This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Yarwood, Pentland, Collins, Crowther, Wheatley, Mercer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/60.1 Message Board Post: My grandmother was Norah Lucy Pentland, daughter of Joseph george Pentland, a printer and city coulcillor in 1903 in Birmingham. Did your Joseph Pentland have a second forename? Did he have a relation Fred who played football for England? Colin Pentlad David Yarwood