Thankyou very much for this, it is exactly the type of information we all love to see, puts the lives of our ancestors in context. Carol Researching MOFFAT, BARRIE, LOGAN, WILSON, KEDZLIE Prestonkirk, Ormiston, Tranent ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > Good evening listers > John Martine's analytical record of the rural "past" of Haddingtonshire > includes family names we see from time to time on the list. He puts them in > contect and throws in a few anecdotes that brings the humanity out of all the > lists of dates, places and statistics. > This postings extracted from my copy of "Reminiscences and Notices of the > Parishes of the County of Haddington " > by JOHN MARTINE published 1890 using information from the 1755, 1793 and 1841 > Statistical Accounts of Haddingtonshire. To help while away the wee hours . > > <There are in and around Gifford many pleasant houses and residences, such as > Gifford Vale, long the residence of William Begbie, Esq., Mr Hutton, Mr John > Hay, and Mrs Hay, who lived to a long age, now of Mr Alexander Hay, merchant, > Leith; Holyn Bank, where Miss Hay, late of Duncan Law, long lived, now the > residence of Peter B. Swinton, Esq., the factor on the estate; and Gifford > Bank. The Free church and manse are pleasantly situated on the road leading > south to Danskine, &c. There are a row of excellent houses, including Mr > Ogilvie's opposite the village green. Gifford is a post and telegraph town, a > sub-office to Haddington. There are three trysts or fairs held annually in > March, June, and October. They were important and large fairs some years ago > for the sale of sheep, cattle, and horses, and frequented always by showmen, > gingerbread vendors, merry-go-rounds, coopers to sell bickers, cogs, and > tubs; shoemakers to sell shoes; tinkers and gipsies to sell baskets and > horn-spoons. Cooper Neillans of Garvald used to tell that he attended Gifford > fair for over fifty years. The school boys at the Haddington schools used to > get the play to go up and see Gifford fair. Lots of horse dealers from all > parts attended. An old Haddington deacon used to remark that they were the > "waill of men.' Of late years Gifford fairs have fallen off very much, and > have almost died a natural death, owing chiefly to the weekly auction sales > for cattle and sheep in Edinburgh, Dalkeith, and Haddington. > They are now the relics of former days. There were for many years six public > houses in Gifford for the sale of foreign and British spirits, porter, and > ale. Now there is but one - the Tweeddale Arms. A louping-on-stane, a > distinguishing erection yet in many a Scotch village, stands opposite the inn > door, and above it the old fashioned swinging signboard, with the Tweeddale > arms painted on it. An old occupant and owner of the Tweeddale Arms was David > Swinton, who carried on a small brewery for many years, a necessary appendage > in old times to a village hostelry. His successors also carried it on for > some time. Mrs Ayton for many years also carried on another of the principal > houses. A roaring trade was done on fair days in spirits and ales.&c. > A good story is told of two Lammermuir herds who always attended Gifford > fairs. They made a point of drinking a gill of whiskey in every public house. > On one occasion when on the road going home they recollected that they had > forgot one house, and they came back to drink it. > When the late Earl of Gifford was born in 1822, the first male heir at that > time to the Yester estates, great rejoicings and jollifications took place in > Gifford. An ox was roasted in the green and the meat with a certain quantum > of ale was distributed among the villagers. The marriage of Lord Ramsay, > afterwards Marquis of Dalhousie, Governor-general of India, with Lady Susan > Hay, in 1836, was a grand event on the Yester estate. After the marriage and > before he carried off his bride, Lord Ramsay came out to the lawn accompanied > by the Marquis, the Earl of Dalhousie his father and a large assemblage of > relatives, and addressed the large crowd of tenants, villagers, and > Haddington people. He made an elegant and grateful speech, and said > he was just about to carry off the "Lily of the valley." A large company was > entertained to dinner in the riding school. It is sad to think that the > largely gifted life of the Marquis of Dalhousie was not longer spared. During > his eight years' government of India, from 1847 to 1855, he accomplished and > carried through many important events which have tended much to the > consolidation and strength of British sway in India. > A bleachfield on the banks of the Gifford water was long carried on by Mr > Wood. afterwards > by Mr John Traill, where a considerable trade was done, but it was given up > many years ago. A woollen or "wauk' mill was also carried on by Mr Weir. and > afterwards by Mr Roger Robson, who removed to Haddington. A meal mill still > exists on the Gifford water. At one time there were a great number of weavers > in Gifford.Not one now exists. > Among them were Blacks, Barries, Browns, &c. Many old names will still be > recollected in Gifford - Miss Hay. Mrs Carfrae, Mrs General Forbes at Holyn > Bank. Mr Gilbertson, factor at Gifford Bank; Mr James Porteous, saddler (the > Pin of the Tabernacle); William Craise, wood merchant; William Wight, baker; > James Sligh. grocer; Miss M'Connel. baker; Richard Ewen. merchant; Mrs Ayton. > innkeeper; Peter and James Cockbum. shoemakers; William Tait, wood merchant; > Miss Coalston, post mistress. James Lidgate; carrier; James Bald, butcher; > Alexander Instant, wright. The old schoolmasters were Mr Paterson, Mr Peter > M'Kay. and Archibald Hunter in Long Yester, much respected in their day. Mr > William D. M'Kay, the celebrated Scotch artist, is a son of Mr Peter M'Kay. > and a native of Gifford.> > Hope you found that entertaining if not informative. > Regards > George Wallace > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Carol I'm not sure if I've contacted you before about your Kedzlie connections, but I would be interested to know if they are related to mine. Margaret Kedzlie (born 1747) married William Hume presumably in Prestonpans as all my other ancestors are from there. Margaret's parents were William Kedzlie and Elizabeth Hog. Regards Marilyn in Masterton, New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > Thankyou very much for this, it is exactly the type of information we all > love to see, puts the lives of our ancestors in context. > Carol > Researching MOFFAT, BARRIE, LOGAN, WILSON, KEDZLIE > Prestonkirk, Ormiston, Tranent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:11 AM > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > > > > Good evening listers > > John Martine's analytical record of the rural "past" of Haddingtonshire > > includes family names we see from time to time on the list. He puts them > in > > contect and throws in a few anecdotes that brings the humanity out of all > the > > lists of dates, places and statistics. > > This postings extracted from my copy of "Reminiscences and Notices of the > > Parishes of the County of Haddington " > > by JOHN MARTINE published 1890 using information from the 1755, 1793 and > 1841 > > Statistical Accounts of Haddingtonshire. To help while away the wee hours > . > > > > <There are in and around Gifford many pleasant houses and residences, such > as > > Gifford Vale, long the residence of William Begbie, Esq., Mr Hutton, Mr > John > > Hay, and Mrs Hay, who lived to a long age, now of Mr Alexander Hay, > merchant, > > Leith; Holyn Bank, where Miss Hay, late of Duncan Law, long lived, now the > > residence of Peter B. Swinton, Esq., the factor on the estate; and Gifford > > Bank. The Free church and manse are pleasantly situated on the road > leading > > south to Danskine, &c. There are a row of excellent houses, including Mr > > Ogilvie's opposite the village green. Gifford is a post and telegraph > town, a > > sub-office to Haddington. There are three trysts or fairs held annually in > > March, June, and October. They were important and large fairs some years > ago > > for the sale of sheep, cattle, and horses, and frequented always by > showmen, > > gingerbread vendors, merry-go-rounds, coopers to sell bickers, cogs, and > > tubs; shoemakers to sell shoes; tinkers and gipsies to sell baskets and > > horn-spoons. Cooper Neillans of Garvald used to tell that he attended > Gifford > > fair for over fifty years. The school boys at the Haddington schools used > to > > get the play to go up and see Gifford fair. Lots of horse dealers from all > > parts attended. An old Haddington deacon used to remark that they were the > > "waill of men.' Of