Judy I have cut & paste this info from the Bainfield Bowling Club web site I hope this helps. The name of the Club was taken from the house and surrounding fields owned by a James Bain who in 1729 is recorded as the Deacon of the Society & Fraternity of Gardeners in Gardeners Hall. He owned the lands surrounding his House (which stood until about 1882) now the site of the Fountainbridge Library. Prior to forming the team, Gibby and his friends would play football on these fields. The fields was situated in the Fountainbridge area of Edinburgh near Murdoch Terrace and the surrounding district was known as BAINSFIELD. Obviously, times change, and the site is now occupied by Scottish & Newcastle Breweries. Carol Edinburgh

Hello Janette It's the wee street that runs down the side of the Kings Theatre. The International Bar (was The Butt Inn) is at the far (eastern) end, and the theatre at the other. Drumdryan Street runs off Tarvit St as a dog leg leading back on to Brougham Place or Brougham St. You could come up Lothian road from Prince St to Tollcross, up Home St and turn left at the crossroads by the Theatre, with Gilmore Place to your right - but only if you're walking as it is a one way street. So you can see it is quite near the old canal basin, which is now being redeveloped. Its not a very expensive area but Im told in times gone by Tarvit St was considered quite select. Judy ---------- >From: "janette robertson" <janette@janette96.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [EDB] Lithgow death Newspaper articles >Date: Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 8:10 pm > > could you tell me where Tarvit > st is i cannot think of it ,I used to live in Edinburgh

Hi, Russell, In one of my lines is a SIMPSON. I have a Mrs. F. Simpson in who lived at Silverthwaite Cottage, Loughregg, Co. Durham, in 1914. We know her maiden name was PEARCE, and she lived in Leith at one time. She was an aunt to my cousin's father (John Sutherland) and cared for one or more of his children after the mother died. Her first name may have been Alice. Her address in 1920 is given (in the Ellis Island Records) as Neathwaite, Windemere. After seeing you mention Leith, I was wondering if her husband could be related to one of your Simpson's. We don't even know his first name, except that it started with the letter 'F'. Thanks, Ruth St. Augustine, FL

Hi Judy and all, this is the first reply i have had to my posting , Her Husband was a ship carpenter George Lithgow could you tell me where Tarvit st is i cannot think of it ,I used to live in Edinburgh . I will check up on the places you mentioned and see if they can help . thank you very much Janette ----- Original Message ----- From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [EDB] Lithgow death Newspaper articles > hello all > this didnt seem to bring in any answers. > > I know where the Union Canal is, and where Tarvit St is, but where is > Bainfield? > > I suppose the widower could have been a ships carpenter working on the canal > boats since if it was actual ships you would expect them to live in Leith. > > There probably would be an account of this in the local paper and since > there is a date a copy might be obtained either from the national Library of > Scotland or possibly from the Central Library, which is on 0131 242 8000. > The Department you want is the Edinburgh Room, so they may give you a direct > number to call. > > Judy > > > ---------- > >From: "janette robertson" <janette@janette96.freeserve.co.uk> > >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [EDB] Lithgow death Newspaper articles > >Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2001, 11:49 pm > > > > > Hi , would anyone know if their would be any newspaper articles on a > > drowning or death notice who could do a lookup. have death cert below.her > > name was Mary Ann but down as Ann on death cert. or does anyone have a > > connection with any one listed.I do have more detail on the Lithgow family. > > thank you Janette > > 685/1 73 > > > > Ann Lithgow Married to George Lithgow, Ship Carpenter > > > > 15 January 1870 Found about 10 a.m. in Union Canal near Bainfield, > > Edinburgh Aged 35 > > > > Peter McKay, Flesher (dec) & Alison Goodwin, formerly McKay M/s Nimmo > > > > Downing - reported to Procurator Fiscal > > > > Registered by G Lithgow, widower of 6 Tarvit St 17 January 1870 Edinburgh > > > > > > > >

> > > Hi > > > > I am searching for DAISY LETITIA HARDING born in Edinborough (date unknown possibly 1880's) > > She married Edward Maxwell and had children, amongst others SADIE MERLE > > MAXWELL. We think Sadie was born in South Africa in 1911. > > > > any help will be apprecaited. > > > > Carlene > > > > >

Hi those of you interested in Edinburgh/Midlothian families! My name is Russell Lentz, and I am the grandson of Janet McLachlan Simpson. Her parents were Laurence Henderson Simpson and Jane (Jean) Hastie McLachlan. Laurence's parents were James Simpson and Margaret Clephane, but Laurence had several half siblings, since his father had been married to Janet Morrison and had several children with her before she died young. James Simpson's parents were James Simpson and Margaret Simpson (yes, maiden and married name). James Simpson's parents were none other than another batch of double Simpsons: John Simpson and Jane Simpson (maiden and married name). Margaret Simpson's parents were Dewar Simpson and Janet Allan. Dewar's parents were James Simpson and Jane Cook. Our Simpsons started out in Midlothian (Newbattle; Gilmerton, Liberton; Bonnyrigg, Cockpen; Newton) and then spread out to places like Canongate; Edinburgh; Cramond; Dennistoun, Glasgow; Coatbridge, Airdrie, Polmont, Bo'Ness, Glasgow; Maddiston, Muiravonside; Armadale; Borgue; Kirkcudbright; Perth; Motherwell, Lanark; Dalziel, Lanark; Leith, Edinburgh; and Dalkeith. Does anybody know if there is a Fraser and/or Simpson genealogist who has already been compiling lots of information on the Simpson families? I would hate to think I was recreating the wheel. My 80-year-old grandmother (the only one of her siblings born in the U.S. and not Scotland) and I know that we must have tons and tons and tons of Simpson relatives left in Scotland, since her dad was the only one of about 12 children to emigrate. It would sure be nice to find somebody that might be able to save me years of research and help me find some of my relatives. I have lots of information myself, but it is very difficult from afar to find anything on anybody after 1900 due to the laws on privacy, as many of you know. I would sure love to be able to find some of my grandmother's first cousins or any degree of cousin. If anybody has any leads, please drop me a line at RussDLentz@aol.com Sincerely, Russell Lentz Tallahassee, Florida, U.S.A.

hello all this didnt seem to bring in any answers. I know where the Union Canal is, and where Tarvit St is, but where is Bainfield? I suppose the widower could have been a ships carpenter working on the canal boats since if it was actual ships you would expect them to live in Leith. There probably would be an account of this in the local paper and since there is a date a copy might be obtained either from the national Library of Scotland or possibly from the Central Library, which is on 0131 242 8000. The Department you want is the Edinburgh Room, so they may give you a direct number to call. Judy ---------- >From: "janette robertson" <janette@janette96.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] Lithgow death Newspaper articles >Date: Mon, Dec 17, 2001, 11:49 pm > > Hi , would anyone know if their would be any newspaper articles on a > drowning or death notice who could do a lookup. have death cert below.her > name was Mary Ann but down as Ann on death cert. or does anyone have a > connection with any one listed.I do have more detail on the Lithgow family. > thank you Janette > 685/1 73 > > Ann Lithgow Married to George Lithgow, Ship Carpenter > > 15 January 1870 Found about 10 a.m. in Union Canal near Bainfield, > Edinburgh Aged 35 > > Peter McKay, Flesher (dec) & Alison Goodwin, formerly McKay M/s Nimmo > > Downing - reported to Procurator Fiscal > > Registered by G Lithgow, widower of 6 Tarvit St 17 January 1870 Edinburgh > > >

Hello Listers I'm having difficulty tracing the family of Eliza Henderson born 7.7.1833 at Cramond. Her father was John Henderson and her mother was Ellis Herkison. I have Eliza's marriage cert. (Presbyterian Church, Dunfermline 10.4.1855) and one witness was Sarah Henderson - a sister perhaps? Do these names ring any bells with anyone else? In 1881 there was only 1 Herkison listed in the whole of Britain so there may not be any left now. Is Herkison a Scottish name does anyone know? Any help or advice about how to proceed would be very welcome as I am so far away from Edinburgh. Regards, Yvonne (Anglesey, North Wales)

Hi Yvonne, Herkison is a derison of Herkes. It was originally of Dutch origin, but many years ago Dutch seafarers must have travelled to the Fife seaports and probably settled there. I had been tracing a Herkes from Fife, & discovered the family originated in Edinburgh. I traced the descendants to NZ only to find out the grandfather had changed their name and they had never known it really was Herkes. There is a total of 5 Herkes in the whole of NZ, and I had a really nice conversation with one who informed me that his father had been born in Holland but had fought for the UK during WWI then emigrated to NZ. There is an Eileen Herkes who belongs to this list who has done extensive research into the name. Maybe she can give you some more information. Elaine

It would be better to give the list some clue as to dates even if you don't know exactly. Judy ---------- >From: "Carlene de Fondaumiere" <carlened@mweb.co.za> >To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [EDB] HARDING >Date: Sat, Jan 12, 2002, 11:47 am > > Hi > > I am searching for DAISY LETITIA HARDING born in Edinborough (date unknown). > She married Edward Maxwell and had children, amongst others SADIE MERLE > MAXWELL. We think Sadie was born in South Africa. > > any help will be apprecaited. > > Carlene > >

Hi I am searching for DAISY LETITIA HARDING born in Edinborough (date unknown). She married Edward Maxwell and had children, amongst others SADIE MERLE MAXWELL. We think Sadie was born in South Africa. any help will be apprecaited. Carlene

Andrew: I did another search using a search engine. I got one hit: Foreman, James, vintner, B., in r. of w. Elizabeth, dr. of John Squair, flesher, B. 3 June 1784 Richard Robertson

Andrew: I haven't yet digitized the database that would cover marriages in the 1780s. Here's some information that may help you with John Square: Variants of the surname Squair. Derived "From 'squire,' a knight's attendant, ..." An early record is "Thom Squier witnessed a grant of the lands of Drumkerauch in 1260 ..." 1. " [Squair] John, flesher, B., in r. of fr. James S., flesher, B. 26 Sept. 1744 2. Squair, John, flesher, B., in r. of fr. John S., flesher, B. 5 Mar. 1789 3. " [Squair] John, s. to dec. John S., p. to James Squair, freeman flesher 19 Mar. 1729 4. Squyre, John, s. to umq. Wm. S. in Argatie, p. to Wm. Scot, baxter 24 July 1672 I don't know if any of these fit what your looking for. Good luck! Richard Robertson

In a message dated 1/11/02 3:33:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, ireland@pavilion.co.uk writes: > www.edinphoto.org.uk is the site you want to look at. > > What a fantastic site - thanks so much for the link - Elaine

I suggest you contact your local museum or archivist, or a photographic museum. Or since there are Scottish connections, get in touch with the Scottish National Portrait Gallery. They hold Scotland's national photo collection and I am sure they will be very happy to advise you. I wouldn't advise handing this precious artifact over to anyone who does not have specialist knowledge! Judy

I have the same case where there are lots of girls in family (born 1845 - 1880) who have their maternal Grandmother's surname as their middle name (ie. Wilson). I thought maybe these could be names of sisters/aunts? Also there are a couple of sons with their mother's maiden name as their middle name (ie. Renwick) - and thought these might be named after brothers/uncles. Is this possible, or is the surname just added as a middle name to all names. Cheers! Karina Randall Victoria, Australia -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kean [mailto:pauljkean@yahoo.com.au] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:23 AM To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EDB] Scottish naming patterns G'day Ian, I've also found that in many cases girls were given a second name that was the maiden name of their maternal grandmother. My M-I-L's second name is Young and her mother's second name was Carnie. This is useful for tracing back the female side of the family. I think this was done this way as a method of carrying the family history through two generations. Most people would know their mother's maiden name but probably not their grandmother's. Hence the naming pattern. I don't know exactly how long this method existed, but my M-I-L was born in 1938 and her mother in 1914, both in Edinburgh. Paul Kean (Sunny?? Melbourne Australia) --- Ian Dunbar <ian_dunbar@bigpond.com> wrote: > Would some one be able to outline Scottish naming patterns for me > please? > > Ian > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own! ______________________________

I am the latest in a long line of Elizabeths, and some of the earlier ones did have their mothers maiden name as well. What is more my grandmothers family bible listed the family only through the female line - it was lost/destroyed on her death while I was overseas, but oh how I wish I had it now! It went back to one ancestor washed up on the West coast from the Armada, who took his wifes name. Now I have hit a brick wall only three generations back!

Hi Janet, www.edinphoto.org.uk is the site you want to look at. Regarding a copy of your original photograph, it would probably be best to take it to a professional photographer for advice. Best wishes, Sheena Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet White" <jwhite@telus.net> To: <SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: [EDB] Horsburgh: photographer 1880 > My grandmother (aged 2), Florence Campbell MUIR and her siblings were photographed and hand tinted by <Horsburgh> in Edinburgh, around Christmas of 1880. Does anyone have information on this photographer? The photo is on glass and the local digital photo place can't copy it. Can someone give me a suggestion as to how to take a copy, so that I can store the original. > > Thanking you in advance for any information. > > Janet WHITE > Burnaby, BC > Canada >

Janet, I suggest you look at the excellent web site on Edinburgh photographers - www.edinphoto.org.uk. Regards Val Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Janet White [mailto:jwhite@telus.net] Sent: 10 January 2002 22:22 To: SCT-EDINBURGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [EDB] Horsburgh: photographer 1880 My grandmother (aged 2), Florence Campbell MUIR and her siblings were photographed and hand tinted by <Horsburgh> in Edinburgh, around Christmas of 1880. Does anyone have information on this photographer? The photo is on glass and the local digital photo place can't copy it. Can someone give me a suggestion as to how to take a copy, so that I can store the original. Thanking you in advance for any information. Janet WHITE Burnaby, BC Canada

G'day Ian, I've also found that in many cases girls were given a second name that was the maiden name of their maternal grandmother. My M-I-L's second name is Young and her mother's second name was Carnie. This is useful for tracing back the female side of the family. I think this was done this way as a method of carrying the family history through two generations. Most people would know their mother's maiden name but probably not their grandmother's. Hence the naming pattern. I don't know exactly how long this method existed, but my M-I-L was born in 1938 and her mother in 1914, both in Edinburgh. Paul Kean (Sunny?? Melbourne Australia) --- Ian Dunbar <ian_dunbar@bigpond.com> wrote: > Would some one be able to outline Scottish naming patterns for me > please? > > Ian > http://my.yahoo.com.au - My Yahoo! - It's My Yahoo! Get your own!