Happy New Year, Just reposting my only known Edinburgh connection - Robert FINLAYSON was living at Craig House, Craiglochart in 1874 - he was a gardener and had at least 6 sons, one of whom was Andrew Hunter FINLAYSON. Hoping to find a long lost cousin or two. Kay, Umina Beach Australia "Whatever is, is right." Alexander Pope

I am trying to find out about a marriage of John Robertson Cameron which I believe would have been circa 1840-1850. he was born 1818 in Edinburgh, son of either Simon or Hugh Cameron and Barbara Fraser. Please is there anyone on this list who would also be able to look up the census for 1841 and 1851. Thank you.

Researching the following surnames :- YOUNG Burutisland, Connected to Young's Brewery Edinborough KEITH Edinborough TIA Hilda in Australia.

Happy New Year All!!!! Thought this was a good time to repost my interests in the hope there might be some connections. Peter McPhilips m Catherine McCall - Edinburgh 1832 Mathew Philip m Violet Hunter - Melrose 1859 Mathew Philip m Janet Dodds White - Selkirk 1874 George Soutar/Sutter m Robina Lindsay Kerr - Dalkeith 1853 Alexander Kerr m Margaret Paterson - Dalkeith 1826 George Sutter m Helen Smith - Dalkeith 1882 Andrew Smith (Deans) m Elizabeth Murray - Hawick 1855 Peter Deans m Isabella Elliot - Roberton, Rox. 1810? William McQueen m Jean Martin - Barony, Lanark. 1852 Hope you can help. Good luck with your own search. Carol

here is another consideration My grandfather was Duncan Macrae OLSEN. I searched for Macrae for his grandfather but in fact he was Duncan McRae. The change may have been because it was used as a middle name,ie D M OLSEN. Judy ---------- >From: Sheila225@aol.com >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [EDB] McDonald, Malcolm >Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2002, 4:19 pm > > Keep in mind that clerks > who were recording information didn't ask how to spell the name - but used > the convention with which they were familiar.

hello Dawn if you can supply a date, then assuming the company was in business for 50 years previously, there is a very good chance that someone might find them in a trade directory or some other kind of reference. There were a lot of department stores along Princes Street so the business might have been subsumed into one of those. Always a chance that company records have been lodged with a library so try www.hmc.gov.uk (national register of archives) and nls.ac.uk The National Library of Scotland Judy ---------- >From: FamilysPast@cs.com >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] Re: A. Watt& Sons, sadler/harness makers >Date: Fri, Jan 4, 2002, 5:19 pm > > Hello listers and Happy New Year. > Does anyone have knowledge of the company called A. Watt & Sons. They were > sadlers and harness makers at 1 South Street, David Street, Edinburgh.

Hi there, I don't know anything about the business, but the name of the street is actually South St. (Saint) David Street, and the building is still in existence. Hope this helps, for what it's worth. Mags ----- Original Message ----- From: <FamilysPast@cs.com> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [EDB] Re: A. Watt& Sons, sadler/harness makers > Hello listers and Happy New Year. > Does anyone have knowledge of the company called A. Watt & Sons. They were > sadlers and harness makers at 1 South Street, David Street, Edinburgh. My > great grandfather apparently was given a gold watch for 50 years of service. > I would like to find out a little more about the company. Any suggestions?? > Thanks much > Dawn. > > Researching: > Lanark, Scotland: PARK, MCCALLUM, RICE, EDMONSTONE, STRATHERN, NEILSON, > THOMPSON, SMELLIE > Renfrew, Scotland: SMITH, MCCALLUM, GIBSON > Shetland Islands: MATHIESON, PARK, IRVINE, FORDYCE, HENDERSON > Isle of Man: MOORE, COTTIER, CURPHEY > Lancashire, England: SMITH, WATSON, MATTINSON, JACKSON, BIBBY, > Northumberland: BRUCE,SCOTT, ROBERTSON, SHORT, CLEGHORN > Suffolk: WRIGHT, SMITH, COOK(E), BURCH, WIGHTMAN > Edinburgh, Scotland: BURCH, ROBERTSON, CLEGHORN > Oxfordshire: BEERS, QUAINTON, WOODS, PRIOR > Warwickshire: BEERS > Yorkshire: SMITH, DAVY, MATTINSON, JACKSON, BURTON > Ontario, Canada: MATTHEWS, MAJOR, WORDEN, RUSHTON, COON, RUTAN > > >

