I am searching for any info regarding my ggg grandparents: > > Edmund CORNER b. 29 November 1807 married Teresa BYRNE 14 August 1828 > and died 11 January 1839. > > Children: > > Anne b. 6.05.1830 d before 1836 > Edward Craig b. 15.10.1832 d in Australia > Drummond b. 4.11.1836 d 3.04.1837 > unknown daughter b 25.12.1837. > > Edmund was employed with a printing press for nearly 16 years in > Edinburgh. His address was 13 Morrison Street. He was stationed at St > Andrews, Grove, Jamaica as a missionary. After Edmund's death Teresa > returned to England and took in the younger boys attending Re A > Phillip's boarding school in the Isle of Man in return for which Edward > was accepted as a day-scholar. I have confirmed Edward was a student at > King William College. > > Most of this information has come from papers held at the University of > Birmingham, Special Collections at Edgbaston. Due to the high cost of > purchasing the microfilm a very kind lady has given me this information > direct from the diaries. I am looking for information on Edmund's > parents. His mother remarried as there are letters to his mother > enquiring on his stepfather's health. I cannot find any records for > births or deaths of the other children only Edward. I have purchased > his christening record and funnily enough he was christened Edward Craig > Corner by the Reverend Edward Craig, Minister of St James Episcopal > Chapel Broughton Place. > > Any help would be most appreciated as it took me 2 years to find Edmund > and hopefully it won't take as long to find his parents. > > Regards > Leanne Aquilina (nee Corner) > Penrith > New South Wales > Australia _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Security Statement The information contained in this electronic mail message is privileged and confidential, and is intended only for use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited. Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of mistaken delivery to you. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete the message without copying or disclosing it. Disclaimer Any views expressed in this communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of NSW Department of Community Services. Except as required by law, NSW Department of Community Services does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of error, virus, interception, inference or interference. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Thanks for that. I had come to the same conclusion BINGO! Shortly after I posted my query, I found on Scotlandspeople what must be the birth entry for Elisabeth. (I had found a candidate on IGI- but obviously no details of occupation etc.) It goes as follows:-"Alexander Gordon, Writter [sic] and Helen Grant his spouse ADN ["A Daughter Named" I assume] Elizabeth. Mr William Grant. Writter. Ludovick Brodie Writter to the Signet. Born 30 June last". The Clerk has made a distinction between Writter (twice) and Writter to the Signet It looks very likely that Ludovick was Helen's uncle as his wife according to the book was also a Helen Grant daughter of another Writer, John. Incidentally this Ludovick according to the WS book was grandfather of Deacon Brodie so if correct I will have a Black Sheep to be proud of!!. Andrew Forman 01756 730730 judy olsen wrote: > Yes, then as now, the WS lawyers were an elite. There were for > example plenty of humble country 'writers'. > > > Judy > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:39, A.G.Forman wrote: > > >> Can anybody please advise if Writer and WS were different at that >> time. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Andrew, there's a large book with bios of all the members of the Signet Society. Your library may have a copy, If not, let me know and I'll send you the writeup on your signet member. It was really quite an amazing legal organization - providing funds to widows of members, for instance. They also have a lovely library (unfortunately not open to the public) right next to St. Giles. Members of the Signet Society were very proud of their designation and always referred to themselves as, for instance, "Adam Rolland, W.S." throughout their lives, including on private correspondence. Jean Coker Jacksonville, Florida (a ROLLAND descendant) > > From: "A.G.Forman" <[email protected]> > Date: 2007/03/20 Tue PM 02:38:44 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Writer and Writer to the Signet, > Edinburgh. Same thing in 1749? > > Thanks for that. I had come to the same conclusion > BINGO! > Shortly after I posted my query, I found on Scotlandspeople what must be > the birth entry for Elisabeth. (I had found a candidate on IGI- but > obviously no details of occupation etc.) It goes as follows:-"Alexander > Gordon, Writter [sic] and Helen Grant his spouse ADN ["A Daughter Named" > I assume] Elizabeth. Mr William Grant. Writter. Ludovick Brodie Writter > to the Signet. Born 30 June last". > The Clerk has made a distinction between Writter (twice) and Writter to > the Signet > It looks very likely that Ludovick was Helen's uncle as his wife > according to the book was also a Helen Grant daughter of another > Writer, John. Incidentally this Ludovick according to the WS book was > grandfather of Deacon Brodie so if correct I will have a Black Sheep to > be proud of!!. > > Andrew Forman > 01756 730730 > > > judy olsen wrote: > > Yes, then as now, the WS lawyers were an elite. There were for > > example plenty of humble country 'writers'. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:39, A.G.Forman wrote: > > > > > >> Can anybody please advise if Writer and WS were different at that > >> time. > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

SNIP My 6x Gt. Grandfather, Alexander Gordon was a Writer in Edinburgh at the time of his daughter Elizabeth's marriage to Rev John Nairne in 1749 in his parish (Anstruther Easter). Good afternoon Andrew This should explain the background to "Writers to the Signet " The Society of Writers to Her Majesty's Signet is the oldest legal society in the world. It is a private society of Scottish solicitors. The Society dates back to 1594 and is part of the College of Justice. Writers to the Signet originally had special privileges in relation to the drawing up of documents which required to be signeted, but these have disappeared and the Society is now an independent, non-regulatory association of solicitors, most of whom are based in Edinburgh. Members of the Society, Writers to the Signet, use the postnominal letters WS Originally, the Signet was the private seal of the early Kings of Scots, and the Writers to the Signet were those authorised to supervise its use and, later, to act as clerks to the Courts. The earliest recorded use of the Signet was in 1369, and Writers to the Signet were included as members of the College of Justice when it was established in 1532, but the Society did not take definite shape until 1594, when the King's Secretary, as Keeper of the Signet, granted Commissions to a Deputy Keeper and eighteen other writers. The function of the Society has changed much since then, but every summons initiating an action in the Court of Session still "passes the Signet", meaning that it is stamped with the Signet. It gives the pursuer authority on behalf of the Queen to serve the writ on the defender. There used to be a Signet Office, which was next to, but separate from, the Court of Session, and was administered by two members of the Society of Writers to the Signet. In 1976 the Signet Office was merged with the General Department of the Court of Session. The present Signet was made by the Royal Mint in 1954. The Keeper of the Signet is a Scottish office, now combined with that of Lord Clerk Register. The Lord Clerk Register grants a commission to the Principal Clerk of Session to allow the Signet to be used. The Lord Clerk Register, in his capacity as Keeper of the Signet, also fulfils a ceremonial function as the senior officer of the Society of Writers to the Signet. The Lord Clerk Register issues commissions to new members. Although the Society is a private body, the Register of Commissions forms part of the records of the Court of Session, held by the National Archives of Scotland. The Lord Clerk Register grants a commission to the Principal Clerk of Session to allow the Signet to be used. The Society maintains the Signet Library, which forms part of the complex that includes Parliament House, Edinburgh. Regards John John D. Stevenson Edinburgh [email protected]

Yes, then as now, the WS lawyers were an elite. There were for example plenty of humble country 'writers'. Judy On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:39, A.G.Forman wrote: > Can anybody please advise if Writer and WS were different at that > time.

My 6x Gt. Grandfather, Alexander Gordon was a Writer in Edinburgh at the time of his daughter Elizabeth's marriage to Rev John Nairne in 1749 in his parish (Anstruther Easter). I believe there may have been a difference between a Writer and a WS. In the "History of the Society of Writers to his Majesty's Signet" an Alexander Gordon of Cairnfield is recorded as a WS , elected 1723, born Nov 17 1687, the son of Robert Gordan of Lunan. This man married 1) Elizabeth Gordon of Cairnfield (She died January 25 1735), and 2) Jane Gordon daughter of Sir John Gordon of Park and Shillagreens. Can anybody please advise if Writer and WS were different at that time. i.e is my ancestor likely to be the WS recorded? -- Andrew Forman 01756 730730

There is a copy in the National Library of Scotland. It appears to be a new compilation published in 2000, so you might be able to get a copy from the publishers or even the author. You might ask the library for photocopies of relevant bits, subject to the appropriate copying rules. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-111453720.html Has a review. The available info suggests the book is what it says - specifications for a huge range of furniture items and the price to be paid for each stage of work. I dont think it is a list of prices supplied by competing cabinetmakers for example. Judy On 18 Mar 2007, at 16:34, Eric Nisbet wrote: > The subject may be misleading, but this is genealogy related. I came > across reference to this book "The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' > Books of Prices 1805-1825" and wondered if anyone has access to > it. My > ancestor, John Nisbet of Edinburgh (about 1800- about 1841) is > listed as > a cabinetmaker in various documents I have and wondered if there is > mention of him or any other Nisbets in this book. I would > appreciate if > someone could look and see what might be found. > > Thanks, > Eric Nisbet > Ontario Canada > www.geocities.com/egnisbet > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

1870 deaths ST, GEORGE, Edinburgh Thomas-seaton Warburton (single) 4years Parents Thomas and Catherine Warburton (nee Cunningham) Micheal (sic) bigger (teacher) marr to mary craig 44yrs Parents micheal (sic) and jane bigger nee baikill (sic) 1883 same district Alexander jack (single) 8 yrs Parents William and elizabeth jack nee webster. Mary thompson nee tulip, marr Andrew thompson (engine keeper) Parents Thomas tulip and suzannah tulip nee paterson. 1858 deaths district of DEANS Edinburgh david paterson single 53 yrs john and Margaret paterson nee brown Margaret gardner single 70yrs Alexander and Margaret gardner nee Anderson 1857 marriages district of the Castle and Portsburgh, Edinburgh church of Scotland. William bull 29yrs and eliza reid 26yrs Parents john and sarah bull nee steel William and Elizabeth reid nee Anderson A copy can be sent to those interested privatley.

Sorry - no. I am only married into that line and they are from the west of Scotland. Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: cristy To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers'BooksofPrices 1805-1825 Hi Doreen, Do you have any Baxtors married to Eastons in your line? Thanks, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Baxter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could you please reply to this list with the answer to this question please as I have SINCLAIRs in Edinburgh at that time who were cabinet makers. Thanks, Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Nisbet To: Edinburgh List Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' Books ofPrices 1805-1825 The subject may be misleading, but this is genealogy related. I came across reference to this book "The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' Books of Prices 1805-1825" and wondered if anyone has access to it. My ancestor, John Nisbet of Edinburgh (about 1800- about 1841) is listed as a cabinetmaker in various documents I have and wondered if there is mention of him or any other Nisbets in this book. I would appreciate if someone could look and see what might be found. Thanks, Eric Nisbet Ontario Canada www.geocities.com/egnisbet ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I also would be interested in seeing this book. My ancestor was Robert Stuart who was listed as a Turner in 1803 and then as a Chair-maker in 1804 onward. In Halifax, NS, Canada in 1826, he was listed as a Cabinetmaker. Royce Hunt [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Nisbet" <[email protected]> To: "Edinburgh List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' Books ofPrices 1805-1825 > The subject may be misleading, but this is genealogy related. I came > across reference to this book "The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' > Books of Prices 1805-1825" and wondered if anyone has access to it. My > ancestor, John Nisbet of Edinburgh (about 1800- about 1841) is listed as > a cabinetmaker in various documents I have and wondered if there is > mention of him or any other Nisbets in this book. I would appreciate if > someone could look and see what might be found. > > Thanks, > Eric Nisbet > Ontario Canada > www.geocities.com/egnisbet > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Doreen, Do you have any Baxtors married to Eastons in your line? Thanks, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Baxter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18,

Hi Eric, Have you come across any Nisbet Easton's in your research of Nisbets. He was in the W. Lothian area. He married a Baxtor. Thanks, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Nisbet" <[email protected]> To: "Edinburgh List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:34 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' Books ofPrices 1805-1825 > The subject may be misleading, but this is genealogy related. I came > across reference to this book "The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' > Books of Prices 1805-1825" and wondered if anyone has access to it. My > ancestor, John Nisbet of Edinburgh (about 1800- about 1841) is listed as > a cabinetmaker in various documents I have and wondered if there is > mention of him or any other Nisbets in this book. I would appreciate if > someone could look and see what might be found. > > Thanks, > Eric Nisbet > Ontario Canada > www.geocities.com/egnisbet > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The subject may be misleading, but this is genealogy related. I came across reference to this book "The Edinburgh Cabinet and Chair-makers' Books of Prices 1805-1825" and wondered if anyone has access to it. My ancestor, John Nisbet of Edinburgh (about 1800- about 1841) is listed as a cabinetmaker in various documents I have and wondered if there is mention of him or any other Nisbets in this book. I would appreciate if someone could look and see what might be found. Thanks, Eric Nisbet Ontario Canada www.geocities.com/egnisbet

