I'm trying to picture it in my head - top of Cranston st or New Street?? Judy ---------- >From: "adderley@onthefrontlines.com" <adderley@onthefrontlines.com> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] question for the list >Date: Tue, Jan 8, 2002, 4:53 pm > > 271 Canongate (bottom end of the Royal > Mile), appears to be a church

Robin: The information I sent you is from the various volumes published by the Scottish Record Society/British Record Society. I'll send the abbreviation info directly to you. Richard Robertson

Robin: I'm not exactly sure what type of information you are looking for, but here is some from the apprentice register and burgess rolls, and one from the marriage register. " [Dunbar,] John, B. and G., skinner, be r. of fr. John D., skinner, B. 18 Apr. 1694 " [Dunbar,] John, junior, skinner ; Barbara Mason 8 June 1694 ,, [Colquhoun,] Humphrey, skinner, B., as p. to John Dunbar, skinner, B. 12 May 1714 " [Livingston,] Wm., B., skinner, as p. to John Dunbar, skinner, B. 1 Mar. 1682 " [Simpson,] Robert, skinner, B., as p. to John Dunbar, skinner, B. 29 Mar. 1732 " [Robertson,] Alexr., mt., B. and G., by r. of admission of Robert Craig, dean of gild 3 Nov. 1714 " [Veitch,] Wm., mt., B. and G., be r. of w. Christian, dr. to Patrick Govan, mt., B. 10 Sept. 1718 Prophet (Profeit, Profit), Alexr., mt., B. and G., be r. of fr. John P., B. and G. 15 July 1730 Mansfield, James, mt., be r. of Peter M., mt., B. 7 Sept. 1726 " [Knox,] Dr. Robert, B. and G., in r. of fr. (blank) Knox, surgeon, B. and G., gratis, by act of C. 19 Sept. 1764 (son of John?) " [Innes,] Alexr., mt., B. and G., be r. of Katharine, dr. to James Reid, mt., B. 29 June 1730 Hepburn, Alexr., s. to dec. Alexr. H., mt. in Aberdeen, p. to Wm. Crooks, mt. (B.) 23 July 1718 Hepburn, Alex., mt., B. and G., as p. to Wm. Crooks, mt., B. and G. (23 July 1718) 3 Jan. 1724 " [Gardener,] Thomas, mt., B. and G., be r. of fr. Andrew G., mt., B. and G. 10 Sept. 1729 Farquhar, Alexr., s. to Alexr. F., mt. in Montrose, p. to David Milne, skinner (B.) 20 Dec. 1704 Farquhar, Alexr., skinner, B., as p. to David Miln, skinner, B. (20 Dec. 1704) 13 Mar. 1728 " [Rollo] Mr. John, p. to Henry Bethun, goldsmith 3 Jan. 1724 ,, Mr. John, goldsmith. B. and G., as p. to Henry Bethun, goldsmith, B. and G. (3 Jan. 1724) 21 July 1731 Richard Robertson

I should be grateful for any information listers may have about any of the following Edinburgh merchants and others, all of whom were witnesses at the baptisms of the children of James Farquhar (merchant) and his wife Catherine Kinloch, in the years indicated: John THOMSON, merchant (1725, 1727, 1728, 1731) John DUNBAR, skinner (1725, 1727) John KNOX, Chy. Apo. (1727) Alexander ROBERTSON, merchant (1728) Alexander INNES, merchant (1731) William VEITCH, WS (1732) John ROLLO, goldsmith (1732) Alexander FARQUHAR, skinner (1733) (?brother of James Faruhar, later Deacon of the skinners) Alexander HEPBURN, merchant (1733, 1746) Alexander PROPHET, merchant (1733) Captain James FARQUHAR (1735) Thomas GARDNER, merchant (1735) James MANSFELD, merchant and late Baillie (1746) I have seen web references to William Veitch, who seems to have been a successful lawyer, and John Rollo, whose ledger 1731-35 is in the NAS, but nothing for the others, except for a possibly erroneous reference to Alexander Farquhar (skinner). Any information, ideas, or guesses will be welcome! Robin Kinloch

Would anyone on the list have access to a recent Electoral Roll for Edinburgh? If so I'd be very grateful if you would look up 41, Merchiston Crescent, Edinburgh for me and see who lives there now? I'd made a note of it and now I can't find it anywhere. Many thanks, and a Happy New Year to everyone, Cyndy (Co Down, Ireland) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