Hello listers and Happy New Year. Does anyone have knowledge of the company called A. Watt & Sons. They were sadlers and harness makers at 1 South Street, David Street, Edinburgh. My great grandfather apparently was given a gold watch for 50 years of service. I would like to find out a little more about the company. Any suggestions?? Thanks much Dawn. Researching: Lanark, Scotland: PARK, MCCALLUM, RICE, EDMONSTONE, STRATHERN, NEILSON, THOMPSON, SMELLIE Renfrew, Scotland: SMITH, MCCALLUM, GIBSON Shetland Islands: MATHIESON, PARK, IRVINE, FORDYCE, HENDERSON Isle of Man: MOORE, COTTIER, CURPHEY Lancashire, England: SMITH, WATSON, MATTINSON, JACKSON, BIBBY, Northumberland: BRUCE,SCOTT, ROBERTSON, SHORT, CLEGHORN Suffolk: WRIGHT, SMITH, COOK(E), BURCH, WIGHTMAN Edinburgh, Scotland: BURCH, ROBERTSON, CLEGHORN Oxfordshire: BEERS, QUAINTON, WOODS, PRIOR Warwickshire: BEERS Yorkshire: SMITH, DAVY, MATTINSON, JACKSON, BURTON Ontario, Canada: MATTHEWS, MAJOR, WORDEN, RUSHTON, COON, RUTAN

In a message dated 1/4/02 5:02:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCT-EDINBURGH-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > This is my first posting and I am a complete newbie regarding Scottish > genealogy. I learned recently that my great grandmother was born in > Scotland. My information is very limited but hope springs eternal. > > Her name was: Elizabeth Crighton McDonald, dob abt. 1858. > Her father's name was: Malcolm McDonald > > My first question will show my complete ignorance. Were Mc and Mac used > interchangeably or were records fairly strict to keep them separate? Although there are a number of theories about different meanings for "Mc" versus "Mac", in my experience (I have LOTS of Mcs/Macs in my family tree) they are interchangeable until fairly recent times. Keep in mind that clerks who were recording information didn't ask how to spell the name - but used the convention with which they were familiar. > I ask because I found an Elizabeth MACDonald, daughter of a Malcolm. In the > 1881 census there's a Malcolm MACDonald of the appropriate age married to a > Jane Mitchell. One of their daughters was Isabella. My great grandmother > named > her first daughter Elizabeth Isabella. > This is certainly possible. The best way to be sure is to obtain the death record for your G-grandmother to see if her parents names are listed. From you email address, I assume that you live in the US, and conclude that your Ggrandmother would have emigrated to the US sometime after 1881 - if this is so, you could also look for immigration records which could give you a port of departure and possibly some additional information about the Scottish family. (It wasn't clear if you knew that she was born in Edinburgh or if you wrote to the Edinburgh list because of the census listing which you found.) Also, the fact that her "middle" name is Crighton suggests that it may have been a family surname. It was not unusual to use a mother's maiden name or a grandmother maiden name as a middle name to signify who she had been named after. BTW, there is also a birth record in the IGI for this same Elizabeth (see below). The complete entry will provide additional information - such as marriage date for the parents, father's occupation etc. Elizabeth MACDONALD Sex: F Event(s): Birth: 2 Oct 1858 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Parents: Father: Malcolm MACDONALD Mother: Jane MITCHELL Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type C116851 1855-1862 <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=filmhitlist&columns=*%2C180%2C0&filmno=6035516">6035516</A> REGISTER Film ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------ good luck, Sheila

