John D. Stevenson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A G Forman" <Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: [EDB] Salt Manufacturers Tranent Would it be reasonable to assume there can't have been more than one Salt Manufacturer in Tranent in the 1880s?! Or perhaps Tranent was centre of a Scottish Gold Rush - but for salt?! The Formans that did the manufacturing seem to be the sons of the Mrs Forman of the Levenhall pub. Not my lot. Any Industrial Historians out there? Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk Hello Andrew, The manufacture of salt was a major local industry all along the shores of the Forth from Leith and Portobello to Port Seton and Prestonpans . This was also a cottage industry at one time. Will have at my notes and come back asap. Regards. John D. Stevenson A.M.I.Mar.E. Mild,windy,13C, Edinburgh.

Looking for any HELP to increase my knowledge of this family George BUCHANAN (born probably in Edinburgh about 1778, died 1838 Edinburgh) and Janet MacNAB (maybe born in Kenmore, Perthshire) married in South Leith on 15 Aug 1796. George a Stocking Maker in South Leith and a Freemason in Edinburgh They had 8 Children all born in Edinburgh Peter 1798, Isabella 1800, Archibald 1803, George 1805, Mary 1807, Margaret 1809, Janet McNab 1813, Catherine 1815. Mary married Thomas TURNBULL (born 1806 in Hawick ROX.) in Edinburgh 1827 Many thanks All the best Rob

hello Tonita these people were not worshipping at the Church of Scotland, but you should be able to find the banns, which would be called in the local parish church. What are the dates and locations? Judy ---------- >From: "tonita" <tonita@tibet99.fsnet.co.uk> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] >Date: Sun, Nov 11, 2001, 2:32 pm > > Hello all > > On vital records - christening has been recorded in - > Associate Session > Associate Congregation > Which church would they worship at please. > I cannot find any marriages for these peoples? > > Be grateful for any help > Thank you > Tonita Lawrie > > >

Hi Wondered if anybody had come across a family Crawford in Edinburgh James Crawford married a Ann Crawford in Edinburgh They had children Ann born 1857 May born 1859 James born 1869 John Anderson born 1871 David Anderson born 1874 all born in Edinburgh Any information on this family would be much appreciated. Marjorie

Hello all On vital records - christening has been recorded in - Associate Session Associate Congregation Which church would they worship at please. I cannot find any marriages for these peoples? Be grateful for any help Thank you Tonita Lawrie

-----Original Message----- From: Shirley Mitchell [mailto:Shirley@mitchjar.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2001 11:13 a.m. To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EDB] James Clark Hello fellow listers Would SKS be able to do a look up on the 1841 and/or 1851 census for James CLARK with the following family James Clark - age unknown etc (according to opr marriage in Tranent 1833 was of the parish) Martha CLARK - wife - born 1808 Glasgow Janet Clark - dau - born 1834 Yester, Haddingtonshire Martha Clark - dau - born 1837 Prestonkirk, H Charlotte Clark - dau - born 1840 Prestonkirk Robina Clark - dau - born 1846 Gladsmuir there was a son Richard Clark born 1852 in Humbie which may be where they were in 1851 but not guaranteed I suppose - and there may have been another I have a real sad reason for wanting to find James in that he carried a hereditary disease and died shortly after Richard was born. The disease is now known as Familial Adenomatous Polyposis ( bowel cancer then) EVERY one of the above children died of it, all but one before having children of their own. Charlotte had 4 children before dying of it at the age of 37. her children all died of it again before having had children, except one - James SANDERSON. James had 2 children and then died of it at the age of 36! He had a son, James (died without having children at the age of 34) and a daughter Davina (my grandmother) who managed to have one daughter (my mother) before dying at the age of 37. My mother had myself and my brother before dying at 41. My brother died 4 years ago when he was only 29 (no children) - I am, however still very much alive, even though I have the disease and have had my bowel removed etc and I am now 41!! I have had 5 children of which only one has inhe! rited the disease (my eldest) the others have been genetically tested and are clear. YIPPEE!!! My reason for sharing this with you is not for pity (who need's it!) but to highlight why I first started researching my family history some 10 years or so ago - I wanted to find out why nobody picked up this trail of destruction beforehand and now I have started I can't stop! SO - I would love to follow James CLARK back further to see just where this disease started - I know it will become harder as the OPR burial records won't have cause of death as such but the age (if given) will help a little in determining whether they were a possible carrier. Sorry for going on!! It's a bit like my brick wall I suppose, never ending! TIA Regards Shirley