Sue - your following: George Ritchie & Isabella Wallace Bell ( married London 1854) - their children : James, Peter Bell, George, William Hay, Alexander Kerr, Wallace Bell, Jeanie P. Hoping someone... anyone ... can shed some light please. Regards Sue Hetherington While I am not directly from the RITCHIE lineage I am interested because of the following: James BELL b. 1788 Perth, m. Janet RITCHIE. They m.1819 St. Pauls' Church, Perth. Probably m. East Church Parish since that is where his sister m. in 1823. I have no info on Janet's birth, but think she was b.c1799. Who were her parents? Can anyone help me with this RITCHIE family? My lineage is from the sister of above James BELL b.1788. Jean ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

WOW! Thank you so much Meg, and thank you to the other people who helped me too. What an amazing group of people you are. Meg, I will begin searching for those 7 offspring - I can't thank you enough for getting me started. Thank you again, Paulette ----- Original Message ----- From: Meg Greenwood To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Searching for YOUNG Harold Edward: DOB 12 April 1924 in St. Albans, Hertfordshire, ENGLAND The Family History Center near my home has the INDEXes for marriages which were filmed from 1855 through 1956. I found the INDEX hit for your uncle's marriage, a researcher or anyone else can go to New Register House in Edinburgh and view the original themselves. It cannot be photocopied since there is a 75 year ban on photocopying marriage registrations [a 100 yr ban on births and a 50 yr ban on deaths, too]. Anyone can view the original and transcribe whatever data they wish from it. I've done this on 4 occasions since 1989 and spent hours at NRH getting Registration data. 1942 Marriages : Harold Edward YOUNG to Ethel Mary SAMMS in Haymarket, Edinburgh entry #801. I looked up Ethel's entry, it matches with Harold's. I then began to look for the 7 children. Beginning 1929 the mother's maiden name is listed in the Indexes. I checked up to 1949 and found no children which is unusual if the marriage was in 1942. Even if he was gone for the war years, he would have returned sometime and their 7 children didn't just materialize without birth registrations. The only similar surname for the mother was a recurring listing for the surname 'SIM' which is close, but not the same as SAMMS. Those births were in Fraserburg [Aberdeenshire]. Did they perhaps return to England to have the children ??? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Something I forgot that has helped me find the children of the family, knowing where to start searching. Scottish naming patterns. Not all families followed them, but where you are searching "blind", its a good rule to follow, a child named after father and after mother. They might also have a middle name that identifies the name of the grandmother. W'hey! SCOTTISH NAMING PATTERNS. 1st Son named after Fathers Father 2nd Son named after Mothers Father 3rd Son named after Father 4th Son named after Father's oldest brother 5th Son named after 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 1st Daughter named after Mothers Mother 2nd Daughter named after Fathers Mother 3rd Daughter named after Mother 4th Daughter named after Mothers oldest sister 5th Daughter named after 2nd oldest sister or Fathers oldest sister If you find a child has died, its not unusual to find another born later named after the deceased child. Janet

I'll make a start, dont know how much you dont know. ;-) I think its a good tip to bear in mind that formal registration didnt take place until 1855. However, if you were to find a birth in that year, the birth certificate will give you a lot of information to confirm the earlier records you might have. Numbers of children born and died, the parents. I've found death certificates also to be a mine of information which can blow apart a line of children as to the identities of their parents. I calculate death dates by the three score years and ten rule. If you have a walk in LDS Center near your home they will help you. Its a good starting place http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true - you can find a lot of information there but its not too good an idea to rely on it. It's free unless you purchase the film in the walk in center. IGI uses Soundex so you dont have to search all the variants of a name. That is, in principle. I have the name SHERET in my ancestry. IGI had many of the variants but my Gt +4 Grandfather married a lady whose name was STEPHEN and that has variants also. I was missing one child born just 2 months after the couple had married. They already had an illegitimate birth and got hauled up by the Kirk Sessions for that. I didnt think of looking for a second, that was, until someone sent me a Monument Inscription telling me there was a first son born that I didnt have who died in New Zealand. In the event, I found the marriage of my SHERET under the name of SHERRATT, exact name and STEVEN as opposed to his wife's maiden name of STEPHEN. There was William born to this happy couple. Monument Inscriptions are a good back up to being certain about a lot of information, occupation etc. You need to back it up with paper records where you can. Scotland's People is the place for that. You need to register and pay credits - 30 for £6. Good idea to have a list of names and dates before you start to spend, because its time sensitive. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Error/denied.aspx After 1841 you have the benefit of Census Returns. http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl (free) I've probably written enough to get you going, and apologise if you already knew this stuff. Oh, one final point, dont rule out a second marriage, and twin births! Happy hunting. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Sargent" <[email protected]> > Hello! > > I am new to this list. I have been researching my 3rd Gt-grandparents, Edward MCGIE (b. 1781) and his wife Ann DRUMMOND (b. 1785) who were both born at Kilmarnock according to their marriage record. They were married 15 May, 1808 at Old Church Parish in Edinburgh. Two of their children Daniel born in 1809 and Mary (my 2nd gt-grandmother) born 1811 were baptized in Old Church Parish also. A younger son Edward was born in 1817, also in Edinburgh. Edward McGie, Sr. was a Merchant according to the church records on both his marriage and the birth of his children. The family emigrated to Quebec, Canada about 1822 where they settled on a farm in Rawdon, Quebec. The boys were sent to school in Quebec City where Daniel McGie became a prominent citizen. Mary McGie married John EVELEIGH at Rawdon. I am looking for info on both McGIE and DRUMMOND families. If anyone has any of these family lines, I would like to share info with them. If not, could someone please help me by telling! m! > e where to search next! Scottish records are all new to me. I am in the U.S.A. Thank you for any help you can give to me! > Marian (Buck) Sargent in Oregon

Hello! I am new to this list. I have been researching my 3rd Gt-grandparents, Edward MCGIE (b. 1781) and his wife Ann DRUMMOND (b. 1785) who were both born at Kilmarnock according to their marriage record. They were married 15 May, 1808 at Old Church Parish in Edinburgh. Two of their children Daniel born in 1809 and Mary (my 2nd gt-grandmother) born 1811 were baptized in Old Church Parish also. A younger son Edward was born in 1817, also in Edinburgh. Edward McGie, Sr. was a Merchant according to the church records on both his marriage and the birth of his children. The family emigrated to Quebec, Canada about 1822 where they settled on a farm in Rawdon, Quebec. The boys were sent to school in Quebec City where Daniel McGie became a prominent citizen. Mary McGie married John EVELEIGH at Rawdon. I am looking for info on both McGIE and DRUMMOND families. If anyone has any of these family lines, I would like to share info with them. If not, could someone please help me by telling me where to search next! Scottish records are all new to me. I am in the U.S.A. Thank you for any help you can give to me! Marian (Buck) Sargent in Oregon

----- Original Message ----- > > > Murray Robertson wrote: >> Hi >> >> Searching for any information at all about Thomas ROBERTSON, b Edinburgh >> c1813, father James? ROBERTSON. Thomas served in the British Auxiliary >> Legion in Spain 1835 - 1837? and was attested into the Royal Sappers and >> Miners in Glasgow 28 Sep 1841. He served in the UK and Gibraltar before >> being discharged in NZ in 1864. >> >> >> Thanks, Murray, NZ >> >> > Richard Robertson wrote > > Go to www.scotsfind.org and open the Robertson Scottish Births & > Baptisms file sorted by family. Go down to the Mary KILGOUR and James > ROBERTSON family. That may be the one your looking for. I looked at > Canongate and St. Cuthberts but didn't see a Thomas that fit. Also, you > may want to open the Robertson .... sorted by location file, page down > to Midlothian and look through the births and baptisms in parishes > around Edinburgh. > Hope this helps. > Richard Robertson > Richard, Thanks very much - I will follow that line through but the Thomas listed was born about 2 years earlier than we expect our Thomas to be born. Thanks again, Murray