could you quote us the words in their context, with date please? Coriar *might* be "carrier" or 'currier'. Judy ---------- >From: "richrob4" <richrob4@home.com> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] Occupations >Date: Thu, Dec 13, 2001, 1:15 pm > > Hi Listers! > I'm hoping one of you can help me with the following two occupations: > 1. Coriar > 2. Douker or dooker > I think coriar has something to do with a black dye, but not sure and there > seems to be several meanings of douk or dook. > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Richard Robertson > >

Judy: Both occupations are from "The Edinburgh Marriage Register, 1595 - 1700. Coriar: ,, Margaret [Aitkin]; Andrew Russell, coriar 16 Nov. 1643 " George [Anderson], coriar ; Magdalene Clerk 21 May 1646 etc. Douker: " William [Haddington], douker ; Catharine Alison 12 Mar. 1687 I have only run across one entry for "douker." My "The Concise Scots Dictionary" has a number of meanings for "dook/douk." relating to ducks, bathing and mining. Coriar, or anything like it doesn't occur in my Scots dictionary, but Webster's unabridged has "corium" from the Latin for leather in relation to the derivation of the name Coriaria (Latin) for a plant used to make a black dye in Europe. A leather dyer? Any help greatly appreciated. Richard Robertson

Thanks Elinor I have this info and was hoping someone would turn up something new. Carol

Hi Listers! I'm hoping one of you can help me with the following two occupations: 1. Coriar 2. Douker or dooker I think coriar has something to do with a black dye, but not sure and there seems to be several meanings of douk or dook. Any help greatly appreciated. Richard Robertson

G'day Cobbers, Am researching my McLEAN ancestry and have the following: Descendants of Elspet DEAN & Charles McLEAN 1. Charles McLEAN, b. 15 Sep 1860, Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Mary CLARK). // Married after banns according to the forms of the United Free Church. The Minister was James Crichton. The witnesses were John Dean and Jeannie B McLean. // Occupation: Blacksmith (Journeyman). // 1901 Census Dwelling: 3 Greenside Row Census Place: Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland Source: Reg. Distict No. 685/2 Enumerator's No. 006 Page No. 002 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles McLEAN M 40 M Garmouth, Moray, Scotland Elsie McLEAN M 42 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland William McLEAN 10 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Charles McLEAN 8 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Bella McLEAN 7 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Alexander McLEAN 5 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland John McLEAN 4 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Ann HAY 3 F Garmouth, Moray, Scotland . He married Elspet (Elsie) DEAN, 24 Jun 1892, in 51 Church Street, Elgin, Scotland, b. circa 1859, (daughter of Alexander DEAN and Isabella MELVIN). Children: i William McLEAN, b. circa 1891, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. ii Charles McLEAN, b. 01 Feb 1893, 51 South Street, Elgin, Scotland. iii Bella McLEAN, b. circa 1894, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. iv Alexander McLEAN, b. circa 1896, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. v John McLEAN, b. circa 1897, Elgin, Elgin, Scotland I have a lot of data on the Aussie side of this line and would am looking for descendants from this line. Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, UK. BALDWIN - Kent, UK>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, UK BIRCH - Yorkshire, UK> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ EDWARDS - Cornwall, UK. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, UK>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, UK. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), UK REYNOLDS - Cornwall, UK. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, UK. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html

Hi Listers I am researching the SOUNESS family and seeking information on John SOUNESS (Timber Merchant) married Janet KERR on 21 December 1869 at Alfred Place Canonhills, Edinburgh. They had three children Mary SOUNESS b. 1870 Adam SOUNESS b. 1872 William Kerr SOUNESS b. 1874. Best Wishes Joe Muir

Hi Carol: There is George Sutter, Corn Miller Age 23 Born England on the 1881 census for Dalkeith, Edinburgh. Mother Robina Sutter Widow age 40, Birthplace, Dalkeith. Dwelling, Roberton Close. Elinor. Carol Warren wrote: > Could someone please do a look up for the Sutter family for me? > > George Sutter, occ. Corn miller, and Helen (nee) Smith at 174 Scotland > Street, Glasgow (1890 address) > or 67 Seamore Street, Glasgow (1893 address) > > I would also be interested in any other Sutters to help me find George's > family, he came from Dalkeith. > > Many thanks > Carol

Could someone please do a look up for the Sutter family for me? George Sutter, occ. Corn miller, and Helen (nee) Smith at 174 Scotland Street, Glasgow (1890 address) or 67 Seamore Street, Glasgow (1893 address) I would also be interested in any other Sutters to help me find George's family, he came from Dalkeith. Many thanks Carol

Hi, I am new to this list and have two families I am looking for who were in the Edinburgh area in 1841. They are : Francis & Barbara Law with children Elizabeth, Barbara, Susan Robina, Isabella & Susanah. Also Neil & Isabella MacKay with children William, Janet, John & Jean. I'd love to know if these are familiar to anyone. Barbara

Hi, my first posting north of the border. I am trying to find how I can to make contact with the Scottish Society of Anaesthetists. My grandfather, John Herbert GIBBS, was an early member and President in 1923. I would guess the Society would still exist and would be based in Edinburgh. Any help greatly appreciated. Peter Gibbs, way south in New Zealand.

The Portobello Reporter Winter 2001 (Quarterly) -- A Safe Find! A few weeks ago I discovered an old safe in the basement of Duddingston Manse. It was large and very difficult to move. It was also in the way! The problem was that it was locked and there was no key. I asked around but no one seemed to have clue what might be inside. So, we employed a safe cracker to open the door. Inside was a treasure trove of old documents and church memorabilia. From the items that were dated we worked out that the safe had been locked since 1983. All the documents have now been lodged with the archivist including a volume titled, "Account of assessments in the support of the poor of the parish of Duddingston beginning 1833". This lists by name those receiving monies from the parish in the days before pensions, unemployment benefit and social security. Also listed are the following legacies left to the poor of Portobello: "Legacy left to the poor of Portobello by Mr Glen in 1845, late Minister of Portobello £102 8s 11d; Captain Barclay in 1847 of Portobello £50 0s 0d; Robert Scott of Mountlodge in 1850, Chairman of the Parochial Board of Duddingston £118 0s 3d." A fascinating series of documents reveals that a stormy debate took place in the years immediately following the Great War concerning the proposed memorial to honour the 29 men from the parish of Duddingston and the landward areas who fell in that terrible conflict. Many thought a remodelling of the Kirk Door, of which the original drawings survive, was an unsuitable War Memorial. The opponents of this scheme wanted to see a cross as a memorial and more fitting symbol of sacrifice. The safe also contained two curiously designed Alms Plates (see above), probably made in Belgium in the early part of the 17th century. On one there is a representation of Adam and Eve, and on the other the return of the spies from Canaan, carrying a pole draped with enormous clusters of grapes. By whom these plates were gifted, or when they came into the country we can' t say. For the past 18 years no one has seen them. If anyone has any information about them I would like to hear from you. It pays to have an inquisitive mind! I am only pleased that we decided to open the safe before we disposed of it. Rev'd Dr James A. P. Jack, Minister of Duddingston Kirk -- Books George Baird's 'Places of Entertainment in Edinburgh - Part 4 - Portobello' is a real must for people interested in the history of the area. Packed within its 48 pages are gems of information such as 'As early as 1806-07 Portobello enjoyed the rather doubtful advantage of having a good many public houses or 'Inns', mostly in the High street'. Oh how little has changed! This booklet can acquired by contacting George F. Baird on [0131] 661 1618. -- We want to hear from you Copy deadline for the next issue is 2nd February 2002. Send you contributions to 9 Bedford Terr, EH15 2EJ, or put them in the box provided at Portobello Library, ... or e-mail: portobelloreporter@talk21.com -- regards Angi Edinburgh Angi.Lamb@ed.ac.uk researching GLOVER, CARMICHAEL or CURRIE, STODDART, MERCER, BISSET, DICKSON, DICK, (AITKEN, WRIGHT), YOUNG in Midlothian (Edinburgh/ Lasswade/ Loanhead/ Roslin) CARRUTHERS, HISLOP, MCGREGOR, CROLL, RUPPERTI, HETHERINGTON in Midlothian (Edinburgh) HORN(E), POW in East Lothian (Tranent/Cockenzie)

I am new to this list and am looking for anyone who may have a link to the above.ROBERT JOHNSTON, coalminer aged 21 wed a MARY MEENEY aged 22 in St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Coatbridge on 03/09/1874. Robert's parents were a John Johnston and Mary (nee Aitken) while Mary's parents were a John Meeney and Margaret (nee Flynn). Robert and Mary had children: Margaret Johnston b 1876; Robert Johnston b 1879; James Johnston b 1880, d 1886; Mary Johnston b 1884; William Johnston b 1885; Annie Flynn Johnston b 1888 and Andrew Johnston b 1891. Robert is the one remaining sibling of my grandfather Andrew Johnston (b 1862) that I have not been able to trace after the 1891 Census. After advertising in the Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser I have found 4 new cousins but Robert's kin continues to be elusive. Here's Hoping Danny Kerr in Australia

Williamina LOCKIE possible married name HENDERSON was still alive in 1955. She is mentioned in a document,& I have the address, in Edinburgh. I believe that she was related to William LOCKIE Police sergeant from Berwick, who retired to, & died in Edinburgh 1959. Was she a daughter, or neice ? Do these names sound familar to any researchers. Mary

Hello Mary, I have a directory "Family History Knowledge UK 1991" ( so it is already 10 years old .) There's someone looking for LOCKIE in Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, who's researched them from 1831 to 1896. He is also researching HENDERSON at Durham, with a question mark ? beside Durham, & has information on them from 1850-1929. Is his postal address any use to you ? Can I suggest you also try the Northum. & Dur. List ? Best wishes, Genny. ----- Original Message ----- From: legarthm <legarthm@levin.pl.net> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: [EDB] Williamina LOCKIE or HENDERSON > Williamina LOCKIE possible married name HENDERSON was still alive in 1955. > She is mentioned in a document,& I have the address, in Edinburgh. > I believe that she was related to William LOCKIE Police sergeant from Berwick, who retired to, & died in Edinburgh 1959. Was she a daughter, or neice ? > Do these names sound familar to any researchers. > Mary >

>From the Dec 7 2001 edition of the Edinburgh Evening News http://www.edinburghnews.com/news.cfm (search for Crabbie) Firm hunts for Crabbie people A LOTHIAN firm is looking to its Leith roots to mark the 200th birthday of one of its products. Broxburn-based MacDonald and Muir Ltd want to find surviving members of the Crabbie family to celebrate their ancestors' Green Ginger Wine. John MacRabbie (or MacRobbie), who fought at Culloden and then dropped the "Mac" from his name to avoid persecution, moved to Leith in the 18th century and set up a grocery business. In 1801 the business really took off when Crabbie's Green Ginger Wine, made from a secret family recipe, became an instant success. The family sold the business to Distillers Company Limited in 1963 and, in 1993, MacDonald and Muir Ltd, Glenmorangie's owner, took over. Lorna McMillan, Crabbie's brand manager, explained: " We've produced a special edition bottle and we would love to track down any of the Crabbie family and give them a case." Regards Angi Lamb -- Edinburgh Angi.Lamb@ed.ac.uk researching GLOVER, CARMICHAEL or CURRIE, STODDART, MERCER, BISSET, DICKSON, DICK, (AITKEN, WRIGHT), YOUNG in Midlothian (Edinburgh/ Lasswade/ Loanhead/ Roslin) CARRUTHERS, HISLOP, MCGREGOR, CROLL, RUPPERTI, HETHERINGTON in Midlothian (Edinburgh) HORN(E), POW in East Lothian (Tranent/Cockenzie)

Hi all, I am new to this list, most of my DOBSON's are from the Yorkshire area, but my g/g/grandfather it seems was born in Edinburgh. He is John DOBSON b 1818 in Edinburgh, married to Faith CHAPMAN b 1819, in Scalby, Yorkshire, married in Hull in 1845. They had 4 children Edward b 1846 Edinburgh, John William b 1848, Scarborough, Charles b 1855, Scarborough, and Oratio, b 1862, Scarborough. Would anybody have any of these people in their family tree. Unfortunately I haven't any idea of where in Edinburgh John DOBSON might have been born. The only other information that I have of him from the 1881 census, is that he formally was a draper Could SKS help me with this please, and put me in the right direction. Thanks in anticipation Harry in sunny N.Z.

Am looking for information regarding Violet HENDERSON born 1 Sept 1857 at Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland. She possibly married Jack Wilson in 1880 or 1881. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Carolyn Wilkinson

I think I have found Theophile in 1881 "Royal Edinburgh Asylum" for Western Dept Edinburgh St Cuthberts FHL film 0223989 GRO ref vol 685-1 Enum dist 10 Page 3 Theophile THENVENEAU patient occup: sailor unmarried 46 male born Edinburgh, Edinburgh Scotland (ie Edinburgh in the county of Edinburgh) lunatic bearing all this in mind I would not be too sure about the details given. there were a lot of patients and can we be sure the person giving the details was careful to check all their marital statuses and places of birth? I dont think so! ;-) This was one of only two entries for this given name in Lowland Scotland. If you go to www.scots-origins.com and check the free surname search you will find: Results showing the number of records with surname Theveneau between 1553 and 1899 in each dataset: Scots Origins dataset No. of records Old Parish Record Births/Christenings (1553-1854) 0 Old Parish Record Marriages (1553-1854) 0 Statutory Index Births (1855-1899) 3 Statutory Index Marriages (1855-1899) 0 Statutory Index Deaths (1855-1924) 1 1881 Census 0 1891 Census 0 Total 4 I did another search with a wildcard, and picked up an extra result in the 1881 census - presumably poor Theophile, and then a third wider search as follows Surname search results Results showing the number of records with surname Thev* between 1553 and 1899 in each dataset: Scots Origins dataset No. of records Old Parish Record Births/Christenings (1553-1854) 0 Old Parish Record Marriages (1553-1854) 0 Statutory Index Births (1855-1899) 3 Statutory Index Marriages (1855-1899) 0 Statutory Index Deaths (1855-1924) 1 1881 Census 7 1891 Census 4 Total 15 It looks possible that Jean BLAIKIE and Theophile did not marry. But I think it would be worth investing six quid in a search of the Scots Origins info, especially as some of the census images can now be viewed on line. Unfortunately the 7 entries in 1881 turned out to be a family called THEVY. Finally, what is the source for Isadore's birth details and what year was he born? By interrogating the index further I found that 2 THEVENEAU births occurred in the years 1870-72, a death in 1873 and a birth in 1874. Happy hunting Judy ---------- >From: JOAN272741@aol.com >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] BLAIKIE/THEVENEAU >Date: Mon, Dec 3, 2001, 3:50 pm > > Jean BLAIKIE and Theophile Tancrede THEVENEAU were parents of > Isadore Emilien THEVENEAU. > I cannot find the family on the 1881 census. Can SKS look on the 1872 census > for me? > I have come to an absolute dead end so I would be eternally grateful for a > clue > > Joan Carter > >

April 1920 William MURRAY age 28yrs. living 15 Meadowbank Tc., marr. Euphemia ( Phemie) Dodds MONTGOMERY age 29 31 Milton St. His parents Robert Graham MURRAY, & Hannah m.s. STODDART , her parents Peter MONTGOMERY & Helen m.s. DOD(D)DS . witnesses John Douglas Murray, & marion ( May ) Montgomery Do these names sound familiar to you ? I really need some sort of lead. Did they have children ? Where did they move to, as the death of Euphemia has not been found. Mary

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