This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith, Kennedy, Cockburn, Smith, Williams, Lightfoot, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1099.2 Message Board Post: Hi Trena I am the GGGdaughter of Thomas Young Smith and have researched the family for twenty years. I have amassed a large amount of data Please contact me direct with how you fit into the family. regards Joy Roy (nee Smith)

Apologies to those who receive this on more than one list. I'm looking for everyone who can claim a family connection to McKERRELLs on the Isle of Islay, Argyllshire, Scotland. They are widely scattered and are known to have settled at least in Canada, South Africa, East Africa, USA and Australia. The reason for the search is to invite them to the very first family reunion called "The McKerrells Return to Islay" http://clanmckerrell.50free.net/return.htm, to be held on Islay from 11 to 13 June 2004. The event is designed to be high on fun and low on formality, a chance to meet new relatives and old friends, and to find their place in the family tree. The Chieftain of the McKerrells, Charles McKerrell of Hillhouse, has expressed an interest in attending. The date was chosen to complement "Tilleadh Chlann Ile" (http://www.islayreturn.com) a family history event for subscribers to the SCT-ISLAY list that is being held on Islay from 6 to 10 June 2004. I know there are lots of Islay McKerrell descendants out there, whatever their present surname and however it is spelled. If you know of any, I'd be grateful if you can pass on to them the text of this message, or simply let me have their e-mail address.. I can be contacted at clanmckerrell@hotmail.com, or via the Islay McKerrells website at http://clanmckerrell.50free.net/return.htm. My grateful thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide. Jim Baird in sunny Western Australia

, > Are the Kirk Session Minutes only available for viewing in Scotland or does > the LDS > have any on film? Sounds like a great source of info. Good evening Barb, The majority of KSM are held at National Archives of Scotland, Edinburgh, although a small number are retained at local archives. EXTRACTS from some KSM are available on line usually under family names I have no knowledge of the KSM being available at LDS but bear in mind having the facility on my doorstep I have had no need to find out !!! If you care to look at Diane Bapties site at http://genealogypro.com/articles/NAS.html you will find a full explanation of what is available. Come back if I can help further. Regards. John. John D. Stevenson, Trinity Research Services, Scottish Maritime History Research. Edinburgh.

Thank you to John Stevenson and others for the time and effort you all put into answering our questions regarding Kirk Sessions and OPR's! This board is full of wonderful, helpful people that make our adventures into our family histories so much more successful and thus rewarding! I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I might access these Kirk Session records on the internet please? Alba gu bràth! Regards, Jim Walker scotlandforever7@aol.com      http://hometown.aol.com/scotlandforever7/myhomepage/profile.html http://www.electricscotland.com/tourist/tours/tour26.htm Researching: Walker, McCleod, Anderson, Bauer, Barrie, Begbie, Black, Blakie, Blyth, Bolton, Bowers, Brown, Brydon, Clark, Clemente, Cockburn, Crawford, D algleish, Davidson, Daniels, Denham, Denholm, Douglas, Edington, Idington, F oggo, Glasgow, Goodal, Grieve, Guyler, Haworth, Henderson, Hogg, Hope, Hunter, J ohnstone, Kinnaird, Logan, Lorimer, MacCalley, Mackadam, McFadden, McLeish, McMorran, Miller, Olson, Paulos, Peffers, Pendridge, Pennycuik, Pow, Proudfoot, R ichardson, Scott, Sligo, Storie, Sweet, Thompson, Watt, Wright, Yelineck.... Mostly from Scotland, East Lothian / East Linton / Prestonkirk, Tain, areas! Also England, France, California, Wisconson, South Dakota, Menlo Park, San Jose, Campbell

> Could you please tell me what the difference is between the kirk session > minutes and the OPR's? > Sandi in Idaho > Good morning Sandi, This is just a thumbnail if you want more detail please come back to me off list OPR. - OLD PARISH REGISTERS This was a register kept by the Session Clerk or the Minister but in some cases, especially in rural districts, by the local scoolmaster or doctor. It contained a record of b,m,d in the parish. The details recorded variing GREATLY from parish to parish. Up until the late 18th C it was the ministers responsibility to "find" and record these events hence the number of "blanks" we find. KIRK SESSION MINUTES The church had/has a "management committee" made up of the Minister, Session Clerk and the Elders of the Church. Their job was/is to ensure the Church and Parish were run in accordance with the teachings of the church., maintain the buildinngs help the poor and needy etc. These minutes, kept by the SC, record the meetings and work carried out by the Session in attempting to meet these goals. They contain a wealth of information for Family and Local Historian alike. Recorded are church/parish events , misdemeanors ( fornications etc) by parishiners, repairs,the financial affairs of the parish , care and maintenance of the local graveyard and many other details of the day to day running of the particular church.and parish Many SC's kept note of b, ch and d's plus the Mort Cloth at the back of the ledger some of which did not appear in the OPR.. ( these were events that earned the church/parish money) The quality of information recorded varies considerably and in some cases can be very sketchy Unfortunately as is bound to happen some of the volumes have not survived , but on the whole there is very good percentage of availability. Being a maritime researcher , rather than a genealogist, I find them of great help when researching coastal parishes where the majority of families had a connection with the sea . Trust this is of some help. Regards. John. John D. Stevenson, Trinity Research Services, Scottish Maritime History Research. Edinburgh.