late years Gifford fairs have fallen off very much, and > > have almost died a natural death, owing chiefly to the weekly auction > sales > > for cattle and sheep in Edinburgh, Dalkeith, and Haddington. > > They are now the relics of former days. There were for many years six > public > > houses in Gifford for the sale of foreign and British spirits, porter, and > > ale. Now there is but one - the Tweeddale Arms. A louping-on-stane, a > > distinguishing erection yet in many a Scotch village, stands opposite the > inn > > door, and above it the old fashioned swinging signboard, with the > Tweeddale > > arms painted on it. An old occupant and owner of the Tweeddale Arms was > David > > Swinton, who carried on a small brewery for many years, a necessary > appendage > > in old times to a village hostelry. His successors also carried it on for > > some time. Mrs Ayton for many years also carried on another of the > principal > > houses. A roaring trade was done on fair days in spirits and ales.&c. > > A good story is told of two Lammermuir herds who always attended Gifford > > fairs. They made a point of drinking a gill of whiskey in every public > house. > > On one occasion when on the road going home they recollected that they had > > forgot one house, and they came back to drink it. > > When the late Earl of Gifford was born in 1822, the first male heir at > that > > time to the Yester estates, great rejoicings and jollifications took place > in > > Gifford. An ox was roasted in the green and the meat with a certain > quantum > > of ale was distributed among the villagers. The marriage of Lord Ramsay, > > afterwards Marquis of Dalhousie, Governor-general of India, with Lady > Susan > > Hay, in 1836, was a grand event on the Yester estate. After the marriage > and > > before he carried off his bride, Lord Ramsay came out to the lawn > accompanied > > by the Marquis, the Earl of Dalhousie his father and a large assemblage of > > relatives, and addressed the large crowd of tenants, villagers, and > > Haddington people. He made an elegant and grateful speech, and said > > he was just about to carry off the "Lily of the valley." A large company > was > > entertained to dinner in the riding school. It is sad to think that the > > largely gifted life of the Marquis of Dalhousie was not longer spared. > During > > his eight years' government of India, from 1847 to 1855, he accomplished > and > > carried through many important events which have tended much to the > > consolidation and strength of British sway in India. > > A bleachfield on the banks of the Gifford water was long carried on by Mr > > Wood. afterwards > > by Mr John Traill, where a considerable trade was done, but it was given > up > > many years ago. A woollen or "wauk' mill was also carried on by Mr Weir. > and > > afterwards by Mr Roger Robson, who removed to Haddington. A meal mill > still > > exists on the Gifford water. At one time there were a great number of > weavers > > in Gifford.Not one now exists. > > Among them were Blacks, Barries, Browns, &c. Many old names will still be > > recollected in Gifford - Miss Hay. Mrs Carfrae, Mrs General Forbes at > Holyn > > Bank. Mr Gilbertson, factor at Gifford Bank; Mr James Porteous, saddler > (the > > Pin of the Tabernacle); William Craise, wood merchant; William Wight, > baker; > > James Sligh. grocer; Miss M'Connel. baker; Richard Ewen. merchant; Mrs > Ayton. > > innkeeper; Peter and James Cockbum. shoemakers; William Tait, wood > merchant; > > Miss Coalston, post mistress. James Lidgate; carrier; James Bald, butcher; > > Alexander Instant, wright. The old schoolmasters were Mr Paterson, Mr > Peter > > M'Kay. and Archibald Hunter in Long Yester, much respected in their day. > Mr > > William D. M'Kay, the celebrated Scotch artist, is a son of Mr Peter > M'Kay. > > and a native of Gifford.> > > Hope you found that entertaining if not informative. > > Regards > > George Wallace > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, > Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, > Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Marilyn, funnily enough I started to draught a message about my KEDZLIE interests earlier today Alex MOFFAT m Alice Kedzlie WILSON Tranent 1902 We have learned that Alice was born in Tranent 1863, her parents were Andrew WILSON and Alison KEDZLIE/KEDSLIE Alison (known as Alice) is, we believe, the daughter of Henry Turnbull KEDZLIE and Eliza Sinclair GRAY Their children are as follows 1821 Jane Gray 1823 William 1825 Alison Turnbull 1827 Thomas Gray 1829 Margeret 1831 John Alison and Andrew WILSON named their children Andrew, Henry Kedzlie, Eliza Gray, Alice and Annie which ties in with the scottish naming patterns and also use the Surnames of Kedzlie and Gray as middle names, makes us reasonabley certain that this is correct. My visit to Scots Origin also provides only one Alison or Henry KEDZLIE, in fact there were 11 KEDZLIE's born in Tranent in the period 1800 - 1900 the rest were from Prestonpans as listed below. Henry died 1866 at Tranent aged 69 Perhaps these may help you. These are all the ones from Prestonpans and the period covered was 1800 - 1900 Unfortunately I didn't go back any further, ran out of credits...... 1833 James David/Margeret BRYCE Prestonpans 1859 JOhn ? " 1828 Margeret William/Margeret HALDANE " 1836 Margeret David/Margeret BRYCE " 1856 Mary ? " 1836 Thomas David/Margeret BRYCE " 1834 William Limom Willam/Susan SHERRIFF " Anyway this is all a very long winded way of giving you the information that I have, must be all the chocolate we've been eating !!!! Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Revell <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > Hi Carol > I'm not sure if I've contacted you before about your Kedzlie connections, > but I would be interested to know if they are related to mine. > Margaret Kedzlie (born 1747) married William Hume presumably in Prestonpans > as all my other ancestors are from there. Margaret's parents were William > Kedzlie and Elizabeth Hog. > Regards > Marilyn in Masterton, New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carol" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > > > > Thankyou very much for this, it is exactly the type of information we all > > love to see, puts the lives of our ancestors in context. > > Carol > > Researching MOFFAT, BARRIE, LOGAN, WILSON, KEDZLIE > > Prestonkirk, Ormiston, Tranent > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:11 AM > > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Yester Parish Trades and Tails > > > > > > > Good evening listers > > > John Martine's analytical record of the rural "past" of Haddingtonshire > > > includes family names we see from time to time on the list. He puts them > > in > > > contect and throws in a few anecdotes that brings the humanity out of > all > > the > > > lists of dates, places and statistics. > > > This postings extracted from my copy of "Reminiscences and Notices of > the > > > Parishes of the County of Haddington " > > > by JOHN MARTINE published 1890 using information from the 1755, 1793 and > > 1841 > > > Statistical Accounts of Haddingtonshire. To help while away the wee > hours > > . > > > > > > <There are in and around Gifford many pleasant houses and residences, > such > > as > > > Gifford Vale, long the residence of William Begbie, Esq., Mr Hutton, Mr > > John > > > Hay, and Mrs Hay, who lived to a long age, now of Mr Alexander Hay, > > merchant, > > > Leith; Holyn Bank, where Miss Hay, late of Duncan Law, long lived, now > the > > > residence of Peter B. Swinton, Esq., the factor on the estate; and > Gifford > > > Bank. The Free church and manse are pleasantly situated on the road > > leading > > > south to Danskine, &c. There are a row of excellent houses, including Mr > > > Ogilvie's opposite the village green. Gifford is a post and telegraph > > town, a > > > sub-office to Haddington. There are three trysts or fairs held annually > in > > > March, June, and October. They were important and large fairs some years > > ago > > > for the sale of sheep, cattle, and horses, and frequented always by > > showmen, > > > gingerbread vendors, merry-go-rounds, coopers to sell bickers, cogs, and > > > tubs; shoemakers to sell shoes; tinkers and gipsies to sell baskets and > > > horn-spoons. Cooper Neillans of Garvald used to tell that he attended > > Gifford > > > fair for over fifty years. The school boys at the Haddington schools > used > > to > > > get the play to go up and see Gifford fair. Lots of horse dealers from > all > > > parts attended. An old Haddington deacon used to remark that they were > the > > > "waill of men.' Of late years Gifford fairs have fallen off very much, > and > > > have almost died a natural death, owing chiefly to the weekly auction > > sales > > > for cattle and sheep in Edinburgh, Dalkeith, and Haddington. > > > They are now the relics of former days. There were for many years six > > public > > > houses in Gifford for the sale of foreign and British spirits, porter, > and > > > ale. Now there is but one - the Tweeddale Arms. A louping-on-stane, a > > > distinguishing erection yet in many a Scotch village, stands opposite > the > > inn > > > door, and above it the old fashioned swinging signboard, with the > > Tweeddale > > > arms painted on it. An old occupant and owner of the Tweeddale Arms was > > David > > > Swinton, who carried on a small brewery for many years, a necessary > > appendage > > > in old times to a village hostelry. His successors also carried it on > for > > > some time. Mrs Ayton for many years also carried on another of the > > principal > > > houses. A roaring trade was done on fair days in spirits and ales.&c. > > > A good story is told of two Lammermuir herds who always attended Gifford > > > fairs. They made a point of drinking a gill of whiskey in every public > > house. > > > On one occasion when on the road going home they recollected that they > had > > > forgot one house, and they came back to drink it. > > > When the late Earl of Gifford was born in 1822, the first male heir at > > that > > > time to the Yester estates, great rejoicings and jollifications took > place > > in > > > Gifford. An ox was roasted in the green and the meat with a certain > > quantum > > > of ale was distributed among the villagers. The marriage of Lord Ramsay, > > > afterwards Marquis of Dalhousie, Governor-general of India, with Lady > > Susan > > > Hay, in 1836, was a grand event on the Yester estate. After the marriage > > and > > > before he carried off his bride, Lord Ramsay came out to the lawn > > accompanied > > > by the Marquis, the Earl of Dalhousie his father and a large assemblage > of > > > relatives, and addressed the large crowd of tenants, villagers, and > > > Haddington people. He made an elegant and grateful speech, and said > > > he was just about to carry off the "Lily of the valley." A large company > > was > > > entertained to dinner in the riding school. It is sad to think that the > > > largely gifted life of the Marquis of Dalhousie was not longer spared. > > During > > > his eight years' government of India, from 1847 to 1855, he accomplished > > and > > > carried through many important events which have tended much to the > > > consolidation and strength of British sway in India. > > > A bleachfield on the banks of the Gifford water was long carried on by > Mr > > > Wood. afterwards > > > by Mr John Traill, where a considerable trade was done, but it was given > > up > > > many years ago. A woollen or "wauk' mill was also carried on by Mr Weir. > > and > > > afterwards by Mr Roger Robson, who removed to Haddington. A meal mill > > still > > > exists on the Gifford water. At one time there were a great number of > > weavers > > > in Gifford.Not one now exists. > > > Among them were Blacks, Barries, Browns, &c. Many old names will still > be > > > recollected in Gifford - Miss Hay. Mrs Carfrae, Mrs General Forbes at > > Holyn > > > Bank. Mr Gilbertson, factor at Gifford Bank; Mr James Porteous, saddler > > (the > > > Pin of the Tabernacle); William Craise, wood merchant; William Wight, > > baker; > > > James Sligh. grocer; Miss M'Connel. baker; Richard Ewen. merchant; Mrs > > Ayton. > > > innkeeper; Peter and James Cockbum. shoemakers; William Tait, wood > > merchant; > > > Miss Coalston, post mistress. James Lidgate; carrier; James Bald, > butcher; > > > Alexander Instant, wright. The old schoolmasters were Mr Paterson, Mr > > Peter > > > M'Kay. and Archibald Hunter in Long Yester, much respected in their day. > > Mr > > > William D. M'Kay, the celebrated Scotch artist, is a son of Mr Peter > > M'Kay. > > > and a native of Gifford.> > > > Hope you found that entertaining if not informative. > > > Regards > > > George Wallace > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, > > Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, > Gladsmuir, > > Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accoun ts > of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier online at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >