Hello List, I have just downloaded my Great Grandmother Christina Cunningham Ritchie Rodgers siblings marriages. Any connections to your tree? I have her half sister Jessie Rodger born 13 April 1872 in Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Jessie was the daughter of William Rodger and Margaret Bentley Ritchie also known as Agnes Bentley. Wow Jessie was married three times. The first being to Archibald Porteous on 25 February 1891 At 116, High Street, Fisherrow, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Archibald must have died between 1891 and 1914. Jessie Porteous then married William Anderson on 16 January 1914. He died between 1914 and 1915. As Jessie then married for the third time to John Duncan McCabe They were married on 16 June 1915. I have Alexander Rodger born about 1876 in Musselburgh to William Rodger and Margaret Bentley Ritchie Alexander married Annie Thompson on 29 November 1907 at Inveresk Mance, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. I also have David Rodger son of William Rodger and Margaret Bentley Ritchie He was born about 1883 in Musselburgh. David Rodger married Jane Hickman? Rutherford on 22 December 1905 at 7, McDonalds Hall, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. And lastly my Great Grandmother Christina Cunningham Ritchie "Rodger" Stepdaughter to William Rodger and natural daughter to Margaret Bentley Ritchie Christina was born 26 Jun 1866 at High Street, Fisherrow, Musselburgh, Inveresk, Scotland. Christina Cunningham Ritchie Rodger married James Thomas Collier Paxton On 16 May 1884 at Inveresk Mance, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves nee Paxton

Meant to say too, that Stockbridge, falling outside both the Old and New Towns was in the St Cuthbert's parish. There is a map of the old parish boundaries, published by Albert Russell, here: http://www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html Cheers, Leslie tricia clarke wrote: > Good News, > > Brick wall down!! > > William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. > Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) > and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) > > Now I have my ggg grandparents. > > Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) > > Trisha > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Congratulations on your breakthrough! Stockbridge is (now) a district/area in Edinburgh. It was initially a farming village outside the Edinburgh boundaries. There is a lovely stone bride over the Water of Leith that runs through the village, that was used to get the stock over the river. Hence Stock Bridge (now one word). I stayed in Stockbridge until about 5 years ago. Cheers, Leslie tricia clarke wrote: > Good News, > > Brick wall down!! > > William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. > Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) > and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) > > Now I have my ggg grandparents. > > Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) > > Trisha > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks Doreen, Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Baxter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : Deb - : : I will get the number for you on my next visit. : : Doreen. : : Thanks very much for the offer, I would now like to know if I need an index : number to obtain her death certificate and wondered if and when you are next : at NRH if you would be so kind as to obtain the ref number for me so I can : then apply for a certificate. : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 5:20 p.m. : : -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:04:33 +1000, "Alan Elliott" <[email protected]> wrote: >Is it BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE or some other variation ?, in other words >were there families in Edinburgh in the early 1800's of either name or both >or some other variation ?. George F Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" has an entry for a name which sounds as though it could well be connected to Balcancle - note that one variation is Balcancoll: ------------ BALCANQUHALL, BALCANQUHAL. From the lands of the same name in the parish of Strathmiglo, Fife. John Belmacancolle was one of the garrison of Edinburgh Castle on the English side in 1340 (Bain, III, 1323 ). Richard de Balcanko witnessed resignation by Sir David de Wemyss of certain lands in Fife in 1373 (Wemyss, II, 15), and John de Balmacankow was present at perambulation of the bounds of Kyrknes and Louchor in 1395 (RPSA. p. 3). Walter de Balcancolle was a cleric and notary public of St. Andrews in 1440 ( RD, p. 297), and eight years later Thomas de Balcancole appears as burgess of Kirkcaldy (ibid., 424 ). Henry Ballincankol had possession of lands of Carmoir "by thatch and turf," 1550, and Walter Ballincankol and Alexander Ballincankol appear in same document (Gaw, 23 ). Mr. Walter Maccanqueill was on trial before the Assembly in 1575 ( MCM., I, p. 120), and Moysie (Memoirs, p. 51, 129, 138), in referring to him spells his name Backanquhale, Balkanquholle, and Backanquhell. Walter Ballincanquell was retoured heir of his father Alexander Ballincanquell de eodem in 1624 (Retours, Fife, 342 ). Anderson (Scot. Nat., I, p. 198 ) erroneously says "The surname of Balcanquhall seems to have been in course of time changed to Ballingall as more euphonious." Balcancoll 1517, Balcanq'll 1640, Balcanquaill 1653, Balcanquo 1639, Balcanquoll 1517, Balganquhill 1642; Ballincankoll. See MACCANQUALL. ------------ Can't help with Ballcompton though! Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: [email protected] Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Now I very carefully copied the link from the bottom of the page as instructed but now find that if you click on the link in this email you go to a log in page. All you have to do though is choose BROWSE SCANNED PAGES and you get to another page with the link. This is the page with the description of parishes etc but is only a starting point and I do recommend clicking the arrows as there is much of interest in this section of the book - including population figures for the parishes. Judy On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:30, judy olsen wrote: > The term 'Relief' needs to be used with care. The Relief > congregations were one of the breakaways from the Church of Scotland. > The term has nothing to do with easing the pressure on a growing > parish. > > What I think you may have in terms of Roxburgh in Edinburgh was a > quod sacra church in a larger parish. See this page > > http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/link/1834-45/Edinburgh/Edinburgh/ > 1/660/ > > You do get quod sacra parishes but I don't think Roxburgh was > referred to in those terms - if it was I apologise for my error. > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > Snip. They were married by the "Minister of the Relief Congregation > in South College Street" All these streets are within a stone's- > throw of each other, and apparently as St.Cuthbert's grew, various > congregations hived off from it, but are still described as being of > St.Cuthbert's, and really were "relief" congregations. Although they > lived in the same area after marriage the birth of their children > appear to have taken place in "Old Greyfriars", "Edinburgh Parish" > and "South Leith" variously. > > snip > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Ooops sorry, thought Paisley was near (a suburb of) Edinburgh, so much for my knowledge of Scotland. Now I see it is near Glasgow, so perhaps I had better migrate across there. For the record Isabella's mum - Ann Bxxxxxxx married John MARSHALL 5th Oct 1849 in the Parish of Paisley Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > Who did Ann marry and what is the connection to Edinburgh? > > Judy > > > > On 18 Apr 2007, at 02:53, Alan Elliott wrote: > >> In Melbourne, Australia in 1870 Henry MIDDLETON married Isobella >> MARSHALL >> b.1851 Paisley. >> On their wedding certificate Isobella gave her mothers name as Ann >> BALLCOMPTON. >> On the image of her parents wedding 5 Oct 1949 Ann's surname is spelt >> BALCANCLE ?. >> >> All other details of the marriage match the information I have from >> other >> sources. >> But there is no like name in the 1841 census or births on >> Scotlandspeople >> for Ann. >> >> Are there such names as BALLCOMPTON and BALCANCLE. ? >> >> Alan Elliott >> Torquay, Victoria, >> Australia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

:I have been able to view the Times on line thanks to our local library : having it on line and as I have a library subscription I have been able to : view and print the notice for my records. : Very many grateful thanks to you all : Deb : ----- -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I have been able to view the Times on line thanks to our local library having it on line and as I have a library subscription I have been able to view and print the notice for my records. Very many grateful thanks to you all Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Beban" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : Many thanks for the offer to look it up for me Doreen. As you can see from : Judy's email I now have the date and place of death so am pleased to have : that. : : Thanks very much for the offer, I would now like to know if I need an index : number to obtain her death certificate and wondered if and when you are next : at NRH if you would be so kind as to obtain the ref number for me so I can : then apply for a certificate. : Thanks very much, I would appreciate that. : Deb : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Doreen Baxter" <[email protected]> : To: <[email protected]> : Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 PM : Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : : :: Deb :: :: If it is just one death record, I will look it up for you on my next visit : to NRH without charge. I should be going in about 10 days time. :: :: Doreen. :: ----- Original Message ----- :: From: Deb Beban :: To: [email protected] :: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:55 AM :: Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 :: :: :: Oh, may be I need to re think my research plan.If you don't mind my : asking :: what was the hourly rate charged by the researcher? :: Many thanks :: Deb :: :: ----- Original Message ----- :: From: "virginia miller" <[email protected]> :: To: <[email protected]> :: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:48 PM :: Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 :: :: :: : My understanding is that the more modern records are available in :: Edinburgh, :: : but not online and they can't be copied. I hired a researcher to find :: living :: : descendants of my family in Scotland and she found them for me. :: : Good luck, :: : Virginia, :: : Canada :: : :: : :: : ------------------------------- :: : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to :: [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without : the :: quotes in the subject and the body of the message :: : :: : :: : -- :: : No virus found in this incoming message. :: : Checked by AVG Free Edition. :: : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: : 17/04/2007 :: 5:20 p.m. :: : :: : :: :: :: -- :: I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. :: It has removed 749 spam emails to date. :: Paying users do not have this message in their emails. :: Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len :: :: :: :: ------------------------------- :: To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to : [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the : quotes in the subject and the body of the message :: :: ------------------------------- :: To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to : [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the : quotes in the subject and the body of the message :: :: :: -- :: No virus found in this incoming message. :: Checked by AVG Free Edition. :: Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 : 5:20 p.m. :: :: : : : -- : I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. : It has removed 749 spam emails to date. : Paying users do not have this message in their emails. : Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len : : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 5:20 p.m. : : -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello Liz I was born and lived in Edinburgh until my marriage, so I know it quite well. However, in all my years of research, I have never come across a "Roxburgh Parish" or "Old Greyfriars". I wonder if Greyfriars was an actual street address? There was an Edinburgh Parish and a South Leith one. I will certainly search for William's birth entry - but don't be too hopeful, because it was long before compulsory registration, and if the family were not members of the established church, it is unlikely to be on the OPR. I will let you know either way after my visit to NRH. Best Wishes, Doreen.