Jan 4 Dear Listers, I'd like to publicly thank Gwenda, Diane and Ella for their informative responses. I think we're on to something here! I'm glad to know that "Mc" and "Mac" are used interchangeably and that Jean and Jane and Jessie are used interchangeably. Below is the information about my great grandmother that appears to be correct and about the family from which it appears she came. I'm also including what I know of her marriage etc. I hope this lengthy note is not inappropriate to the purpose of the list. Elizabeth Crighton McDonald: dob Oct 2 1858, Edinburgh Father: Malcolm McDonald Mother: Jane Mitchell 1881 British census (note: dates of birth provided by a lister) 65 York Place Edinburgh St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Malcolm MacDonald, 69, Army pensioner, born in Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Jane MacDonald, wife, 58, born in Dysart, Fife, Scotland Isabella MacDonald, daughter, 28 (Oct 21 1851) Ceylon <-I assume this is the country that is now Sri Lanka and not Ceylon, Scotland. Is this possible??? Margaret MacDonald, daughter, 23 (Dec 30, 1855), St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Malcolm MacDonald, son, apprentice clerk to SSC, 16 (Feb 21, 1865) , St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland David WELLS, boarder, 37, M, Kirriemuir, Forfar, Scotland, fishing tackle dealer Other children found by a lister: Helen, dob, May 3, 1845 Jane, dob, April 21, 1843 Mary, dob, April 4, 1854 Jessie, dob, July 20, 1861 Elizabeth Crighton McDonald married James (Samuel James) Charlesworth on September 29, 1880, in St. Mary's, Liscard, Cheshire, England. He was a mariner. Thus, Elizabeth doesn't show up with the rest of the McDonalds in the 1881 census. On the 1881 census Elizabeth and James (Samuel James ) don't show up in their own residence. Rather there is an Elizabeth Charlesworth, age 21, residing with the Kirkpatricks: 2 Comely Bank Liscard, Cheshire, England James Kirkpatrick, 68, retired shipbuilder, born in Scotland Isabella Kirkpatrick, 68, wife, born in Scotland Thomas Kirkpatrick, unmarried, 28, born in Scotland Elizabeth Charlesworth, married, 21, birthplace listed as Lancashire, England. Her age isn't quite right, though. Either is her birthplace so assuming that she lived with them while my g grandfather was at sea is a real long shot. My grandmother and her siblings were born in Cheshire between 1886 and 1890. I have their birth records. Is the 1891 census available on CD or fiche at the FHC? Yesterday I was concentrating on 1881. Elizabeth Charlesworth died young, probably in 1896. I have written for the death record and should receive it by the end of January. I thank you for your indulgence and for the wonderful responses and encouragement I received. Best regards, Roberta Meehan New Jersey, USA antrob@optonline.net

Happy New Year to all on the list I have joined the list to post my interests Wemyss BISSET m Barbara ANDERSON b m 25/12/1819 Canongate, Edinburgh Children Marion BISSET c 7/12/1820 Edinburgh Parish Elizabeth BISSET c 4/9/1822 Edinburgh Parish Helen BISSET c 6/11/1825 Canongate Edinburgh Jane Brown BISSET c 6/11/1825 Canongate Edinburgh Wemyss BISSET b 1829 I am interested to find Wemyss' birth or christening date and place Wemyss BISSET m Elizabeth WATSON b 1831 m 17/5/1853 Tolbooth Church, Children All born Edinburgh Parish Marion BISSET c 4/7/1852 James BISSET c 22/4/1856 Thomas BISSET c 13/11/1857 Barbara BISSET c 19/6/1859 Elizabeth BISSET c 20/10/1860 George BISSET c 4/3/1862 Wemyss BISSET c 3/11/1863 Ann BISSET c 24/7/1865 Benjamin Johnston BISSET c 25/9/1868 Thomas Bisset is my Great Grandfather. He and his wife, Elizabeth Duncan moved to Newcastle, UK sometime between 1881 and 1887. I would be grateful for any information on these families or hearing from anyone connected to these lines. Thanks in anticipation Fiona Rogers Wymondham Norfolk

Jan 3 Hello, List, This is my first posting and I am a complete newbie regarding Scottish genealogy. I learned recently that my great grandmother was born in Scotland. My information is very limited but hope springs eternal. Her name was: Elizabeth Crighton McDonald, dob abt. 1858. Her father's name was: Malcolm McDonald My first question will show my complete ignorance. Were Mc and Mac used interchangeably or were records fairly strict to keep them separate? I ask because I found an Elizabeth MACDonald, daughter of a Malcolm. In the 1881 census there's a Malcolm MACDonald of the appropriate age married to a Jane Mitchell. One of their daughters was Isabella. My great grandmother named her first daughter Elizabeth Isabella. I'd appreciate any advice anyone has to get me started on my journey to my Scottish ancestors. Best regards, Roberta Meehan antrob@optonline.net

This message page is a bit misleading or I was mislead when I posted a couple URLs a while back. This page talks of "vouchers." This is for bulk orders made by institutions and then parcelled out to its readership or users. There was another URL which I posted [since lost in a melt down recently] which offered the usual GRO type process. It almost seems to me that a few may have saved that post of mine and could repost it at this exciting time. The cost was reasonable and for a basic fee of about 5 Bpds plus a per copy cost of about a pound or two you could go on line and do the GRO thing. You can also accumulate credits to use at another log on time and share with others. Now all this is either a REALLY bad and sick dream I had or the goodies are hiding in someone's cache file. Give a look see. Al Greenwood wrote: > > This link tells more about the link to the ENGLAND census - evidently it will go online tomorrow at this link : > > http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/news.htm > > One big difference is paying for each item as it is downloaded, and having the ability to view the original census image > - at a higher price than just the data, but available. > > Be sure to understand payment procedures also, they are a bit obscure for me, but I'm sure it will sort itself out. > > Watching for the Scot link, have not bookmarked it yet, was watching Scots Origins for it. > > Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma, USA -- ==================================================================== E-mail attachments spread viruses. Don't send them, don't open them. © Copyright 2000, 2001, Alan Kemp Dempster, Ontario, Canada ® "FORTITER ET STRENUE" "This e-mail is privileged, confidential and subject to copyright and Canadian Laws. Any unauthorized use or disclosure of its contents in part or in whole, is prohibited. All rights reserved to legal counsel who owns equal privileged controlling interest over its contents." Fax me at this number. It will be attached to my e-mail address, independently, by my eFax server. eFax Number: [1] 253-541-1113. Numbers outside Canada or the U.S. must add a 1 at the first. Anything appearing below this message is not of my doing. =====================================================================

Can anyone tell me whether the 1901 Census returns for Scotland are going to be availiable on-line on the Scots Origin website? Many thanks in advance! -- Best Wishes Angela<boon.bluecats@ntlworld.com> Chase Bridge Class of '75 http://www.chasebridge75.co.uk/ Pettistree Homepage http://www.pettistree.suffolk.gov.uk/

Hi all I am back, my poor computer has had a new brain installed! Denise

This link tells more about the link to the ENGLAND census - evidently it will go online tomorrow at this link : http://www.pro.gov.uk/census/news.htm One big difference is paying for each item as it is downloaded, and having the ability to view the original census image - at a higher price than just the data, but available. Be sure to understand payment procedures also, they are a bit obscure for me, but I'm sure it will sort itself out. Watching for the Scot link, have not bookmarked it yet, was watching Scots Origins for it. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma, USA

Is there anyone out there with access to the index for the 1851 census for Edinburgh who could do a look up for me. Many thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather and Kevin Bray 26A Hargest Crescent St. Kilda Dunedin 9001 NEW ZEALAND Telephone: +64 03 4554288 Fax: 03 4554228 Email: kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thanks to all those who sent the URLs for the batch file numbers. This was the one I was looking for. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tyeroots/index4.html Now I need a good old map site...some are smartening up and leading me astray to pay sub-sites. There used to be some goodies out there. Any suggestions? Al

Just a quickie... Would anyone be so kind as to refer me to the new site for the following old URL where one can find the batch file references. I have lost all my book marks and found this old one squirreled away. But it is dead. http://geocities.com/Heartland/Trail/8333/scotland/ Al

Can anyone tell me what kind of records there are and what information I might find in them for an adoption that took place in 1880 or 1881 Thank you in advance for any help you can give. Carolyn Wilkinson