Hi Listers I too jumped at the 20 free credits at Scotland's People, and could not stop there. While I solved a few problems I am now faced with two certificates that have Coroners references. One was a mine accident and does have a list of injuries, which give a clue but the other has no death cause. Are these available and where? Many thanks Janet New Zealand

The Procurator Fiscal issues something similar to a Coroner's Report I think. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > The references won't be to coroners as these don't exist in Scotland. > There may be a record of a Fatal Accident Inquiry from the Sheriff > Court. Your next step should be to get hold of the Register of > Corrected Entries for these certificates which may give further details > of the cause of death and any inquiry- I believe these are due on-line > at Scotlandspeople very soon. > > For the mining accident you may find more information here > http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/index.html > > Cheers > Pete

The references won't be to coroners as these don't exist in Scotland. There may be a record of a Fatal Accident Inquiry from the Sheriff Court. Your next step should be to get hold of the Register of Corrected Entries for these certificates which may give further details of the cause of death and any inquiry- I believe these are due on-line at Scotlandspeople very soon. For the mining accident you may find more information here http://www.mining-villages.co.uk/index.html Cheers Pete >Hi Listers >I too jumped at the 20 free credits at Scotland's People, and could not >stop there. While I solved a few problems I am now faced with two >certificates that have Coroners references. One was a mine accident and >does have a list of injuries, which give a clue but the other has no >death cause. Are these available and where? >Many thanks >Janet >New Zealand ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

If the death was 1855 or later, and there is no cause of death recorded, it must be because the cause was not known. Even then, it's odd, because it should have been signed off by a medical practitioner or noted that there was no medical attendee. Prior to 1855, you are lucky to get a cause of death and even then, it would probably be one passed on by word of mouth. Elizabeth Dods [email protected] On 21-Apr-07, at 3:11 PM, Janet Miller wrote: > Hi Listers > I too jumped at the 20 free credits at Scotland's People, and > could not > stop there. While I solved a few problems I am now faced with two > certificates that have Coroners references. One was a mine > accident and > does have a list of injuries, which give a clue but the other has no > death cause. Are these available and where? > Many thanks > Janet > New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-EDINBURGH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I had a similar situation where death occurred in a Glasgow hospital. The injuries were listed but not the cause of them. At a lister's suggestion I contacted the hospital archives, gave the details and they sent the information and are supposed to be sending the actual ward notes. You could try. Sorry I don't have an address to give you. Good luck, Virginia

Hello List, I went on Scotlandspeople with my 20 free credits and got the bug again so paid for more. When I downloaded My Great Grandmothers sister's 3rd Marriage she put her maiden surname down as Rodger which was correct. Then at the side of that was Bain what through me abit as she married three times not four, But later when I downloaded her first Husband's death certificate he was known as Archibald Bain and not Porteous as I found him with Jessie in the 1891 census not long after they married. It turns out Archibald was illigitimet so was under his mothers maiden Surname as Porteous when he married Jessie Rodger. But he must have found out who his father was as on his death certificate it said his father was William Bain. His mother was Mary Porteous. Archibald Porteous now "Bain" was born in Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland about 1864. He married Jessie Rodger in February 1891 at 116, High Street, Fisherrow, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. Sorry but I have about 3 different dates I thought it was 25th February 1891 but on some of their childrens birth certificates is said 27th and 28th, so not sure. I have their marriage and it looks like 25th February 1891 to me? Archibald Bain and Jessie Rodger had 7 children to my knowledge. William Rodger Bain born 29th, April 1891 Alexander Rodger Bain born 29, January 1893 Margaret Bentley Ritchie Bain born 02, April 1895 Elizabeth Innes Bain born 1897 Archibald Bain born 29th January 1899 Isabella Rodger Bain born 16 November 1900 Mary Porteous Bain born 25th, December 1903. Most of their children were born at 29, South Street, Fisherrow, Musselburgh, Midlothian, Scotland. If anyone has these people in their trees please contact me. Thank you in advance for any information I might recieve. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves nee Paxton

Hello again Forrest, Since receiving your advice & the below Scottish birth registration of Ann I have been able to locate in the Victorian Pioneer Index, 2 more children born to Ann where her surname was written as BALCANQUELL BALLCANKWELL And on her death registration her father's name was written as Benjamin CANKWELL, the Christian name matching the father's name on her Scottish baptismal record. So it looks like we have a match !. Thanks again Regards, Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Elliott" <[email protected]> To: "Forrest Anderson" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > Hello Forrest, > Just the information I was looking for, as it looks like we have a > possible match with this the nearest out of 20 birth records between 1828 > &1832. A name which no doubt could be mangled into BALCANCLE > > Anne BALCANQUHALL, bap 10/8/1828, Leith South, Edinburgh > > Many thanks > > Regards, > Alan Elliott > Torquay, Victoria, > Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Forrest Anderson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > > >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:04:33 +1000, "Alan Elliott" >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>Is it BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE or some other variation ?, in other words >>>were there families in Edinburgh in the early 1800's of either name or >>>both >>>or some other variation ?. >> >> George F Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" has an entry for a name >> which sounds as though it could well be connected to Balcancle - note >> that one variation is Balcancoll: >> >> ------------ >> BALCANQUHALL, BALCANQUHAL. From the lands of the same name in the >> parish of Strathmiglo, Fife. John Belmacancolle was one of the >> garrison of Edinburgh Castle on the English side in 1340 (Bain, III, >> 1323 ). Richard de Balcanko witnessed resignation by Sir David de >> Wemyss of certain lands in Fife in 1373 (Wemyss, II, 15), and John de >> Balmacankow was present at perambulation of the bounds of Kyrknes and >> Louchor in 1395 (RPSA. p. 3). Walter de Balcancolle was a cleric and >> notary public of St. Andrews in 1440 ( RD, p. 297), and eight years >> later Thomas de Balcancole appears as burgess of Kirkcaldy (ibid., 424 >> ). Henry Ballincankol had possession of lands of Carmoir "by thatch >> and turf," 1550, and Walter Ballincankol and Alexander Ballincankol >> appear in same document (Gaw, 23 ). Mr. Walter Maccanqueill was on >> trial before the Assembly in 1575 ( MCM., I, p. 120), and Moysie >> (Memoirs, p. 51, 129, 138), in referring to him spells his name >> Backanquhale, Balkanquholle, and Backanquhell. Walter Ballincanquell >> was retoured heir of his father Alexander Ballincanquell de eodem in >> 1624 (Retours, Fife, 342 ). Anderson (Scot. Nat., I, p. 198 ) >> erroneously says "The surname of Balcanquhall seems to have been in >> course of time changed to Ballingall as more euphonious." Balcancoll >> 1517, Balcanq'll 1640, Balcanquaill 1653, Balcanquo 1639, Balcanquoll >> 1517, Balganquhill 1642; Ballincankoll. >> See MACCANQUALL. >> ------------ >> >> Can't help with Ballcompton though! >> >> Forrest >

Awesome, thank you SO much. All the bits of info make up a picture for me of the area and what it is like. I toured the UK for 9 wks 2 yrs ago so I can visualise what it might be like. ps. I LOVED Edinburgh.Lovely to be able to come and see my 'roots' one day now that I've found them! Trisha NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Hastings To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Eureka !! Brick wall falls. Meant to say too, that Stockbridge, falling outside both the Old and New Towns was in the St Cuthbert's parish. There is a map of the old parish boundaries, published by Albert Russell, here: http://www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html Cheers, Leslie tricia clarke wrote: > Good News, > > Brick wall down!! > > William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. > Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) > and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) > > Now I have my ggg grandparents. > > Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) > > Trisha > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Awesome, thank you SO much. All the bits of info make up a picture for me of the area and what it is like. I toured the UK for 9 wks 2 yrs ago so I can visualise what it might be like. ps. I LOVED Edinburgh.Lovely to be able to come and see my 'roots' one day now that I've found them! Trisha NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Hastings To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] Eureka !! Brick wall falls. Meant to say too, that Stockbridge, falling outside both the Old and New Towns was in the St Cuthbert's parish. There is a map of the old parish boundaries, published by Albert Russell, here: http://www.hoodfamily.info/misc/miscedinmaplarge.html Cheers, Leslie tricia clarke wrote: > Good News, > > Brick wall down!! > > William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. > Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) > and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) > > Now I have my ggg grandparents. > > Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) > > Trisha > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:30:25 +1000, "Alan Elliott" <[email protected]> wrote: >Since receiving your advice & the below Scottish birth registration of Ann I >have been able to locate in the Victorian Pioneer Index, 2 more children >born to Ann where her surname was written as >BALCANQUELL >BALLCANKWELL Glad to have helped! Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: [email protected] Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

We went last year for a few days. It is beautiful, BUT, I spent more on 100% wool tartan in my various colours than we did on the very nice 4 star hotel. Hubbie hasnt suggested a short break in Edinburgh since :-( Liz > >Awesome, thank you SO much. All the bits of info make up a picture for me >of the area and what it is like. I toured the UK for 9 wks 2 yrs ago so I >can visualise what it might be like. >ps. I LOVED Edinburgh.Lovely to be able to come and see my 'roots' one day >now that I've found them! > >Trisha >NZ > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/

Hi, I am researching the following names Dewar, Archibald, Peter, Menzies, Mary, John Morrison, Jane Kay, and others related to this line. Edinburgh area, and other surrounding areas. thanks, Christine

Good News, Brick wall down!! William & Lilly (Lillia sometimes) married 04 Jan 1815 Nth Leith after Banns. It was the whole St Cuthberts thing that threw me. Daughter Margaret b. 27 Dec 1815 Nth Leith, reference to Ciladels/Celadels (???) and my John b. 07 March 1820 St Cuthberts, reference to Stockbridge (???) Now I have my ggg grandparents. Thank you to everyone who helped, and esp. Scotlandspeople site (even after quite a few dollars) Trisha NZ

I find the whole issue of parishes in Edinburgh very confusing, and I don't think I'm the only one. What I think may be at the root of the Roxburgh conundrum is the idea of a quod sacra parish. These were extra parishes designed to soak up the extra numbers. They existed for religious purposes only but they could become fully fledged parishes in time. I cant see any reason why the actual marriage might not take place in the quod sacra parish but it surprises me that the banns were read in both churches as the parish church was the one with the administrative functions. The reference that I gave for the Statistical accounts takes you to a page where the additional churches are referred to as quod sacra churches, not as quad sacra parishes., but perhaps people were a bit casual about how the terms were used. That section of the both also explains the thing about old and new Greyfriars although I still don't think it is particularly clear. Judy

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:53:39 +0100, "Liz Darby" <[email protected]> wrote: >I was born and lived in Edinburgh until my marriage, so I know it quite well. However, in all my years of research, I have never come across a "Roxburgh Parish" or "Old Greyfriars". I wonder if Greyfriars was an actual street address? There was an Edinburgh Parish and a South Leith one. Old Greyfriars Parish was a small parish which included part of the Cowgate and an area to the south, including Argyle Square (now gone, but at the west end of what is now Chambers Street). There also existed New Greyfriar's Parish to the west, which included Greyfriars Church, Candlemaker Row, George Heriot's Hospital etc. Both Old and New are marked on Kirkwood's map of 1817, and you can browse the map at the National Library of Scotland's fine on-line map collection at http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/416.html Choose the left-hand portion of the map and zoom into the right-hand centre of the portion. The parish boundaries are marked with coloured lines, so look for a red line with the Roman number V inside, which indicates the extent of Old Edinburgh parish. A legend which gives the numbers of each parish is at the bottom of the right-hand portion of the map, where you'll see that New Grayfriar's Parish is VI. >When I first looked at this about two years ago I sent a query to the Edinburgh List about the apparent confusion over parishes. I cannot lay my hands on the reply, but it was to the effect that Roxburgh church/parish was an overflow congregation from St.Cuthbert's. Perhaps the gentleman who replied to my query is still a "Lister" ? If you browse or search the archives of this Mailing List at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-EDINBURGH.html you will find that it was John Stevenson who replied to your query. You can read his message at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/sct-edinburgh/2004-05/1083871869 and as he posted here earlier this month, he should still be a subscriber. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: [email protected] Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

I was born and lived in Edinburgh until my marriage, so I know it quite well. However, in all my years of research, I have never come across a "Roxburgh Parish" or "Old Greyfriars". I wonder if Greyfriars was an actual street address? There was an Edinburgh Parish and a South Leith one. Hello Doreen OPR copy from Edinburgh states at top of page "Parish of Edinburgh " GRO wrote that bit. The actual record states " William Johnson landsurveyor and Elizabeth Black H S , Old Grey Friars parish , A D B 10th Jnay last nd Ruth " date is 10 Jan 1822. Hence my assumption that Old Grey Friars was in fact a parish. I have not yet got the OPR copy for her sister Mary born 24 Apr 1824, but I have noted it as "Edinburgh " Parish, Edinburgh. re Roxburgh Parish - IGI ( which I always check ) says of the marriage of Michael Johnson to Janet Noble 17 dec 1837 "at Roxburgh church, Edinburgh" The LDS fiche of that OPR entry for Parish of Roxburgh, Edinburgh ( LDS ref Batch no M195081, 1836 to 1842, film source call no. 0304665) refers to Michael Johnson residing at 4 Hill Square in the Parish of Roxburgh and Janet Noble 17 Gibbs Entry, Nicholson Street in the Parish of St. Cuthberts......." But St. Cuthbert's parish records ( LDS Ref Batch no M 119898, 1833- 1838 film source call 1066765) state "Michael Johnston [sic] of 4 Hill Square, Parish of Roxburgh within this parish and Janet Noble, 17 Gibbs Entry, Nicholson Street in this parish..." The Banns appear to have been read in both churches, although the implication is clearly that they were in fact in the same parish. When I first looked at this about two years ago I sent a query to the Edinburgh List about the apparent confusion over parishes. I cannot lay my hands on the reply, but it was to the effect that Roxburgh church/parish was an overflow congregation from St.Cuthbert's. Perhaps the gentleman who replied to my query is still a "Lister" ? Liz

Hello Forrest, Just the information I was looking for, as it looks like we have a possible match with this the nearest out of 20 birth records between 1828 &1832. A name which no doubt could be mangled into BALCANCLE Anne BALCANQUHALL, bap 10/8/1828, Leith South, Edinburgh Many thanks Regards, Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Anderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:04:33 +1000, "Alan Elliott" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >>Is it BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE or some other variation ?, in other words >>were there families in Edinburgh in the early 1800's of either name or >>both >>or some other variation ?. > > George F Black's "The Surnames of Scotland" has an entry for a name > which sounds as though it could well be connected to Balcancle - note > that one variation is Balcancoll: > > ------------ > BALCANQUHALL, BALCANQUHAL. From the lands of the same name in the > parish of Strathmiglo, Fife. John Belmacancolle was one of the > garrison of Edinburgh Castle on the English side in 1340 (Bain, III, > 1323 ). Richard de Balcanko witnessed resignation by Sir David de > Wemyss of certain lands in Fife in 1373 (Wemyss, II, 15), and John de > Balmacankow was present at perambulation of the bounds of Kyrknes and > Louchor in 1395 (RPSA. p. 3). Walter de Balcancolle was a cleric and > notary public of St. Andrews in 1440 ( RD, p. 297), and eight years > later Thomas de Balcancole appears as burgess of Kirkcaldy (ibid., 424 > ). Henry Ballincankol had possession of lands of Carmoir "by thatch > and turf," 1550, and Walter Ballincankol and Alexander Ballincankol > appear in same document (Gaw, 23 ). Mr. Walter Maccanqueill was on > trial before the Assembly in 1575 ( MCM., I, p. 120), and Moysie > (Memoirs, p. 51, 129, 138), in referring to him spells his name > Backanquhale, Balkanquholle, and Backanquhell. Walter Ballincanquell > was retoured heir of his father Alexander Ballincanquell de eodem in > 1624 (Retours, Fife, 342 ). Anderson (Scot. Nat., I, p. 198 ) > erroneously says "The surname of Balcanquhall seems to have been in > course of time changed to Ballingall as more euphonious." Balcancoll > 1517, Balcanq'll 1640, Balcanquaill 1653, Balcanquo 1639, Balcanquoll > 1517, Balganquhill 1642; Ballincankoll. > See MACCANQUALL. > ------------ > > Can't help with Ballcompton though! > > Forrest

Mary or Maria Urquhart B: abt 1830-1835 Scotland near Edinburgh? M: abt 1853-1859 unk location Spouse: Jhn Hyland born abt 1833 Ireland? No Ireland? D: abt 1872-1877 Woodson Co KS John was widower 1878 with 6 children, youngest born 1872 she may have died at childbirth. Does anyone know of this lady? Thanks so much for your help out there/

Please - when sending in a posting, could you please put in the subject line, the names of your interest. My heart has leapt so often over the past few days when I saw Johnston/Thomson posts, then the disappointment when they had nothing to do with either family! Many thanks, Doreen.

Judy, Ok, your right again, the 1851 census does indicate Ann Bxxxxxx came from Edinburgh (forgot that piece of evidence), but what I wish to know is which name is correct as I cannot find a like name in the 1841 census or births on scotlandspeople, in order to find the birth & parents of Ann. The 1851 census indicates she was born about 1830 Is it BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE or some other variation ?, in other words were there families in Edinburgh in the early 1800's of either name or both or some other variation ?. Alan Elliott Torquay, Victoria, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? > you might be back soon as one of the 1851 'possibles' for Ann gives > 'Edinburgh' as place of birth.... > Judy > On 18 Apr 2007, at 13:56, Alan Elliott wrote: > >> Ooops sorry, thought Paisley was near (a suburb of) Edinburgh, so much >> for >> my knowledge of Scotland. >> Now I see it is near Glasgow, so perhaps I had better migrate across >> there. >> For the record Isabella's mum - Ann Bxxxxxxx married John MARSHALL >> 5th Oct 1849 in the Parish of Paisley >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "judy olsen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [SCT-EDINBURGH] BALLCOMPTON or BALCANCLE ? >>> Who did Ann marry and what is the connection to Edinburgh? >>> Judy > >>> On 18 Apr 2007, at 02:53, Alan Elliott wrote: >>> >>>> In Melbourne, Australia in 1870 Henry MIDDLETON married Isobella >>>> MARSHALL >>>> b.1851 Paisley. >>>> On their wedding certificate Isobella gave her mothers name as Ann >>>> BALLCOMPTON. >>>> On the image of her parents wedding 5 Oct 1949 Ann's surname is spelt >>>> BALCANCLE ?. >>>> All other details of the marriage match the information I have from >>>> other sources. >>>> But there is no like name in the 1841 census or births on >>>> Scotlandspeople for Ann. >>>> >>>> Are there such names as BALLCOMPTON and BALCANCLE. ?