I'm by no means an expert on the Edinburgh parishes, but maybe this is a good time to point out to people just how confusing "St Cuthberts" can be. St Cuthberts was a parish like no other I have ever found in the UK. It grew 'like topsy' during the 19thc and included a population way beyond the numbers that could have been accommodated in any of the churches built on the site. I think one figure I had was a population of 40,000 and most churches in Edinburgh seated around 800 at the time. I did a quick google and found this map - no date- but just provides a flavour http://mowbray.homestead.com/files/edinparishes133kb.jpg As you can see. St Cuthberts sweeps round the city. Edinburgh grew with the creation of the New Town but also with massive population influxes and expansion. The growth was in fits and starts as you can see today from the dates of the residential buildings. At some point it created a 'new royalty' which I think included extra parishes but I am afraid I don't know when that was - mid 19thc at a guess. On top of all this, there were at least 20 to 30% of people in Edinburgh who were obliged to call banns at the local parish church but actually attended the many breakaway chapels. Many of these appear as 'marriages' at St Cuthberts via the LDS online indices but the ceremony took place elsewhere and the family would not have baptised their children at the church. In conclusion, in terms of the numbers included in its official remit St Cuthberts was perhaps 20 times the size of a typical Scottish parish and its area was way bigger than its Edinburgh neighbours. Judy On 16 Apr 2007, at 22:01, Doreen Baxter wrote: > Hello Liz > > If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate > which would give you his year of birth. > > Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I > will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. > There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but > this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the > entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage > entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only > they were all like that! > > It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your > line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and > brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a > link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Darby > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:03 PM > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Johnston/Thomson > > > Doreen > > I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, > Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I > can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married > Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael > Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having > Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have > been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and > Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter > from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this > again is elusive ) > But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the > birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June > 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? > Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at > about the same time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Liz If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate which would give you his year of birth. Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only they were all like that! It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Liz Darby To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Johnston/Thomson Doreen I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this again is elusive ) But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at about the same time. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doreen I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this again is elusive ) But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at about the same time.

Mention of the 1855 Registrations brings me to remind all this List that the FHC where I volunteer has all of the 1855 Registrations for Edinburgh. All Births, Marriages and Deaths entered into the 1855 books are on film only 8 minutes from my house. I can look up any you might wish, Births and Marriages are reliable given in the IGI but not all the information was used, there is a lot more in the Registration than what's in the IGI, 1855 was a magical year for details on Registrations. 1856 and later the questions were lessened by about half. Deaths are a problem as they aren't in the IGI from the Registers, only Patron Submissions. If you have a ScotlandsPeople Index entry for 1855, I can get the details. These are the very same ones you'd get from ScotlandsPeople. If you know a PARISH in Edinburgh, I can check for a name in the Deaths, but only Deaths please. Births and Marriages are sufficiently covered in the IGI to figure out if a name is there. Very late entries in 1854 might be in the 1855 register. First few entries in every year's books for January usually were very late December events. Write personally and I'll send the details in the Registration, the handwritten entries used 2 pages in a Registration book beginning on the left, horizontally across the binding to the right side of the page but only about 5 lines were used vertically. So the entry was very short and very wide. Make your Subject line "Edinburgh Civil Registrations" even if you are asking about another county. It helps me keep track of where it came from since I have an agressive spam filter. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Posting details of my Gt Uncle William ROWAT/ROWATT who married Jane Hannah REID on 25th May 1906. Wondering if anyone is related to either of them and whether they produced children. Janet

Has anyone come across a Thomas Johnston and Jane Thomson in their research? I am guessing that they married about 1790 - give or take a few years. Their daughter Jane Johnston married John Sinclair at St.Cuthbert's, Edinburgh in 1820, but all my attempts to trace them have failed since both names are so common, and no marriage is listed for them in the OPR. On Jane's marriage certificate in 1820, Thomas is described as a crofter, and living at 24 Salisbury Street. I am baffled as to why a crofter was living in the heart of the city - unless he had retired and moved to Edinburgh. Anyway, I would expect them to have more than one child, so this is a plea for any information on the family - for which I will be very grateful, and in return will happily do a few look ups at New Register House if needed. Doreen.

In a message dated 4/15/2007 2:31:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: missing Ritchie Link ??? . . . . . . . . . . children : James, Peter Bell, Sue, I am working on a RITCHIE line: Janet RITCHIE b.abt 1799 Perth? d. bef Dec 1840 m. James BELL b./chr 8 Sep 1788 Perth (city) d. 26 Aug 1857 Edinburgh. I am looking for parents & siblings of Janet RITCHIE. Name of Peter BELL is all through my BELL lineage. James BELLs father was Peter BELL. Does this sound like it might have been part of your family? Thanks for any info, Jean - of Peter Bell & dau Janet BELL the sister of above James Bell who m. Janet Ritchie. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

> Hi, > Has anyone heard of or looking for a missing Ritchie Link ??? > Harry Mills Ritchie Born Edinburgh 1889 - his parents Alexander Kerr Ritchie & Wilhelmina Marshall - his parents George Ritchie & Isabella Wallace Bell ( married London 1854) - their children : James, Peter Bell, George, William Hay, Alexander Kerr, Wallace Bell, Jeanie P. > Hoping someone... anyone ... can shed some light please. > Regards > Sue Hetherington > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, again, Jackie, Both gents are still at those addresses in 1959-60 directory too. Eileen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Middleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] searching for Ward, Hunter, Montgomery > Hi there, > > I'm looking for Edinburgh ancestors: > > John WARD & Margaret Clouston MONTGOMERY (m. 1901 - district of St. > Andrew) > > Henry Berston WARD & Elizabeth HUNTER (m. 1902 - district of Portobello) > ~ kids: Katherine Johanna Weir WARD (b. 1905) > Anne Wilson WARD (b. 1906) > John WARD (b. ?) > > If anyone has any info about these people, I would love to hear from you. > Thanks. > > Jackie Middleton > Toronto, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi there, I'm looking for Edinburgh ancestors: John WARD & Margaret Clouston MONTGOMERY (m. 1901 - district of St. Andrew) Henry Berston WARD & Elizabeth HUNTER (m. 1902 - district of Portobello) ~ kids: Katherine Johanna Weir WARD (b. 1905) Anne Wilson WARD (b. 1906) John WARD (b. ?) If anyone has any info about these people, I would love to hear from you. Thanks. Jackie Middleton Toronto, Canada

How I wish I had a connection.. My SHIELS SHIELDS in Edinburgh, Bathgate area go back to William SHIELDS who married Elizabeth WAUGH Avis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian WARE" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] SHIELS,James Dunbar Watson > Hi List, > > Is anyone related to James Dunbar Watson SHIELS. > Info below is all I have at the moment. > Regards Brian. > > James Dunbar Watson SHIELS > married > Evelyn Annie WARE b.1909 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. > d.1987 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. > > (they lived in Restalrig Road South, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.) > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and > ease of use." - PC Magazine > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2042 (20070206) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 356 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Avis, Having a lot of trouble finding him. I know there were/are a lot of SHIELS/SHIELDS etc in the borders. Have checked a few census - as money allows - but no luck so far. Nor with the IGI. I found Evelyn's (my aunt) B & D on the IGI but no marriage. I still have to check on Scotlands People though. Regards Brian. At 01:27 13/04/2007, you wrote: >How I wish I had a connection.. >My SHIELS SHIELDS in Edinburgh, Bathgate area go back to William SHIELDS who >married Elizabeth WAUGH > >Avis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian WARE" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM >Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] SHIELS,James Dunbar Watson > > > > Hi List, > > > > Is anyone related to James Dunbar Watson SHIELS. > > Info below is all I have at the moment. > > Regards Brian. > > > > James Dunbar Watson SHIELS > > married > > Evelyn Annie WARE b.1909 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. > > d.1987 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. > > > > (they lived in Restalrig Road South, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and > > ease of use." - PC Magazine > > http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > __________ NOD32 2042 (20070206) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. >It has removed 356 spam emails to date. >Paying users do not have this message in their emails. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi List, Is anyone related to James Dunbar Watson SHIELS. Info below is all I have at the moment. Regards Brian. James Dunbar Watson SHIELS married Evelyn Annie WARE b.1909 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. d.1987 Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. (they lived in Restalrig Road South, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.) ___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I am just wondering about the raised in the poorhouse bit. Margaret could simply have been there for lying in? Or is there other evidence for this? Judy On 12 Apr 2007, at 20:05, Meg Greenwood wrote: > Terri - How are you viewing the census ? If it was a transcription, > they may not have been able to read the handwriting and its under > BRIGHT > or NEIGHT. Spelling could be WRITE or RIGHT. You never know on > some of > the mistakes. > > The family could have been elsewhere on that day - workhouse duties > off > grounds or even in a healthcare facility. Has someone gotten > access to > the handwritten census images for that poorhouse and checked manually > for this family ? A researcher could do it quickly if the address of > the poorhouse was known. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Terri Wright wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I am back trying to fill in these spaces again. Can anyone >> explain how >> someone born and raised in the poorhouse would not show up on the >> 1901 >> Census. I have his birth cert. Dennis Wright b. 1900 Feb 5th >> Craiglockhart >> Poorhouse, parish of Colinton. His brother Thomas was born 1898 >> and was >> also raised there. His mother Margaret was a laundress at that >> location. How >> come none of them are on the census? >> >> >> >> Help please, >> Terri. USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I think they may be. Have a look at the Dennis McCann family in the Cowgate. This was the best match I could find. I couldnt find a marriage for Maggie and Dennis but that doesnt mean a lot. Judy On 12 Apr 2007, at 19:38, Terri Wright wrote: > Hi All, > > I am back trying to fill in these spaces again. Can anyone > explain how > someone born and raised in the poorhouse would not show up on the 1901 > Census. I have his birth cert. Dennis Wright b. 1900 Feb 5th > Craiglockhart > Poorhouse, parish of Colinton. His brother Thomas was born 1898 > and was > also raised there. His mother Margaret was a laundress at that > location. How > come none of them are on the census? > > > > Help please, > Terri. USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi does anyone know of any cemetary`s in the St Georges district of Edinburgh ,looking for place of burial and M I for George Lithgow died 1873 aged 45 also his wife Mary ann Lithgow. thank you Janette

Hi All, I am back trying to fill in these spaces again. Can anyone explain how someone born and raised in the poorhouse would not show up on the 1901 Census. I have his birth cert. Dennis Wright b. 1900 Feb 5th Craiglockhart Poorhouse, parish of Colinton. His brother Thomas was born 1898 and was also raised there. His mother Margaret was a laundress at that location. How come none of them are on the census? Help please, Terri. USA

Terri - How are you viewing the census ? If it was a transcription, they may not have been able to read the handwriting and its under BRIGHT or NEIGHT. Spelling could be WRITE or RIGHT. You never know on some of the mistakes. The family could have been elsewhere on that day - workhouse duties off grounds or even in a healthcare facility. Has someone gotten access to the handwritten census images for that poorhouse and checked manually for this family ? A researcher could do it quickly if the address of the poorhouse was known. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Terri Wright wrote: > Hi All, > > I am back trying to fill in these spaces again. Can anyone explain how > someone born and raised in the poorhouse would not show up on the 1901 > Census. I have his birth cert. Dennis Wright b. 1900 Feb 5th Craiglockhart > Poorhouse, parish of Colinton. His brother Thomas was born 1898 and was > also raised there. His mother Margaret was a laundress at that location. How > come none of them are on the census? > > > > Help please, > Terri. USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks for the Scottish Genealogy Society link, John. Regards, John

Dear Listmembers, Some of my family, William AITKEN (born about 1833, died 17 Nov 1908, Carnwath) and his wife, Mary BLAIR (born 10 Mar 1838, died 14 Sep 1905, Carnwath). As they were not buried in Carnwath Cemetery I feel they may have been buried in Edinburgh. In the 1901 census they were living at 1 Sciennes Road, Newington, Edinburgh, and their youngest daughter Mary Blair AITKEN died on 4 Nov 1902 at 25 Bruntsfield Avenue, Edinburgh. The nearest cemetery to these addresses is the Grange Cemetery. If anyone on the List has access to relevant Monumental Inscriptions I would be grateful for details. Thankyou, John Johnston