I have not been able to go back any further yet with my BURNS or GIBSONS. My third cousin, Doreen, did the research on these lines and this is what we have: Hellen BURNS (parents yet to be determined) b. ca. 1776 (my estimate) m. 20 June 1793 to Peter HERKES (or HARKES), Bolton Parish (Herkes was born/baptized at Gladsmuir) Children include Jean and George d. ? (My own minute research of this family and the time frame pretty much rules out any direct relationship to Robert Burns' father's family.) I have two GIBSON lines; one in Scotland and one in the US (VA to MD to PA in the late 18th and early 19th centuries.) Jean GIBSON, born app. 1710 (my estimate based on her husband's date of birth and their marriage date) married Robert NISBET at North Berwick, 16 Oct. 1731. Their children included Marion, Mary, Janet, Jean, and Catherine. Once again, this information comes from the careful research Doreen did on the family, for which I am thankful. I know that's not much to go on and I'm sorry I don't have parents' names for these two women, but that's all I know right now! Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN

Yes, Elinor is truly a kind and helpful soul. -- Diane Jameson, California > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:39:23 EST > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Finds & connections (aka "bingos!") > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:39:27 -0700 > > In a message dated 2/11/02 5:12:45 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > >> Hi Elinor !! You are a saint !! Yes they are my family and I don't know how >> you found them but you have, and i would appreciate very much to know the >> rest of the information you have !!! You have just removed the dead end I >> was at !! Thank you so much !!! > > I love reading about stuff like this. Congratulations, Deborah! Anyone else > have any recent finds to report? If you've been helped by any info. posted > on this list or another in the past year, feel free to share. It's an > encouragement to the rest of us! > > Jill Clark > listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN > researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, > SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier online at > http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 2/11/02 5:12:45 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Hi Elinor !! You are a saint !! Yes they are my family and I don't know how > you found them but you have, and i would appreciate very much to know the > rest of the information you have !!! You have just removed the dead end I > was at !! Thank you so much !!! I love reading about stuff like this. Congratulations, Deborah! Anyone else have any recent finds to report? If you've been helped by any info. posted on this list or another in the past year, feel free to share. It's an encouragement to the rest of us! Jill Clark listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Deborah: Here is more information that could be your family. Possible Parents for David Gordon B. 1822 Maxwell Gordon Jane McKinlay David Gordon Chr. 27 Oct. 1822 Inveresk with Musselburgh, Edinburgh, ML John Gordon Chr. 13 Feb. 1825 Inveresk with Musselburgh, Edinburgh, ML Jean Gordon Chr. 23 Jan. 1820 Inveresk with Musselburgh, Edinburgh, ML Possible Parents for Isabella Baillie B. 1834 David Baillie married 16 May 1813, Morham EL Jean Hardie Helen Baillie Chr. 18 Aug. 1823 Athelstaneford ML Margaret Baillie chr. 24 Jan. 1819 Aberlady EL Mary Baillie Chr. 27 feb. 1821 Aberlady EL Isabella Baillie Chr. 19 Nov. 1834 Haddington EL Jean Baillie Chr. 6 Jan 1826 Haddington EL Marion Baillie Chr. 6 Sept. 1829 Haddinton EL 1881 Census Dwelling: Beanston Farm Prestonkirk Haddington Marr. Age Sex Birthplace Isabella Gordon W 46 F Prestonpans, Haddington Head Farm Serv. Euphemia Gordon 15 F Tranent Haddington Dau Farm Serv Isabella Gordon 6 F Musselburgh, Edinburgh GrandDaughter Scholar 1881 Census Dwelling: Browns Place Prestonkirk, Haddington Mary Darling U 60 F Gifford, Haddington Head Housekeeper Jane Gordon U 22 F Tranent, Haddington Ser Gen Ser Dom John G. Dickson U 17 M Rosewell, Edinburgh Boarder Pupil Teacher Henry Pottinger M 47 M England Lodger Potatoe Merchant There is a Maxwell Gordon age 24 Born Tranent living with his brother Porteous Gordon but I am unable to tie in Porteous with being a son of David. This is just a basis for you to work on, it all has to be checked out. Best Wishes, Elinor.

Hi Jill, I'm new to this list , but have had some great connections to related family members getting back to 1534 , and successes in finding lifestyle background from those with directories through the Staffs and Warks list. But more importantly, where are your GIBSON s from ? I have a century and a half of them from Duns, Coldingham, Eyemouth and surrounds. With perhaps (not yet proven) some in the Sheriffhall area. regards, Gary in Vancouver -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: February 11, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Finds & connections (aka "bingos!") >In a message dated 2/11/02 5:12:45 PM Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > > >> Hi Elinor !! You are a saint !! Yes they are my family and I don't know how >> you found them but you have, and i would appreciate very much to know the >> rest of the information you have !!! You have just removed the dead end I >> was at !! Thank you so much !!! > >I love reading about stuff like this. Congratulations, Deborah! Anyone else >have any recent finds to report? If you've been helped by any info. posted >on this list or another in the past year, feel free to share. It's an >encouragement to the rest of us! > >Jill Clark >listowner, SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN >researching COWE, BORTHWICK, LAMOND, HARKES, RATTRAY, NISBET, JENKINSON, >SANDERSON, BURNS, GRIEVE, GIBSON, BROWN > > >==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== >This week in East Lothian: you can read the East Lothian Courier online at http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Elinor !! You are a saint !! Yes they are my family and I don't know how you found them but you have, and i would appreciate very much to know the rest of the information you have !!! You have just removed the dead end I was at !! Thank you so much !!! Deborah Cheers!!

I would like to extend my knowledge of the Prestonkirk, Tranent and Haddington areas during this time and was wondering if any lister knows what Newspapers or journals were available at this time Thanks in advance Carol in NZ

Hi list does anyone know this family= Benjamin Gordon born 1764=Salton? Kathleen Finlason born Feb 1760 Salton Son William Gordon born.1787 Salton Alexander Jan born 1789 Salton George born 1787 Salton Heather in Texas

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1065 Message Board Post: Does anyone know of a hotel that Helen and Janet Cameron ran or owned, probably in or around Saltoun, perhaps Pencaitland? My Dad had mentioned that his father's sisters either ran or owned a hotel - time line; 1950's, 1960's??

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.2 Message Board Post: Hi Deborah, again I don't if you saw this in the IGI but a David Gordon married an Isabella Baillie 31 July 1852 in Prestonpans. They had the following children, they might be your family. Isabella Baillie Gordon B. 5 July 1858 Tranent E.L. Maxwell Gordon B. 22 Jan. 1856 Tranent E.L. Jane McInlay Gordon B. 22 Aug. 1860 Tranent E.L Jemima McGregor Gordon B. 5 May 1863 Tranent E.L. Euphemia Gordon B. 5 May 1866 Tranent E.L. Agnes Gordon B. 16 May 1869 Tranent E.L. Grace Gordon B. 26 May 1869 Tranent E.L. I have more information if you think this is your family. Best wishes, Elinor

Hello Diane I have a Helen Grieve as well - born 1756 and married Charles Rattray about 1777 in East Lothian. Any connection? Doreen. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: Gordon's born in Tranent m. Helen Grieve > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Allan, Hair, Grieve, Laing, Cramb > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Deborah, > I am very interested in Gordon's spouse Helen Grieve. I have several ancestors with the given name "Helen Grieve" of Gladsmuir, East Lothian. Can you tell me her age at the time of the 1891 Census? Any other information, like the names / dates of their children? > Thank you in advance, > Diane > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Allan, Hair, Cuningham, Grieve Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Deborah, A couple of questions: What was the name of the family for which Helen Grieve worked in 1873? You mentioned children born before and after "the census". Which census, 1891? The last child, James Allan Gordon: Do you see any James Allan to link to Helen Grieve's family? I have several James Allan including my gggrandfather. Diane [email protected]

Hi Heather: I can't see any connection at the moment. Thanks anyway, Elinor heathergw wrote: > Hi I have Gordons in -Salton-Gifford-Prestonkirk- at one time they stayed at a place named Browns place..... > A lot of Williams and Benjamins in the family . Does this match in with your Gordons . I have a > John Gordon born in Prestonkirk 1855 .Heather in Texas > > [email protected] wrote: > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Surnames: GORDON / GRIEVE / KERR > > Classification: Query > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1 > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Hi Deborah: > > > > I have Gordons in Tranent, can you give me details of your John Gordon with a date. > > > > Elinor. > > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > Look for Haddingtonshire villages and parishes in the Statistical Accounts of Scotland online: http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Doreen, Welcome to the world of "Helen Grieve" collectors. I imagine they are all connected to the mother of all Helen Grieves -- but where? Please tell me more about you Helen Grieve. I've not heard the name Rattray before. Does it have a more modern version? My Helen: Name: Helen GRIEVE ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Birth: abt 1804 Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scotland (?) Death: 27 Jun 1874 (D) Parish Of Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Father: John GRIEVE (1776-1833) Mother: Beatrice CRAMB (CRAM OR CRAMM) (1780-<1874) ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Spouse: Robert HAIR ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Birth: 1 Mar 1806 Pencaitland, Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scotland Death: aft 30 Jun 1874 Parish Of Dalkeith, Edinburgh, Scotland Occupation: 1825 Farm Servant, 1874 Contractor Father: William HAIR (1760-<1813) Mother: Margaret COCKBURN Marriage: 27 Aug 1825 (Banns) Gladsmuir, East Lothian, Scotland ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ 10 Children born 1826-1846 Another Helen Grieve Name: John GORDON ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Occupation: 1874 To 1883 Was A Tailor & Clothier Employing 4 Men Marriage: 6 Jun 1873 East Lothian, Scotland ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Spouse: Helen GRIEVE ‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹ Father: William GRIEVE Mother: Isabella WHITE -- Diane Jameson, California > Subject: Re: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: Gordon's born in Tranent m. Helen Grieve Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:45:54 -0700 > > Hello Diane > > I have a Helen Grieve as well - born 1756 and married Charles Rattray about > 1777 in East Lothian. Any connection? > > Doreen. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:33 PM > Subject: [SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN] Re: Gordon's born in Tranent m. Helen Grieve > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Surnames: Allan, Hair, Grieve, Laing, Cramb >> Classification: Query >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1.1.1 >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hello Deborah, >> I am very interested in Gordon's spouse Helen Grieve. I have several > ancestors with the given name "Helen Grieve" of Gladsmuir, East Lothian. > Can you tell me her age at the time of the 1891 Census? Any other > information, like the names / dates of their children? >> Thank you in advance, >> Diane >> >> >> ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== >> Here is a partial list of the parishes of Haddingtonshire: Aberlady, > Athelstaneford, Bara, Bolton, Dirleton, Dunbar, Garvald, Gifford, Gladsmuir, > Haddington, Humbie, Innerwick, Morham, North Berwick >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > ==== SCT-EAST-LOTHIAN Mailing List ==== > The Rootsweb/Ancestry.com message boards for East Lothian are gatewayed to > this list. When you read a post here you may wish to respond on the boards in > the event the author of the post is not subscribed. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1011.1.1 Message Board Post: Debby, I have the same line, I think. I went from my Grandmother up and found the Margaret Hoge you mentioned. From there it is the same. Would like to get comfirmation. Margaret married a Dr. Robert White. Contact me at [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1011.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Tammy, My Damrons came from Shelbyville, TN. Before thet Halifax County, NC. I have spent a lot of time on that line lately. Contact me @ [email protected] Don

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Deborah: As far as I can tell, there is no connection with my Gordon family. I do have Grieves also but still cannot make a connection. Mine is David Gordon B. 1841, father John Gordon B. abt. 1811 and mother Helen Kerr B. 1815. All came from Tranent, Newbattle, Cranston area. David married Catherine Grieve in 1866 in Tranent. Her parents are: Andrew Grieve and Elizabeth Innes. Best Wishes, Elinor.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1011.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Yes, I can e-mail the information that I have so that we can compare. There are a couple of places that I have gotten the information and most of them do not match each other. I have lately been working on the Damrons from KY / VA as I said. Don't know if they tie to TX yet. My Denton relatives do and they tie me to the Hoggs / Hoge line. Tammy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XeC.2ACI/1011.2.1 Message Board Post: Very interesting. My Grandmother, Martha Johnson Long married Moody Damron in Paris, TX. Is it possible we tie together somewhere? I will study your message and get back to you. My stuff came off the web also. Can you contact me directly?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/XeC.2ACI/1064.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Diane, Helen Grieve my ggrandmother was born the 22nd of july 1854 in East Lothian, Scotland. Her occupation in 1873 was a Domestic Servant. The children during the census were David, William, John, Isabella White, Alexander, George, After that there came along Helen, Maxwell and James Allan. Please let me know if there is anything. I would appreciate it very much !! Deborah