Hello John, Are the Kirk Session Minutes only available for viewing in Scotland or does the LDS have any on film? Sounds like a great source of info. Regards from Canada, Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. Stevenson." <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Kirk Sessions > > > Could you please tell me what the difference is between the kirk session > > minutes and the OPR's? > > Sandi in Idaho > > > Good morning Sandi, > This is just a thumbnail if you want more detail please come back to me off > list > OPR. - OLD PARISH REGISTERS > This was a register kept by the Session Clerk or the Minister but in some > cases, especially in rural districts, by the local scoolmaster or doctor. > It contained a record of b,m,d in the parish. The details recorded variing > GREATLY from parish to parish. > Up until the late 18th C it was the ministers responsibility to "find" and > record these events hence the number of "blanks" we find. > > KIRK SESSION MINUTES > The church had/has a "management committee" made up of the Minister, Session > Clerk and the Elders of the Church. > Their job was/is to ensure the Church and Parish were run in accordance with > the teachings of the church., maintain the buildinngs help the poor and > needy etc. > These minutes, kept by the SC, record the meetings and work carried out by > the Session in attempting to meet these goals. > They contain a wealth of information for Family and Local Historian alike. > Recorded are church/parish events , misdemeanors ( fornications etc) by > parishiners, repairs,the financial affairs of the parish , care and > maintenance of the local graveyard and many other details of the day to day > running of the particular church.and parish > Many SC's kept note of b, ch and d's plus the Mort Cloth at the back of the > ledger some of which did not appear in the OPR.. ( these were events that > earned the church/parish money) > The quality of information recorded varies considerably and in some cases > can be very sketchy > Unfortunately as is bound to happen some of the volumes have not survived , > but on the whole there is very good percentage of availability. > Being a maritime researcher , rather than a genealogist, I find them of > great help when researching coastal parishes where the majority of families > had a connection with the sea . > > Trust this is of some help. > Regards. > John. > > John D. Stevenson, > Trinity Research Services, > Scottish Maritime History Research. > Edinburgh. > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Search the archives of this list by going to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the best place to view the Kirk sessions you mentioned in your response to Mr. Sammis or is there a better location? I will be searching Prestonkirk, and several other parishes in East Lothian, Tain / Ross Cromarty, etc. Good evening Jim,, What , I think ,Sue was referring to were the "KIRK SESSION MINUTES" These are held at Nat Arch of Scot, Edinburgh and are the original handwritten volumes.. They are a fund of information on all aspects of the parish life and can be of great help to the family and local historian alike. Many of the Session Clerks kept their own records , at the back of the volume, relating to christenings, marriages, deaths and the Mort Cloth ,( all the things the church could make income out of !) plus items of interest that might have ocurred in relation to the church and congregation. Where the source for research is a coastal parish often the loss of local fishing vessels and their crews are mentioned - very helpful in the days before registration Regards. John. John D. Stevenson, Trinity Research Services, Scottish Maritime History Research. Edinburgh.

John D. Stevenson. wrote: > >> Is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the best place to view the Kirk sessions you >> mentioned in your response to Mr. Sammis or is there a better location? > > >Good evening Jim,, >What , I think ,Sue was referring to were the "KIRK SESSION MINUTES" >These are held at Nat Arch of Scot, Edinburgh and are the original >handwritten volumes.. >They are a fund of information on all aspects of the parish life and can be >of great help to the family and local historian alike. > Could you please tell me what the difference is between the kirk session minutes and the OPR's? Sandi in Idaho

Helllo Sue!!!!! Would you mind taking a minute for a short question please? Is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk the best place to view the Kirk sessions you mentioned in your response to Mr. Sammis or is there a better location? I will be searching Prestonkirk, and several other parishes in East Lothian, Tain / Ross Cromarty, etc. Thank you for your time :-) Alba gu bràth! Regards, Jim Walker scotlandforever7@aol.com      http://hometown.aol.com/scotlandforever7/myhomepage/profile.html http://www.electricscotland.com/tourist/tours/tour26.htm Researching: Walker, McCleod, Anderson, Bauer, Barrie, Begbie, Black, Blakie, Blyth, Bolton, Bowers, Brown, Brydon, Clark, Clemente, Cockburn, Crawford, D algleish, Davidson, Daniels, Denham, Denholm, Douglas, Edington, Idington, F oggo, Glasgow, Goodal, Grieve, Guyler, Haworth, Henderson, Hogg, Hope, Hunter, J ohnstone, Kinnaird, Logan, Lorimer, MacCalley, Mackadam, McFadden, McLeish, McMorran, Miller, Olson, Paulos, Peffers, Pendridge, Pennycuik, Pow, Proudfoot, R ichardson, Scott, Sligo, Storie, Sweet, Thompson, Watt, Wright, Yelineck.... Mostly from Scotland, East Lothian / East Linton / Prestonkirk, Tain, areas! Also England, France, California, Wisconson, South Dakota, Menlo Park, San Jose, Campbell