Researching the below *****David OGILVY (Painter) of Edinburgh who married Catharina SPENCE on 2nd July 1801 at Tolbooth Church Parish Edinburgh *****Alexander OGILVY born 17th November 1802 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland, married 1835 to Isabella WILLIAMSON *****David OGILVY born 26 Jun 1804 Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland married 9 Sep 1841 Australia to Elizabeth Aitchison WILLIAMSON *****William Spence OGILVY born 28/12/1806, Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland *****John Spence OGILVY born 1806 Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland *****Catharine OGILVY born 16/12/1808, Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland *****Thomas Davidson OGILVY born 1/10/1813 Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland *****Catharine OGILVY born 7/3/1811 Edinburgh Parish Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland, married 16/07/1850 to John WOOD-BEILBY *****Isobella BATHGATE born 1870, married 11 Sep 1805 to James WILLIAMSON at Old Church Parish Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland *****James Williamson OGILVY married 1852 to Elizabeth Charlotte HOWE, then married 1892 to Alice Olive Nelson, then married 1909 to Jean Emily CARMICHAEL ****************************************** Any Scottish Edinburgh family information, especially on David and Catharina would be appreciated Regards, Colin Darby Australia colnet@optusnet.com.au --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 1/11/2001

Thanks. A little confused by the 2nd sentence. I passed West Richmond Street (off Nicolson Sreet- is this the same as The Bridges?) last time I was in Edinburgh. I am up again this w/e. Richmond Lane & Richmond Place are nearby. East Richmond Street (or Richmond's Street.) - the address I'm after- might perhaps have been nearby. Do you know if the area was ever partially redeveloped? Do you know if it was ever where all the baker's hoses/shops were? James Forman, Baker was married from there in 1780. "My" James Forman born 1751 in Kincardine-in-Menteith (became WS in Edinburgh in 1784) was from a family of bakers in Stirlings. & Clackmannans. ==== Angela Boon gave me a good site :<http://www.ebs.hw.ac.uk/STREETS/part2/a.htm> which has the ff. (but doesn't give the location!):- <Armstrong's map 1773. Ainslie 1780. Shows only Richmond St. running N.E. and S.W. South Richmond St. nearly completed 8/2/1794, eec.j.s. Ainslie 1804, N. and S. Richmond Streets, and Richmond St. running E. & W. Richmond Lane shewn as Back Row. James Richmond land surveyor, made plan of lands in Pleasance, touching property of Wm. Gilmour, tanner, and Oliver Gilmour, currier, 25 Dec, 1769, on west side of road made by Nicolas Dick, spouse of Wm. Hall, merchant, through their park in Pleasance, Reg. 12/7/1858, as Richmond, land surveyor, Grassmarket, p.w. 1773-4 1780-1> Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ChristisonMags@aol.com [SMTP:ChristisonMags@aol.com] Sent: 08 November 2001 18:29 To: Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk Subject: Re: [EDB] East Richmond Street or Richmond's Street. << File: ATT00009.html >> Just read your first email. Richmond Street is part of Newington on the south side of Edinburgh. Parts of it are very up market but Richmond Street is in the poorer part just off the Bridges. Again let me know if you need anymore info as i live quite near it! Margaret

Ian, Thanks for that. My relation's address was 1, Adelphi Place, Leith Links (from where his brother wrote the invitations to his funeral in 1846 at St Cuthbert's-to about 150 people including an Earl and a Lord!). It is also written in family correspondence as Leith Links South. Isn't it stretching Leith somewhat to include Portobello? Perhaps there used to be another Adelphi Place. I am now certain the George Forman, Wine Merchant, Adelphi Place is NOT the same as the George Forman, Publican, (Levenhall) although close contemporaries. I'm in Leith this w/e so will look at your mum's house. Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ITSmall@aol.com [SMTP:ITSmall@aol.com] Sent: 08 November 2001 15:27 To: Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk; Subject: Re: [EDB] 1 ADELPHI PLACE, LEITH LINKS and LEVEN HALL << File: ATT00006.html >> Hello Andrew, There was (and still is) an Adelphi Place in Portobello. My Mother was born there in 1902 and my Grandmother lived in the same house (No 11) until her death in 1956. The house still stands - at least it did in May of this year! I think that No 1 may also still be there, but not sure. Could possibly be your Adelphi Place. Regards, Ian

Dear Ella, Thanks. This information has enabled me to correct two assumptions I had made. Please see the List for the first. The second is that I think it very likely that the John Forman "Salt Manufacturer" from the Census [see below]born about 1852 in Inveresk is a brother of the Charles Forman "Salt Manufacturer" born about 1840 in Inveresk. He married Jane Cleuch Marshall in Tranent and had kids (whose eldest son was George) in Cockenzie. I had thought James Charles Forman BA Oxon (in Sciences), born in 1840 in Edinburgh- my relation, whose parents lived at Eskhill, Inveresk- was this person. Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ella Ross [SMTP:rosse@ihug.com.au] Sent: 08 November 2001 23:11 To: Subject: [EDB] Forman/ LEVEN HALL Hi List I got this from the 1881 Census and it appears to link(!) in with the info from Andrew Forman and John D. Stevenson. Ella Ross in lovely cool Sydney, just feels like a" no' bad at all" day in Glasgow. Dwelling: Levenhall Census Place: Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224013 GRO Ref Volume 689 EnumDist 1 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Marion FORMAN W 75 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Publican John FORMAN U 29 M Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Salt Manufact Ann FORMAN U 44 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Bethia FORMAN U 38 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur > 1) 1, Adelphi Place, Leith Links. George Forman, Wine Merchant died there > in 1846. I have an idea this was some kind of architectural experiment and > not ice there is a "Vanbrugh Hermitage" now on Leith Links. > 2) Leven Hall. A George Forman is listed in the Edinburgh & Leith PO > directory for 1842-1843 as follows: Forman, George, publican, Leven Hall. > Was there an old Leven Hall East of Leith?

Would it be reasonable to assume there can't have been more than one Salt Manufacturer in Tranent in the 1880s?! Or perhaps Tranent was centre of a Scottish Gold Rush - but for salt?! The Formans that did the manufacturing seem to be the sons of the Mrs Forman of the Levenhall pub. Not my lot. Any Industrial Historians out there? Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk

Dear John, Thanks for that. I am now certain the George Forman, Wine Merchant, Adelphi Place is NOT the same as the George Forman, Publican, (Levenhall) although close contemporaries. The first married Elisabeth Gairdner Richardson: the second seems to have predeceased Mrs Forman (according to the '81 census Marion Forman, a widow, was publican at Levenhall, aged 75, with children ). The IGI has a Marion Bowman marrying George Forman in 1826 and having those children. Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk Does anyone know anything of these addresses (in 1846 and 1842/1843)?: (neither seem to exist now) 1) 1, Adelphi Place, Leith Links. George Forman, Wine Merchant died there in 1846. I have an idea this was some kind of architectural experiment and notice there is a "Vanbrugh Hermitage" now on Leith Links. 2) Leven Hall. A George Forman is listed in the Edinburgh & Leith PO directory for 1842-1843 as follows: Forman, George, publican, Leven Hall. Was there an old Leven Hall East of Leith? I think George is probably one and the same person. <Hello andrew, If you look at the current maps you will find Levenhall lies at the eastern boundary of Musselburgh racecourse and golf course, some six miles east of Leith Links. In the 1852 P.O. Directory a Mrs Forman is shown as being an inkeeper at Levenhall and to this day there is still a public house, there, known as "Mrs Formans".( The pub is adjacent to the racecourse) Levenhall , although it lies within the boundary of Musselburgh and is in East Lothian, was until the nineteen fifties the terminus of the Edinburgh Corporation tram and bus services. Regards. John D. Stevenson. Cool, bright, 6C, Edinburgh.>

Hello Listers I am trying to find out about Eliza Henderson born Edinburgh about 1831. I know nothing about her early life or about her family but, once married, she ended up living at Brindley Ford, Staffs. after having lived in West Bromwich, Staffs. where her children were born. She married a John Perks of West Brom. Any info or advice would be more than welcome. Thanks, Yvonne, Anglesey, North Wales

Steve: Finding names the same as your own in Black's won't trace your ancestors. Start with your 2 parents, and obtain documentation (birth, marriage and death certificates). Then do the same for your 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, 16 gg-grandparents, etc. In the course of your research, you may come across the names you found in Black's, but if not, it mearly means that they have the same name as you, not that you are related. Good luck with your search. Eileen > Looking for info on Deas families. > > Lord Deas > > > Sir David Deas > > Lt Col. A Deas > > George Deas > > Charles Deas > > If any one has info please get in touch have lots of > small bits of info but need to find links.

Hi Folks, Looking for info on Deas families. Lord Deas Sir David Deas Lt Col. A Deas George Deas Charles Deas If any one has info please get in touch have lots of small bits of info but need to find links. yours Steve __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

Hi Everyone, I am interested to find out more about the family of my great great grandfather John BURN (1815-1885) and his wife Mary DICKSON (1817-1893). John was a stonemason who from c.1849 was a clerk at Hailes Quarry in Colinton. In 1871 he was described as Superintendent of Hailes Quarry. The children of John and Mary BURN (all born in Edinburgh) were:- 1) Isabella BURN b.1840; m.1875 to John Bowden LAKE in Invercargill, New Zealand. John LAKE died in 1878 and I don't know what happened to Isabella. I can't find a remarriage nor death for her in New Zealand, maybe she returned to Edinburgh. 2) Thomas BURN b.1842; no further information 3) Lewis Alexander Wallace BURN b.1843; with family in 1861 census; no further information 4) Archibald BURN b.1845; emigrated to New Zealand c.1867 --> my line 5) William Thomas BURN b.1849; 1871 with family at Hailes Quarry, described as an architect; no further information 6) John Robert BURN b.1851; died 1878 7) David Laing BURN b.1853; d.1893 Edinburgh; married Lizzie BRENNAN or BRANNAN after 1881; marriage record not found 8) Roseanna Jessie Laing BURN b.1856; m.1887 Thomas D. PETRIE 9) Mary Eliza BURN b.1859; d.1872 I would particularly like to find out more about the children I have no further information on, and would love to hear from anyone interested in this family. Regards, Linda Hansen Researching:- BURN, Dalkeith & Cockenzie, MLN 1700+ BURN, Edinburgh 1750+ BURN, Otago, New Zealand 1865+ Jane/Jean CURRIE, born c.1816 MLN DICKSON, Lanark & Edinburgh 1770+ GILBERT, Edinburgh 1750+ LAING, Newton, MLN 1750+ PATERSON, Dalkieth 1700+

Hello fellow listers Would SKS be able to do a look up on the 1841 and/or 1851 census for James CLARK with the following family James Clark - age unknown etc (according to opr marriage in Tranent 1833 was of the parish) Martha CLARK - wife - born 1808 Glasgow Janet Clark - dau - born 1834 Yester, Haddingtonshire Martha Clark - dau - born 1837 Prestonkirk, H Charlotte Clark - dau - born 1840 Prestonkirk Robina Clark - dau - born 1846 Gladsmuir there was a son Richard Clark born 1852 in Humbie which may be where they were in 1851 but not guaranteed I suppose - and there may have been another I have a real sad reason for wanting to find James in that he carried a hereditary disease and died shortly after Richard was born. The disease is now known as Familial Adenomatous Polyposis ( bowel cancer then) EVERY one of the above children died of it, all but one before having children of their own. Charlotte had 4 children before dying of it at the age of 37. her children all died of it again before having had children, except one - James SANDERSON. James had 2 children and then died of it at the age of 36! He had a son, James (died without having children at the age of 34) and a daughter Davina (my grandmother) who managed to have one daughter (my mother) before dying at the age of 37. My mother had myself and my brother before dying at 41. My brother died 4 years ago when he was only 29 (no children) - I am, however still very much alive, even though I have the disease and have had my bowel removed etc and I am now 41!! I have had 5 children of which only one has inhe! rited the disease (my eldest) the others have been genetically tested and are clear. YIPPEE!!! My reason for sharing this with you is not for pity (who need's it!) but to highlight why I first started researching my family history some 10 years or so ago - I wanted to find out why nobody picked up this trail of destruction beforehand and now I have started I can't stop! SO - I would love to follow James CLARK back further to see just where this disease started - I know it will become harder as the OPR burial records won't have cause of death as such but the age (if given) will help a little in determining whether they were a possible carrier. Sorry for going on!! It's a bit like my brick wall I suppose, never ending! TIA Regards Shirley

What an amazing story. Sorry I can't help but very best of luck with your search..............Elaine, California In a message dated 11/9/01 2:15:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, Shirley@mitchjar.freeserve.co.uk writes: > I have a real sad reason for wanting to find James in that he carried a > hereditary disease and died shortly after Richard was born. The disease is > now known as Familial Adenomatous Polyposis ( bowel cancer then) EVERY one > of the above children died of it, all but one before having children of > their own. Charlotte had 4 children before dying of it at the age of 37. > her children all died of it again before having had children, except one - > James SANDERSON. James had 2 children and then died of it at the age of 36! > He had a son, James (died without having children at the age of 34) and a > daughter Davina (my grandmother) who managed to have one daughter (my > mother) before dying at the age of 37. My mother had myself and my brother > before dying at 41. My brother died 4 years ago when he was only 29 (no > children) - I am, however still very much alive, even though I have the > disease and have had my bowel removed etc and I am now 41!! I have had 5 > children of which only one has inhe! > rited the disease (my eldest) the others have been genetically tested and > are clear. YIPPEE!!! > >

Hi List I got this from the 1881 Census and it appears to link(!) in with the info from Andrew Forman and John D. Stevenson. Ella Ross in lovely cool Sydney, just feels like a" no' bad at all" day in Glasgow. Dwelling: Levenhall Census Place: Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224013 GRO Ref Volume 689 EnumDist 1 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Marion FORMAN W 75 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Publican John FORMAN U 29 M Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Salt Manufact Ann FORMAN U 44 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Bethia FORMAN U 38 F Inveresk, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur > 1) 1, Adelphi Place, Leith Links. George Forman, Wine Merchant died there > in 1846. I have an idea this was some kind of architectural experiment and > not ice there is a "Vanbrugh Hermitage" now on Leith Links. > 2) Leven Hall. A George Forman is listed in the Edinburgh & Leith PO > directory for 1842-1843 as follows: Forman, George, publican, Leven Hall. > Was there an old Leven Hall East of Leith? > > > Hello andrew, > If you look at the current maps you will find Levenhall lies at the eastern > boundary of Musselburgh racecourse and golf course, some six miles east of > Leith Links. > In the 1852 P.O. Directory a Mrs Forman is shown as being an inkeeper at > Levenhall and to this day there is still a public house, there, known as > "Mrs Formans".( The pub is adjacent to the racecourse) > Levenhall , although it lies within the boundary of Musselburgh and is in > East Lothian, was until the nineteen fifties the terminus of the Edinburgh > Corporation tram and bus services. > Regards. > John D. Stevenson. > Cool, bright, 6C, Edinburgh. > >

John D. Stevenson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A G Forman" <Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: [EDB] 1 ADELPHI PLACE, LEITH LINKS and LEVEN HALL Does anyone know anything of these addresses (in 1846 and 1842/1843)?: (neither seem to exist now) 1) 1, Adelphi Place, Leith Links. George Forman, Wine Merchant died there in 1846. I have an idea this was some kind of architectural experiment and not ice there is a "Vanbrugh Hermitage" now on Leith Links. 2) Leven Hall. A George Forman is listed in the Edinburgh & Leith PO directory for 1842-1843 as follows: Forman, George, publican, Leven Hall. Was there an old Leven Hall East of Leith? I think George is probably one and the same person. Andrew Forman Royal Oak Yard, Skipton, BD23 1NP +44 1756 701501 Forman@royaloakyard.freeserve.co.uk Hello andrew, If you look at the current maps you will find Levenhall lies at the eastern boundary of Musselburgh racecourse and golf course, some six miles east of Leith Links. In the 1852 P.O. Directory a Mrs Forman is shown as being an inkeeper at Levenhall and to this day there is still a public house, there, known as "Mrs Formans".( The pub is adjacent to the racecourse) Levenhall , although it lies within the boundary of Musselburgh and is in East Lothian, was until the nineteen fifties the terminus of the Edinburgh Corporation tram and bus services. Regards. John D. Stevenson. Cool, bright, 6C, Edinburgh.