found this on 1841 Edinburgh census. Not sure if it's the one you're after but it's the only one that's in Edinburgh at that time. good luck 1841 Census 3 Records found Piece: SCT1841/685 Place: Edinburgh StCuthbert-Midlothian Enumeration District: 9Civil Parish: Canongate Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Canongate Folio: 9 Page: 6Address: Abbey Lane Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks DWYER Jeremiah M 40 Fur Skin Dresser Ireland DWYER Elizabeth F 45 Outside Census County (1841) DWYER Mary Ann F 11 Midlothian <html><DIV><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive" color=#660099>June <IMG height=12 src="http://graphics.hotmail.com/emsmile.gif" width=12></FONT></DIV></html> > From: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:44:33 -0600> To: [email protected]> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Mary or Maria Dwyer> > Mary or Maria Dwyer born circa 1833 in or> near Edinburgh. Marriage records states she> married June quarter of the year 1853 to my> John Hyland. Witness was a John Dwyer who> was a coke dealer (coal). > Who was my Mary or Maria Dwyer who married in Stepney London Middlesex> England?> Who was her father? Was it John? Who was> her mother? Where abouts in Edinburgh was> she born? Any help out there would be> appreciated. The marriage record says both> parties were age -20-. So therefore she was> born 1833, need a census page of a Dwyer> with a daughter age -8- in 1841.> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionId=5d21c51a-b161-4314-9b0e-4911fb2b2e6d
Possibility thereof. I checked Family Search.org and World Connect nothing listed for either of her parents. If I could find where she was married and to who it might turn out to be her. She was a highly born gently reared scottish lassie apparenty they came to the states to avoid parental displeasure settling in McLean Co IL near Bloomington. May have had a daughter Elizabeth born 1860. Unknown location. USA, England, Scotland, Ireland between the time they married in 1853 and 1860 when they were in the states. May have also been born abaord a vessel as they were coming to the states. The name of the vessel may have been Star of the __________. Record was unlegible.
Hi Everyone Is anyone able to tell me what the notation to an illegitimate birth entry in the Statutory Registers leads me. "THe entry reads Paternity of Child established by decision of court See registration of (?? can't read this bit) vol 1.p.5th" many thanks Keith Scott General Manager - Incentive, Tours and Conference Management [email protected]
Hi Keith, The bit you can't read is probably an RCE (record of corrected entries). These are sometimes minor adjustments made to the original record, such as a name change, or date correction. In the case of a paternity question however, it may well be worth looking it up, or having it looked up, as it sounds in your case like the court's decision on who the father was. You have to do this at Edinburgh, as these records are not available online. You'll want to ask for the RCE Vol1 p5 for the same district as the original record came from. I do this, but I do charge for it. Are you in the UK yourself? Or do you know anyone in Edinburgh? Might they go in to SRO for you? Once in, the records are available for anyone to view, and there are "registrars" there to help first-timers. Hope this helps, Leslie Keith Scott ITC wrote: > Hi Everyone > Is anyone able to tell me what the notation to an illegitimate birth entry in the Statutory Registers leads me. "THe entry reads Paternity of Child established by decision of court See registration of (?? can't read this bit) vol 1.p.5th" > many thanks > > > Keith Scott > General Manager - Incentive, Tours and Conference Management > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
Good morning Keith, You don't give a date for this so am assuming 1855 /1900 In my experience this was not overly common in Scotland in 19th C , usually in situations where the mother and father knew each other very well.but the father was not prepared to voluntarily put his name on the registration document. This being in the days before DNA the mother, probably knowing the father, was prepared to go to court to prove paternitty and get financial support for her child.. Some looked on it as ensuring their child was "Legitimate" in as much as it "had" a father. Remember the great thing in the Church of Scotland , and its teachings, right up into the mid 20thC was "litgitimacy" in births and and marriages. Suggest contact New Register House and ask them for a copy of what is entered in " See registration of (?? can't read this bit) vol 1.p.5th" . Many working girls ( servants, general workers etc) who fell pregnannt by a local dignatory were supported , financially, by him in return for anonimity . Some were told in return for cash the child should be sent to be brought up by g parents living in another area. Trust this is of help Regards John John D. Stevenson Trinity Research Services, Scottish Maritime History Research. Edinburgh. Scotland. Established 1989 [email protected] > Hi Everyone > Is anyone able to tell me what the notation to an illegitimate birth > entry in the Statutory Registers leads me. "THe entry reads Paternity > of Child established by decision of court See registration of (?? > can't read this bit) vol 1.p.5th" many thanks > > > Keith Scott > General Manager - Incentive, Tours and Conference Management > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mary or Maria Dwyer born circa 1833 in or near Edinburgh. Marriage records states she married June quarter of the year 1853 to my John Hyland. Witness was a John Dwyer who was a coke dealer (coal). Who was my Mary or Maria Dwyer who married in Stepney London Middlesex England? Who was her father? Was it John? Who was her mother? Where abouts in Edinburgh was she born? Any help out there would be appreciated. The marriage record says both parties were age -20-. So therefore she was born 1833, need a census page of a Dwyer with a daughter age -8- in 1841.
