Hello Sorry for coming in late to the discussion My Scots Dialect Dictionary gives various definitions of "Gig". Non directly related to Mining but two definitions come close 1) A fan and 2) Anything that spins. Did they use fans to ventilate the Mines? My G.G. grandfather was described on his death certificate as a "colliery banksman" Henmuir Pit Gladsmuir. I got the definition from a member of staff at the Coal Mining Museum in Thornhill near Dewsbury Yorkshire. The job entailed checking that the miners were not taking contraband down the pit on their shift and keeping the tallies. I think there is a dedicated GenUk Mining List that may help you with your job title. Regards and Seasons Greetings George Wallace ( Yorkshire )

Didn't they have to have wheeled transport (sometimes on tracks) inside the mine as well? It must have been an 'occupation' to move the coal from the drilling site to the shaft?? Anybody? Elizabeth Dods ----- Original Message ----- From: <EastLothianGen@aol.com> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Job titles > In a message dated 12/22/03 4:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, > annehamilton@ntlworld.com writes: > Looking it up in the dictionary, it says that a gigman is one who drives or > keeps a gig (which is a 2 wheeled carriage). > Of course, it makes sense to me now! Some of us are too modern for our own > good, perhaps. Guess we should've turned to the dictionary the first time > 'round. I'm assuming that any mining operation worth it's stuff would have some > type of transport, perhaps for the supervisors or bosses or to send messages? > And I'm reminded of a verse from a song in the musical Oklahoma: "When I > take you out, tonight, with me, Honey, here's the way it's goin' to be: You will > set behind a team of snow white horses, In the slickest gig you ever see!" > (From Surrey with the Fringe on Top) > > Let me take this opportunity to wish you all a blessed Christmas season and a > happy New Year! > > Jill Clark > listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 12/22/03 4:29:26 AM Central Standard Time, annehamilton@ntlworld.com writes: Looking it up in the dictionary, it says that a gigman is one who drives or keeps a gig (which is a 2 wheeled carriage). Of course, it makes sense to me now! Some of us are too modern for our own good, perhaps. Guess we should've turned to the dictionary the first time 'round. I'm assuming that any mining operation worth it's stuff would have some type of transport, perhaps for the supervisors or bosses or to send messages? And I'm reminded of a verse from a song in the musical Oklahoma: "When I take you out, tonight, with me, Honey, here's the way it's goin' to be: You will set behind a team of snow white horses, In the slickest gig you ever see!" (From Surrey with the Fringe on Top) Let me take this opportunity to wish you all a blessed Christmas season and a happy New Year! Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1006.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The Andrew Wilson in my family was born, bred and died in SCotland so there appears to be no connection - thank you for your message all the same

Looking it up in the dictionary, it says that a gigman is one who drives or keeps a gig (which is a 2 wheeled carriage). Also came across the following reference to a gigger (but does not seem to have anything to do with mining) Gigger - Operated a gigging machine - a machine for dressing woollen cloth by subjecting it to the action of teasels - see http://rmhh.co.uk/occup/g.html Regards Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger White" <whiter@lineone.net> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Job titles > Hi, > > Has anyone come accross the word "Gigman". This is on the 1841 Census for > Gladsmuir as, Coal Miner Gigman, but I can't find a description for this job > anywhere? > Any suggestions ??????????????? > > Roger. > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Roger, Saw your post. Can't help you with the gigman - may be a man who drove a gig? - horse drawn carriage. Would appreciate a post on your current status with checking. You will see that Dunbar-landward is now being validated, so Gladsmuir is the last of the Mohicans. Regards, Mary Coordinator for East Lothian FreeCensus Project Links to online transcriptions on Web page - www.rootsweb.com/~sctelnfc/east.htm/east.htm

Hi, Has anyone come accross the word "Gigman". This is on the 1841 Census for Gladsmuir as, Coal Miner Gigman, but I can't find a description for this job anywhere? Any suggestions ??????????????? Roger.

What is a gigman? Can any of the Scots or Brits on our list help Roger out? I just did a Google search and also did an old occupation search through some of the links found on Cyndislist.com, and GenUKI, but to no avail. I see there is a Gigman's Bridge, Gigman's Mines, and other placenames but it doesn't give a job description. Any clues? Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WILSON Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1006.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: MY GGFA WAS ANDREW WILSON OF ONONDAGA COUNTY, NEW YORK. HE MARRIED MARY BRADSHAW AND THEY LIVED IN POMPAY, NEW YORK.

Hello Janette The Johnstone connection goes back to 1803 when a Janet Johnston married a James Wight. However my grandmother who was Emily Wight had 2 cousins who used to come and visit her. I remember seeing them in the late 60s. I seem to think they were spinsters, one was called Peggy and the other was Elsie. The only other thing I seem to remember is that they stayed in Marionville Road in Edinburgh but their father's folk were from East Lothian or possibly the Eyemouth area. If you can find a connection I'd be delighted or probably amazed!!! Merry Christmas to you and yours Sheila

Hello Ruth Thanks for your response. My interest in Aitchison is that my gr gr grandmother was called Emily Aitchison Wight. Her mother was called Isabella Patterson who came from Greenlaw and died during or soon after the birth of Emily. I am just trying to find the Aitchison connection. Intresting to note that your Aitchison hailed from Greenlaw as did my Patterson. Sheila

On 19/12/03 00:23, Barbara Mitting wrote: > The B.V.R.I 2nd edition have both sexes. Thank you Barbara for forwarding the Spott BVRI baptisms for the KEMP surname to me off-list. It is curious that the LDS placed only girls (except for a few boys submitted by LDS patrons) into IGI for Spott. Anyway, that BVRI data has in some way helped untangle the many KEMP families in SPOTT - I hope other KEMP descendants will contact me. Regards, Steven Gibbs, Guernsey.

Hi Steven the folks who were doing the transcribing only took the girls names. With the English parish records on the I.G.I you will find the batch numbers starting with either a J or K & they were for male or female baptisms. The B.V.R.I 2nd edition have both sexes.If you need a lookup Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Gibbs" <sgibbs@guernsey.net> To: <SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 6:20 AM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] SPOTT - strange happenings? > > At the IGI search page > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_I GI.asp > if you enter the surname KEMP, the region BRITISH ISLES, and the batch > number C117202, (nothing else needed), you get baptisms of the surname > KEMP (including some of my suspected ancestors) for the Haddingtonshire > parish of SPOTT, 1683 - 1854. > > Every one of the 51 individuals baptised seems to be FEMALE! > > Is there something about the water in Spott? How did the surname > persist in that parish? > > ... the world needs to know. Regards, Steven Gibbs, Guernsey. > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Share your record transcripts by entering them in the Scotland BDM Exchange today. Go to http://www.sctbdm.com/ to search or submit births, deaths, and marriages. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.552 / Virus Database: 344 - Release Date: 15/12/2003

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gordon, Walkingshaw, Naismith Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1187 Message Board Post: I am looking for information on David Gordon m. to Elizabeth Naismith Aug.30,1751 in Ormiston. I believe their first child was Ann b. 1752 in Pencaitland. The rest of their children were b. in Midlothian, Newton and Newbattle. Any info. on this family is greatly appreciated.

At the IGI search page http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp if you enter the surname KEMP, the region BRITISH ISLES, and the batch number C117202, (nothing else needed), you get baptisms of the surname KEMP (including some of my suspected ancestors) for the Haddingtonshire parish of SPOTT, 1683 - 1854. Every one of the 51 individuals baptised seems to be FEMALE! Is there something about the water in Spott? How did the surname persist in that parish? ... the world needs to know. Regards, Steven Gibbs, Guernsey.

Seeking descendants of William KEMP & Grizal (Grizel) COCKBURN who married at Spott on 2 Jul 1736. Their children, baptised at Innerwick: Catharine KEMP bp. 26 Nov 1738; Ann KEMP bp. 22 Jul 1745; Elizabeth KEMP bp. 25 Mar 1751; (data from IGI). I believe that Elizabeth KEMP may be the same individual as the Elspeth KEMP who with Thomas RUNCIMAN (bp. 21 Jan 1750) were my g-g-g-g-grandparents (date of marriage unknown), baptising children at Innerwick: Grizel RUNCIMAN bp. 22 Aug 1779; Ann RUNCIMAN bp. 1 Jun 1783; Alison Runciman bp. 28 Jan 1785; Marion RUNCIMAN b. 1787? (my g-g-g-grandmother); Helen RUNCIMAN b. 6 Jul 1792; William RUNCIMAN bp. 9 May 1798. Thank you, Steven Gibbs, Guernsey.

Hi Walt, The 1841 East Lothian census is now available on the internet for free, courtesy of the FreeCens Project. There are 2 parishes still to go up but they should be there too within a few weeks. Check our page via link below and you will find a link to the main database. Mary Hamilton Coordinator for East Lothian FreeCensus Project Links to online transcriptions on Web page - www.rootsweb.com/~sctelnfc/east.htm/east.htm

Hello, everyone. Is there a census index for East Lothian for 1841 or 1851? I would like to know whether there was anyone with the surname of LAFFERTY in Haddingtonshire at that time. Thanks, Walt in Florida.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/165.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Claude Unfortunately I cannot help you with your enquiry. Sorry.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/165.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dulcie; I'm looking for any information on a Rob Weedon. He was born about 1920 and served in the British military forces in Kashmir, India during WWII. He returned to England at the end of the war. Any information appreciated. Thanks, Claude