Many thanks for the offer to look it up for me Doreen. As you can see from Judy's email I now have the date and place of death so am pleased to have that. Thanks very much for the offer, I would now like to know if I need an index number to obtain her death certificate and wondered if and when you are next at NRH if you would be so kind as to obtain the ref number for me so I can then apply for a certificate. Thanks very much, I would appreciate that. Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Baxter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : Deb : : If it is just one death record, I will look it up for you on my next visit to NRH without charge. I should be going in about 10 days time. : : Doreen. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: Deb Beban : To: [email protected] : Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:55 AM : Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : : : Oh, may be I need to re think my research plan.If you don't mind my asking : what was the hourly rate charged by the researcher? : Many thanks : Deb : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "virginia miller" <[email protected]> : To: <[email protected]> : Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:48 PM : Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : : : : My understanding is that the more modern records are available in : Edinburgh, : : but not online and they can't be copied. I hired a researcher to find : living : : descendants of my family in Scotland and she found them for me. : : Good luck, : : Virginia, : : Canada : : : : : : ------------------------------- : : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to : [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the : quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : : : : -- : : No virus found in this incoming message. : : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 : 5:20 p.m. : : : : : : : -- : I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. : It has removed 749 spam emails to date. : Paying users do not have this message in their emails. : Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len : : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 5:20 p.m. : : -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Judy, thank you very much, your are a gem. That is just what we need to work with. I am absolutely delighted and can't thank you enough. Would be only to happy to so the same for you. Many thanks Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : The Times Monday May 02, 1960 : : : WIDDOWSON - On April 29th, 1960 , at Deaconess Hospital, Edinburgh, : MARGARET (RITA) ELIZABETH HUSBAND, widow of ARNOLD FREEMAN WIDDOWSON, : Christchurch, New Zealand, and matron, Skegness Convalescent Home, : and formerly Matron Fouad 1st Hospital, Cairo. : : : There might have been a death notice in The Scotsman as well but the : online archive stops at 1950. : : : Judy : : On 18 Apr 2007, at 05:41, Deb Beban wrote: : : > snip : : > Person's name is Margaret (aka, Rita) Elizabeth Husband WIDDOWSON : > (nee SMITH) : > She was born Edinburgh c 1907 to Charles Irvine SMITH and Catherine : > Gellatly MURDOCH. She had an older sister Isabella Irvine SMITH bn : > 1904 and a brother Charles SMITH who may have been younger. He was : > the informant to our family of her death but now as time has passed : > there is nobody able to tell me exactly where she died. : > : > She married Arnold Freeman WIDDOWSON, a New Zealand service man, : > February 1942, Cairo, Egypt. He was killed at El Alamein October : > 1942. My aunt was an army nursing sister. : > : snip : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 5:20 p.m. : -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

The term 'Relief' needs to be used with care. The Relief congregations were one of the breakaways from the Church of Scotland. The term has nothing to do with easing the pressure on a growing parish. What I think you may have in terms of Roxburgh in Edinburgh was a quod sacra church in a larger parish. See this page http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/link/1834-45/Edinburgh/Edinburgh/1/660/ You do get quod sacra parishes but I don't think Roxburgh was referred to in those terms - if it was I apologise for my error. Judy Snip. They were married by the "Minister of the Relief Congregation in South College Street" All these streets are within a stone's- throw of each other, and apparently as St.Cuthbert's grew, various congregations hived off from it, but are still described as being of St.Cuthbert's, and really were "relief" congregations. Although they lived in the same area after marriage the birth of their children appear to have taken place in "Old Greyfriars", "Edinburgh Parish" and "South Leith" variously. snip

I think an error has crept in somewhere here. The Parish of Roxburgh is in Roxburghshire. But there is at least one 'Roxburgh' street name in the area you describe. So could this be such and such a church in Roxburgh Street/Place? Judy On 18 Apr 2007, at 17:21, Liz Darby wrote: > My Michael Johnson married in 1837 and was at that time described > as being in the Parish of Roxburgh ( his address was 4 Hill Square) > His bride was living in a Close off Nicholson Street and this was > St.Cuthbert's. They were married by the "Minister of the Relief > Congregation in South College Street"

1785 to 1985 judy On 18 Apr 2007, at 17:53, k c wrote: > Hi Judy, > > what is the range of dates for the Times online? Thanks. Kathleen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate which would give you his year of birth. Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only they were all like that! It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! Hi Doreen My Michael Johnson married in 1837 and was at that time described as being in the Parish of Roxburgh ( his address was 4 Hill Square) His bride was living in a Close off Nicholson Street and this was St.Cuthbert's. They were married by the "Minister of the Relief Congregation in South College Street" All these streets are within a stone's-throw of each other, and apparently as St.Cuthbert's grew, various congregations hived off from it, but are still described as being of St.Cuthbert's, and really were "relief" congregations. Although they lived in the same area after marriage the birth of their children appear to have taken place in "Old Greyfriars", "Edinburgh Parish" and "South Leith" variously. Michael married again in 1860 and died in 1889 at the age of 72. He was therefore born around 1817 - no trace of his birth. His father William died in 1841 - no trace of this event except that he was a Land Surveyor and stopped producing maps and plans in late 1840 and does not appear in 1841 census. He was professionally active from 1806 - hence my looking around late 1770s onward for his birth. I have explored "Scotland's People"exhaustively without success, but I should be grateful if you would check for William as you suggest, as I live north of Inverness. Just to complicate matters further the mother of Michael's second wife was a Catherine Thomson. Liz

Oh, may be I need to re think my research plan.If you don't mind my asking what was the hourly rate charged by the researcher? Many thanks Deb ----- Original Message ----- From: "virginia miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Death 1960 : My understanding is that the more modern records are available in Edinburgh, : but not online and they can't be copied. I hired a researcher to find living : descendants of my family in Scotland and she found them for me. : Good luck, : Virginia, : Canada : : : ------------------------------- : To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message : : : -- : No virus found in this incoming message. : Checked by AVG Free Edition. : Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.1/765 - Release Date: 17/04/2007 5:20 p.m. : : -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello, Apologies in advance for this long winded posting. I am desperately seeking a death record for my aunt who I am lead to believe died in 1960 in Skegness. My brother, her god son ,is very keen to have this information to finish a chapter in a book he is writing. I have searched the English death records and so far have been unable to locate a record so am now assuming she may have died in Edinburgh, her place of birth or even Perth. Person's name is Margaret (aka, Rita) Elizabeth Husband WIDDOWSON (nee SMITH) She was born Edinburgh c 1907 to Charles Irvine SMITH and Catherine Gellatly MURDOCH. She had an older sister Isabella Irvine SMITH bn 1904 and a brother Charles SMITH who may have been younger. He was the informant to our family of her death but now as time has passed there is nobody able to tell me exactly where she died. She married Arnold Freeman WIDDOWSON, a New Zealand service man, February 1942, Cairo, Egypt. He was killed at El Alamein October 1942. My aunt was an army nursing sister. Records so far searched with no success are UK Death indexes from 1956 to 1964 for Margaret Elizabeth Husband WIDDOWSON UK Death indexes 1956-1964 for Margaret Elizabeth Husband SMITH UK Death indexes 1956-1964 for Rita Elizabeth Husband SMITH UK Death indexes 1956-1964 for Rita Elizabeth Husband WIDDOWSON. Have checked on Scotland's People but as the entries only go to 1956 no luck there. I have also searched UK marriage indexes and so far not found a 2nd marriage for her. I would be very grateful if somebody with access to death records from 1956-1964 for either Edinburgh or Perth would be so kind as to do a look up for me or give me some advise as where to try next. Thank you very much Deb Widdowson-Beban Wellington NZ -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 749 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I'm very glad you put this up as I have just discounted a possible ancestor registered in St Cuthbert's as I thought it meant the Catholic Church - and I'm sure my relatives wouldn't be Catholic. So if birth & marriage regs where in St Cuthbert's it then refers to the area not the actual church??? I am looking at (but not sure about) William and Lillias Graham abt. 1820. Son John. Maybe daughter Mary/Margaret. Trisha NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: judy olsen To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:16 AM Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] St Cuthberts Re: Johnston/Thomson I'm by no means an expert on the Edinburgh parishes, but maybe this is a good time to point out to people just how confusing "St Cuthberts" can be. St Cuthberts was a parish like no other I have ever found in the UK. It grew 'like topsy' during the 19thc and included a population way beyond the numbers that could have been accommodated in any of the churches built on the site. I think one figure I had was a population of 40,000 and most churches in Edinburgh seated around 800 at the time. I did a quick google and found this map - no date- but just provides a flavour http://mowbray.homestead.com/files/edinparishes133kb.jpg As you can see. St Cuthberts sweeps round the city. Edinburgh grew with the creation of the New Town but also with massive population influxes and expansion. The growth was in fits and starts as you can see today from the dates of the residential buildings. At some point it created a 'new royalty' which I think included extra parishes but I am afraid I don't know when that was - mid 19thc at a guess. On top of all this, there were at least 20 to 30% of people in Edinburgh who were obliged to call banns at the local parish church but actually attended the many breakaway chapels. Many of these appear as 'marriages' at St Cuthberts via the LDS online indices but the ceremony took place elsewhere and the family would not have baptised their children at the church. In conclusion, in terms of the numbers included in its official remit St Cuthberts was perhaps 20 times the size of a typical Scottish parish and its area was way bigger than its Edinburgh neighbours. Judy On 16 Apr 2007, at 22:01, Doreen Baxter wrote: > Hello Liz > > If Michael married after 1855 his age will be on the certificate > which would give you his year of birth. > > Have you seen the OPR entry for William's birth in 1775? If not, I > will look it up for you on my next visit to New Register House. > There is a remote possibility that it will give more info - but > this is not always the case. It very much depends on who wrote the > entry and how meticulous they were. On one of my lots marriage > entry in 1820, the occupations and addresses were given - if only > they were all like that! > > It is interesting that there are Johnstons and Thomsons in your > line a well. I have found in a number of families that sisters and > brothers married into the same families, so there may well be a > link - all we need to do is break down a few brick walls!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Liz Darby > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 8:03 PM > Subject: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Johnston/Thomson > > > Doreen > > I too have some elusive Johnston/Johnsons from St.Cuthberts, > Edinburgh. My William Johnston was born in the late 1700's, but I > can't find a record. he may have had a brothet Thomas . He married > Elizabeth Black in 1810 in Edinburgh and they had one son, Michael > Thomas, and two daughters, Ruth and Mary. Apart from not having > Michael's birth (only his late marriage and death), there must have > been other children. They were mostly baptised in St.Cuthbert's and > Michael was married there later ( his bride's father, a crofter > from north of Inverness apparently died there too, although this > again is elusive ) > But what I have been trying to get more infromation on is the > birth of a William to William Johnston and Ann Thomson on 6 June > 1775 in Edinburgh parish - any possible link ? > Like you I am confused by all the Johnsons ect in one parish at > about the same time. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

you might be back soon as one of the 1851 'possibles' for Ann gives 'Edinburgh' as place of birth.... Judy On 18 Apr 2007, at 13:56, Alan Elliott wrote: > Ooops sorry, thought Paisley was near (a suburb of) Edinburgh, so > much for > my knowledge of Scotland. > Now I see it is near Glasgow, so perhaps I had better migrate > across there. > For the record Isabella's mum - Ann Bxxxxxxx married John MARSHALL > 5th Oct > 1849 in the Parish of Paisley > > Alan Elliott > Torquay, Victoria, > Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:53 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > > >> Who did Ann marry and what is the connection to Edinburgh? >> >> Judy >> >> >> >> On 18 Apr 2007, at 02:53, Alan Elliott wrote: >> >>> In Melbourne, Australia in 1870 Henry MIDDLETON married Isobella >>> MARSHALL >>> b.1851 Paisley. >>> On their wedding certificate Isobella gave her mothers name as Ann >>> BALLCOMPTON. >>> On the image of her parents wedding 5 Oct 1949 Ann's surname is >>> spelt >>> BALCANCLE ?. >>> >>> All other details of the marriage match the information I have from >>> other >>> sources. >>> But there is no like name in the 1841 census or births on >>> Scotlandspeople >>> for Ann. >>> >>> Are there such names as BALLCOMPTON and BALCANCLE. ? >>> >>> Alan Elliott >>> Torquay, Victoria, >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message