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/922.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Elizabeth, Thanks for the information on William. I am now going to attempt to tie up all the Anderson information I have, But I'm sure you've found out that Anderson is almost like Smith so it's sometimes difficult to get connections, but I will keeptrying. Thanks

Hello, Sue, thanks for your note. Yes, I think I will have to look in the kirk session minutes, although they can be very difficult to search since I have a wide range of years and a number of parishes to look through. He was Irish Catholic, she was Church of Scotland, and I suspect they had a Catholic wedding since they baptized their children in the Catholic church. I have already searched the Catholic marriage records for Edinburgh, Dundee, Glasgow and Paisley without finding them, however (these were the only nearby Catholic churches at that time whose records have survived.) Most Catholic couples had their banns read at the Church of Scotland, even if their wedding was at a Catholic church. That means that there should be records of their marriage in two places, not just one. That makes it very frustrating that I haven't found them after considerable searching to date! Best regards, Walt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN THOMPSON" <transatlanticmum@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] LAFFERTY and PEFFERS in the Haddington area > Hi Walt, > I suggest you try www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk as I have found they sometimes have data the IGI doesn't have if that fails you need to look at the Kirk sessions for the parish's as some marriages were 'irregular' ie. they didn't register them but sometimes when that happened the church would admonish them in the kirk sessions failing that if they had any children after 1855 the marriage date will be mentioned on the child's birth registration again that will be on the scotlandspeople site. > Sue > > Walt Sammis <walt@sammis.com> wrote: > Hello, everyone, I have a question about the quality of the IGI data for East Lothian. > > I am searching for a marriage which took place in Haddingtonshire in 1820-1833 (most likely 1828-1831). It either took place in Haddington itself or else in one of the immediately surrounding parishes of Garvald, Gladsmuir, Bolton, Pencaitland, Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Prestonkirk, Morham, Gifford or Salton. (The family has events in all these parishes except for Prestonkirk.) > > This marriage is not listed in the IGI, so my question is whether, in your experience, the IGI data is accurate and complete for all of these parishes or whether perhaps some of them are incomplete or full of errors in the IGI. This would help me decide which parishes to look at first. > > The event is the marriage of Peter LAFFERTY and Elizabeth PEFFERS. > > Thanks for your advice! Walt Sammis. > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Share your record transcripts by entering them in the Scotland BDM Exchange today. Go to http://www.sctbdm.com/ to search or submit births, deaths, and marriages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > --------------------------------- > Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD" > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Oldhamstocks, Ormiston, Pencaitland, Prestonkirk, Prestonpans, Saltoun, Spott, Stenton, Tranent, Tynninghame, Whitekirk, Whittinghame, Yester > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Walt, I suggest you try www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk as I have found they sometimes have data the IGI doesn't have if that fails you need to look at the Kirk sessions for the parish's as some marriages were 'irregular' ie. they didn't register them but sometimes when that happened the church would admonish them in the kirk sessions failing that if they had any children after 1855 the marriage date will be mentioned on the child's birth registration again that will be on the scotlandspeople site. Sue Walt Sammis <walt@sammis.com> wrote: Hello, everyone, I have a question about the quality of the IGI data for East Lothian. I am searching for a marriage which took place in Haddingtonshire in 1820-1833 (most likely 1828-1831). It either took place in Haddington itself or else in one of the immediately surrounding parishes of Garvald, Gladsmuir, Bolton, Pencaitland, Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Prestonkirk, Morham, Gifford or Salton. (The family has events in all these parishes except for Prestonkirk.) This marriage is not listed in the IGI, so my question is whether, in your experience, the IGI data is accurate and complete for all of these parishes or whether perhaps some of them are incomplete or full of errors in the IGI. This would help me decide which parishes to look at first. The event is the marriage of Peter LAFFERTY and Elizabeth PEFFERS. Thanks for your advice! Walt Sammis. ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== Share your record transcripts by entering them in the Scotland BDM Exchange today. Go to http://www.sctbdm.com/ to search or submit births, deaths, and marriages. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD"

Hello, everyone, I have a question about the quality of the IGI data for East Lothian. I am searching for a marriage which took place in Haddingtonshire in 1820-1833 (most likely 1828-1831). It either took place in Haddington itself or else in one of the immediately surrounding parishes of Garvald, Gladsmuir, Bolton, Pencaitland, Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Prestonkirk, Morham, Gifford or Salton. (The family has events in all these parishes except for Prestonkirk.) This marriage is not listed in the IGI, so my question is whether, in your experience, the IGI data is accurate and complete for all of these parishes or whether perhaps some of them are incomplete or full of errors in the IGI. This would help me decide which parishes to look at first. The event is the marriage of Peter LAFFERTY and Elizabeth PEFFERS. Thanks for your advice! Walt Sammis.

My gr x 4 grandmother Grizel Johnston b. 1782 Tranent, was a convict transported to Australia in 1811 on 'Friends'. She had been tried in 1808. On the way to Australia she gave birth to a son, John Eddington. She stated that his father was also John Eddington, although on his death certificate it states that his father was Adam Eddington, a fisherman. I'm not sure what is true and what isn't but their are some descendants of this John Eddington in Australia. Although I have tried to contact them, no success as yet. I'm not sure what connection this has to your research but you never know what will turn up. Regards Jenny Long

Looking for information on my EDDINGTON ancestors. John EDDINGTON born 1845 father Archibald mother Janet (Kirkwood). Resided at Barrybill?Berrybill? is this a parish in Dunbar. John married Mary (Hughes) 1872 Edinburgh. This is all I know about this family but I would love more information.

Hi Ken, I suggest you contact Tom Kirkwood on tkirkwood@twentytwo.fsntet.co he may be able to help with the kirkwood side. Sue ken Millward <kap.millward@clear.net.nz> wrote: Looking for information on my EDDINGTON ancestors. John EDDINGTON born 1845 father Archibald mother Janet (Kirkwood). Resided at Barrybill?Berrybill? is this a parish in Dunbar. John married Mary (Hughes) 1872 Edinburgh. This is all I know about this family but I would love more information. ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Oldhamstocks, Ormiston, Pencaitland, Prestonkirk, Prestonpans, Saltoun, Spott, Stenton, Tranent, Tynninghame, Whitekirk, Whittinghame, Yester ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Download Yahoo! Messenger now for a chance to WIN Robbie Williams "Live At Knebworth DVD"

Hi All, My name is Shawn Rennie and my Grandparents x 8 came from East Lothian in Scotland, they were ALEXANDER1 RENNIE was born in Haddingtonshire, East Lothian, Scotland, and died Bef. 1820. He married ELIZABETH BROWN. She was born in Haddingtonshire, East Lothian, Scotland. They came with the 1820 settlers to South Africa. If anyone has information on the Rennie's what they did or where they lived or if there are any Rennie's still living there please send information. Tks Shawn Rennie

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Carol. I don't know if they will help, but below are 2 sights that between them have the records for umpteen thousands of Peffers. I hope this helps. http://www.peffersfamily.com http://www.angelfire.com/nm/peffers Alba gu bràth! Regards, Jim Walker scotlandforever7@aol.com      http://hometown.aol.com/scotlandforever7/myhomepage/profile.html http://www.electricscotland.com/tourist/tours/tour26.htm Researching: Walker, McCleod, Anderson, Bauer, Barrie, Begbie, Black, Blakie, Blyth, Bolton, Bowers, Brown, Brydon, Clark, Clemente, Cockburn, Crawford, D algleish, Davidson, Daniels, Denham, Denholm, Douglas, Edington, Idington, F oggo, Glasgow, Goodal, Grieve, Guyler, Haworth, Henderson, Hogg, Hope, Hunter, J ohnstone, Kinnaird, Logan, Lorimer, MacCalley, Mackadam, McFadden, McLeish, McMorran, Miller, Olson, Paulos, Peffers, Pendridge, Pennycuik, Pow, Proudfoot, R ichardson, Scott, Sligo, Storie, Sweet, Thompson, Watt, Wright, Yelineck.... Mostly from Scotland, East Lothian / East Linton / Prestonkirk, Tain, areas! Also England, France, California, Wisconson, South Dakota, Menlo Park, San Jose, Campbell

Thanks George, I appreciate your time. I am desperately trying to work out where our MOFFAT's hail from, they don't seem to feature so much in the earlier records, never mind I'll keep trying. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <DGEO4X4@aol.com> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:47 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Moffat / Mucett > Carol > I have revisited the original and have to say that there are no strokes below the line and the spelling I submitted is as written and doing a quick search on the IGI I find several MOWAT and a few MOUET but I cannot think of another phonetic(spelling) link for what I find. > Regards > George > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Share your record transcripts by entering them in the Scotland BDM Exchange today. Go to http://www.sctbdm.com/ to search or submit births, deaths, and marriages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >