Hello Leslie, Thank you for taking the time to answer this message. Kind Regards Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Hastings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] JAMES PAXTON BORN 1885 IN MUSSELBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND. > Causewayside is still there - it's a fairly major road in Edinburgh. > > There is also still an entry into a block of tenements off Causewayside > called Norval's Place (my husband drives by there on the way to work, > and isn't completely sure of the spelling, but it may have changed at > any rate). There is no "Norval" or "Norwall" on my modern map of > Edinburgh, but this is probably because it's no longer a motor road. > > Causewayside may have been spelled as two words on your 1901 census, but > it will definitely have been "side", not "cide". > > The address is probably somewhat redundant; "198 Causewayside" and > "Norwal's Place" are probably the same thing. Flat 8 will have been one > of the doors in the stair at no. 198. > > Finally, they may have lived in more than two rooms - mostly the census > indicates how many of the rooms had windows, and not all of them will > have done. Many people living in tenements at the turn of the century, > however, did in fact live in a "room and a kitchen" or a "single end" > (one room). Whole families, including grandparents, often shared just > two rooms, and even with the "luxury" of the "room" added to living > space, it was often deemed too expensive to heat, so was only used for > sleeping. > > Hope this is of some help. > > Cheers, > Leslie > > pam.groves1 wrote: >> INFORMATION WANTED ON JAMES PAXTON PLEASE >> >> >> >> >> >> James Paxton was born at Blacks Close Mill Hill, Musselburgh, Scotland or >> what looks like Blacks Close to me on his birth certificate, he was born >> in March 1885, but can't see what date as it has worn away. But his >> father James registered his birth on the 23rd March 1885. >> >> James's parents were James Thomas Collier Paxton and Christina Cunningham >> Ritchie Rodger both also born in Musselburgh. >> >> I know that in 1901 James was living with his Parents at the address >> below. >> >> Flat/Room 8 >> >> At 198, Causeway Cide/Side >> >> Norwals? Place, >> >> Newington, >> >> Edinburgh >> >> >> >> From 1901 Census for Newington, Edinburgh, Scotland. >> >> >> >> James Paxton Head Married AGE 39 Occupation Golf Ball Maker Born >> Musselburgh Lives in 2 Rooms >> >> Christina Paxton Wife Married Age 35 No Occupation Born in Musselburgh. >> >> x James Paxton Son Single Age 16 Golf Ball Maker Born in Musselburgh. >> >> Margaret Paxton Daughter Age 14 Scholar Born in Musselburgh. >> >> Elizabeth Paxton Daughter Age 12 Scholar Born Musselburgh. >> >> Sarah Paxton Daughter Age 8 Scholar Born Musselburgh. >> >> William Paxton Son Age 4 No Occupation Born Fisherrow, Musselburgh. >> >> >> >> James born 1885 was the brother of my Grandfather William Rodger Paxton. >> >> I would like to know if anyone knows any information about James all I >> know is that he was still alive in January 1932 when my Great Grandmother >> Christina Paxton died. >> >> James gave his address as 24, Hill Crest Road, Kilsyth, Scotland on his >> mothers death certificate. Was James still in the Golfing Profession in >> 1932? >> >> Did James have a wife or children maybe? >> >> I would love to know more about him Please. >> >> Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Pamela J Groves nee Paxton >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Ann Dwyer christened 4 Feb.1838 at St Andrews Roman Catholic, Dundee, Angus. The daughter of James DWYER and Bridget McDONALD. The only Mary Dwyer in Scottish births. Regards, Patricia Dickson in New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Coleen Coleman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] My Brick Wall > Mary Dwyer born circa 1833 Edinburgh. > Married 1853 John Hyland in London > Stepney Middlesex England. Who was my > Mary Dwyer? Who were her people? Does > anyone have this person in their lineage? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Pamela, I have found the family of James PAXTON = Margaret CURRIE. Children of the above are:- 1) Mary Ann Paxton born 1820 2) Agnes Paxton born 1822 3) Peter Paxton born 1825 4) James Ferdinand Douglas Paxton born 1830. The Janet Paxton you mentioned is the daughter of another James Paxton, and his wife Janet HAY. Also Henry Paxton (there is only 1 and he was born 1828), has other parents not being of these families. I found the unusual name of Sandilands PAXTON when looking for parents of James Paxton. I was wondering if Sandilands and Ferdinand are the same name but transcribed with error? F and S sometimes look similar in old style writing. Sandilands PAXTON married Mary Fairbarn and they had a son James PAXTON born 1798. Maybe this is worth looking further into. Regards, Patricia in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "pam.groves1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] JAMES PAXTON IS MY BRICKWALL THAT I WOULD LOVE TOBREAK DOWN > Hello List, > I know I have mentioned lots of times about my 3X Great Grandfather James > Paxton. > > But I would love to be able to go back further than him if possible. > Could someone please tell me where to go now to find out any other > information on him as he died before the 1841 census was taken, he might > have even died as far back as July 1831. All I know about James Paxton is > he married Margaret Currie on 13, February 1817 and at the time of their > marriage his Occupation was a Carter and he was in Residence at Shoemakers > Close, Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland. After the marriage of James and > Margaret their first child a son Henry was born about 1818 in Edinburgh, > But have not been able to find his birth or christening date anywhere. > They then moved to Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland by 1820 where they had > three more children born in 1820, 1822, and 1825. But then must have moved > to Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland by the end of 1825 early 1826 where > their daughter Janet Paxton was born again not found any birth or > christening records. Then their last son my 2X Great Grandfather James > Ferdinand Douglas Paxton was born in Musselburgh on ! > 24, December 1830 and James senior's Occupation had changed to Quarryman. > But then probably died in July 1831, I say Probably as i was sent a buriel > date of a James Paxton occupation Labourer who died in July 1831 > (buried 28th July 1831 Js. Paxton Labourer) > This is all I know about my 3X Great Grandfather James Paxton, I don't > even know when he was born as it mentioned he was of full age. Not even a > mention of his parents on his marriage bands OPR I sent for. > > Any help would be appreciated in where do I go from here. > > Thank you in advance for any information or help I might receive. > Kind Regards > Pamela J Groves > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Causewayside is still there - it's a fairly major road in Edinburgh. There is also still an entry into a block of tenements off Causewayside called Norval's Place (my husband drives by there on the way to work, and isn't completely sure of the spelling, but it may have changed at any rate). There is no "Norval" or "Norwall" on my modern map of Edinburgh, but this is probably because it's no longer a motor road. Causewayside may have been spelled as two words on your 1901 census, but it will definitely have been "side", not "cide". The address is probably somewhat redundant; "198 Causewayside" and "Norwal's Place" are probably the same thing. Flat 8 will have been one of the doors in the stair at no. 198. Finally, they may have lived in more than two rooms - mostly the census indicates how many of the rooms had windows, and not all of them will have done. Many people living in tenements at the turn of the century, however, did in fact live in a "room and a kitchen" or a "single end" (one room). Whole families, including grandparents, often shared just two rooms, and even with the "luxury" of the "room" added to living space, it was often deemed too expensive to heat, so was only used for sleeping. Hope this is of some help. Cheers, Leslie pam.groves1 wrote: > INFORMATION WANTED ON JAMES PAXTON PLEASE > > > > > > James Paxton was born at Blacks Close Mill Hill, Musselburgh, Scotland or what looks like Blacks Close to me on his birth certificate, he was born in March 1885, but can't see what date as it has worn away. But his father James registered his birth on the 23rd March 1885. > > James's parents were James Thomas Collier Paxton and Christina Cunningham Ritchie Rodger both also born in Musselburgh. > > I know that in 1901 James was living with his Parents at the address below. > > Flat/Room 8 > > At 198, Causeway Cide/Side > > Norwals? Place, > > Newington, > > Edinburgh > > > > From 1901 Census for Newington, Edinburgh, Scotland. > > > > James Paxton Head Married AGE 39 Occupation Golf Ball Maker Born Musselburgh Lives in 2 Rooms > > Christina Paxton Wife Married Age 35 No Occupation Born in Musselburgh. > > x James Paxton Son Single Age 16 Golf Ball Maker Born in Musselburgh. > > Margaret Paxton Daughter Age 14 Scholar Born in Musselburgh. > > Elizabeth Paxton Daughter Age 12 Scholar Born Musselburgh. > > Sarah Paxton Daughter Age 8 Scholar Born Musselburgh. > > William Paxton Son Age 4 No Occupation Born Fisherrow, Musselburgh. > > > > James born 1885 was the brother of my Grandfather William Rodger Paxton. > > I would like to know if anyone knows any information about James all I know is that he was still alive in January 1932 when my Great Grandmother Christina Paxton died. > > James gave his address as 24, Hill Crest Road, Kilsyth, Scotland on his mothers death certificate. Was James still in the Golfing Profession in 1932? > > Did James have a wife or children maybe? > > I would love to know more about him Please. > > Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. > > Kind Regards > > Pamela J Groves nee Paxton > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thank you for the tip Leslie. I will try that. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Hastings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD > It's also worth looking in Scotland's People with no first name. My > Ggrandfather's first name was not given on his birth certificate (1864); > he was born in hospital (unusually) and the matron or registrar wrote > his surname beautifully, but not his first name - none of the others on > his page have first names either. The matron obviously made one trip > every day or two to register hospital births. > > Leslie > > Liz Parkinson wrote: >> I have been throught this my 4 x gt grandmother, looking for her birth >> and >> her death, and came to the conclusions she must have been beamed down by >> aliens, and either have been beamed off again or was sitting in the >> corner >> of a residential home aged 204 and no-one realised that when she talked >> of >> the French Wars she was actually reminiscing. She was also an >> Isabella/ela/el/elle! On her marriage records (pre 1837) her name, not >> written by her she signed with a X, was either Greaves or Geaves >> depending >> on whether or not you took the ink blob on one occurence to be an R or an >> ink blob. >> >> She turned out to be Isabella JAVES. So, have you tried looking for >> bizarre spelling mistakes. Dutherford, Sutherford, Wutherford etc. >> However bizarre - I too am experienced but would never ever have looked >> for >> Javes because it is so obscure I had never known anyone by that name, and >> it >> took someone who had to think of it. >> >> Less likely - could she have been illegitimate and known by a different >> name >> to her father, or could her mother have remarried after being widowed and >> Isabella said that her father was William Rutherford when in fact in he >> was >> really her step father. >> >> Or, could she simply have been beamed down by aliens :-) >> >> As for my Isabel*** JAVES, she did die, but the aliens must have >> reclaimed >> her body as she wasnt buried anywhere - and I have tracked down all the >> family graves for that group of people! >> >> HTH >> >> Liz P >> >> >>> From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD >>> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:42:49 -0000 >>> >>> Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great >>> grandmother, >>> >>> I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped >>> numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a >>> novice, >>> but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford >>> born >>> about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent >>> 1846/47. >>> >>> On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her >>> father >>> as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in >>> Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in >>> Ireland, >>> so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. >>> >>> Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they >>> got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the >>> time. >>> >>> On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. >>> >>> On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. >>> >>> On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. >>> >>> Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born >>> 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate >>> for >>> Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian >>> Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and >>> travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, >>> as >>> this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also >>> discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. >>> >>> I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry >>> and >>> also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. >>> >>> I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. >>> >>> One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother >>> Isabella came from a big farm. >>> >>> If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to >>> find >>> her family and trace them further back. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Find Singles In Your Area This Christmas With Match.com! msnuk.match.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.0/609 - Release Date: 29/12/2006 > 16:48 >

Hi Carol, I had a look on Ancestry and this is what they had. Ages on the census are 'about', as in about that year born. 1851 census Craigs Close, Midlothian James Reid, 26, Labourer excavator Ann Reid, 22 Robina Reid, 5 Ann Reid, 3 1861 census Colinton Road, Myreside, Midlothian William Reid, 60 Isabell Reid, 65 Ann Reid, 13 William I Reid, 11 Mary Reid, 8 1861 census Laren, Fifeshire Ann Berwick, 73 James Berwick, 72, Retired shipmaster Ann Berwick, 30 James Torsney, 28, Engineer Ann Reid, g dau, 15, born North Leith, Midlothian Anne Crawford, g dau, 4 Using exact spelling a search for Annie Reid showed nothing on the 1861 census using a + and - of 5 years for 1847. Using exact spelling a search on the 1851 census showed an Annie Reid in Clackmannan, Fife and Ross using a + and - of 5 years for 1847. Had a look on the Australia site, nothing showed up for Victoria. I know it's not easy this genealogy. Keep going. Best wishes, Catherine Bassendean, Perth, Western Australia --- Original Message ----- From: "AC Russell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 8:40 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Annie Reid > Could someone please help me to find information on Annie Reid, b. C1847 > Edinburgh. > > All I have is a birth certificate for a daughter Annie Reid, born 1870 > Victoria, Australia. The certificate states that her mother was Annie Reid > b. c1847 Edinburgh, Scotland and does not state any father for the child. > On Annie Jnr's marriage certificate, she states her father as John Reid > with the name Smith underneath. This is also repeated on her death > certificate. > > I do not know whether the "John Reid" was a cover up for an unknown father > or was Annie Reid (Snr) a married name. Fact or fiction??? A family > "story" was that Annie Snr was pregnant to the son of the master's > household and fled to Australia. Fact or fiction again??? > > I have been unable to find any information on her since she gave birth to > the child. Annie Jnr was reared by an Ellen Rogers in Melbourne, Victoria, > Australia and I do not know how much contact Annie Snr had. Have tried > adoption records, gaols, hospitals, infirmaries, South Australian Records, > NSW Records, what shipping records I could, etc all for no result. Do > shipping records from Scotalnd to Australia exist? > > > Hopefully someone can help me or tell me where else I may try. > > Thanking you in anticipation > > Carol > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.29/607 - Release Date: > 12/28/2006 > >

