there are > NE, SE, NW and SW thistle st. lanes. Thistle St runs parallel to Princes St > and is a busy, pedestrian shopping area with many bars and restaurants but > still has accommodation in the old flats above the shops. > hope this helps > Carol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:01 PM > Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH-D Digest V01 #305 > > ==== SCT-EDINBURGH Mailing List ==== > Need mail list help? Contact Carol Hepburn at chepburn@uswest.net

I have just obtained a copy of my ggf's Wedding Certificate. He was married at home in 4 McNeil Street. The excellent EdWeb site confirms this spelling although it is one of the few streets for which it cannot provide a source for the name. However- current street maps and the Royal Mail Postcode Finder site add a second 'L' giving the spelling as McNeill Street. Does anyone know if they are one and the same or is this some form of streetname inflation? When/why was it changed? Any help appreciated. Tom Bigley, West Sussex Researching from c1850: ANGUS/MATHERS/PATON/SCOTT in Angus EDNIE/GIBB/ in Fife HALL/SCOTT in Dunbar/Edinburgh BIGLEY in Cambs/London

Thistle Street is very much still there and according to my A-Z there are NE, SE, NW and SW thistle st. lanes. Thistle St runs parallel to Princes St and is a busy, pedestrian shopping area with many bars and restaurants but still has accommodation in the old flats above the shops. hope this helps Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH-D Digest V01 #305

Hello there Elaine, In an answer to the Edinburgh rootsweb site recently regarding brewerys, you mention that you were born in a pub in Thistle Street, Edinburgh. My 3xGreat grandfather Robert Rutherford and his wife Elizabeth (Betsy) Oliver and some of their family are recorded as living at 29 Thistle Street, Edinburgh in the Scottish 1861 Census. My question is - Does this street still survive today and is it as it was back in 1861 ? In particular does no 29 Thistle street still survive? Many thanks, Dianne Dixon, Christchurch, new Zealand.

Alexander Jeffrey DODDS born 27 Dec. 1881, Stow Village, his parents John DODDS & Jessie or Janet KNOX, in Ellis Island passenger search, residence Edinburgh, & shows arriving Ellis Island, 20 September 1904. Is anyone researching Alexander. 1904, is my last trace of him, as he is not my direct line. Mary

To find streets and addresses in Edinburgh and elsewhere got ot http://www.royalmail.co.uk/quick_tools/postcodes/default.htm enterstrret name and town. Do not enter a number as it will merely tell you the postcode. Aye Malcolm