He was a great man Margaret. Eleanor

Hello all! I've just returned to Canada from a trip to Scotland. Was mostly visiting my husband's family near Glasgow, but I did manage to sneak in a bit of genealogy when I visited Edinburgh (beautiful city!!) and found the address listed on my great grandmother's registration of birth. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the address in question, 271 Canongate (bottom end of the Royal Mile), appears to be a church. The building has a stone that reads "Canongate Christian Institute 1878". Around the front door is a panel of glass with the street number 271 and the words "Cranston House" etched in the glass. The building is now home to the Edinburgh English School. My great grandmother, Annie Gardner Myers, was born in 1879, so presumably this building was there -- it's not a new addition to the street. Her father listed his profession as foreman in a glassworks. I can't figure out why the family would have listed this address -- any thoughts? Were they likely to have been actually living there? If so why? Was it in fact a church? I know the family moved from Bathgate to Edinburgh, so maybe they were being boarded in transition before they found a home. In the 1881 Census, they are found at 30 Cableswynd, South Leith. I'm hoping someone may be able to tell me something about the building at 271 Canongate, or direct me to someone who has an interest in historic buildings who may know its history. I don't believe the Christian Institute of today is the same as that in 1878 -- Has anyone have heard of it, or of Cranston House. Regards, Keren in Canada

No comedian he. just a superb actor who kept his lovely Highland lilt. johnstone@powerweb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Eileen <eileen@j51.com> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [EDB] Duncan MACRAE > Duncan Macrae was a Scottish actor who appeared in many films - Whisky > Galore, Rockets Galore, Geordie, etc. he was born in Glasgow, but used a > Highland accent in most of his movies. > I've never heard him referred to as a comedian. > > See www.uk.imdb.com > > Eileen > > > > "I'll just have a pheasant and a wee cup of tea" > > >

Glad someone else loved Duncan Macrae. He was a smashing actor and, best of all, he kept his Scots accent with its lovely Highland lilt. johnstone@powerweb.net ----- Original Message ----- From: Eleanor <bryan@net2000.com.au> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: [EDB] Duncan McCrae > OK slip of the tongue perhaps I should have said he was a comic actor, > regardless, he was a very funny man, and lived close to me in Glasgow, > where on a hill in the Queens Park he could be seen rehearsing his > lines at the top of his voice on some Sundays. > Eleanor >

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G'day Cobbers, Have located my great great uncle, William MCLEAN, in the 1881 Census, as below: Dwelling: Urray Census Place: Urray, Ross & Cromarty, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203413 GRO Ref Volume 085 EnumDist 2 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Kenneth CAMERON M 52 M Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Jane CAMERON M 48 F Kirkhill, Inverness, Scotland Catherine CAMERON U 15 F Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Alexander CAMERON U 12 M Ferintosh, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland George CAMERON U 9 M Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Jane CAMERON U 5 F Urray, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Donald MACDONALD U 24 M Ferintosh, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland William MACLEAN U 23 M Garmouth, Elgin, Scotland Can anybody assist me with further information on him, such as who he married. His parents were Charles McLEAN & Mary CLARK. I have his birth and death dates. Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, UK. BALDWIN - Kent, UK>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, UK BIRCH - Yorkshire, UK> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, UK. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, UK>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, UK. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), UK REYNOLDS - Cornwall, UK. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, UK. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html Australian Surname List: http://www.users.on.net/proformat/ausnamesL.html