Could someone please help me to find information on Annie Reid, b. C1847 Edinburgh. All I have is a birth certificate for a daughter Annie Reid, born 1870 Victoria, Australia. The certificate states that her mother was Annie Reid b. c1847 Edinburgh, Scotland and does not state any father for the child. On Annie Jnr's marriage certificate, she states her father as John Reid with the name Smith underneath. This is also repeated on her death certificate. I do not know whether the "John Reid" was a cover up for an unknown father or was Annie Reid (Snr) a married name. Fact or fiction??? A family "story" was that Annie Snr was pregnant to the son of the master's household and fled to Australia. Fact or fiction again??? I have been unable to find any information on her since she gave birth to the child. Annie Jnr was reared by an Ellen Rogers in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia and I do not know how much contact Annie Snr had. Have tried adoption records, gaols, hospitals, infirmaries, South Australian Records, NSW Records, what shipping records I could, etc all for no result. Do shipping records from Scotalnd to Australia exist? Hopefully someone can help me or tell me where else I may try. Thanking you in anticipation Carol

It's also worth looking in Scotland's People with no first name. My Ggrandfather's first name was not given on his birth certificate (1864); he was born in hospital (unusually) and the matron or registrar wrote his surname beautifully, but not his first name - none of the others on his page have first names either. The matron obviously made one trip every day or two to register hospital births. Leslie Liz Parkinson wrote: > I have been throught this my 4 x gt grandmother, looking for her birth and > her death, and came to the conclusions she must have been beamed down by > aliens, and either have been beamed off again or was sitting in the corner > of a residential home aged 204 and no-one realised that when she talked of > the French Wars she was actually reminiscing. She was also an > Isabella/ela/el/elle! On her marriage records (pre 1837) her name, not > written by her she signed with a X, was either Greaves or Geaves depending > on whether or not you took the ink blob on one occurence to be an R or an > ink blob. > > She turned out to be Isabella JAVES. So, have you tried looking for > bizarre spelling mistakes. Dutherford, Sutherford, Wutherford etc. > However bizarre - I too am experienced but would never ever have looked for > Javes because it is so obscure I had never known anyone by that name, and it > took someone who had to think of it. > > Less likely - could she have been illegitimate and known by a different name > to her father, or could her mother have remarried after being widowed and > Isabella said that her father was William Rutherford when in fact in he was > really her step father. > > Or, could she simply have been beamed down by aliens :-) > > As for my Isabel*** JAVES, she did die, but the aliens must have reclaimed > her body as she wasnt buried anywhere - and I have tracked down all the > family graves for that group of people! > > HTH > > Liz P > > >> From: "pneanne" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP - RUTHERFORD >> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 15:42:49 -0000 >> >> Please, please, please, can someone help me to find my great grandmother, >> >> I have been researching my family for over 20 years and have also helped >> numerous other people knock down their brick walls, so I am not a novice, >> but I am absolutely stuck on my great grandmother Isabella Rutherford born >> about 1846, Scotland. On the censuses her age is very consistent 1846/47. >> >> On her marriage to Peter Abbott of Preston, Lancashire she shows her father >> as William Rutherford, coachman. Peter and Isabella were married in >> Newport, Wales, as he was in the army. In 1871 he was stationed in Ireland, >> so I have not got her on the 1871 Census. >> >> Peter Abbott was stationed at Edinburgh Castle in the 1860's before they >> got married, so she may be from Edinburgh or was living there at the time. >> >> On the 1881 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as EDINBURGH. >> >> On the 1891 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PRESTON. >> >> On the 1901 Census in Preston, her birthplace is shown as PAISLEY. >> >> Years ago, I sent for a birth certificate for Isabella Rutherford, born >> 1846 Edinburgh, father William Rutherford. I was sent the certificate for >> Isabella Rutherford, father William Rutherford, fisherman and Christian >> Steele, in Newhaven, North Leith. I researched this family for ages and >> travelled to Edinburgh a few times. I eventually discounted this family, as >> this Isabella was still in Newhaven, Leith in 1901. I have also >> discounted Isabella daughter of William Rutherford and Jessie Balmer. >> >> I have looked on the 1851 and 1861 Scotland Census Indexes on Ancestry and >> also looked for births on Scotland's People, but nothing fits. >> >> I am beginning to think that Isabella made up the name of her father. >> >> One piece of information I had from my auntie was that her grandmother >> Isabella came from a big farm. >> >> If anyone can help me I will be eternally grateful, as I would love to find >> her family and trace them further back. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Anne in Bolton, Lancashire. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find Singles In Your Area This Christmas With Match.com! msnuk.match.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 12:04:53 +0800, you wrote: [snip] >1861 census >Colinton Road, Myreside, Midlothian >William Reid, 60 >Isabell Reid, 65 >Ann Reid, 13 >William I Reid, 11 >Mary Reid, 8 > [snip] I have a few Reids from the Colinton area which I though might be worthwhile to tag on here. Descendants of James Reid 1 James Reid b: Abt. 1778 .. +Ann Finlayson b: Abt. 1782 m: 26 May 1809 in Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland ....... 2 John Reid b: 24 December 1804 in Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 17 January 1875 in Swanston, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland Occupation: Land Steward ........... +Ann Porteous b: 1817 in Lasswade, Scotland m: 15 March 1850 in Swanston, Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 12 May 1901 in 9 Upper Grove Place, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland ....... 2 Elizabeth Reid b: 13 August 1810 in Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 25 January 1890 ....... 2 Janet Reid b: Abt. 1813 in Kirkliston, Linlithgow, WLN, Scotland d: 7 January 1884 in Swanston , Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland Occupation: Farm Labourer ........... +Richard Trotter Steedman b: Abt. 15 October 1802 in Morton, Liberton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland m: 17 November 1843 in Liberton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland d: 2 April 1883 in Swanston, Colinton, Edinburgh, MLN, Scotland Occupation: 1851: Agricultural labourer, 1855: Ploughman, 1861: Ploughman, 1855: Ploughman, 1881: Farm Labourer -- David

INFORMATION WANTED ON JAMES PAXTON PLEASE James Paxton was born at Blacks Close Mill Hill, Musselburgh, Scotland or what looks like Blacks Close to me on his birth certificate, he was born in March 1885, but can't see what date as it has worn away. But his father James registered his birth on the 23rd March 1885. James's parents were James Thomas Collier Paxton and Christina Cunningham Ritchie Rodger both also born in Musselburgh. I know that in 1901 James was living with his Parents at the address below. Flat/Room 8 At 198, Causeway Cide/Side Norwals? Place, Newington, Edinburgh From 1901 Census for Newington, Edinburgh, Scotland. James Paxton Head Married AGE 39 Occupation Golf Ball Maker Born Musselburgh Lives in 2 Rooms Christina Paxton Wife Married Age 35 No Occupation Born in Musselburgh. x James Paxton Son Single Age 16 Golf Ball Maker Born in Musselburgh. Margaret Paxton Daughter Age 14 Scholar Born in Musselburgh. Elizabeth Paxton Daughter Age 12 Scholar Born Musselburgh. Sarah Paxton Daughter Age 8 Scholar Born Musselburgh. William Paxton Son Age 4 No Occupation Born Fisherrow, Musselburgh. James born 1885 was the brother of my Grandfather William Rodger Paxton. I would like to know if anyone knows any information about James all I know is that he was still alive in January 1932 when my Great Grandmother Christina Paxton died. James gave his address as 24, Hill Crest Road, Kilsyth, Scotland on his mothers death certificate. Was James still in the Golfing Profession in 1932? Did James have a wife or children maybe? I would love to know more about him Please. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves nee Paxton

Hello Patricia, I know that James Paxton and Margaret Currie had two more children named Henry Paxton but he was born about 1818- 1819 in Edinburgh as I have his death certificate and his sister Mary Ann Paxton's as Henry registered her death in 1866. This was the first time I connected with Henry Paxton being the eldest son of James and Margaret Paxton. And the same on Janet Johnstone nee Paxton Death and Marriage certificates I just can't find Henry and Janets birth details. But know they both were as both were with their mother Margaret in different census's. But thank you for your input. Kind regards Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "patsyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] JAMES PAXTON IS MY BRICKWALL THAT I WOULD LOVE TOBREAK DOWN > Hello Pamela, > I have found the family of James PAXTON = Margaret CURRIE. > Children of the above are:- > > 1) Mary Ann Paxton born 1820 > 2) Agnes Paxton born 1822 > 3) Peter Paxton born 1825 > 4) James Ferdinand Douglas Paxton born 1830. > > The Janet Paxton you mentioned is the daughter of another James Paxton, > and > his wife Janet HAY. > Also Henry Paxton (there is only 1 and he was born 1828), has other > parents > not being of these families. > > I found the unusual name of Sandilands PAXTON when looking for parents of > James Paxton. I was wondering if Sandilands and Ferdinand are the same > name > but transcribed with error? F and S sometimes look similar in old style > writing. > > Sandilands PAXTON married Mary Fairbarn and they had a son James PAXTON > born > 1798. > Maybe this is worth looking further into. > > Regards, > Patricia in NZ > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pam.groves1" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 10:09 AM > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] JAMES PAXTON IS MY BRICKWALL THAT I WOULD LOVE > TOBREAK DOWN > > >> Hello List, >> I know I have mentioned lots of times about my 3X Great Grandfather James >> Paxton. >> >> But I would love to be able to go back further than him if possible. >> Could someone please tell me where to go now to find out any other >> information on him as he died before the 1841 census was taken, he might >> have even died as far back as July 1831. All I know about James Paxton is >> he married Margaret Currie on 13, February 1817 and at the time of their >> marriage his Occupation was a Carter and he was in Residence at >> Shoemakers >> Close, Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland. After the marriage of James and >> Margaret their first child a son Henry was born about 1818 in Edinburgh, >> But have not been able to find his birth or christening date anywhere. >> They then moved to Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland by 1820 where they had >> three more children born in 1820, 1822, and 1825. But then must have >> moved >> to Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland by the end of 1825 early 1826 where >> their daughter Janet Paxton was born again not found any birth or >> christening records. Then their last son my 2X Great Grandfather James >> Ferdinand Douglas Paxton was born in Musselburgh on ! >> 24, December 1830 and James senior's Occupation had changed to Quarryman. >> But then probably died in July 1831, I say Probably as i was sent a >> buriel >> date of a James Paxton occupation Labourer who died in July 1831 >> (buried 28th July 1831 Js. Paxton Labourer) >> This is all I know about my 3X Great Grandfather James Paxton, I don't >> even know when he was born as it mentioned he was of full age. Not even a >> mention of his parents on his marriage bands OPR I sent for. >> >> Any help would be appreciated in where do I go from here. >> >> Thank you in advance for any information or help I might receive. >> Kind Regards >> Pamela J Groves >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:17:06 -0500, "Dorothy Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote: >I am looking for a family member SAMUEL FORREST who I understand >from family letters died in Edinburgh around 1830 - 1831. Is there any way >to find out if this is correct without knowing where in Edinburgh he lived? >From the A2A I found a listing for him saying he had SERVED IN GARRISON >STAFF GILBRALTAR, 26TH FOOT REGIMENT and was discharged in 1825. I >understand that these records are held by the NATIONAL ARCHIVES at Kew. Is >there anyone out there who goes to Kew who could make copies for me if I >give them the REEFERENCE NO'S? The record you have found is the following set of Discharge Documents listed in the National Archives' on-line catalogue at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp WO 97/1174/233 SAMUEL FORREST Born CARLUCH, Lanarkshire Served in Garrison Staff Gibraltar; 26th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 41 Covering date gives year of discharge. Covering Dates: 1825 Although this record is on microfilm at Kew, it is also held by the LDS and is available through their Family History Library system. You can therefore order it via their worldwide network of Family History Centres. The FHL catalogue is at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp and the film you want is described as: -------------- Title: Soldiers documents : service documents of soldiers, containing particulars of age, birthplace and trade or occupation on enlistment, a record of service, including any decorations and the reason for discharge to pension, 1760-1872 Author: Great Britain. War Office Notes: Microfilm of original records in the Public Record Office, London. For the period l760-1854 the documents are arranged by regiments, including Militia. WO 97. Volume 1174 Royal Staff Corps; various recruiting staffs: Clarke-Frost, 1760-1854 FHL BRITISH Film 861847 -------------- Notice how the Volume number (1174) in the LDS description and the WO 97 in the LDS film notes match the WO 97/1174 part of the National Archives reference. The last part of the NA reference (233) indicates the position of the record on the film. Alternatively, since you now know the reference of the file (WO 97/1174/233) you should be able to request an estimate from the National Archives to send you a copy. See the following for instructions: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/legal/recordcopying.htm http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help/copies.htm Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: [email protected] Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Thanks so much for this information I really am quite thankful for people who take the time out of their busy schedules to help some- one even though they do not know who I am.

I am new to the list and hoping someone may be able to point me in the right direction. I am looking for a family member SAMUEL FORREST who I understand from family letters died in Edinburgh around 1830 - 1831. Is there any way to find out if this is correct without knowing where in Edinburgh he lived? >From the A2A I found a listing for him saying he had SERVED IN GARRISON STAFF GILBRALTAR, 26TH FOOT REGIMENT and was discharged in 1825. I understand that these records are held by the NATIONAL ARCHIVES at Kew. Is there anyone out there who goes to Kew who could make copies for me if I give them the REEFERENCE NO'S? THANK YOU, Dorothy from Canada

Hi Judy, Isabella Rutherford married Peter Abbott in a catholic church in Newport, Monmouthshireon 24th August, 1869. His regiment was stationed in Edinburgh from 1867 to 1868. I have the book 'Stirring Incidents in the Life of a British Soldier', an autobiography by Thomas Faughnan. Thomas was a Colour Sergeant in the 2nd Battalion, 6th Royal Regiment and was therefore Peter's Sergeant. I found it interesting how he described their arrival and I thought other people on the list may be interested in the following description of Edinburgh at that time. 'At ten o'clock we disembarked at Leith and marched to Edinburgh Castle, 'Modern Athens', and made a crowd of citizens, the band playing 'Blue Bonnets o'er the Border', and other popular Scottish airs, during the march through the city to the Castle, where we were to be quartered; then the usual bustle of taking over barracks, bed filling, et cetera, was gone through. Edinburgh is a very small garrison, there being only guards to furnish, viz, the Castle, Holyrood Palace, Jacks (sic) Lodge. The force consisted of the 2nd Battalion 6th Regiment and the 14th Light Dragoons. On arrival, the men had a good sum of ship's clearance to draw and being flush with money, made it lively for the police about the Canongate and Lawn Market, so much so that the police undertook to take some of them to the station house. This the soldiers strongly objected to, when a fight ensued; the police got the worst of it, and the soldiers were rescued. Afterwards, they never attempted to take any of our men prisoners, instead of which they reported them at the Orderly Room, when the offenders were punished by the commanding officer. During the twelve months which the 2nd Battalion, 6th Royal Regiment was stationed in Edinburgh, the officers were delighted with the society, which is regarded as unusually pollished, from the predominance of the professional and literary elements in its composition. This arises partly from its being a University town, and partly from the presence of the supreme law courts of Scotland, all the important legal business being attracted thither on that account, the lawyers have charge of most estates throughout the country, so that there are an unusual numner of lawyers and accountants; its medical practitioners, surgeons and physicians, have a high reputation. It is much resorted to for the sake of education, for its universities and medical schools, its High Schools and its numerous private schools. For the poorer classes, part of the enormous funds of 'Heriot's Charity' have been divered for cheaper schools throughout the city. It is largely resorted to by visitors to the Highlands of Scotland, and has an unusual number of well appointed hotels.' It goes on to describe the old town and the new town and Holyrood Palace, etc. 'The 2nd Battalion, 6th Regiment was stationed in Edinburgh Castle over twelve months when they got the route for Aldersot camp on 30th May, 1868.' Now, I just have to find Isabella in Scotland in 1851 and 1861. Although I can't find her birth, she must be on one of these censuses. Anne in Bolton. ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Peter ABBOTT was Rutherford etc > > 2nd Batt, 6th Regiment - seems to fit. > > http://www.regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/006-2.htm > > > According to The Times they arrived in Edinburgh in May 1867 having > come from Jamaica via Queenstown (aka Cork) but they had a "fine > passage". > > I will send the story off list. > > > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.28/606 - Release Date: > 28/12/2006 00:22 > >

Hello Peter, In Scottish church records it shows:- James SMITH = Patience AUSTIN. Children being 1) Martha Smith c 13 Sept 1809. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland. 2) William Smith c 26 March 1811. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland. 3) James Smith c 7 Oct 1812. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland. 4) George Smith c 1 Jan. 1815. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland 5) Sarah Smith c 19 June 1818. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland. 6) James Smith c 16 Nov 1821. Old Machar, Aberdeen, Scotland Regards, Patricia Dickson in New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 9:21 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] James Smith (c.1775, Edinburgh - 1844, Brantford,Ontario) > Looking for parents or siblings of my gggf James Smith. A short biography > of > his son (my ggf) George (born 1814, Aberdeen) says than "James Smith, was > one of three brothers, born near Edinburgh, Scotland. James was born about > 1763, and was the only one to come to Canada. He was married to Patience > Austin, of English birth" > > The birth year of 1763 does not agree well with the age at time of death > as > carved on James' gravestone "In Memory, James Smith, of the city of > Aberdeen > Scotland, died June 12 - 1844 at the Brantford Nursery, Age 69 years" A > birth year of somewhere between 1763 and 1775 is thus possible (not much > help with a name of Smith). While living at Aberdeen (after his marriage > in > 1808 at London) during the years 1809-1835, James worked as a gardener and > then as a nurseryman . > > The farm where James Smith died in 1844 was called Newington Farm, and I > recently happened to discover (rather belatedly) that Newington is a > district of Edinburgh, which fits well with James' biography. James' first > son was named William (born 1811, Aberdeen). On the assumption that James > was born in the district of Newington (which appears to be in the parish > of > St. Cuthberts), and that James' father was named William, I had a look in > the IGI for James Smith, son of William, baptized at St. Cuthberts, born > between 1760 and 1777 (batches C119869 and C119871). There were only two > records found: > > James Smith, bapt. 2 Mar 1776, son of William Smith and Margaret Laing > James Smith, bapt. 16 Nov 1775, son of William Smith and Maragret Reid. > > (I also discovered from Ancestry.com that William Smith, husband of > Margaret > Laing, was a gardener) > > I would appreciate hearing from any list member who knows of or can help > me > eliminate either (or both) of the above two candidates. > > Peter Smith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, I know I have mentioned lots of times about my 3X Great Grandfather James Paxton. But I would love to be able to go back further than him if possible. Could someone please tell me where to go now to find out any other information on him as he died before the 1841 census was taken, he might have even died as far back as July 1831. All I know about James Paxton is he married Margaret Currie on 13, February 1817 and at the time of their marriage his Occupation was a Carter and he was in Residence at Shoemakers Close, Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland. After the marriage of James and Margaret their first child a son Henry was born about 1818 in Edinburgh, But have not been able to find his birth or christening date anywhere. They then moved to Tranent, East Lothian, Scotland by 1820 where they had three more children born in 1820, 1822, and 1825. But then must have moved to Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland by the end of 1825 early 1826 where their daughter Janet Paxton was born again not found any birth or christening records. Then their last son my 2X Great Grandfather James Ferdinand Douglas Paxton was born in Musselburgh on 24, December 1830 and James senior's Occupation had changed to Quarryman. But then probably died in July 1831, I say Probably as i was sent a buriel date of a James Paxton occupation Labourer who died in July 1831 (buried 28th July 1831 Js. Paxton Labourer) This is all I know about my 3X Great Grandfather James Paxton, I don't even know when he was born as it mentioned he was of full age. Not even a mention of his parents on his marriage bands OPR I sent for. Any help would be appreciated in where do I go from here. Thank you in advance for any information or help I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Thanks Judy - I got this a while back (and very fascinating it is, pages and pages of it!) but haven't found anything so far... Jenny >Admiral George HOPE's will can be downloaded from Scotlandspeople for >a fiver! You might find nothing, but a favoured servant might just >have received a legacy or annuity. > >Judy

Admiral George HOPE's will can be downloaded from Scotlandspeople for a fiver! You might find nothing, but a favoured servant might just have received a legacy or annuity. Judy

William FISHER and Mary McCulloch married in September 1812, in St Cuthbert's, Edinburgh. I have a photocopy of the register entry. She was daughter of William McCulloch, Innkeeper at Linlithgow Bridge and from a Linlithgow family. He was a gentleman's servant at Hopetoun House - apparently with some association to Admiral Hope, as the Admiral instructed that William be paid a very good bonus (5 guineas) that year, possibly on the occasion of the wedding. William left this employment shortly after the marriage, signing for his pay at Hopetoun in January 1813 - Mary's father died in late 1812 and we think William went to help run the Inn. A daughter, Ann, was born there in 1813 and a son, William, in 1817. At the time of the wedding, William and Mary were living at 6 Queensferry Street in Edinburgh. Queensferry Street is part of the complex of Charlotte Square, Hope Street etc. where the Hopetoun family had a townhouse and owned most of the area, so it seems likely that they were residing in Hope property. William is my brick wall, or one of them. Don't know who he was, where he came from, or indeed what happened to him. In the 1841 census I can't find either William or Mary (though their son William may be in Coatbridge, as an apprentice shoemaker: he later returns to Linlithgow Bridge as a shoemaker, marries there, and then moves around a good bit and changes trade ending up in Ramsbottom, Lancashire, but that is another story). In 1851 Mary, described as Widow and going by her birth name of McCulloch, is proprietor of the inn (today's Bridge Inn) at Linlithgow Bridge. She was succeeded in this by her daughter Ann and son-in-law Robert Stewart. Ann's death cert. gives the occupation of her father William Fisher (the mystery William) as what looks like 'Huntsman'. So, my brick wall: William Fisher appears at Hopetoun House, paid a good live-in-salary, in 1812. The most likely 'Admiral Hope' of the time was Admiral Sir George Hope, previously Captain Sir G. H. at the time of Trafalgar, a cousin of the Hopetoun family who had married a daughter of the family, and who had come to live at Hopetoun House around that time, moving to London a year or so later. Admiral Sir George had a young son, again living in Hopetoun House at that time. What I'm seeking to learn is the connection of my William Fisher to Sir George - his personal servant? His son's servant? - and hoping to find anything further about William or where he may have been from. The archivist at Hopetoun House has been very helpful, but has found records for 1812 only - William paid a salary of seventeen guineas (£17 17/-) there then, with an allowance of another £1 17/6 for something extra (clothing or perks? - as a gentleman's servant, presumably not livery, though if he was a 'gentleman's servant' to the child he might have been liveried.. any experts on this?). And the extra £5 5/-, that is five guineas, 'pr Admiral Hope's orders'! He apparently receives the salary at Martinmas, and he signs a receipt for it in January. Did he come with Admiral Hope's family from Carriden House, a bit further up the Forth? Or was he earlier a personal servant to Captain, now Admiral, Hope? Does anybody have similar situations? Does anybody have access to bmd cds for the Lothians that might have more info on this? Does anybody have access to archives that might list servants of Naval officers, in the period between Trafalgar and 1812? Jenny