WESTGARTH, John, Surveyor Gen Of Customs marrd Christiana THOMPSON about 1830 - any background info welcome CLEGHORN, Easter, marrd John WESTGARTH when he was a captain in the army in 1767 - does anyone share these interests? George Harrison WESTGARTH of Chester
Hi Found this site and thought that others might enjoy it too Cyndy http://www.oldandnewedinburgh.co.uk/ Old and New Edinburgh by James Grant Cassell's Old and New Edinburgh by James Grant was printed as a periodical in the 1880s and is now seen as a set of three or six volumes, and describes its history, its people, and its places by using anecdotal historical text with endless illustrations. These volumes were a gift from my uncle, Bill Smith. As someone who has lived in Edinburgh for more than 50 years, the illustrations still thrill and excite me no matter how often I look at them. For this reason I wanted to put them online in such a format that Edinburgh school children and students might easily download the images or text whilst researching the history, architecture, society of Edinburgh's Old or New Towns. —Hamish Horsburgh
Hi Tina, I don't have access to any of the recognised surname books but I would say they are close enough sound-wise to be linked. That is: one could be a version of the other, as written down by different people or one could become the other by analogy ie a PEDDIE moves into an area where there are shed loads of PURDIEs, then whoever makes the records will record that PEDDIE as a familiar local name ie PURDIE. But I think there is also a name PEEDIE??? which would be a closer match as the difference is only a longer/shorter vowel. HTH Judy On 4 Oct 2006, at 19:39, <[email protected]> wrote: > This name PURDIE wouldnt be connected to the name PEDDIE, would it? > tina > > > ---- judy olsen <[email protected]> wrote: > > ============= > The name Purdie crops up a lot at Jedburgh. > > > Judy > > > > On 20 Sep 2006, at 07:59, John Spencer wrote: > >> H Carolyn, >> >> Sorry, not much on the PURDIE family. >> >> THOMAS PURDIE Married ISABELLA HUNTER 16 MAY 1836 >> >> I have their daughter JESSIE PURDIE marrying GEORGE IZATT: 02 DEC >> 1853. >> JESSIE came from Leith born around 1835. >> >> At the moment haven't found any more siblings. >> >> John >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, I wonder if anyone has any information about a marriage between a William HANDFORD and a Hephzibah? I'm sorry but I don't have a surname for the bride. William was a member of the 3rd Dragoon Guards from 1819 to 1843 and was born in Portsmouth about 1800, Hephizibah was born in Alford, Lincs. about 1801. Their daughter Harriet was born in Edinburgh about 1829. I'm sorry I don't have much more information, but if by some chance you happen to recognise any of these people I would love to hear from you. Thank you, Kate
unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 6.01AM Subject: SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 1, Issue 15 Today's Topics: 1. PETERS of KINROSS (Neil Beattie) 2. Re: PETERS of KINROSS (judy olsen) 3. Edinburgh Coutts and Cunningham (J Blain) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:53:59 +0100 From: Neil Beattie <[email protected]> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PETERS of KINROSS To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed This is my first contribution to this list. I would be grateful for any help with the following question(s), please. Background I have the will of William PETERS who was the Minister of Kinross. He made the will in 1890. He died in 1894. The Probate - is that the right word for Scottish Wills? - was granted to Margaret Peters and Jessie Ann PETERS, his daughters. The Inventory is signed by Margaret PETERS. Questions 1. If Margaret PETERS was married by 1890, is he likely to still have referred to her by her maiden name? (I am aware that a woman's name in Scotland stays with her. But to what extent? 2. Could she still have signed as Margaret PETERS on the Testament/Inventory? in 1894 even though that was not her 'married' name? If anyone is linked to the PETERS family I would be delighted to hear from them Neil Beattie Cheshire ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:10:42 +0100 From: judy olsen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PETERS of KINROSS To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Seems unlikely that he (or his lawyer) would have referred to her by her maiden name alone - more likely Margaret PETERS or BLOGGS. Have you checked the Scotsman archive for info inc perhaps an obit for the Rev.? Which denomination was he? it would seem that Scotland had its own married women's property act prior to this date but it would be worth double checking whether married women were eligible as executors. Judy On 3 Oct 2006, at 19:53, Neil Beattie wrote: > This is my first contribution to this list. > I would be grateful for any help with the following question(s), > please. > > Background > I have the will of William PETERS who was the Minister of Kinross. He > made the will in 1890. He died in 1894. The Probate - is that the > right > word for Scottish Wills? - was granted to Margaret Peters and > Jessie Ann > PETERS, his daughters. The Inventory is signed by Margaret PETERS. > > Questions > 1. If Margaret PETERS was married by 1890, is he likely to still have > referred to her by her maiden name? (I am aware that a woman's > name in > Scotland stays with her. But to what extent? > 2. Could she still have signed as Margaret PETERS on the > Testament/Inventory? in 1894 even though that was not her 'married' > name? > > If anyone is linked to the PETERS family I would be delighted to hear > from them > > Neil Beattie > Cheshire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:28:44 +0100 From: J Blain <[email protected]> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Edinburgh Coutts and Cunningham To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][192.168.0.3]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi - I'm a new poster to this list. Writing to know if anybody has information about the Coutts and/or Cunninghams in Edinburgh in the 18th Century. In particular, there was a Marion Cunningham who married John Philp, a tailor in Leith, in 1774, She was the daughter of Agnes Coutts and Patrick Cunningham, a wright who lived in a wynd off Castle Hill. Agnes seems to have been a daughter of Thomas Couts, merchant burgess, and Isobel Greig. Does this ring any bells with anybody? Jenny -- [email protected] [email protected] http://www.sacredsites.org.uk http://wyrdswell.co.uk/ancestors 07919 556371 Association of Polytheist Traditions - http://www.manygods.org.uk/ Speaker of the APT, 2006-07 ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-EDINBURGH list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the SCT-EDINBURGH mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-EDINBURGH Digest, Vol 1, Issue 15 ********************************************
I have recently had a similar experience, though not identical. As you say you have a "Testament", which is probably "Sworn", it seems likely there was no Will. I received this information about the distribution of Scottish property on death which might be of interest. Under Scots law moveable property (clothes, furniture, farm stock, crops etc) was disposed of in a will or testament, and heritable property (buildings, land) was disposed of by deed (these records have not been digitised). There were rules governing the inheritance of moveable property, which meant that it could be divided up among the family *without a will being made*. You can find more information about this in the Property and Inheritance FAQs on ScotlandsPeople:- http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/faqs/questions/index.aspx?380 The website of the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) has information about heritable property:- http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/deeds.asp http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/inheriting.asp In my case, the wife had predeceased her husband, and the first legitimate unmarried daughter - there was an earlier illegitimate birth - swore the Testament before a Justice of the Peace. It's worth reading the wording of the Testament very carefully to see exactly what was comprised in the Estate. I have never traced a Will, so it seems like that the financial assets were distributed equally among the legitimate surviving children. hth Janet > > On 3 Oct 2006, at 19:53, Neil Beattie wrote: > >> This is my first contribution to this list. >> I would be grateful for any help with the following question(s), >> please. >> >> Background >> I have the will of William PETERS who was the Minister of Kinross. He >> made the will in 1890. He died in 1894. The Probate - is that the >> right >> word for Scottish Wills? - was granted to Margaret Peters and >> Jessie Ann >> PETERS, his daughters. The Inventory is signed by Margaret PETERS. >> >> Questions >> 1. If Margaret PETERS was married by 1890, is he likely to still have >> referred to her by her maiden name? (I am aware that a woman's >> name in >> Scotland stays with her. But to what extent? >> 2. Could she still have signed as Margaret PETERS on the >> Testament/Inventory? in 1894 even though that was not her 'married' >> name? >> >> If anyone is linked to the PETERS family I would be delighted to hear >> from them >> >> Neil Beattie >> Cheshire
Hi - I'm a new poster to this list. Writing to know if anybody has information about the Coutts and/or Cunninghams in Edinburgh in the 18th Century. In particular, there was a Marion Cunningham who married John Philp, a tailor in Leith, in 1774, She was the daughter of Agnes Coutts and Patrick Cunningham, a wright who lived in a wynd off Castle Hill. Agnes seems to have been a daughter of Thomas Couts, merchant burgess, and Isobel Greig. Does this ring any bells with anybody? Jenny -- [email protected] [email protected] http://www.sacredsites.org.uk http://wyrdswell.co.uk/ancestors 07919 556371 Association of Polytheist Traditions - http://www.manygods.org.uk/ Speaker of the APT, 2006-07
Seems unlikely that he (or his lawyer) would have referred to her by her maiden name alone - more likely Margaret PETERS or BLOGGS. Have you checked the Scotsman archive for info inc perhaps an obit for the Rev.? Which denomination was he? it would seem that Scotland had its own married women's property act prior to this date but it would be worth double checking whether married women were eligible as executors. Judy On 3 Oct 2006, at 19:53, Neil Beattie wrote: > This is my first contribution to this list. > I would be grateful for any help with the following question(s), > please. > > Background > I have the will of William PETERS who was the Minister of Kinross. He > made the will in 1890. He died in 1894. The Probate - is that the > right > word for Scottish Wills? - was granted to Margaret Peters and > Jessie Ann > PETERS, his daughters. The Inventory is signed by Margaret PETERS. > > Questions > 1. If Margaret PETERS was married by 1890, is he likely to still have > referred to her by her maiden name? (I am aware that a woman's > name in > Scotland stays with her. But to what extent? > 2. Could she still have signed as Margaret PETERS on the > Testament/Inventory? in 1894 even though that was not her 'married' > name? > > If anyone is linked to the PETERS family I would be delighted to hear > from them > > Neil Beattie > Cheshire > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
This is my first contribution to this list. I would be grateful for any help with the following question(s), please. Background I have the will of William PETERS who was the Minister of Kinross. He made the will in 1890. He died in 1894. The Probate - is that the right word for Scottish Wills? - was granted to Margaret Peters and Jessie Ann PETERS, his daughters. The Inventory is signed by Margaret PETERS. Questions 1. If Margaret PETERS was married by 1890, is he likely to still have referred to her by her maiden name? (I am aware that a woman's name in Scotland stays with her. But to what extent? 2. Could she still have signed as Margaret PETERS on the Testament/Inventory? in 1894 even though that was not her 'married' name? If anyone is linked to the PETERS family I would be delighted to hear from them Neil Beattie Cheshire
From previous digest message: "......use an up to date anti-virus programme, and also a firewall - one will often catch something the other misses." True ... but we computer users are not totally dependent on what the computer shop will sell us. Adjust the spam filters and list domain names for emails that you wish to receive at the webpage of your email provider. Keep trying different levels of filtering, and adjust your list of domains or addresses until you get a result that you can live with. And instruct your computer's email preferences to accept mail only from addresses that you have recorded in your address book, and keep it up to date. Nearly everything else should end up in the junk drawer or spam file, which you can check or ignore. To get back to genealogy - I have posted my family research finally, after 30 years of gathering information, at rootsweb family tree pages. My files are called "PATERSON connections" and "VAIR connections", and include what I have found so far in both Canada and Scotland. If any reader looks at rootsweb family trees, and sees an obvious error in anything relating to my files, I would be pleased to hear from you and make adjustments accordingly. Thank you Katherine Vair Paterson
Hi, I'm new so I hope it's ok to reply to this. / "Do you ever wonder how they get your e-mail address in the first place? "/ Spammers get hold of email addresses by using spambots to scan forums, message boards, websites etc. Any time you leave your email address on the internet there is a very good chance that a spambot will find it. This is why it is best not to use a clickable version of your address on your website or blog instead use something like 'myemailATmyispDOTcom' a human can read that and will know to remove the AT and DOT, but a spambot is a piece of software and can only read real addresses. Also be very careful when signing up for anything, most sites are honest but some will sell your address to others. I use McAffee Site Advisor to alert me to any bogus sites. /"Under no circumstances should you directly respond to these type of e-mails except to tell them to "f**k off and die" as I have done."/ It's not a good idea to respond to them - the chances are the mail is coming from an automated service so a real person will not see your response, but the software will register your address as live, and you will be added to even more spam lists. It is a good idea to do as Kelly suggests and use an up to date anti-virus programme, and also a firewall - one will often catch something the other misses. Kate Kelly Tyler wrote: > It may have been a hoax but there are some very real dangers that exist in > cyberspace. My virus protector scans each and every e-mail that is sent to > my e-mail address. Furthermore, I DO NOT open e-mail from anyone that I do > not know. I also ignore any e-mails that tell me that my eBay security, for > example, has been breached and that I should change the details of my > account right away. That is just someone who is hoping that you will > inadvertently reveal your credit card number. Instead of complying with > their request to change your identifying information, contact the company > directly that they are claiming to represent. You can even let your > Internet Service Provider know that someone is trying to scam you. It is in > their best interests to make sure that you are protected as much as possible > while using their service. Under no circumstances should you directly > respond to these type of e-mails except to tell them to "f**k off and die" > as I have done. I also tell them that I know this is a scam and that my > internet service provider has been notified. They won't bother you anymore > after that. > > Do you ever wonder how they get your e-mail address in the first place? You > should also know that those chain e-mails that promise you all kinds of good > luck if you don't break the chain? Well, their real purpose is to gather > e-mails to send even more spam into cyberspace. I believe that there is > something built into the original e-mail by the spammer through which they > can track all the addresses that their chain e-mail has actually be sent to. > Okay - enough lecturing. I just want you people to be safe out there. > > > Ms. Kelly Tyler > > > >
Correction: disregard *any* attachment you receive, not that attachments ought to be revealed in this group, because they wont. As most of us are needing to access attachments, we have to be careful about what they are called before we open them. Thereafter, if there is any doubt, save them to "Desktop" first, from there scan them for virus and, thereafter you can probably safely open them. Janet
The listowner knows that, I applaud them for bringing it to us - we know that, but not all know it. The result is that people will open it and, chances are some of us might be in the addressbook of those who are in the addressbook of those who are in the addressbook of those who don't know it and who have opened the attachment. That's the way it goes; it works through address books. Even though the content is a hoax, the attachment is more important therefore we need to send and receive in plain text and not disregard any attachment. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Mitchell" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Fw: Fwd: Fw: VERY IMPORTANT! > Sorry but this is a hoax as are most of these type warnings > > All the best > > Shirley >
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