G'day Cobbers, Have the following DEAN/McLEAN interests, as below: Descendants of Isabella MELVIN & Alexander DEAN Alexander DEAN, born circa 1819 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. // Occupation: Shoemaker (Journeyman). // 1881 Census Dwelling: 51 South Street Census Place: Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203433 GRO Ref Volume 135 EnumDist 8 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alex. DEAN M 62 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Isabella DEAN M 61 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland John DEAN U 19 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Lewis FRASER 6 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland . He married Isabella MELVIN, 04 Feb 1848 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland, born circa 1820 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. I. Jessie Young DEAN, christened 25 Feb 1849 in Elgin, Moray Scotland. II. Margaret Geddes DEAN, christened 08 Dec 1850 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. III. Alexander DEAN, born 25 Jun 1855 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. IV. Elspet (Elsie) DEAN, born 16 Sep 1858 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. // Occupation: Woollen Weaver. She married Charles McLEAN, 24 Jun 1892 in 51 Church Street, Elgin, Scotland, born 15 Sep 1860 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Mary CLARK). Charles: // Married after banns according to the forms of the United Free Church. The Minister was James Crichton. The witnesses were John Dean and Jeannie B McLean. // Occupation: Blacksmith (Journeyman). // 1901 Census Dwelling: 3 Greenside Row Census Place: Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland Source: Reg. Distict No. 685/2 Enumerator's No. 006 Page No. 002 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles McLEAN M 40 M Garmouth, Moray, Scotland Elsie McLEAN M 42 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland William McLEAN 10 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Charles McLEAN 8 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Bella McLEAN 7 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Alexander McLEAN 5 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland John McLEAN 4 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Ann HAY 3 F Garmouth, Moray, Scotland . A. William McLEAN, born circa 1891 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. B. Charles McLEAN, born 01 Feb 1893 in 51 South Street, Elgin, Scotland. C. Bella McLEAN, born circa 1894 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. D. Alexander McLEAN, born circa 1896 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. E. John McLEAN, born circa 1897 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. V. John Jenkins DEAN, born 16 Oct 1861 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. Can anybody help me with the above families? Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, UK. BALDWIN - Kent, UK>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, UK BIRCH - Yorkshire, UK> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, UK. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, UK>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, UK. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), UK REYNOLDS - Cornwall, UK. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, UK. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html

G'day Cobbers, Have the following DEAN/McLEAN interests, as below: Descendants of Isabella MELVIN & Alexander DEAN Alexander DEAN, born circa 1819 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. // Occupation: Shoemaker (Journeyman). // 1881 Census Dwelling: 51 South Street Census Place: Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203433 GRO Ref Volume 135 EnumDist 8 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Alex. DEAN M 62 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Isabella DEAN M 61 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland John DEAN U 19 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Lewis FRASER 6 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland . He married Isabella MELVIN, 04 Feb 1848 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland, born circa 1820 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. I. Jessie Young DEAN, christened 25 Feb 1849 in Elgin, Moray Scotland. II. Margaret Geddes DEAN, christened 08 Dec 1850 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. III. Alexander DEAN, born 25 Jun 1855 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. IV. Elspet (Elsie) DEAN, born 16 Sep 1858 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. // Occupation: Woollen Weaver. She married Charles McLEAN, 24 Jun 1892 in 51 Church Street, Elgin, Scotland, born 15 Sep 1860 in Garmouth, Moray, Scotland, (son of Charles McLEAN and Mary CLARK). Charles: // Married after banns according to the forms of the United Free Church. The Minister was James Crichton. The witnesses were John Dean and Jeannie B McLean. // Occupation: Blacksmith (Journeyman). // 1901 Census Dwelling: 3 Greenside Row Census Place: Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Scotland Source: Reg. Distict No. 685/2 Enumerator's No. 006 Page No. 002 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Charles McLEAN M 40 M Garmouth, Moray, Scotland Elsie McLEAN M 42 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland William McLEAN 10 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Charles McLEAN 8 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Bella McLEAN 7 F Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Alexander McLEAN 5 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland John McLEAN 4 M Elgin, Elgin, Scotland Ann HAY 3 F Garmouth, Moray, Scotland . A. William McLEAN, born circa 1891 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. B. Charles McLEAN, born 01 Feb 1893 in 51 South Street, Elgin, Scotland. C. Bella McLEAN, born circa 1894 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. D. Alexander McLEAN, born circa 1896 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. E. John McLEAN, born circa 1897 in Elgin, Elgin, Scotland. V. John Jenkins DEAN, born 16 Oct 1861 in Elgin, Moray, Scotland. Can anybody help me with the above families? Regards Greg Baldwin AIGS 9842 A&NESFHS 9933 KFHS 7737 Researching Surnames: ALLEN - Cornwall, UK. BALDWIN - Kent, UK>New Zealand> Qld, AUS BENTON - Warwick, UK BIRCH - Yorkshire, UK> Qld, AUS BRODIE - Parish of Boyndie, Banffshire, SCT CAMERON - Black Isle, SCT CLARK - Rhynie & Essie, Aberdeen SCT CROZIER - Banbridge, Down, NIR > NZ DEAN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland EDWARDS - Cornwall, UK. FRANCES - AUS GRANT - Parish of Rhynie, Aberdeen, SCT INCH - Cornwall, UK>New Zealand INGLIS - Banff/Moray, SCT LAURANCE - Banff, SCT. LEYLAND - Warwick, UK. LUMSDEN - Banff, SCT>New Zealand MacDONALD - Inverness, SCT. MASSEY - Down/Antrim, NIR>Qld, AUS MELVIN - Elgin, Elgin, Scotland McFADDEN -Down, NIR McINTOSH - Inverness, SCT > Qld, AUS McINTOSH - Ross Shire, Scotland>Qld, AUS McKENZIE - Banff/Moray, SCT McLEAN - Garmouth, Moray, SCT>Qld, AUS McLEAVY - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS OLIVER - Jedburgh, Roxburgh, SCT>Qld, AUS RAFFAN - Banff, SCT REEVES - Yorkshire (?), UK REYNOLDS - Cornwall, UK. ROBERTSON - Ross & Cromarty, SCT RUDD - Westmoreland, Eng>Qld, AUS SIMPSON - Banff/Moray, SCT SMITH - SCT SPRENGER - Qld, AUS STUART - Moray, SCT WAKEFIELD - Stroud, Gloucester, Eng>Qld, AUS WHITEHOUSE - Warwick, UK. WILSON - Ayr, SCT>New Zealand email to: kennethb@melbpc.org.au Australian Genealogy: http://www.ke.com.au/bdmaus/index.html

OK slip of the tongue perhaps I should have said he was a comic actor, regardless, he was a very funny man, and lived close to me in Glasgow, where on a hill in the Queens Park he could be seen rehearsing his lines at the top of his voice on some Sundays. Eleanor

Hello, List, I have gone to a couple of sites, Cyndi's List and http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/home/scotland/genealogy.html They are rich with information. However, when I click on the GRO links I get either an error message or I get into a loop or I get a long explanation for paying for searching. It's way too early in my Scotland searches to surf sites. I would like to write directly to country offices for copies of records. I need advice from listers on the best way to do that. Since searching for ancestors is usually not the main occupation of these offices, I need some direction on the best path. I am interested in the Edinburgh parish first with others to follow. Are there free databases with indexes? I've been successful with things like that in other countries and wonder if there is one for Scotland. I will appreciate any advice anyone has. Best regards, Roberta

Hello! Would SKS please do a lookup for the 1871 census for the following?: CHARLESWORTH, James, age abt 33 CHARLESWORTH, Eliza, his wife, age abt 30 CHARLESWORTH, Eliza, daughter, age abt. 1-2 years Other children may be: Samuel James (Or James), son, age abt. 13 years Mary E., daughter, age abt 8 years William Henry, son, born in July 1871 Most likely in Egremont, Cheshire. With advance thanks and best regards, Roberta Meehan antrob@optonline.net

Judy just thought I would throw this in, do you rmember the great Scottish comedian, Duncan McCrae and his 'wee cock sparra, sittin on the barra'. Eleanor

hello Eleanor bit before my time (!) but I think the same person was famous for going into a posh London restaurant (with a lot of colleagues for an expenses paid nosh up) and saying "I'll just have a pheasant and a wee cup of tea" I think you had to be there.... Judy ---------- >From: Eleanor <bryan@net2000.com.au> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re:[EDB] McDonald,Malcolm >Date: Sat, Jan 5, 2002, 5:17 am > > Judy just thought I would throw this in, do you rmember the great > Scottish comedian, Duncan McCrae and his 'wee cock sparra, sittin on the > barra'. > Eleanor > >

Duncan Macrae was a Scottish actor who appeared in many films - Whisky Galore, Rockets Galore, Geordie, etc. he was born in Glasgow, but used a Highland accent in most of his movies. I've never heard him referred to as a comedian. See www.uk.imdb.com Eileen > > "I'll just have a pheasant and a wee cup of tea" >

Hi I wonder if anybody has any information on May Barton Crawford who married an Alexander Inglis in 1899. I believe they had a son Peter and lived in the Leith area, Thanks a lot Marjorie